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I don't think I am being neurotic and don't think I said one single mistake. Richard understood what I was trying to say I think.

What I am getting at is you can be at the top of your game and pull a really hot girl that knocks your socks off and get into a relationship with her but you pretty much need to be at the top of your game for the entire time you are in a relationship with her. If you become complacent and just want to relax and have an easy life and not be THE MAN all the time you're screwed she will over time gradually lose attraction for you and leave you. It wouldn't matter if you saved her life. Even if you were special forces hard ass that killed 16 terrorists and swept her to safety she would eventually fall out of love with you and leave you if you ever stopped being that guy. It doesn't matter what you were to her in the past. It as if everything you done really means nothing to them.

Don't be "the man" to attract girls. Because once you have attracted her and gotten into a relationship with her, you will naturally get complacent. What's the point anymore, you begin to think. It's a facade you keep up for her sake.

Be "the man" because you want to, for your own sake. You must be selfish in the sense that you want to make the most out of your own life regardless of having girls in it or not. Learn to live a fulfilling life without girls. Get comfortable being alone. Don't compromise on your happiness when you're with girls. And let girls be the desert to your main course.
 

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women have to take care of families. their provider could die. they had to evolve to move on. everyone swallows the red pill differently. if you wanna go mgtow that’s on you. i like having girlfriends, knowing they won’t last. just don’t end up like juice wrld
 

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that's funny because ive read statistics that lower the partner count the less likely a divorce.
also the more sexual partners a man has the sex feels worse. according to statistics. now sex is a bonding mechanism for men
I have heard this too, and it seems to hold true. I know of quite a few women that basically just go through serial relationships. They get involved with guy after guy but always eventually dump them and move. Yet my sister who was a model when she was young only ever had two or three boyfriends that I know of and she settled down with an average guy and seems happy enough.
 

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Don't be "the man" to attract girls. Because once you have attracted her and gotten into a relationship with her, you will naturally get complacent. What's the point anymore, you begin to think. It's a facade you keep up for her sake.

Be "the man" because you want to, for your own sake. You must be selfish in the sense that you want to make the most out of your own life regardless of having girls in it or not. Learn to live a fulfilling life without girls. Get comfortable being alone. Don't compromise on your happiness when you're with girls. And let girls be the desert to your main course.

I have always been my own man and done what I wanted to do regardless of what other people think of me. The problem with me is I am naturally an intellectual person. My interests are very introverted, nerdy and boring to most women. I don't lead a particularly exciting life not because I am incapable but because I just do what interests me. In order to attract the type of hot women I like I need to put on the " facade" or they would just get bored to death. I am a software engineer and keep reef aquariums and have other equally nerdy pass times. The problem is the facade is hard work and you will always eventually get complacent. No way would i ever go mgtow.
 

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My interests are very introverted, nerdy and boring to most women. I don't lead a particularly exciting life not because I am incapable but because I just do what interests me. In order to attract the type of hot women I like I need to put on the " facade" or they would just get bored to death. I am a software engineer and keep reef aquariums and have other equally nerdy pass times. The problem is the facade is hard work and you will always eventually get complacent

Are you saying this from experience or assuming?

I met my girl at a book store. A hot ex of mine was a huge closet Lord of the Rings nerd. My first girlfriend who was really hot but kind of crazy was into metal and anime. Another cute girl I dated was SUPER into anime and studied Japanese. I knew a super cute girl I worked with who loved fish and had aquariums. I know another girl who is studying coding. She's sexy.

The most exciting things I do with my GFs are sex and hang out. We also spend time in our shared interests, but it's not like we're scuba diving in Hawaii and drifting my nonexistent lambourgini around the block.

What hot women are you interested in that have such different interests than yours? You're going to hate having these women around because they're a terrible match for you.

And of course it's going to be a mountain of work because they're not compatible with you, not because they're hot!

The problem might actually be a lack of self worth. Give yourself more credit and take a step back because you're misunderstanding important some things.
 

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Well, keep in mind that I'm saying it's a finite life in the pragmatic sense; basically there comes a point in time where it is no longer worthwhile to keep investing.

As for decade long marriages - could be a number of factors. The older a woman gets the lower her market value goes down so it's logical to hold on to a partner after decades; same thing for men, there's a point where it makes more sense to stay with one woman than it does to keep chasing new tail around.

If you mean marriages where the couple starts off VERY young (like high school sweethearts) and goes on to make it until one of them dies of old age then that is exceedingly rare; could be personality traits, could be social conditioning, could be naivety/inexperience overpowering a drive to explore, could also be genuine happiness - it's not like it's impossible, it's just not likely.

