FR+  handsome wing and makeouts

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Weird night.

Went out with my friend who is a very handsome guy. In fact, i'm not sure i've ever seen anything like it, in terms of how girls are around him etc. It's as if he has a certain 'look' that girls go absolutely nuts for. He's always been 'the handsome one', but man.

So in the first bar and we are dancing. There's a hot 2 set dancing near us. My friend comments to me that the hotter one looks 'posh'. I decide to use that as my opener whilst we're dancing and tap her to engage her, and tell her that my friend thinks she looks posh, but she just looks at me like i'm on fire and turns her back to me lol.

We carry on dancing and at this point it was getting a bit silly because a number of girls were trying hard to pull my wing. Coming up to him and rubbing his chest. One girl grabbed his face and kept telling him how handsome he is. He was literally fighting these girls off (he had very little intention of pulling unless she was like a legit 10 and he had no risk of his GF finding out).

At this point I was gonna try to film it on my phone because i'm not sure people would believe me otherwise lol! It really was like a 'lynx' deodorent advert or something with the way they were all chasing him. Won't lie - my state dropped massively at this point and I stopped approaching as I just didn't see the point

There was a VERY hot 3 set standing at a table near the dancefloor and the idea of opening them seemed pointless in that moment and I wussed out

Another girl (who was with her BF) noticed all the girls trying to pull him and she found it funny. She asked him who he thought the hottest girl was in here and he point at the posh girl from earlier. Then this girl literally SHOVED the posh girl onto him lol. She was kind of angling for teh kiss after a min or 2 but he didn't go for it, and a few seconds after it just fizzled out and she moved away

We decided to leave the bar and go too a different one.

In this bar, all the girls are looking at him and I feel it, but out of nowhere a fairly hot girl opens me about my dance moves, kind of mimicking me. I say some self amusement shit and she laughs. She then tells me she needs to go outside to see her friends and tells me she'll be back. Gave me a much needed boost after what i'd witnessed prior with the handsome wing!

She comes back with a friend. She asks my wing if he'll kiss her friend. (we find this funny because it shows the age gap between us! That's how 15 year olds act at school discos ''Will you kiss my friend!!??'' lol). My friend refuses and this messes up things with my girl. I try to hook her with a cold read and stuff but she's dragged into a different group

We go too a different bar. As i'm walking in I spot a girl I know and dance with her. Then as I walk to the bar and fairly hot girl grabs me arm. This literallly NEVER happens to me. Maybe twice in 10 years of going out (girl opening me). She leads me to the dancefloor. We start to dance but I feel a bit lost about what to say! I'm not used to this. Dancing and Not talking at all seems weird. But doing cold reads and negs and disqualifying myself and stuff also seems weird and justn incongruent to the energy and the situation?! - So I just asked her name and stuff and after a few seconds we kissed. Soon after though, she was dragged away. I think maybe I went for the kiss too quickly and not enough tension was built? I tried to befriend her friends but it's hard, man! They just wanted to get their friend group together and go and cause more carnage elsewhere lol (very young, loud group of girls with a few male orbiters)

My wing is being ogled and flirted with by some girl who tried to bang him a few weeks back. (I girl I opened that night a few weeks back in fact but she wasn't into me and wanted my wing when she noticed him playing pool or something)

I then made an open on a girl with a comment about her glasses and tried to make it funny, but she had typical AWFUL body language like she really didn't want me speaking to her. I tried to plow for a few seconds but she was giving me nothing and I ejected.

My wing is fighting off a different girl who opened him and he decides to call it a night and gets a cab.

