Can Fundamentals Beat This?

Sub-Zero

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How do you deal with self-hating women?

I’ve noticed that women of my race have been going hard on dating out. Dating out is fine, but they are bashing the men in the process, that is not fine.

I’ve seen this before, but I see it more today. We get blamed for everything that doesn’t work out for them, so that’s their excuse to bash us and try to get others to join them. This is getting promoted in the media as well, so you know other women are getting brainwashed, so this is like an agenda.

I’ve had women talk shit in front of me before, I’ve seen it on dating apps saying they only want other races of men, all over social media, etc.

I’d be lying if I said this didn’t bother me, and I’ve tried to ignore it, but I see it more now than ever, now I wonder if it can be beat. I wouldn’t talk to those women normally, but it seems every chick is on this now.

The funniest thing is that they hate when we date out, but they applaud each other when they do, as if it’s an accomplishment.

I worry if things will get worse in the future with this agenda going on.

Of course you might say to date other races of women, but I feel if my own is bashing us, then it seems it would be harder for us to date out as well.

I feel this is all to make dating a lot harder for us.

So,

1. Will fundamentals overcome women who hate their own race of men?

2. Is this worth worrying about?
 

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How do you deal with self-hating women?

I’ve noticed that women of my race have been going hard on dating out. Dating out is fine, but they are bashing the men in the process, that is not fine.

I’ve seen this before, but I see it more today. We get blamed for everything that doesn’t work out for them, so that’s their excuse to bash us and try to get others to join them. This is getting promoted in the media as well, so you know other women are getting brainwashed, so this is like an agenda.

I’ve had women talk shit in front of me before, I’ve seen it on dating apps saying they only want other races of men, all over social media, etc.

I’d be lying if I said this didn’t bother me, and I’ve tried to ignore it, but I see it more now than ever, now I wonder if it can be beat. I wouldn’t talk to those women normally, but it seems every chick is on this now.

The funniest thing is that they hate when we date out, but they applaud each other when they do, as if it’s an accomplishment.

I worry if things will get worse in the future with this agenda going on.

Of course you might say to date other races of women, but I feel if my own is bashing us, then it seems it would be harder for us to date out as well.

I feel this is all to make dating a lot harder for us.

So,

1. Will fundamentals overcome women who hate their own race of men?

2. Is this worth worrying about?

oh boy! no this shit again lol!
 

Sub-Zero

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Hey y’all If this is a shit thread y’all can just delete it haha.
 

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Need context. What races and country are we talking about?

Very non-SJW advice here: how you deal with this issue depends on wether you are framed as the opressor or the opressed.
 

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@Sub-Zero,

You know, when I was a novice seducer, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to pick up women with sour, negative dispositions.

Eventually I noticed the guys I saw do best with these girls usually had very cynical styles of game, or were doing something more or less alien to anything I did or wanted to do.

My eventual conclusion was, "These are negative or cynical women, whom I am not going to enjoy being around regardless, and who are a lot harder for me to pick up than neutral or positive women. I don't need to spend time on a woman once I discover she is like this."

That was probably one of the best decisions I ever made for myself in terms of making pickup more enjoyable.

Once you make that decision, if you walk up and realize a girl is sour/negative/cynical, you let the conversation die, then keep moving.

Then when you find yourself in a pleasant seduction with a normal or pleasant girl, you will be saying to yourself, "Glad I didn't stick around talking to that earlier girl! This new girl's a breath of fresh air!"

Chase
 

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In the past I barely screened girls for their psychology.. until I had bad experiences and had to figure out why. Then I learned to just as Chase mentions move away from negative women. For some reason I also correlate these girls with being "losery". Something about them just screams out victim mentality which I also dislike in normal friends.

Bitter people do bitter things.
 

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Need context. What races and country are we talking about?

Very non-SJW advice here: how you deal with this issue depends on wether you are framed as the opressor or the opressed.
Black, America
 

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@Sub-Zero,

You know, when I was a novice seducer, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to pick up women with sour, negative dispositions.

Eventually I noticed the guys I saw do best with these girls usually had very cynical styles of game, or were doing something more or less alien to anything I did or wanted to do.

My eventual conclusion was, "These are negative or cynical women, whom I am not going to enjoy being around regardless, and who are a lot harder for me to pick up than neutral or positive women. I don't need to spend time on a woman once I discover she is like this."

