Should you go out everyday?

I’m wondering if that’s the best solution to have me feel better about learning game. I only go out to game like 1-2 days a week. Other than that I do what I gotta do and go home.

I’m not even talking about going out in night life, I mean being an explorer and going to different places everyday of the week to talk to women and get myself out of the house more.

Like different malls, grocery stores, etc.

Is that something I should be doing everyday?

I have no time for everyday

I think its optional

Sub-Zero said:

Is that something I should be doing everyday?

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If you wanna get good and see result fast. Then the answer is yes.

I've seen alot of your comments on the GS articles. The GS authors always take time and give a thorough reply back to you. I always wonder if you tried applied some of their suggestings?

Your problem is that you're asking to many questions and not taking enough actions.

And don't give me the excuse that you're to old or something. For example Tony on this board is in his 40s and he still approaches during daytime and gets girls consistently.

MrRapo said:

If you wanna get good and see result fast. Then the answer is yes.

I've seen alot of your comments on the GS articles. The GS authors always take time and give a thorough reply back to you. I always wonder if you tried applied some of their suggestings?

Your problem is that you're asking to many questions and not taking enough actions.

And don't give me the excuse that you're to old or something. For example Tony on this board is in his 40s and he still approaches during daytime and gets girls consistently.

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Yeah I do, I said that I go out 1-2 times a week to game and that’s because I can’t spend all of my money right now at clubs.

I’m asking is it a good use of time to try to find new places every single day.

Mods delete this thread please.

@others - Sub knows his weaknesses and I think he's in the process of trying to correct this.

I don't think any need to delete the thread

Sub-Zero said:

I’m not even talking about going out in night life, I mean being an explorer and going to different places everyday of the week to talk to women and get myself out of the house more.

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Yes! Absolutely a great idea. For daygame particularly if you can just take 10 minutes to meet one girl every day that can be better than going out one day to meet 10 girls because your building the habit that will become your identity.

So absolutely recommend going out every day I think that'd be good for you.

Report back how it goes.

You should aim for 2-3 nights a week otherwise your progress will be painfully slow. I experienced the 1-2 nights a week thing and I wasted a lot of time (2 whole years!!) Your mind needs to experience over and over again how things go down in the club, the patience you need, the great highs and lows, etc. Money shouldn’t be an issue if you drive yourself, get in before the cover and avoid buying drinks

Going out over 3 nights a week can start to cut into your sleep and health, and thus your game, so try it a couple times and record how you feel, but tread with caution.

With day2s, commute, work, girlfriend(s), gym, and past times, even 3X a week can be difficult to maintain.

Lastly, IME day gaming takes up a shit ton of time just like night game. You wander around trying to find that one babe worth fucking. Even though it’s not a late night endeavor it can still cause poor sleep and burnout since your sacrificing other things you could be doing after work just for 1-3 approaches. But this all depends on where you live and what your preferences are I guess.

Thrice a week, 10sets per day- this would be enough to internalize and experience mindset shifts.

Mr.Rob said:

@others - Sub knows his weaknesses and I think he's in the process of trying to correct this.

I don't think any need to delete the thread



Yes! Absolutely a great idea. For daygame particularly if you can just take 10 minutes to meet one girl every day that can be better than going out one day to meet 10 girls because your building the habit that will become your identity.

So absolutely recommend going out every day I think that'd be good for you.

Report back how it goes.

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Yeah it’s like when I make a thread or ask a question someone always has some smart shit to say.

And judging by his post being the only one liked, others feel the same. That’s why I said just delete the thread because everyone wants to piggyback off what the fuck he said about me.

But I guess that’s how it comes off I guess because I talk about the problems I have and don’t talk about the time I waste going out and not fuckin a chick.

Chase thought I didn’t go out and did anything either. I don’t say I do because what does that help? I go out and I get a number, make out, etc.

What I’m about to say isn’t directed towards you, but the shit talkers I see say something from time to time.

Me making a journal of all my interactions with girls doesn’t do anything for me, so I ask questions that come in my head about something and yes, sometimes I do ask the same questions.

Shit I done made a few threads last year with girls playing games on dating apps. I know dating apps doesn’t count to many because of not approaching, but it’s still dealing with chicks and I’ve talked about that on here.