You bring up good points so there's something else I'd like to talk about and that's partner count; a woman with low partner count is likely to leave a relationship because she wants to explore and it comes from a sense of naivety. Women with a high partner count have enough experience to leave a relationship that isn't giving her what she wants. Women in the middle 3-6 partners are the perfect candidate BECAUSE they haven't reached a bitter phase towards men yet and they're also smart enough to understand when they have a good man on their hands.

Relationships in general; from my experience, relationships peak during the honeymoon phase and there's tons of new relationship energy which lasts upwards of 9 months and from there it's a gradual downslope. The relationship stays "great" for a while after that, make no mistake, but that's when the downslope starts :)

-Richard
Are you saying this from experience or assuming?

I met my girl at a book store. A hot ex of mine was a huge closet Lord of the Rings nerd. My first girlfriend who was really hot but kind of crazy was into metal and anime. Another cute girl I dated was SUPER into anime and studied Japanese. I knew a super cute girl I worked with who loved fish and had aquariums. I know another girl who is studying coding. She's sexy.

The most exciting things I do with my GFs are sex and hang out. We also spend time in our shared interests, but it's not like we're scuba diving in Hawaii and drifting my nonexistent lambourgini around the block.

What hot women are you interested in that have such different interests than yours? You're going to hate having these women around because they're a terrible match for you.

And of course it's going to be a mountain of work because they're not compatible with you, not because they're hot!

The problem might actually be a lack of self worth. Give yourself more credit and take a step back because you're misunderstanding important some things.


very true. but it’s easier to believe excuses than look at conflicting evidence. like people who say they never see a guy with a girl that looks better than him unless he’s rich. limiting beliefs.

one of my close friends is a coder who went to harvard, and she’s fucking hot. a lot of the girls i date are weirdos too. i’m a weirdo. there’s girls for every flavor of person.
 

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I have always been my own man and done what I wanted to do regardless of what other people think of me. The problem with me is I am naturally an intellectual person. My interests are very introverted, nerdy and boring to most women. I don't lead a particularly exciting life not because I am incapable but because I just do what interests me. In order to attract the type of hot women I like I need to put on the " facade" or they would just get bored to death. I am a software engineer and keep reef aquariums and have other equally nerdy pass times. The problem is the facade is hard work and you will always eventually get complacent. No way would i ever go mgtow.

Attract another girl of your type, get into a relationship with her and eventually open up about your interests. Not in a matter-of-fact way. But do it when she's asking how your day went, or if anything interesting happened. She may be at shock first when you share a nerdy interest, but after that? Either 1) she doesn't mention it again, 2) she may tease you about it, or 3) she may interested to know more about it. Have you tried this before?

An ex once asked me how I spent my Sunday. We had a lot of common interests, but I knew anime wasn't one. I said I had watched anime that Sunday (it was one episode). She teased me that she felt I chose anime over her. After that? She never mentioned it again. And I didn't say how often I watched anime. She didn't know if it was a passing thing or something I did as a hobby. She didn't want to know further and didn't ask questions. But she only knew I watched it that Sunday.

In my experience, girls usually don't have a problem with you having nerdy interests if you're not ashamed about it. And perhaps she just doesn't want to know anything more than you doing it. But when you show her you care about her reaction in your very own interests, then it's game over.

Why do you care about her reaction and attraction if you love what you're doing?

If you make it a big deal, she will too.

If you don't make it big deal, she won't too.

Own what you do, and she will know you're your own person.

And if it's such a deal-breaker to her that she has to break up, were you a good match then? (Hint: girls don't break up over small things once they're invested in you - unless something is awfully wrong with them)
 

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Your interests and hobbies have little to no impact on a woman's view of you. I'm a nerd - I play chess, I read philosophy/psychology, I watch a shit ton of anime, play video games and disc golf all the time and women love me; I don't talk about these things like I'm ashamed of them.

Women are water, they're chameleons; they blend and shape to whoever the man they're most interested in and I try to always be the most interesting man to her :) Think about it logically for a second, if you're the guy that's making her feel the best then is she really going to care what that guy's hobbies are? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Does it really seem like a chick is going to say "You know what, Richard is awesome; he treats me well, the sex is fantastic and I don't feel worried about being myself. But, he takes care of reef aquariums and that's a deal breaker." Can you fucking imagine? HAHA XD
 

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As for the whole partner count debate;

I don't really trust statistics on social topics such as sex and marriage; men and women both have a reason to "hide" or "exaggerate" so the statistical data is skewed, in my opinion. Even if the data a person is putting forward is 100% anonymous, men and women both still have reasons to lie/bend/hide things.

