@Lofty,
Yeah, I understand your concerns! Appreciate you looking out for it.
SZ does not have a match for any of the back-end stuff we checked, the way the various accounts of
@Indian Race Troll (IRT) did.
He also has a distinctly black speaking/posting style, that would be difficult to imitate if you weren't black (I spent a few years predominantly socializing with American blacks as a teen/in my early twenties, and the style is recognizable to me).
They also have different issues. There's some overlap with age/college... but in this case, IRT had already graduated college and wanted to find some way to recapture the magic of the fraternity he never joined, to be cool (he didn't care about getting laid much); meanwhile, SZ is actually IN college, as a slightly older guy, and worries that age will hinder him from having a triple-digit lay count.
Personality-wise, SZ actually seems to be thoughtful (at least a bit) when you tell him stuff like "If you're not going to completely throw yourself into PU, having a triple-digit lay objective at the stage you're at is not very realistic. You're going to have to choose." Whereas IRT did not ever seem to express any kind of thoughtfulness/reflection whatsoever.
I'm pretty certain these are different users.
I don't think
@Sub-Zero is a troll... though he is definitely a hard case, like a few other guys here are (some of the mods on here still think IRT was also a guy who actually was genuinely working on game and seeing improvement... and he may have been... though the multi-account behavior combined with everything else still puts him easily into the 'troll' category for me).
Ah, thanks for the clarification,
@Chase!
I saw the similarities when reading his past posts and thought that things matched up despite a few differences, as I remembered what
@Carousel wrote about IRT taking on an array of identities and his encouragement to be highly aware of these circumstances in the future. It seems as if I was too hasty in this case!
With this in mind, I greatly look forward to seeing the furthered progress of
@Sub-Zero!
There's a couple more things that I would like to touch on, though, that led to my skepticism of the account. I think these are important for the purposes of comprehensiveness and closure.
Interestingly, I live in the Deep South (where he claims to be from, just as some of the IRT accounts did) and let's just say that I am very familiar with the various cultures in discussion. Perhaps he is from somewhere much different than where I'm used to, but I found many of his comments to be quite odd and contrary to what my experiences suggest.
Furthermore, the all-too-common contradictions in his posts were really peculiar. For example, he wrote this:
For those who don't know, I'm black and live down south. Thing is there is nothing but white women everywhere and they are pretty much all I see everywhere.
Here is a poster who has persistently complained about the tendencies of black women. If he doesn't see black women, how is he personally interacting with anyone to develop all of his theories? And this is supposedly an area completely lacking in diversity, yet it is developed enough to support
club-hopping and a college? None of the Southern metro areas I've been to are like that, and since I actually attend a university in the Deep South as well, I can say that none of the college towns I've been to are like that, either.
And despite everything he says, he claims that somehow he is
predominantly matching with black women in spite of his espousals that black women hate black men?
He even contradicts himself further by saying that women only want their "own race" of men but remarkably shares that
black women actually give him "the most attraction" regardless of his other comments.
Again, I felt his highly inconsistent behavior was questionable and his claims were not congruent with my own personal experiences nor those of the others on the forum. That's where the IRT connection held some weight, too. Something just seemed off.
Yes, he does occasionally seem thoughtful! But after thanking everyone, his progress
never really looks to be shown in his subsequent threads....
@Lofty Sub-zero is not a troll.
Got it,
@DarkKnight! Like I said, it appears that I was too rash here in some regards.
But I still think that continued threads like these do more harm than good. I know that
@Chase has said something about race having a certain place in seduction, and I don't think that extensive posting on negative-tinged topics are what he meant... especially if these concepts have been repeatedly discussed to the same user with expert advice. From that point, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect a divergence from these topics to those with a more positive outlook?
I mean, he posted this in 2017:
Black women have to be the biggest sellouts of any race or gender, and they're hypocrites, they get so mad when a black guy dates different race women, but they do the same and bash.
Posted this in 2018:
Unless the thread is about something positive about race, maybe how to get a female of a certain race, or helping said race, there's no point. I don't know the black audience here, but how do you think black people would feel if they saw some shit being talked about them on a forum? I don't think that would go well to be honest. If it's helpful advice then cool, but if it's to bash, why? Do you think that's really worth discussion? I feel this is mostly a white forum, so i feel race bashing can easily happen, and you already know how the whole black and white thing goes.
What if I made a post saying why are whites so entitled and bitchy?, or some personal opinion of mine? And when you do that you are saying one race is like that as a whole, when it's not true. I don't think it'll be constructive at all or help me as a man. I honestly feel like girls chase is the only place where I feel all races can come together as men and improve as one. I really don't think about race when I talk to yall, just my bros trying to reach their goals. If I see some type of discussion I don't feel sits well with me, it would change my perception of the people on here. Better to leave it alone unless it's to help someone out and be inspiring.
And he posts this in 2020:
Of course you might say to date other races of women, but I feel if my own is bashing us, then it seems it would be harder for us to date out as well....
1. Will fundamentals overcome women who hate their own race of men?
He may not be a troll... but retaining this mindset (and contradicting himself many times) while spending over half of a decade on a seduction forum where ALL races of men have had proven success with ALL races of women is a bit trollish.
This is the first and last time that I'll ever engage in a topic like this, though! There are much more fun and useful things to talk about - just wanted to weigh in here because something seemed a little strange
Oh, and very importantly, I have no personal problem with you
@Sub-Zero! You're a veteran of the forum, and I would love to see your success just like everyone else does! I was simply perplexed by what I was reading in your posts, and I'm sure that you can understand that given your discussions here.
Yes, I’ve harped about the age thing, I’ll admit that, but you straight up quoted me saying I don’t give a fuck about frats, and all Irt talked about was joining frats!! All of your quotes of me say fuck frats, how do I get girls without them.
Haha, it seemed that the IRT account would sometimes contradict itself. That's where that came from
I was one of the first people who actually thought oh pry had another account on here (peach frustration) but didn’t want to accuse anyone of anything (like you) then he changed the name to Toby and I had no idea that was him until I searched peach frustration’s name.
Well if you did, then maybe he wouldn't have been able to troll over GC as long as he did, and this wouldn't be happening
I also have taken the advice that was given to me here as well
If this was true, then this situation wouldn't have happened, either. You repeatedly didn't take much of the advice to improve your mindset, hence why you have the same discussions now as three years ago. That doesn't mean that you turned away
everything, but your fundamental issues are still unresolved despite having received plenty of excellent suggestions to ameliorate your mentality and eliminate your limiting beliefs.
Chase has said I’m a hard case guy, I can’t help that, so yes I blame it on luck and I’m pessimistic about it.
Luck
I get the victim mentality and age thing are similar, but you never heard me bitch about no fuckin frats and college is the end all be all.
Yeah, I see what you mean. Like I said, I saw your various contradictions and the trolling contradictions of IRT. Made a connection with this and the other posting similarities.
Important experience here! I can take away much from this thread, and I hope that you can, too.