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@Skills

Read Hector's response before assuming trolling.
brother i read the op here is the definition of trolling:

Trolling is the deliberate act of posting inflammatory, insincere, or off-topic messages online to provoke, upset, or bait others into emotional, time-consuming arguments. Often done anonymously on social media or forums for amusement or to cause disruption, trolls aim to elicit strong reactions, manipulate perceptions, or cause harm.


I don't have patience to read block of texts, i like to get to the point, you should know that by now...


It's important to understand the context of why he's doing what he's doing and what the exact changes he's making are.

He's changing the intentions behind the actions-and that's where the real growth is happening.

re - read the post brother.... Again, i love proper, i love you and i love everyone, but sorry man, that shit was uncalibrated....
 

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Re above
TL:DR version - The women are gaming HIM and not the other way around.
that is not what happened, you are minimazing his accomplishment

- hong kong is not a shit hole, its a modern country (if i am correct used to belong to England)
- she is a 10
- she is a flight attendant (so she travels and have access to foreign men)
- he is asian and she is asian (so the white guy in asia advantage no much)

you still have to seduce, there are not freebies.... She did not seduce him, he made it happen... and part of seduction is getting into the right target rich places (this is something i am actually struggling as of last year, all my venues went to total shit), thankfully getting better this last month...
 

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that is not what happened, you are minimazing his accomplishment

- hong kong is not a shit hole, its a modern country (if i am correct used to belong to England)
- she is a 10
- she is a flight attendant (so she travels and have access to foreign men)
- he is asian and she is asian (so the white guy in asia advantage no much)

you still have to seduce, there are not freebies.... She did not seduce him, he made it happen... and part of seduction is getting into the right target rich places (this is something i am actually struggling as of last year, all my venues went to total shit), thankfully getting better this last month...
Welll… he is an American in HK.

I would be fairly sure being American in HK would bump up his SMV and relative status.
Girls would make it a lot easier for him is my point. I understand it’s not a shit hole.

but still American = wealth (and potential Visa) a trip/holiday to America, perhaps a new life in a big house etc etc

Girls ain’t dumb…..they be feeling dis. And make it fairly easy for such a ‘catch’.
 

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And re the sex .
Oh yes .. I’m sure she went OFF in the sack.. they be putting on quite a show there too.

jus’ sayin….not trollin. ‘Girl Game’ is real too.
 

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@Skills ignore me, I am somewhat dyslexic and didn’t read the LR properl 🤦🏻‍♂️ well done @Improper

ps she sounds Hawt , I’m just jealous and also …want pics 😃
 

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I'd be curious to know the pua methods and techniques you discontinued because they were sleazy and salesy and what results you had from those in comparison to the new seduction method and techniques you're using now.

When you say salesy - you mean chasing and over pursuing?
 

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- forcefully telling sexual stories. In fact, we don't EVER TALK ABOUT SEX UNTIL THE PULL.
- secret society or non-judgmental gambits
- kino techniques to get her comfortable with my touch
- talking about something in my apartment to pre-seed the pull
- painting myself as a lover and not a provider
- etc.
I'm assuming he means that stuff.

It's not the examples i'd use, but recently i've also been leaning more towards throwing everything i've personally learnt about game in the trash too lol, just after realising that so many of my better sets are when I DON'T use the 'tech' I read about and more or less just say whatever comes to mind like a 'regular' dude, and often my worst interactions (I had some the other night) are when I DO (for me, i'm mainly talking about 'cold reads', 'teases', 'assumption stacks', and other 'tech'.

My sticking point has always been the 'attraction building' and getting into an actual 2 way conversation etc. I never really struggle with the other stuff. e.g when I open a girl who is clearly into me, I rarely DON'T get laid by just 'being myself'. My issue is that most of the time, i'm kind of talking too a wall after the open and none of the tech has ever helped.)

I guess there's always many different schools of thought. Direct vs indirect, natural vs 'tech'/routines, stoic vs playful etc etc. If you dig deep enough you can even find coaches who disagree massively on things like 'introduce yourself' vs 'never tell her your name unless she asks'
 
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Oh my god guys read Hector's reply.
 

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Background:
I'm in Hong Kong right now. I'm declaring that it's fucking amazing here for me as an Asian American male. As much as we're supposed to think "race is just a concept, don't limit yourself", at the end of the day, racial preferences do exist, and there is a different sexual marketplace clearing price for every type of person in every location. In America, NYC no less, asian women are at the top of the market, and asian men are near the bottom, which just equates to an across the board handicap for an asian male who mostly dates asian women. I was mostly dating 7's in NYC, and the minute I step off the plane I'm dating 9's here. So yes, I can date NYC 9s/10s asian girls if I work really hard to be perfect, but by that point I'd be dating HK 11's. YMMV, this is just my current reality based on who I am and my preferences (looks are subjective at the end of the day), and honestly that's all that matters, just putting this out there in case it's true for others.

All that said, I've also been completely revolutionizing my game with Hector's coaching. Right now we're focused on not being "sales-ey" and being more honest and direct with my sexual intention. The first point is really important. I'm realizing that I'm now throwing out nearly **every** PUA technique/concept that I've learned over the years. This stuff helped me to not be a simp, but it's now holding me back from reaching the highest levels of seduction. The crux of it is that with nearly every PUA technique, we PUA's think we're so smart, and we're "gaming" her psychology. The truth is that women aren't stupid. They know exactly what we're doing. We achieve seduction success DESPITE her feeling "ewww this guy is kinda gross". So the higher level seduction is to not trigger any of these gross feelings, and to display sexiness through implicit subtextual communication and vibe, NOT through weird ass gambits or kino techniques or yes-ladders or literally anything else taught in the PUA world. So I'm gonna shit on a ton of PUA techniques here, but understand that I think they have their place for beginners, but will hold you back from advanced levels.