Anyway, the way it generally works:

1) An inexperienced partner (low partner count) usually does not have enough experience to know when they have somebody good on their hands. The time comes where they wonder if they're missing out; after that, the decision they make will come down to a couple of factors; how often they get hit on outside of the relationship, age, personality traits, etc. That goes for men and women.

2) An experienced partner has been with enough people of the opposite sex (possibly same sex/bisexual women) that they go into monogamy with loose ideals. They know that love and sex are not the same and have been with enough people to understand that one person is VERY UNLIKELY to be able to fulfill them long term so monogamy becomes impractical, again.
 

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Your interests and hobbies have little to no impact on a woman's view of you. I'm a nerd - I play chess, I read philosophy/psychology, I watch a shit ton of anime, play video games and disc golf all the time and women love me; I don't talk about these things like I'm ashamed of them.

Women are water, they're chameleons; they blend and shape to whoever the man they're most interested in and I try to always be the most interesting man to her :) Think about it logically for a second, if you're the guy that's making her feel the best then is she really going to care what that guy's hobbies are? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Does it really seem like a chick is going to say "You know what, Richard is awesome; he treats me well, the sex is fantastic and I don't feel worried about being myself. But, he takes care of reef aquariums and that's a deal breaker." Can you fucking imagine? HAHA XD

i just got out off the phone with a friend and we were talking about how commonalities don’t mean anything if you stay active. if you don’t like the same tv shows or music then don’t watch tv and movies together. go for a run, ride a bike together, go out to dinner. there are several things you can do that you don’t have to have commonalities for. focus on vibe and if you get along.
 

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What hot women are you interested in that have such different interests than yours? You're going to hate having these women around because they're a terrible match for you.
if it's such a deal-breaker to her that she has to break up, were you a good match then?
Your interests and hobbies have little to no impact on a woman's view of you. I'm a nerd - I play chess, I read philosophy/psychology, I watch a shit ton of anime, play video games and disc golf all the time and women love me; I don't talk about these things like I'm ashamed of them.
The hobbies you listed here aren't nerdy (with the exception of chess) to hot girls that aren't nerdy themselves.

Chicks dig insights from pop philosophy/psychology on how to live, human nature, etc. And I know you know there are ton of guys who do nothing but play video games (COD, Madden, Fortnite) getting laid like rockstars.

Anime?
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Never played disc golf myself, but looks fun as hell.

Nerdy hobbies would be something like
being a reef collector like Randy
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LARPing (Live Action Role Play)
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Dungeons and Dragons
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Action figure collector (lol)
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It's more about finding someone whose a good match personality wise (if she nerdy she gonna like nerdy shit) Because that chick can easily be turned on to your nerdy hobbies (if she don't already do them)
And won't be embarrassed about them to the point where she'll try to change who you are to her liking or breakup with you over them

if you don’t like the same tv shows or music then don’t watch tv and movies together. go for a run, ride a bike together, go out to dinner. there are several things you can do that you don’t have to have commonalities for. focus on vibe and if you get along.
Thing is, "if you get along" more depends on your guys personality. When both of ya'll dig each other's sense of humor and hobbies and ways of seeing life, there's a high likelihood that you'll also also like the same TV shows and movies (because the jokes you find funny on those show will be the same kind of jokes you'd tell others. Compare


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of course I'm biased because I only keep fbs instead of gfs, so besides eat, sex, sleep, repeat, we watch movies to pass the time.
 
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The more I get to understand Female psychology and relationship dynamics the more I start to dislike it. It sickens me that you could be the most alpha guy on the planet, be her hero, save her life and even be willing to risk your life and die for her. She could then fall in love with you and have your children but as soon as you show any signs that you have feelings or any sort of needy behaviour you're done.

Do all those great times you had in the past really mean nothing to her? And it's only how you are showing up right now at this moment that really counts?

My experience is that this is really how women are programmed and it makes me think, is it really worth getting involved with women for anything more than sex. I have had great relationships in the past when I was on top of my game and the women would have done anything for me. But over time I have become complacent and they have eventually lost all interest and shown me that they really don't give a fuck about me any more. A man would never do this.

Women are programmed to like you, devote to you, etc. in the present moment, in your current form. It works the same for men.