That was probably one of the best decisions I ever made for myself in terms of making pickup more enjoyable.

Once you make that decision, if you walk up and realize a girl is sour/negative/cynical, you let the conversation die, then keep moving.

Then when you find yourself in a pleasant seduction with a normal or pleasant girl, you will be saying to yourself, "Glad I didn't stick around talking to that earlier girl! This new girl's a breath of fresh air!"

Chase
Yeah I tried to avoid these women too, but it’s like a new trend for them to date out and try to get back at us. It’s like more and more of them are acting like this because it’s the popular thing to do. I’ve had women tell me that their friends told them to leave men alone from their race and to only date out.

I think if my own women act like this, how will other women act?

To me it seems like a lot of the woman of my race have been acting like this, and the media is also pushing this a lot as well: You see it everywhere now with movies, commercials, etc.

And women are followers and this seems like a trend they’re following while also bashing us

So I’ll try my best to ignore it and just go for the cooperative women.

Thanks for the reply Chase.
 

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In the past I barely screened girls for their psychology.. until I had bad experiences and had to figure out why. Then I learned to just as Chase mentions move away from negative women. For some reason I also correlate these girls with being "losery". Something about them just screams out victim mentality which I also dislike in normal friends.

Bitter people do bitter things.
A lot of these chicks are bitter bro especially the ones I’m talking about . That’s the problem I’m dealing with, even if I slept with them they still have this mentality.
 

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@Sub-Zero,

You're making mountains out of molehills, man.

Interracial dating, as heavily promoted as it is by the MSM, is something only a thin minority of people of either sex do. And women do it less than men.

Worrying about the women who are dating out when the vast majority of women are still dating in is getting your signals crossed. It's like focusing on the women who reject you instead of the women who say "yes."

If she thinks she doesn't want to date men from her group, and you are from her group, then she's kind of irrelevant to you, isn't she? Why do you care about her?

If you run into a black chick who says she only dates lighter skinned black men, or white guys, or Asians, or whatever, it is the same as if you meet one who says she is a lesbian, or only dates wealthy men, or much older men. Maybe you're attractive enough to her you can be the exception, but if not, you're better off ignoring her.

Always more fish in the sea.

Getting hung up fretting the fish who don't want to chomp your bait instead of figuring out how to reel in the ones who do is an exercise in futility.

If it's an ego thing ("women from my group should date within my group") -- bear in mind that most people have this (including women -- as much as some of them like dating out, they don't want YOU to do it, do they?), but it's not really useful most of the time. Getting annoyed at people dating out is a waste of energy much better spent on finding women who want you.

If you're having some trouble dealing with it psychologically, just tell yourself that women who date out are leaving the gene pool, and aren't really 'your' women. If you mentally 'ex-communicate' these women, they won't bother you anymore. e.g., if you see a black girl with a white man, and it bothers you, just tell yourself, "Eh, she's white," and your annoyance should drift away. In a very real sense, people who mate into another race group very often leave their own and join that group (for instance, the famous writer Alexandre Dumas, whose grandmother was an African slave -- by the time you reach the slave woman's great-grandson, Alexandre Dumas fils, he's mostly full French in appearance, aside from curlier-than-usual hair... or there was an Englishman who lived deep in the heart of Africa a few centuries ago with something like 40-50 wives, all African, and sired a bunch of children... but if I had to guess today most/all of his descendants would be full black African -- in these instances, the slave girl melded into the French gene pool, and the English settler melded into the African gene pool).

Chase
 

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To me, it seems that @Sub-Zero has the exact tendencies of the IRT iterations that @Carousel and others noted. Plenty of examples:

College/frats/age:
But I heard college is where you'll never meet as many girls to work on your game ever again. After college everything is hard to get girls. I don't want to be on here regretting missing the college experience.
I’m thinking of how much I should have gone harder before and regretting it.

Hearing this makes me wonder if it’s possible to still get the same kind of success that one could get years ago.

Lastly, I'm not trying to join a frat or a club, how can I still have a good social life, make new friends, get more girls without those things?
I still can’t get rid of this limiting belief that young women won’t find men 30 n up attractive unless he makes good money. Having a car and an apartment isn’t enough.
In trying to find out how I can have the best college experience. I'm older, so so you think I should lie about my age or not tell it? I'm not super old, but id rather keep it to myself, but if being older helps, let me know.
Quick question; what should an older dude that looks young do, to smash a lot of chicks in college without joining a frat or anything?