I open a different girl, but she was kind of loitering near me. I asked her if we knew each other as an opener as she looked kind of famililar, and it turns out we kissed like 10 years ago lol. So this set goes from open to hooked/flirty etc very quickly. She's filling in all of the silences and asking me things and asking me if the girl I danced with earlier was my GF. I'm just being silly with my answers etc and she chases more. Eventually we kiss. We go outside the bar and I rub her pussy with the possible idea of banging her in the alleyway closeby, but each time she kinda stops herself. Her friend is also in the bar and she's staying with her tonight. I can't remember how it ended at that point, but it did. To be honest, I also wasn't that bothered. She had a pretty face, but i'm really after trying to bang girls who are 'out of my league' nowdays (unless i'm feeling super horny to the point where pussy is pussy. I'm not really interested in getting some super high slay count, though. It doesn't impress me anymore tbh)

Yeah, that's about it. Interesting night. Went from feeling full of jealousy and rage to getting some extremely rare opens from girls and a few makeouts. I'll be honest, though. I feel lucky in that, without them girls giving me the confidence boost, i'd be feeling suicidal about the nights events!! haha
 
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ps - I know I haven't offered much in the way of potential for input in this particular FR as there's not much you can help with in terms of approach anxiety when my wing is getting hit on all night lol. That's just personal mental issue, I guess. Basically jealousy and letting my confidence get ruined when I see what I saw lol

In terms of game, there's not much to say (With 'glasses girl' I think there's nothing I could have done and I just wasn't her type or whatever. No big deal)

But with the first girl I kissed, I know improvements could obviously have been made. I was just a bit in my head sort of thinking ''Exactly what sort of things am I supposed to be saying here!? Other guys are saying things to the girls they're dancing with so I don't want to just dance and not talk. But I feel like getting too 'deep' and making cold reads and assumptions might look a big weird! And game techniques like disqualifying myself and negging - would that be 'wrong' since we're already dancing and she opened ME!!?'' lol
 
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@greenleaf

There is no need to befriend her friends, when the girl (especially if she's the hottest one of the group) tells the rest of them to fuck off/or that she's fine with you. and to do this, you'll need to get her investing in you (imagine if you didn't kiss her when she wanted the kiss ;) ) - (explaining/defending herself, telling you a story). Knowing this, is it possible to do this on the dance floor where its loud and chaotic? maybe, but a better way, is to actually get her off the dance floor and lead her to a quieter area. And in order to do THAT, you'll have to bait her to get her off the dance floor. something like "hold on do you have blue eyes. No you don't I don't believe you. Come here I want to see you under this lighting" Oh you do have blue eyes. That's good because you know what they say about blue eyed girls? - what? come here its too loud in here, I'll tell you - quiet area.
 

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you'll need to get her investing in you (imagine if you didn't kiss her when she wanted the kiss ;)
True. Kissing too fast seems to have bit me on the nose a few times recently. Most notably in an FR I think I told you about quite recently where I opened a very very young (17), hot girl who I assumed would straight off reject me hard. I opened her very direct and done something I've seen Julien do before where you tell her she's hot and act sort of 'overcome' by her beauty. She loved it and within like 20 seconds she was dancing in my arms close to me. 10 seconds later we were kissing. And 30 seconds later she literally ran away and started kissing someone else!! haha. She was so so hot and my type. Would have been one of my best ever lays (not that it would ever have likely gone that far, but still! Sucked that it ended so fast, and probably kissing her fast was a part of the reason)

And in order to do THAT, you'll have to bait her to get her off the dance floor

Yeah, it was a bit of a weird one. She opened me and then basically lead me to the dancefloor lol. So I didn't want to risk blowing git by then trying to move her somewhere quite when she wanted to dance and have fun. Then, as I said, I wasn't really sure what sort of 'game' to run. What sort of things to say. Just dancing in silence seems weird and other guys seemed to be dancing and talking at the same time. I felt that anything 'gamey' (such as cold reading her about her job or disqualifying her and telling she's not my type or whatever) would seem extra incongruent to the moment. So in the end I just asked some basic questions, played with her answers, and then we just kissed soon after.

Thanks for the tips/lines, though. Might come in useful another time when trying to move a girl off the dancefloor

Was just a strange night as I've not been approach/opened by a girl more than 3 times in like 10 years of going out, so having it happen twice was nuts. Shame my state was kind of wrecked though after watching my friend get treated like Leo DiCaprio in every bar!! haha. I kind of wish i'd filmed it on my phone as i'm not sure anyone actually realises how crazy it was! He's a good looking dude, but I have other handsome friends who don't quite get the attention this dude does in terms of girls opening him with super direct compliments etc and literally throwing sex at him without him speaking!