That’s not taking action?? I went out for years consistently clubbin and either getting lucky sometimes or just wasting my time. That’s not taking action?? I only go out solo now and still waste time doing so. That’s not taking action??

All the fuckin nights and money I wasted needs to be mentioned all the time for me to ask questions?

I have to literally write this? I’ve said I get girls and I get them attracted, but if they aren’t making it easy it usually doesn’t happen. To me I’m kind of seducing, but the girl is making it easy and most aren’t.

I’m not gonna make a journal for every outing I go on, I don’t get anything out of saying I approached a girl or I went out and nothing happened with girls.

I’m not gonna write a journal about how shitty my night was.

But I got you Rob, I’ll keep you posted homie.

Appreciate you.

@Sub-Zero

I believe the reason people are giving you shit sometimes is because you seem to have been spinning your wheels and making zero/minimal progress based on the amount of questions you ask, and yeah bro they are kinda repetitive haha.

I was recently scrolling through some of the comments on Chases's articles form the past few years, because I was looking for a specific comment personally and I noticed that the types of questions you ask about now, you were asking about already 3-4 years ago. And I wasn't even trying to pay attention to your comments/questions they just naturally popped out, which means it sticks out enough that many people are taking notice.

Some topics that pop out to me that you have kept fixating on:

• Should I focus on making money or getting good with girls?
• Can an older guy have success with cold approach/dating on campus?
• Is it creepy for older guys to go around and chat up random women? Will girls think I am creepy or notice that I am older if I talk to them?
• Can I get girls if I still live with my parents?
• I went out to the bar/club and got a girl's number and they keep flaking, why?
• Can cold approach or direct approaching be done on a college campus?
• Can you make a lot of money without working in a job/career that involves a lot of heavy math?

If you go back to some of Chases's older articles from 2015/2016 you will see the same types of questions back then that you have asked recently within the past few months. So, it's often enough that people are taking notice and you're sticking out like a sore thumb.

Now I don't want you to feel bad or that I'm trying to pick on YOU, I realize this sounds harsh bro, but this something that is very noticeable.

As for this comment:

Sub-Zero said:

Me making a journal of all my interactions with girls doesn’t do anything for me, so I ask questions that come in my head about something and yes, sometimes I do ask the same questions.

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Why do you think writing field reports or in a journal is counterproductive? If anything, I think this could be a major source of your problems right here. I truly think that a journal is the best thing you could do because you will be able to see your thoughts organized all in one place. I really think that's your biggest issue, bud.

You seem scatter-brained sometimes and it's very hard to follow along with your thoughts and what you're trying to accomplish with your goals stuff.

I believe that is why people have the impression that you're not taking any action and are unaware of some actions you have taken like going out to the clubs and messing around with dating apps.

If someone keeps asking the same few things over and over again, then a person naturally assumes you must not be taking action otherwise why would you still be asking these questions a few years later?

If you're be hung up on the same few topics and sticking point then it looks like you're not doing anything with the feedback and answers you have been getting. That's why some folks are probably assuming this about you.

Again man, I don't want you to get all upset and feel like I'm trying to make you feel bad or picking on you. I've commented on some of your threads before and like Mr. Rob, I'm rooting for you and hope this all works out for you.

MrRapo,

MrRapo said:

I've seen alot of your comments on the GS articles. The GS authors always take time and give a thorough reply back to you. I always wonder if you tried applied some of their suggestings?

Your problem is that you're asking to many questions and not taking enough actions.

And don't give me the excuse that you're to old or something. For example Tony on this board is in his 40s and he still approaches during daytime and gets girls consistently.

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This is not a helpful way to go about helping someone or giving them any sort of practical advice. All it looks like here is you having a laugh at someone else's expense and using their problems and challenges to stroke your ego.

You making an observation about Sub's posting of the same questions over and over is one thing, but the "don't give me an excuse blah blah blah" is very condescending and rude. I would recommend you either learn how to be savvy and helpful when trying to give someone advice/suggestions, or simply keep your opinion to yourself.