“Now…” formulation:
Now it’s either they own up to seeing other people for most of their marriage or Will has to look like he got cheated on and this isn’t something they have been doing for years.
Now I mostly do night game. But it’s all game, apps, social, day game when I do it sometimes.
Now mind you this is in a span of 6-10 messages, so this is quick rapport for me to get the number fast.

Weird race whining (while this time assuming the identity of a black man):
Just curious because I have had Black men around your age saying to me that attracting women that are a lot younger isn’t possible unless money is involved. So it would be refreshing to see the opposite of that because all I keep hearing is that from them.
Black women have to be the biggest sellouts of any race or gender, and they're hypocrites, they get so mad when a black guy dates different race women, but they do the same and bash.
A huge majority of my matches are Black Women, I’m fine with that, but not being able to get all different races of women bothers me.


Plus, this account has engaged in those odd arguments with the various IRT accounts, such as in this discussion:

Moreover, @Sub-Zero acted suspiciously invested and "surprised" in the IRT exposure thread. Even if it isn't the same person (which I find highly unlikely), continuing the same victimized discussions for nearly six years without considering any of the thoughtful advice from the community is rather disrespectful. Great advice has been given to him every time, but nothing changes...

I've already learned so much from the people here that it frustrates me that someone would continuously take advantage of the kindness and expertise offered on this forum.
 

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@Sub-Zero,

You're making mountains out of molehills, man.

Interracial dating, as heavily promoted as it is by the MSM, is something only a thin minority of people of either sex do. And women do it less than men.

Worrying about the women who are dating out when the vast majority of women are still dating in is getting your signals crossed. It's like focusing on the women who reject you instead of the women who say "yes."

If she thinks she doesn't want to date men from her group, and you are from her group, then she's kind of irrelevant to you, isn't she? Why do you care about her?

If you run into a black chick who says she only dates lighter skinned black men, or white guys, or Asians, or whatever, it is the same as if you meet one who says she is a lesbian, or only dates wealthy men, or much older men. Maybe you're attractive enough to her you can be the exception, but if not, you're better off ignoring her.

Always more fish in the sea.

Getting hung up fretting the fish who don't want to chomp your bait instead of figuring out how to reel in the ones who do is an exercise in futility.

If it's an ego thing ("women from my group should date within my group") -- bear in mind that most people have this (including women -- as much as some of them like dating out, they don't want YOU to do it, do they?), but it's not really useful most of the time. Getting annoyed at people dating out is a waste of energy much better spent on finding women who want you.

If you're having some trouble dealing with it psychologically, just tell yourself that women who date out are leaving the gene pool, and aren't really 'your' women. If you mentally 'ex-communicate' these women, they won't bother you anymore. e.g., if you see a black girl with a white man, and it bothers you, just tell yourself, "Eh, she's white," and your annoyance should drift away. In a very real sense, people who mate into another race group very often leave their own and join that group (for instance, the famous writer Alexandre Dumas, whose grandmother was an African slave -- by the time you reach the slave woman's great-grandson, Alexandre Dumas fils, he's mostly full French in appearance, aside from curlier-than-usual hair... or there was an Englishman who lived deep in the heart of Africa a few centuries ago with something like 40-50 wives, all African, and sired a bunch of children... but if I had to guess today most/all of his descendants would be full black African -- in these instances, the slave girl melded into the French gene pool, and the English settler melded into the African gene pool).

Chase
I didn’t want it to sound like I was possessive of women in my race. I’m fine if they date out and really never cared until I’ve had those women try to talk bad while bringing up every other race of man.

They always say “we did this and we did that, we ain’t shit, we always cheat, we always something negative.”

The bad mouthing is what got to me.

I’ve ignored it for some time, but it’s poppin up all over social media. So I figured this was a trend things going on.

And like you said that women want to date out while they don’t want their men to, oh yes I definitely know. They don’t want you to do something while they do it themselves.


Thank you for the detailed advice Chase. Just wanted to see if this was something to worry about.

I’ll look at it as the examples you gave and not worry about it anymore.

Those girls are just girls that I don’t want anyway.

Thank You man.
 
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@Sub-Zero,

Sure, I get the annoyance.

Try not to be on social media if you can help it.

Listening to people air their half-baked opinions doesn't really do anybody any good.