Cheers - more FR's to come!

Been trying to find a UK specific game forum but there's not much out there, nowadays! Found one, but most posts are from a while back. Trying to find a consensus on game style etc for UK girls as despite all of my knowledge/tech, it's like pulling teeth to even get to the hookpoint for me and is rare.
When I watch US infields or even US 'pranks' in YT where people approach college girls, it's like looking at an alien race in terms of how sociable and friendly/talkative they all are!!
I might experiment with dropping most 'game' for a while (for the early part of the interaction) just to test it out. One 'expert' on that forum said how he keeps it super simple and 'boring' (hey, hows your night? what's your name? how old are you? What do you do?? bla bla bla) and that most game techniques don't fly here until after 'comfort' is well and truly built. I dunno. He could be wrong, or maybe he's just a handsome dude!! fuk knows. Worth an experiment, though
 
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I have totally felt this before like 100 percent. I have a buddy and he’s really good looking. His fashion is very similar to mine (it’s great). But he is clueless sometimes. Girls will literally pull him and stare at him to talk to! Like stare at him dangerously they act so differently. I get kinda jealous cuz I’m like man he’s killing it with 0 effort.
Once we were waiting for a lyft and a girl approached him and within that waiting time she asked him to come over and hang out that night. He didn’t go and I yelled at him for not going!
This other time his roommates gf was arguing with his roommate and then went into his room and fucked him like these are all things I’m like damn I want this to happen to me! I’m trying to find a way to utilize him because the girl I end up talking to always ends up being more interested in him. Trying to find a solution at the moment.
 

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True. Kissing too fast seems to have bit me on the nose a few times recently. Most notably in an FR I think I told you about quite recently where I opened a very very young (17), hot girl who I assumed would straight off reject me hard. I opened her very direct and done something I've seen Julien do before where you tell her she's hot and act sort of 'overcome' by her beauty. She loved it and within like 20 seconds she was dancing in my arms close to me. 10 seconds later we were kissing. And 30 seconds later she literally ran away and started kissing someone else!! haha. She was so so hot and my type. Would have been one of my best ever lays (not that it would ever have likely gone that far, but still! Sucked that it ended so fast, and probably kissing her fast was a part of the reason)

these should be excellent reference experiences. You've not only got reference experience that hot girls that are your type are interested in you. but also that kissing them fast isn't the best move % wise if you plan on pulling her (cut out this negative "Would have been one of my best ever lays (not that it would ever have likely gone that far, but still!" talk bro. Your just killing yourself with this shit)

For me, the only ones that are super impressed by fast makeouts (and will even give you props for doing so) are newbies. I still do them to this day. They're cool. But I know that by doing so, my chances of pulling this particular girl is now very unlikely. And because I know that, I don't beat myself about not pulling her. And that allows me to enjoy them when they happen. It's a good confidence/state booster for sure. But an even bigger boost in your confidence is knowing that you have the game to actually close these girls that are into you so quickly.

She opened me and then basically lead me to the dancefloor lol

yeah for sure. I didn't mean pull her off the dancefloor into isolation immediately. You can dance with her for a bit. Let her grind on you. But just know, that if you want to get this girl, you're gonna have to move her off soon. Don't stay there, give her the kiss and let it stall out...and then "let" her friends pull her away from you.

having it happen twice was nuts. Shame my state was kind of wrecked though after watching my friend get treated like Leo DiCaprio in every bar!!

why does it affect your state tho? Can't you just accept it, that good looking guys get treated like god at bars? That's just the way it is. I think you've hung out with your wing long enough, to know this. So why beat yourself about it? life isn't fair. Focus on what you can control.