@Sub-Zero me personally I never go out anymore with the objective of talking with women . It just happens as I am doing whatever I am doing , in the public transport ( I confess though , I use public transport rather than my car because it gives me the opportunity to see a lot of people , and from time to time there are a lot of cuties there ) , in the que at the coffee shop , when I am smoking , when paying bills , while shopping , etc - you got the idea

it just feels more natural when things happen like this , rather than saying ok I am going there because I have to open 10 girls tonight , or whatever objective you set yourself . First of all you put a lot of pressure on yourself , which is not needed . All the time when I think too much about something I tend to mess it up because being an introvert deep down I also have the tendency to overthink .

i believe that looking at things like this will
Improve your results

BigPapa said:

@Sub-Zero me personally I never go out anymore with the objective of talking with women . It just happens as I am doing whatever I am doing , in the public transport ( I confess though , I use public transport rather than my car because it gives me the opportunity to see a lot of people , and from time to time there are a lot of cuties there ) , in the que at the coffee shop , when I am smoking , when paying bills , while shopping , etc - you got the idea

it just feels more natural when things happen like this , rather than saying ok I am going there because I have to open 10 girls tonight , or whatever objective you set yourself . First of all you put a lot of pressure on yourself , which is not needed . All the time when I think too much about something I tend to mess it up because being an introvert deep down I also have the tendency to overthink .

i believe that looking at things like this will
Improve your results

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Yeah that makes sense, appreciate it bro.

The Emerald Archer said:

@Sub-Zero

I believe the reason people are giving you shit sometimes is because you seem to have been spinning your wheels and making zero/minimal progress based on the amount of questions you ask, and yeah bro they are kinda repetitive haha.

I was recently scrolling through some of the comments on Chases's articles form the past few years, because I was looking for a specific comment personally and I noticed that the types of questions you ask about now, you were asking about already 3-4 years ago. And I wasn't even trying to pay attention to your comments/questions they just naturally popped out, which means it sticks out enough that many people are taking notice.

Some topics that pop out to me that you have kept fixating on:

• Should I focus on making money or getting good with girls?
• Can an older guy have success with cold approach/dating on campus?
• Is it creepy for older guys to go around and chat up random women? Will girls think I am creepy or notice that I am older if I talk to them?
• Can I get girls if I still live with my parents?
• I went out to the bar/club and got a girl's number and they keep flaking, why?
• Can cold approach or direct approaching be done on a college campus?
• Can you make a lot of money without working in a job/career that involves a lot of heavy math?

If you go back to some of Chases's older articles from 2015/2016 you will see the same types of questions back then that you have asked recently within the past few months. So, it's often enough that people are taking notice and you're sticking out like a sore thumb.

Now I don't want you to feel bad or that I'm trying to pick on YOU, I realize this sounds harsh bro, but this something that is very noticeable.

As for this comment:



Why do you think writing field reports or in a journal is counterproductive? If anything, I think this could be a major source of your problems right here. I truly think that a journal is the best thing you could do because you will be able to see your thoughts organized all in one place. I really think that's your biggest issue, bud.

You seem scatter-brained sometimes and it's very hard to follow along with your thoughts and what you're trying to accomplish with your goals stuff.

I believe that is why people have the impression that you're not taking any action and are unaware of some actions you have taken like going out to the clubs and messing around with dating apps.

If someone keeps asking the same few things over and over again, then a person naturally assumes you must not be taking action otherwise why would you still be asking these questions a few years later?

If you're be hung up on the same few topics and sticking point then it looks like you're not doing anything with the feedback and answers you have been getting. That's why some folks are probably assuming this about you.

Again man, I don't want you to get all upset and feel like I'm trying to make you feel bad or picking on you. I've commented on some of your threads before and like Mr. Rob, I'm rooting for you and hope this all works out for you.

MrRapo,



This is not a helpful way to go about helping someone or giving them any sort of practical advice. All it looks like here is you having a laugh at someone else's expense and using their problems and challenges to stroke your ego.

You making an observation about Sub's posting of the same questions over and over is one thing, but the "don't give me an excuse blah blah blah" is very condescending and rude. I would recommend you either learn how to be savvy and helpful when trying to give someone advice/suggestions, or simply keep your opinion to yourself.

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Yeah, same sticking points been happening for a while, wish it didn’t.

I don’t write journals because there isn’t anything to write about that I can’t think of for myself. I can guess why an approach didn’t work and the times I have asked why something didn’t work out it happened to be what I also thought.