Most of the time when a woman is maligning her own men (or a man's maligning his own women) the message she's really trying to get across is I wish I could find one of my own men who possessed these qualities I long for... but I cannot. It's the same as the "where have all the good men gone?" stuff. She's just talking about what she wished she could find.

Take it, file it away, "here's a wounded woman saying she wished she could find it", and don't take it personal.

Women do this kind of thing a lot. Attack men for not being something they want, when what they are trying to say is, "Why don't you be this thing I want?" not, "I don't want anything to do with you at all."

(you may still not want to be the thing they want / not consider it worth the trouble. But at least you'll get why they're saying it)


@Lofty,

Yeah, I understand your concerns! Appreciate you looking out for it.

SZ does not have a match for any of the back-end stuff we checked, the way the various accounts of @Indian Race Troll (IRT) did.

He also has a distinctly black speaking/posting style, that would be difficult to imitate if you weren't black (I spent a few years predominantly socializing with American blacks as a teen/in my early twenties, and the style is recognizable to me).

They also have different issues. There's some overlap with age/college... but in this case, IRT had already graduated college and wanted to find some way to recapture the magic of the fraternity he never joined, to be cool (he didn't care about getting laid much); meanwhile, SZ is actually IN college, as a slightly older guy, and worries that age will hinder him from having a triple-digit lay count.

Personality-wise, SZ actually seems to be thoughtful (at least a bit) when you tell him stuff like "If you're not going to completely throw yourself into PU, having a triple-digit lay objective at the stage you're at is not very realistic. You're going to have to choose." Whereas IRT did not ever seem to express any kind of thoughtfulness/reflection whatsoever.

I'm pretty certain these are different users.

I don't think @Sub-Zero is a troll... though he is definitely a hard case, like a few other guys here are (some of the mods on here still think IRT was also a guy who actually was genuinely working on game and seeing improvement... and he may have been... though the multi-account behavior combined with everything else still puts him easily into the 'troll' category for me).

@Tank on here is a 'hard case guy' too (though to his credit, he approaches more than @Sub-Zero does :D ).

I know a guy personally who is another hard case guy, who has been kicked off of most seduction forums because guys got too frustrated with him (he is not on this one), but whom I have met and who multiple guys I know have gone out gaming with, so we know he is a legit dude, who practices day game, and has for over a decade, and is not weird or anything, and on paper seems like a guy women should be crazy about, but no matter WHAT anyone recommends to him (and he has had many of the top guys in PUA provide heaps of advice to him, including @Karea Ricardus D. and myself) he can never get past his hurdles.

There are these guys out there, who are on seduction forums for years, and make very slow progress, because... why? I don't know. Might be a learning issue, or something in the way they conduct their practice... I feel like I'd have to go out a half dozen times with a guy like this to nail down what it is that isn't working that's responsible for him not being able to break through the walls he hits.

I think IRT was also actually this -- he just went about trying to suck the value out of forums in a very low way, with all the multiple accounts, and was particularly troublesome due to the incessant whining and victim mentality and catastrophizing his various issues.

Chase
 

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To me, it seems that @Sub-Zero has the exact tendencies of the IRT iterations that @Carousel and others noted. Plenty of examples:

College/frats/age:






“Now…” formulation:




Weird race whining (while this time assuming the identity of a black man):






Plus, this account has engaged in those odd arguments with the various IRT accounts, such as in this discussion:

Moreover, @Sub-Zero acted suspiciously invested and "surprised" in the IRT exposure thread. Even if it isn't the same person (which I find highly unlikely), continuing the same victimized discussions for nearly six years without considering any of the thoughtful advice from the community is rather disrespectful. Great advice has been given to him every time, but nothing changes...

I've already learned so much from the people here that it frustrates me that someone would continuously take advantage of the kindness and expertise offered on this forum.
What The Fuck really?

Yes, I’ve harped about the age thing, I’ll admit that, but you straight up quoted me saying I don’t give a fuck about frats, and all Irt talked about was joining frats!! All of your quotes of me say fuck frats, how do I get girls without them.

He actually was one of the biggest reasons why I thought over 30 was bad because he kept repeating it.

You never seen me say that you need a frat to get pussy, you have not seen me say anything about putting white women on a pedestal, I think I actually made a thread asking should I avoid them.

Shit I even asked oh pry how he was getting so many lays before I found out he was irt.