I might experiment with dropping most 'game' for a while (for the early part of the interaction) just to test it out.

yeah give it a try. good luck :)
 

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these should be excellent reference experiences. You've not only got reference experience that hot girls that are your type are interested in you
Yeah, it's a head fuk. I wish I was able to burn them memories into my brain, but I tend to just be too emotional when it comes to harsh rejections. LIke, about 2 years back I approached and banged the hottest girl I've ever slept with. And she made it super easy for me! This should have given me confidence, but all it took was a couple of harsh insta rejections from average girls after that, and my state crumbled and I basically forgot about that lay and what was possible!

the only ones that are super impressed by fast makeouts (and will even give you props for doing so) are newbies
Yeah, true. My friends think i'm a stud if they see me making out but because most of them have never done cold approach, they always assume it means a guaranteed lay lol, and so I guess it impresses them. But yeah, I deffo need to work on playing the game to win more, rather than always going for the validation rush!

Don't stay there, give her the kiss and let it stall out.

Yeah, that's basically what happened! lol - But the frustrating thing is that even sitting here now, I can't 'visualise' a good interaction in that situation. Even now if I put myself back in that exact situation on the dancefloor i'm not sure 'what to say' if that makes sense! I'm not sure if it's because i'm so 'in my head' (probably trying to think of infields of similar situations and what Julien or max or whatever was talking about with their girl), or anxiety or whether i'm retarded or what!! lol. A lot of the time i'm thinking about game theory and techniques, whilst also beaing weary of boring her with small talk etc, and also being weary of the fact (in that instance) that we were on a busy dancefloor and that I might need to adapt my verbals, and I kind of come up blank!


why does it affect your state tho? Can't you just accept it, that good looking guys get treated like god at bars? That's just the way it is. I think you've hung out with your wing long enough, to know this. So why beat yourself about it? life isn't fair. Focus on what you can control.

Dunno, man. I know I shouldn't let it bother me, but I guess it's deeper than that. I also only get to see him fairly infrequently nowadays, so each time it's kind of a shock where I remember how ridiculous it is to be him. But yeah, I know logically it's not in my control and I shouldn't worry about it. Don't know why it's that and not other things, tbh! Like, I don't sit here feeling jealous and thinking about how some guys make 500k per week or whatever! I don't really care. I don't think about it.


yeah give it a try. good luck :)

Thanks :) - Could be a total wash out and i'll literally be staring at them after the open like an autist coming up blank, but it's just an experiment (kind of linked to what I mentioned earlier about being very in my head).

I also spoke too a guy a while ago on a different site. He uploaded some private audio infields on youtube in fact, and he's ALSO in the UK. (I love talking game with fellow Brits)

He said how he felt like every time he done anything 'gamey' near the open (a cold read, a neg, a dhv story, a ToddV line about her expressions or 'you and me wouldn't get along, you're trouble' etc etc) he felt like it done more harm than good, and that's often (not always) how I feel!

It could be complete bollox, but I sometimes wonder if the 'goal' with these UK girls is to basically come across as normal/non weird as possible. At least initially. And maybe things like negging and going into a DHV story with a complete stranger before 'rapport' or making cold reads etc might actually just be making me look a little bit unusual. These girls are already weirded out by being approached (just doesn't happen much here) so the experiment is just to play/test the theory a little. A bit like how, if you watch the London day gamers, the foreign girls love it, but when they find a UK girl and run their 'stack' and do their cold reads, the reaction is usually one of confusion







I have totally felt this before like 100 percent. I have a buddy and he’s really good looking. His fashion is very similar to mine (it’s great). But he is clueless sometimes. Girls will literally pull him and stare at him to talk to! Like stare at him dangerously they act so differently. I get kinda jealous cuz I’m like man he’s killing it with 0 effort.
Once we were waiting for a lyft and a girl approached him and within that waiting time she asked him to come over and hang out that night. He didn’t go and I yelled at him for not going!
This other time his roommates gf was arguing with his roommate and then went into his room and fucked him like these are all things I’m like damn I want this to happen to me! I’m trying to find a way to utilize him because the girl I end up talking to always ends up being more interested in him. Trying to find a solution at the moment.