I am also not consistent going out and finding it hard to have the motivation for it as well.

I feel every time I go out I’m wasting my time and money, and I often do.

Only thing keeping me sane is that I do get girls attracted and get places with them, but if they’re aren’t making it easy for me, then it usually doesn’t happen.

Do you think I want to deal with what I have been dealing with? I said earlier I went out years straight with minimal improvement with my goals because of women playing games. I improved myself; I open better, carry conversations better, etc. I got into a relationship where the girl chased me and I was king, so that did cause progress to slow down immensely.


Usually I approach, girls that like me, we touch, etc. then get the number set up a date, flake.

That is literally the same fuckin shit, then I try to say fuck the number and go straight to trying to go home with them and then they say I’m moving too fast.

It’s always a game.

Who wants to keep approaching and dealing with this shit when it’s the same thing?

But I’m at the point, maybe I need to leave this place, I really support the site and think some of you guys are really cool here, and I appreciate all the help I’ve gotten.

To the ones that try to troll me and talk shit, Fuck You.

Then I mean how many options do I have? I do everything good enough that I get the number, then I can either try to go home with her asap or I can set up a date, but get flaked.

But I will say this again for everyone.

My only problem is approaching during the day time, I can approach at night, I go to clubs at night solo and I am smooth in there by myself, I get girls attracted and touching on me, I get kisses, etc.

So my main problems are day game, consistency without feeling like I’m wasting my time, money, and of course the number 1 thing, which are flakes.

I usually have a girl I’m fuckin for a while since I’ve been on here, so dry spells have been minimal, but my goal is more women, I’m glad I can fuck girls and keep them around, but it still doesn’t fix it for me when it comes to other girls.

Is that really all my fault though? I have two options to either get the girl home then or I can get the number and ask her to come out, that’s all I can do. I can’t do anything more than that. The chick has to decide to play games or not.

But yes, having my name associated with asking many questions for years and having people bitch about it all the time, there isn’t really a reason to be here anymore.

I’m more ashamed of myself than anything and wish I left sooner so I wouldn’t be associated as the guy who asks the same questions over and over again and has to deal with women’s bullshit, while everyone else gets through their sticking points and enjoys that shit.

Tired of this shit.

You been a cool dude and so have many others that I’ve talked to over the years. Y’all are really good people and I appreciate it.

This site has really been an outlet for me to talk about things I can’t with everyone else

But it seems to me that asking myself these questions and solving them on my own seem best for me.

I might make a journal or an update of success on here, but I’m not gonna stay and be known as this guy who has a hard time with every fuckin thing in the world. I don’t need to be associated with that.

So again really appreciate the help, I might make an update or I might just pm you and the others I’m cool with about it.

Thanks again.

@The Emerald Archer
You’re right, my comment may seemed to harsh. I try to refrain from making such comments again in the future.
And yeah, it kind a gets annoying when a person keeps asking the repetitive questions over the years. But still it’s not the good way to be rude to someone.

@Sub-Zero
My bad being to rude. I just wanted to wake you up. You gave me the impression that you’re not taking actions. If you telling me that are doing night game and online game and have pulled girls there. Then my respect and kudos to you. I always root for men that try to improve their dating/social/lives.

But still, you asked alot of repetitive questions. I strongly suggest read some of your comments back and apply some of the suggestions that people have giving you in the past.

As for keeping a journal. I still believe that it will help you. People can see you working hard and may find sticking points, you didn’t think you might have. Or read other people’s journals. Like mine. I try to do day game consistency, who knows it might inspire you to do more approaches.

Best of luck Sub-zero and stay strong.

I still believe that the first half of the movie hitch is the best advice that anyone can give you as it focuses on fundamentals and mentality . If you can internalize that half of the movie , you are gold dating wise

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Yeah, same sticking points been happening for a while, wish it didn’t.

I don’t write journals because there isn’t anything to write about that I can’t think of for myself. I can guess why an approach didn’t work and the times I have asked why something didn’t work out it happened to be what I also thought.

I am also not consistent going out and finding it hard to have the motivation for it as well.

I feel every time I go out I’m wasting my time and money, and I often do.