Think about this perspective - if you started dating a hot 21 year old, Blonde and blue eyes, perfect fit body - and you two had the greatest time and relationship together, perfect sex, and then got married/committed into a relationship a few years later (she's the hottest girl you've been with to that point) - and then after she turns 25, 26, or 30, or 33, or whenever - she stops working out, stops eating healthy, and starts to lose her attractiveness and gets thicker and bigger, so that you miss her old state and how hot she was, and are disappointed you're stuck with this girl who was so hot before, but has lost that edge.

Would you really still want to be with her then?

So think about that from your question - when it's the GIRL who is in question. Imagine what she's thinking:
"Do all those great times you had in the past really mean nothing to him? And it's only how you are showing up right now at this moment that really counts?"

Food for thought, I hope this clarifies things a bit.
 
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The more I get to understand Female psychology and relationship dynamics the more I start to dislike it. It sickens me that you could be the most alpha guy on the planet, be her hero, save her life and even be willing to risk your life and die for her. She could then fall in love with you and have your children but as soon as you show any signs that you have feelings or any sort of needy behaviour you're done.

- This is one of the only good thing i learned about female psychology from the red pillers which helped me. Most men in a relationships believe the similar:

"i put her through college" = 100k in the relationship investment account
"i gave her children"- 100 k in the relationship savings account
" i bought her a car" 50 k in the relationship savings account
etc.... I can go on and on till they believe they reached enough Assets in that relationship savings account were they can be SAFE and retire since she OWES YOU millions that she could never pay back for all the things you did for her.....

^ at points I also felt like that in jobs were i was the top guy, but then i would go into a sales slump and when they say "get your shit together or you are out" i would think to myself " but i was the top guy for many years" and the boss says "you know how it works what have you done for me LATELY"..... My point is guys have a self fantasy that they have built enough equity with the women, so she OWES YOU some type of loyalty like the starx of winterfell.... This shit does not work like that, but society since a young age through media, culture, religion etc... has programmed us in this lie......

You need to be always on the top of your shit or she is out.... When you are good at seduction is when ^ this is automatic you, in top of your game and she is so attracted that things like this don't even face you cause is ingrained... (unfortunately you do have to go through couple of relationship were you can see this enough, were then it does not affect you, and you will be so attractive that it eventually totally stop happening and if it happens you are like "shrug" " i understand" "next" = it just doesn't face you... You will get there it takes a while though...

Do all those great times you had in the past really mean nothing to her? And it's only how you are showing up right now at this moment that really counts?

nope again, what have you done for me lately, if you are not on top of your game, she will start losing the investment dynamic and just see you as a family member, and the attraction will start being diminished in some cases she will turn into anger and hate cause you not attractive enough... (she will check out).... But some of this thing can be avoided if you screened right for an ltr... (look at razor jacks posts)

My experience is that this is really how women are programmed and it makes me think, is it really worth getting involved with women for anything more than sex. I have had great relationships in the past when I was on top of my game and the women would have done anything for me. But over time I have become complacent and they have eventually lost all interest and shown me that they really don't give a fuck about me any more. A man would never do this.

you can never become complacent, you always got a be on top of your game, or she will lose attraction and check out... She will also makes attempts to make you complacent/betazized to take you out of the market....

Men have an internal sense of duty, integrity, loyalty.... man are the true romantics.......

Usually women are the players.... This is the hardest thing to understand, you one day will understand this, women never ever ever leave the game....


men check out and become complacent.... The sad thing is that women will never do this when you have reach the TRUE LEVEL of not needing women for your internal happiness... Once you reach that level (took me 40 years)... You will never ever have to worry and they won't likely leave....
 
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Your interests and hobbies have little to no impact on a woman's view of you. I'm a nerd - I play chess, I read philosophy/psychology, I watch a shit ton of anime, play video games and disc golf all the time and women love me; I don't talk about these things like I'm ashamed of them.

Women are water, they're chameleons; they blend and shape to whoever the man they're most interested in and I try to always be the most interesting man to her :) Think about it logically for a second, if you're the guy that's making her feel the best then is she really going to care what that guy's hobbies are? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Does it really seem like a chick is going to say "You know what, Richard is awesome; he treats me well, the sex is fantastic and I don't feel worried about being myself. But, he takes care of reef aquariums and that's a deal breaker." Can you fucking imagine? HAHA XD

Reminds me of this meme:

https://ifunny.co/video/bSPVMV1r6
 
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