Dude, you wouldn't believe some of the stories I have!! haha. I'm not even gonna go into them because i'm trying to forget this shit so i'm in a good headspace for gaming tomorrow night!

I think the trick as you say is to find a way to utilize him. Certainly don't try to compete with someone who has as much attraction as he has!

But this dude did get me laid a few times in the past when I was young (when he was single he'd pick up multiple girls at 2am at kicking out time. Well, they'd open him and then he'd ask them back. They'd all wanna bang him but back at his house he'd pick the one (or 2) that he wanted and take them to his room, leaving one spare, and often, since she was already there, maybe feeling shunned and probably horny, she'd basically just let me bang her lol)
 
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Yeah, it's a head fuk. I wish I was able to burn them memories into my brain, but I tend to just be too emotional when it comes to harsh rejections. LIke, about 2 years back I approached and banged the hottest girl I've ever slept with. And she made it super easy for me! This should have given me confidence, but all it took was a couple of harsh insta rejections from average girls after that, and my state crumbled and I basically forgot about that lay and what was possible!


Yeah, true. My friends think i'm a stud if they see me making out but because most of them have never done cold approach, they always assume it means a guaranteed lay lol, and so I guess it impresses them. But yeah, I deffo need to work on playing the game to win more, rather than always going for the validation rush!



Yeah, that's basically what happened! lol - But the frustrating thing is that even sitting here now, I can't 'visualise' a good interaction in that situation. Even now if I put myself back in that exact situation on the dancefloor i'm not sure 'what to say' if that makes sense! I'm not sure if it's because i'm so 'in my head' (probably trying to think of infields of similar situations and what Julien or max or whatever was talking about with their girl), or anxiety or whether i'm retarded or what!! lol. A lot of the time i'm thinking about game theory and techniques, whilst also beaing weary of boring her with small talk etc, and also being weary of the fact (in that instance) that we were on a busy dancefloor and that I might need to adapt my verbals, and I kind of come up blank!




Dunno, man. I know I shouldn't let it bother me, but I guess it's deeper than that. I also only get to see him fairly infrequently nowadays, so each time it's kind of a shock where I remember how ridiculous it is to be him. But yeah, I know logically it's not in my control and I shouldn't worry about it. Don't know why it's that and not other things, tbh! Like, I don't sit here feeling jealous and thinking about how some guys make 500k per week or whatever! I don't really care. I don't think about it.




Thanks :) - Could be a total wash out and i'll literally be staring at them after the open like an autist coming up blank, but it's just an experiment (kind of linked to what I mentioned earlier about being very in my head).

I also spoke too a guy a while ago on a different site. He uploaded some private audio infields on youtube in fact, and he's ALSO in the UK. (I love talking game with fellow Brits)

He said how he felt like every time he done anything 'gamey' near the open (a cold read, a neg, a dhv story, a ToddV line about her expressions or 'you and me wouldn't get along, you're trouble' etc etc) he felt like it done more harm than good, and that's often (not always) how I feel!

It could be complete bollox, but I sometimes wonder if the 'goal' with these UK girls is to basically come across as normal/non weird as possible. At least initially. And maybe things like negging and going into a DHV story with a complete stranger before 'rapport' or making cold reads etc might actually just be making me look a little bit unusual. These girls are already weirded out by being approached (just doesn't happen much here) so the experiment is just to play/test the theory a little. A bit like how, if you watch the London day gamers, the foreign girls love it, but when they find a UK girl and run their 'stack' and do their cold reads, the reaction is usually one of confusion









Dude, you wouldn't believe some of the stories I have!! haha. I'm not even gonna go into them because i'm trying to forget this shit so i'm in a good headspace for gaming tomorrow night!

I think the trick as you say is to find a way to utilize him. Certainly don't try to compete with someone who has as much attraction as he has!