Only thing keeping me sane is that I do get girls attracted and get places with them, but if they’re aren’t making it easy for me, then it usually doesn’t happen.

Do you think I want to deal with what I have been dealing with? I said earlier I went out years straight with minimal improvement with my goals because of women playing games. I improved myself; I open better, carry conversations better, etc. I got into a relationship where the girl chased me and I was king, so that did cause progress to slow down immensely.


Usually I approach, girls that like me, we touch, etc. then get the number set up a date, flake.

That is literally the same fuckin shit, then I try to say fuck the number and go straight to trying to go home with them and then they say I’m moving too fast.

It’s always a game.

Who wants to keep approaching and dealing with this shit when it’s the same thing?

But I’m at the point, maybe I need to leave this place, I really support the site and think some of you guys are really cool here, and I appreciate all the help I’ve gotten.

To the ones that try to troll me and talk shit, Fuck You.

Then I mean how many options do I have? I do everything good enough that I get the number, then I can either try to go home with her asap or I can set up a date, but get flaked.

But I will say this again for everyone.

My only problem is approaching during the day time, I can approach at night, I go to clubs at night solo and I am smooth in there by myself, I get girls attracted and touching on me, I get kisses, etc.

So my main problems are day game, consistency without feeling like I’m wasting my time, money, and of course the number 1 thing, which are flakes.

I usually have a girl I’m fuckin for a while since I’ve been on here, so dry spells have been minimal, but my goal is more women, I’m glad I can fuck girls and keep them around, but it still doesn’t fix it for me when it comes to other girls.

Is that really all my fault though? I have two options to either get the girl home then or I can get the number and ask her to come out, that’s all I can do. I can’t do anything more than that. The chick has to decide to play games or not.

But yes, having my name associated with asking many questions for years and having people bitch about it all the time, there isn’t really a reason to be here anymore.

I’m more ashamed of myself than anything and wish I left sooner so I wouldn’t be associated as the guy who asks the same questions over and over again and has to deal with women’s bullshit, while everyone else gets through their sticking points and enjoys that shit.

Tired of this shit.

You been a cool dude and so have many others that I’ve talked to over the years. Y’all are really good people and I appreciate it.

This site has really been an outlet for me to talk about things I can’t with everyone else

But it seems to me that asking myself these questions and solving them on my own seem best for me.

I might make a journal or an update of success on here, but I’m not gonna stay and be known as this guy who has a hard time with every fuckin thing in the world. I don’t need to be associated with that.

So again really appreciate the help, I might make an update or I might just pm you and the others I’m cool with about it.

Thanks again.

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Sub, I'm sure you're aware of the concept that if what you're doing isn't working, then it's time to make some changes.

I want to suggest a kind of change that you may not have considered. You may need to change the way you analyze the issues you're having.

If you've been having the same problem for years - for instance, phone numbers always lead to flakes - and you've naturally attempted to analyze your game up to the flaking, and you've attempted to make changes to fix the issue, and nothing has made a difference.... you may need to consider that you're not analyzing your game correctly.

Try this. Instead of asking questions when you're having an issue, tell us and show us how you got to the issue.

Tell us about everything that happened up to that point. Track your exact numbers and tell us about it (ie. I approached 35 girls the past two weeks. 15 phone numbers. 10 agreed to dates. All 10 flaked.). Heck, you can even go as far as recording your interactions and sharing them with a coach for analysis.

Anyway, again, my point is this. If you've asked a bunch of questions, and have gotten a bunch of answers, and assuming you've gone out and implemented all the answers, then you need to consider that you're just self-analyzing yourself incorrectly. Challenge the way you critique yourself. Critique yourself from different view points. Challenge the assumptions you've made about your game. Then you should be able to find your breakthrough.

Sub-Zero said:

I’m wondering if that’s the best solution to have me feel better about learning game. I only go out to game like 1-2 days a week. Other than that I do what I gotta do and go home.

I’m not even talking about going out in night life, I mean being an explorer and going to different places everyday of the week to talk to women and get myself out of the house more.

Like different malls, grocery stores, etc.

Is that something I should be doing everyday?

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To get good, yes you should be going out 4-5 times a week and schedule it as a routine.

The reason is that you'll consistently start hitting your sticking points over and over again, see them, and everytually you'll be able to work through them as you test new methods.