I also never talked shit to any of the people I ask advice for, I always make sure to thank them and reply.

I honestly take some of it as an insult because irt would either ignore advice and not give a thanks or he would argue with the people giving him advice.

I always make sure to thank who ever helps me.

I was one of the first people who actually thought oh pry had another account on here (peach frustration) but didn’t want to accuse anyone of anything (like you) then he changed the name to Toby and I had no idea that was him until I searched peach frustration’s name.

I was in a lot of his threads because he made a lot for one, and I honestly tried to help oh pry to see that frats don’t mean shit and is a waste of time to think about.

I wanted to call him out and ask him, how you sleep with 100s of girls and still bitching about frats?

It really was mind boggling to see him still talk about frats and college after sleeping with so many girls, but I guess that wasn’t true, so it make sense why he’s still on it.

But I’m not a shit starter, so I let it be.

Anyway, back to me, I’ve been a fan of the site for a while, but never wrote about any of my outings, lays, or anything like that because I felt there was no point. All I would do is ask questions and vent on how I felt about things.

I’m a pessimistic motherfucka, I’ve admitted time and time again.

I just asked question after question, shit, I just wrote my first outing reports this year after thinking maybe this isn’t a waste of time.

I also have taken the advice that was given to me here as well:

1. I started going out to nightclubs by myself. I never would have done if I didn’t read the articles here.

2. I started moving faster with girls, making sure if I had a chance she was getting fucked the first night instead of waiting. I actually had a girl I was fuckin for years because of me moving fast with the lay instead of playing it safe and waiting.

3. I took advice from someone on here, and got a fuckin hotel before I even met up with a chick. I was against it, but I said let me listen to them because they gave me advice. Booked the hotel and the bitch flaked!! You call that not taking advice?

4. And me writing reports of my outings. I was suggested many times to do it and I always thought it was a waste. I did it anyway, which I still feel was a waste, but I did it because they said I should.

Many more other things as well.

Chase has said I’m a hard case guy, I can’t help that, so yes I blame it on luck and I’m pessimistic about it.

I repeat my biggest problem is sleeping with a lot of different women consistently and seducing chicks that are not making it easy.

I attract women easy enough, but the only girls I’m fuckin are girls that do the work for me, they make it easy. Then I keep fuckin them, but me having to use seduction game isn’t the best if the girl isn’t making it easy.

Like dude so many of my posts are different from irt. I read the links that were posted in the thread from all the sites he’s been on and it’s the same exact same story of him being Indian and other shit he always says. It’s easy to tell when it’s him.

I get the victim mentality and age thing are similar, but you never heard me bitch about no fuckin frats and college is the end all be all.

I asked about college while in college as an older dude, which I honestly do think is a normal limiting belief to have.

This shit is fuckin crazy.
 
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@Sub-Zero,

Sure, I get the annoyance.

Try not to be on social media if you can help it.

Listening to people air their half-baked opinions doesn't really do anybody any good.

Most of the time when a woman is maligning her own men (or a man's maligning his own women) the message she's really trying to get across is I wish I could find one of my own men who possessed these qualities I long for... but I cannot. It's the same as the "where have all the good men gone?" stuff. She's just talking about what she wished she could find.

Take it, file it away, "here's a wounded woman saying she wished she could find it", and don't take it personal.

Women do this kind of thing a lot. Attack men for not being something they want, when what they are trying to say is, "Why don't you be this thing I want?" not, "I don't want anything to do with you at all."

(you may still not want to be the thing they want / not consider it worth the trouble. But at least you'll get why they're saying it)


@Lofty,

Yeah, I understand your concerns! Appreciate you looking out for it.

SZ does not have a match for any of the back-end stuff we checked, the way the various accounts of @Indian Race Troll (IRT) did.

He also has a distinctly black speaking/posting style, that would be difficult to imitate if you weren't black (I spent a few years predominantly socializing with American blacks as a teen/in my early twenties, and the style is recognizable to me).

They also have different issues. There's some overlap with age/college... but in this case, IRT had already graduated college and wanted to find some way to recapture the magic of the fraternity he never joined, to be cool (he didn't care about getting laid much); meanwhile, SZ is actually IN college, as a slightly older guy, and worries that age will hinder him from having a triple-digit lay count.