But this dude did get me laid a few times in the past when I was young (when he was single he'd pick up multiple girls at 2am at kicking out time. Well, they'd open him and then he'd ask them back. They'd all wanna bang him but back at his house he'd pick the one (or 2) that he wanted and take them to his room, leaving one spare, and often, since she was already there, maybe feeling shunned and probably horny, she'd basically just let me bang her lol)
That’s so interesting. I read somewhere on this site too that having attractive friends really gives you a boost too. Like for example one night I was out with 2 gorgeous girls (they’re friends but I would totally smash) I was talking to a girl. And then one of my friends just whispers in my ear like they’re going to the bathroom and I turn and whisper in her ear okay cool I’ll be here and then she said what and then I repeated and it was about a 30 second brb convo. Anyways turn back to the girl I’m talking to and she gets super jealous because I was “talking to” that girl instead. but she was more vested.
 

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unforunately last night was a complete waste. 100% my own fault. Why? Because I experimented with a certain substance to see if it would improve my game and I ended up being a dribbling mess, hysterically laughing at everything, completely not in the frame of mind to hit on girls. Lesson learnt!

Also angry that, before I took it, there was a BEAUTIFUL girl (part of a 2 set) sitting down at a table in the 1st bar we went too, and I just didn't have the balls to open. I even thought she might have given me a small IOI! AA has come back more recently. I kept thinking about the last 2-set I opened which was just awkward as neither girl wanted to talk at all and I plowed and plowed and it ended up being a super cringey set a bit like that 'viral' ToddValentine clip with the girls on the bench! Kind of scared me off of 2-sets, now! Need to get back on the horse and approach way way more in general (partly why I took that drug - hoping it would obliterate my AA. Didn't work! haha)
 

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Managed to get back on the horse in terms of making approaches and beating AA last night.
Made a few opens. No joy, though

One open was on a 2-set who just literally didn't speak back and kept looking at each other like I was talking Chinese lol. Effected my state a fair bit! nothing ''works' on lots of girls here. Some girls seem to make up their mind before you even say 'hi' and simply don't want to talk to randoms

The best set was on a very very hot blonde girl. Well, it wasn't a great set, but it wasn't an instant rejection. We spoke and bantered for a bit. she was so hot and kind of 'receptive', tbh. I threw in some DHV story based on a recent trip abroad and also showed a little intent by comparing her too a 'hot' girl I met whilst travelling and done some cold reads and basically done all I know about 'game' really, but it just wasn't happening. One nagging part of me though is wondering whether she was a possibility as often girls who have just broken up are looking to get laid, although she was obviously still way into him. Plus the fact he was apparently so tall (6'6") and handsome made me assume I would very likely not be her type. I think I stupidly ended the set on a high point with the idea to re-open her later (as RSD spoke about) but later on she appeared to be crying/sleeping on a table with a hot friend of hers lol. Mistake, tbh. I should have tried to move her to the dancefloor or something, maybe. Annoyed at myself as she was fairly receptive as I say, but I



Another set was on a 4-set in the beer garden. Think I opened her with an observation about her clothes and she spoke back, but I was super stifled in that set from memory. Literally couldn't think of things to say shortly after the open! Mind went blank. Maybe because it was a 4-set, plus I had a few friends just basically watching me! Felt pressurised - Put me very in my head and it fizzled out fast.

Another set on another really hot blonde girl. She was barely 18 but seemed confident for her age and didn't dismiss me at the open and was kind of polite, but it felt very one sided. She laughed a few times and answered my questions and reacted to my cold reads etc, but it kept stalling as she wasn't really properly engaged. One of those sets i'd like to have had someone in my ear through an earpiece feeding me lines to see if I could have ever taken that set anywhere!

There were a few other sets, too.

Good to get back on the horse, but fairly frustrating night.
 

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I'm supposed to be going out with the handsome dude tonight. I've also not done much game in 2 weeks so feeling doubly nervous lol. Expect a FR tomorrow. Hopefully it won't be too depressing! :)
 

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Hmmm.....lame night, Only one proper set (hot 2 set) that I opened and they invited me and my friend along with them to the next bar, but despite my game and stuff, they were both trying to bang my handsome friend who didn't really do anything lol. Busy as fuck though despite the corona stuff!
 
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