Going out 1-2 times a week is fine too but it's better when you already have the skillset rather than when you're building it - the lack of consistency means slower growth.

@Sub-Zero

Hey man you don;t need to be so hard on yourself. No one here wants you to leave or stop interacting with the community man. Every one is rooting for you to break out of your rut man!

Even the guys you think are talking shit really there just being a little over top in hopes to inspire you to do something different and break out.

There isn't anyone on here that is hoping you fail or stay stuck. So you definitely shouldnt just leave ship.

All any of us wants to see is to have you report back on any advice you've been given and tell us what happened and what worked/didnt work when you tried out the advice.

What sucks as a mentor is when you plow a bunch of time into helping someone and they either don;t use the advice or don;t report back on how it went but are still complaining and asking the same questions about being stuck at the same problem. You have to see it from our perspective.

Now that said Elder Price makes a good point on the doing the same thing expecting different results aspect.

If you're going out semi regularly like you say you are and getting stuck at the same point everytime then there is 100% something wrong you;re doing or missing. You've never really posted regular field reports detailing your approaches and singling out the exact point where things went off the rails.

Ive seen you post a question here or there but the way you detail your interactions is always pretty general vague.

I honestly feel like if you posted 5 really detailed field reports of exactly what happened and came up with a gameplan to get to the next level we could get you to advance in progress.

But you have this weird attitude of "I don't need to write field reports because I know what I;m doing wrong, and really I;m doing everything right but these girls all play games and I can figure it out on my own but I want to vent about how unfair it is" Im not really sure how thats a helpful outlook for any of us.

It would be one thing if you;ve posted loads of field reports and asked detailed questions about all your sticking points in field (most of your questions revolve around non infield specific questions) and had gone out diligently to try every single piece of advice you received 5 times and then reported back on exactly whats worked and what hasn't.

But you've never done that, other than ask the odd question here and there and then go radio silent as to if you ever tried out the advice.

It would be super awesome to see you on here posting field reports regularly (even if they're bad interactions) and being more positive getting after it like "Im determined to figure out what I need to change and try differently to get just the next step further in taking a girl home from the club".

You've got to take responsibility for your situation and always come back to the man in the mirror when things aren't going wrong.

When you admit the problem is YOU only then can you take back the control to change the only thing you can control... Yourself.

So I understand if you need to take a break from pickup or a breather but come back to it.

And when you come back to it do it with a winners attitude, get to posting a field report for every major interaction in nightgame, or online dating, or daygame and just implement the best advice and report back until you make that breakthrough.

But if you want to get out of this rut you've got to take responsibility for putting yourself in the rut and then change things up entirely in your approach, attitude, forum habits, and reinvent a new and improve Sub-Zero.

We're all pulling for you and are on board to help you however we can but you've got to be willing to make some big changes to help yourself first.

-Rob

Looking at couples on the street and thinking how beautiful and rewarding daygame is, for allowing me to pick up a girl on the street, makes me wanna go 3-5 times a week.

ElderPrice said:

Sub, I'm sure you're aware of the concept that if what you're doing isn't working, then it's time to make some changes.

I want to suggest a kind of change that you may not have considered. You may need to change the way you analyze the issues you're having.

If you've been having the same problem for years - for instance, phone numbers always lead to flakes - and you've naturally attempted to analyze your game up to the flaking, and you've attempted to make changes to fix the issue, and nothing has made a difference.... you may need to consider that you're not analyzing your game correctly.

Try this. Instead of asking questions when you're having an issue, tell us and show us how you got to the issue.

Tell us about everything that happened up to that point. Track your exact numbers and tell us about it (ie. I approached 35 girls the past two weeks. 15 phone numbers. 10 agreed to dates. All 10 flaked.). Heck, you can even go as far as recording your interactions and sharing them with a coach for analysis.

Anyway, again, my point is this. If you've asked a bunch of questions, and have gotten a bunch of answers, and assuming you've gone out and implemented all the answers, then you need to consider that you're just self-analyzing yourself incorrectly. Challenge the way you critique yourself. Critique yourself from different view points. Challenge the assumptions you've made about your game. Then you should be able to find your breakthrough.

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Will do, thanks man.