Personality-wise, SZ actually seems to be thoughtful (at least a bit) when you tell him stuff like "If you're not going to completely throw yourself into PU, having a triple-digit lay objective at the stage you're at is not very realistic. You're going to have to choose." Whereas IRT did not ever seem to express any kind of thoughtfulness/reflection whatsoever.

I'm pretty certain these are different users.

I don't think @Sub-Zero is a troll... though he is definitely a hard case, like a few other guys here are (some of the mods on here still think IRT was also a guy who actually was genuinely working on game and seeing improvement... and he may have been... though the multi-account behavior combined with everything else still puts him easily into the 'troll' category for me).

@Tank on here is a 'hard case guy' too (though to his credit, he approaches more than @Sub-Zero does :D ).

I know a guy personally who is another hard case guy, who has been kicked off of most seduction forums because guys got too frustrated with him (he is not on this one), but whom I have met and who multiple guys I know have gone out gaming with, so we know he is a legit dude, who practices day game, and has for over a decade, and is not weird or anything, and on paper seems like a guy women should be crazy about, but no matter WHAT anyone recommends to him (and he has had many of the top guys in PUA provide heaps of advice to him, including @Karea Ricardus D. and myself) he can never get past his hurdles.

There are these guys out there, who are on seduction forums for years, and make very slow progress, because... why? I don't know. Might be a learning issue, or something in the way they conduct their practice... I feel like I'd have to go out a half dozen times with a guy like this to nail down what it is that isn't working that's responsible for him not being able to break through the walls he hits.

I think IRT was also actually this -- he just went about trying to suck the value out of forums in a very low way, with all the multiple accounts, and was particularly troublesome due to the incessant whining and victim mentality and catastrophizing his various issues.

Chase
That approaching line though.... lmao that was funny, gonna work on that. I appreciate you Chase for real.
 

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@Lofty,

Yeah, I understand your concerns! Appreciate you looking out for it.

SZ does not have a match for any of the back-end stuff we checked, the way the various accounts of @Indian Race Troll (IRT) did.

He also has a distinctly black speaking/posting style, that would be difficult to imitate if you weren't black (I spent a few years predominantly socializing with American blacks as a teen/in my early twenties, and the style is recognizable to me).

They also have different issues. There's some overlap with age/college... but in this case, IRT had already graduated college and wanted to find some way to recapture the magic of the fraternity he never joined, to be cool (he didn't care about getting laid much); meanwhile, SZ is actually IN college, as a slightly older guy, and worries that age will hinder him from having a triple-digit lay count.

Personality-wise, SZ actually seems to be thoughtful (at least a bit) when you tell him stuff like "If you're not going to completely throw yourself into PU, having a triple-digit lay objective at the stage you're at is not very realistic. You're going to have to choose." Whereas IRT did not ever seem to express any kind of thoughtfulness/reflection whatsoever.

I'm pretty certain these are different users.

I don't think @Sub-Zero is a troll... though he is definitely a hard case, like a few other guys here are (some of the mods on here still think IRT was also a guy who actually was genuinely working on game and seeing improvement... and he may have been... though the multi-account behavior combined with everything else still puts him easily into the 'troll' category for me).

Ah, thanks for the clarification, @Chase!

I saw the similarities when reading his past posts and thought that things matched up despite a few differences, as I remembered what @Carousel wrote about IRT taking on an array of identities and his encouragement to be highly aware of these circumstances in the future. It seems as if I was too hasty in this case!

With this in mind, I greatly look forward to seeing the furthered progress of @Sub-Zero!

There's a couple more things that I would like to touch on, though, that led to my skepticism of the account. I think these are important for the purposes of comprehensiveness and closure.

Interestingly, I live in the Deep South (where he claims to be from, just as some of the IRT accounts did) and let's just say that I am very familiar with the various cultures in discussion. Perhaps he is from somewhere much different than where I'm used to, but I found many of his comments to be quite odd and contrary to what my experiences suggest.

Furthermore, the all-too-common contradictions in his posts were really peculiar. For example, he wrote this:
For those who don't know, I'm black and live down south. Thing is there is nothing but white women everywhere and they are pretty much all I see everywhere.

Here is a poster who has persistently complained about the tendencies of black women. If he doesn't see black women, how is he personally interacting with anyone to develop all of his theories? And this is supposedly an area completely lacking in diversity, yet it is developed enough to support club-hopping and a college? None of the Southern metro areas I've been to are like that, and since I actually attend a university in the Deep South as well, I can say that none of the college towns I've been to are like that, either.

And despite everything he says, he claims that somehow he is predominantly matching with black women in spite of his espousals that black women hate black men?

He even contradicts himself further by saying that women only want their "own race" of men but remarkably shares that black women actually give him "the most attraction" regardless of his other comments.

Again, I felt his highly inconsistent behavior was questionable and his claims were not congruent with my own personal experiences nor those of the others on the forum. That's where the IRT connection held some weight, too. Something just seemed off.

Yes, he does occasionally seem thoughtful! But after thanking everyone, his progress never really looks to be shown in his subsequent threads....

@Lofty Sub-zero is not a troll.

Got it, @DarkKnight! Like I said, it appears that I was too rash here in some regards.

But I still think that continued threads like these do more harm than good. I know that @Chase has said something about race having a certain place in seduction, and I don't think that extensive posting on negative-tinged topics are what he meant... especially if these concepts have been repeatedly discussed to the same user with expert advice. From that point, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect a divergence from these topics to those with a more positive outlook?

I mean, he posted this in 2017:
Black women have to be the biggest sellouts of any race or gender, and they're hypocrites, they get so mad when a black guy dates different race women, but they do the same and bash.

Posted this in 2018:
Unless the thread is about something positive about race, maybe how to get a female of a certain race, or helping said race, there's no point. I don't know the black audience here, but how do you think black people would feel if they saw some shit being talked about them on a forum? I don't think that would go well to be honest. If it's helpful advice then cool, but if it's to bash, why? Do you think that's really worth discussion? I feel this is mostly a white forum, so i feel race bashing can easily happen, and you already know how the whole black and white thing goes.

What if I made a post saying why are whites so entitled and bitchy?, or some personal opinion of mine? And when you do that you are saying one race is like that as a whole, when it's not true. I don't think it'll be constructive at all or help me as a man. I honestly feel like girls chase is the only place where I feel all races can come together as men and improve as one. I really don't think about race when I talk to yall, just my bros trying to reach their goals. If I see some type of discussion I don't feel sits well with me, it would change my perception of the people on here. Better to leave it alone unless it's to help someone out and be inspiring.

And he posts this in 2020:
Of course you might say to date other races of women, but I feel if my own is bashing us, then it seems it would be harder for us to date out as well....

1. Will fundamentals overcome women who hate their own race of men?

He may not be a troll... but retaining this mindset (and contradicting himself many times) while spending over half of a decade on a seduction forum where ALL races of men have had proven success with ALL races of women is a bit trollish.

This is the first and last time that I'll ever engage in a topic like this, though! There are much more fun and useful things to talk about - just wanted to weigh in here because something seemed a little strange :p

Oh, and very importantly, I have no personal problem with you @Sub-Zero! You're a veteran of the forum, and I would love to see your success just like everyone else does! I was simply perplexed by what I was reading in your posts, and I'm sure that you can understand that given your discussions here.
Yes, I’ve harped about the age thing, I’ll admit that, but you straight up quoted me saying I don’t give a fuck about frats, and all Irt talked about was joining frats!! All of your quotes of me say fuck frats, how do I get girls without them.
Haha, it seemed that the IRT account would sometimes contradict itself. That's where that came from :)

I was one of the first people who actually thought oh pry had another account on here (peach frustration) but didn’t want to accuse anyone of anything (like you) then he changed the name to Toby and I had no idea that was him until I searched peach frustration’s name.

Well if you did, then maybe he wouldn't have been able to troll over GC as long as he did, and this wouldn't be happening :)

I also have taken the advice that was given to me here as well

If this was true, then this situation wouldn't have happened, either. You repeatedly didn't take much of the advice to improve your mindset, hence why you have the same discussions now as three years ago. That doesn't mean that you turned away everything, but your fundamental issues are still unresolved despite having received plenty of excellent suggestions to ameliorate your mentality and eliminate your limiting beliefs.

Chase has said I’m a hard case guy, I can’t help that, so yes I blame it on luck and I’m pessimistic about it.

Luck :oops:

I get the victim mentality and age thing are similar, but you never heard me bitch about no fuckin frats and college is the end all be all.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Like I said, I saw your various contradictions and the trolling contradictions of IRT. Made a connection with this and the other posting similarities.

Important experience here! I can take away much from this thread, and I hope that you can, too.
 
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