Hector is a genius. Now let me show you why.

People:
Me: mid-30s asian entrepreneur from America
Her: early 30s Japanese Flight Attendant, B+ cups, very pretty face with minimal makeup, 5'5", very perky butt for a skinny asian girl, very very stylish, like 10-level level style for NYC, above average in Asia

Meet:
So I'm waiting for a friend to grab coffee, but he's 20 minutes late. While waiting outside, I see a stylish asian girl walk up to the store and sit outside. I eye her for a bit, then decide to cold approach her. I open by asking if she's waiting for a late friend too. She says yes, and we chit chat a bit. It turns out she's waiting for a dating app date. I give her a really charming smile, and say "well.... you are absolutely beautiful, can **I** take you on a date sometime?". She smiles and says yes, then we exchange numbers. Then I scoot away from her telling her I don't want to embarass her in front of her date. Her date arrives, and she gives me a little wave goodbye before heading inside.

Texting:
In the vein of "not being too sales-ey", my texting game is 10x better than it was before. The main difference is just literally not doing anything a gross over-eager salesman might do. For example:
- after we greet each other over text, I DONT make my first text an ask to hang out.
- I DONT always ask a question.
- I DO sometimes leave statements and let them sit, not caring if she replies or not.
- I DONT always reply to everything she says. If she says something boring, just ignore it.
- I DONT slip in an "ask out" in the middle/end of a group of messages, as if I'm trying to slip it in without her noticing (SHE WILL NOTICE). The right time to "ask out" is when the conversation naturally dies down a bit.
- I DO keep everything light, casual, non-serious

This texting exchange was the most chase-ey a girl has EVER been to me right from number close. She literally texts me apologizing about leaving me rudely for the other guy, and tells me the other guys sucks, and she won't be seeing him anymore. We very easily arrange to meetup a week later.

First Date:
We meet at some restaurant nearby. And we just have a good conversation and I display interest in getting to know her! That's it!

I don't do ANY of the sleezy PUA techniques I always used to fit in. NONE OF THE FOLLOWING:
- forcefully telling sexual stories. In fact, we don't EVER TALK ABOUT SEX UNTIL THE PULL. Should you talk about sex? Yes, if it's natural. But not talking about sex is BETTER THAN talking about sex unnaturally.
- secret society or non-judgmental gambits
- kino techniques to get her comfortable with my touch (I do a little of this, but there's a VERY FINE LINE to overdo it where she feels like ur doing it on purpose)
- talking about something in my apartment to pre-seed the pull
- painting myself as a lover and not a provider
- etc.

We finish the meal, then walk to a juice bar nearby. At this point I do bury my face in her hair and take a DEEP BREATH of her scent, and get her to lean on me a bit. This felt EXACTLY like an LR four years ago. We then sit down and I put my arm around her shoulder. We chat a bit more. Interestingly, at one point she takes out her phone to show me something on the map. And I see the 3rd message in a row from some simp dude, the top line reads "I really want to see you again ...". She doesn't make any move to swipe it away, nor do I make any acknowledgement of it. We literally just let the notification slide away. At a point of sexual tension, I kiss her (despite the recent article saying u should never do this).

After a few more light makeouts, I decide now's a decent time to attempt the pull. Because we're both comfortable, there are not too many close people nearby, and she's really leaning into me, the vibe is just right. Yes, we're in the middle of a fucking coffee shop, but my intuition tells me this is better right here and now compared to trying to bounce to a new place (and risking her calling it a day), and then trying to pull her during the walk.

Pull:
I'm doing a technique Hector calls the "hard close". Where I summon all my smoothness, and elegant sexiness, and make the pull. The goal here is to display several things at once through subtext and vibe:
- that I'm a smooth confident sexual being, and I WILL give her AMAZING SEX
- that I don't think of this as a "if we have sex, I get my notch and win, u lose cause I tricked you" type of situation. I think of it as, if we have sex, we BOTH WIN.
- that I genuinely like her, and I want the best for me and her and everyone in this world
- that I respect her as a fellow intelligent human being, and I'm not trying to trick her

I stare at her intensely, and SMOOTHLY say "so.........................." look down, away, then turn back, letting the tension BUILD, and say "..... wanna head back to my place?" with a very neutral face, and the slightest smirk.
^^ VERY IMPORTANT. I don't say "maybe we can have a drink back at my place". Or "maybe we can check out XYZ at my place". Or any other lame cover. "head back to my place" plus my piercing penetrating gaze unambiguously means SEX. And I'm not trying to hide it at all.

She pauses, says "oh I don't think so" <- of course. I pause, and reply with a neutral/inquisitive and ABSOLUTELY NOT BUTTHURT "why?". She starts saying something about how she normally doesn't do this.

I don't do the following particularly smoothly, because this is literally the first time I'm trying the "hard close". But I interweave several things in with her responses:
- i understand why women usually want to wait, maybe they've had negative experiences before
- i really like you, and I DEFINITELY want to see you again afterwards
- we would have an amazing time together now, with the implication that it might not happen again
- we don't have to do anything, I would still want to be alone with you, I DEFINITELY want to kiss you some more and hold you.
^^ at that last one, she just goes "okay!". Then we just walk 5 minutes to my hotel room. During the walk, I hold her hand, and am just very romantic, to reward her choice of letting herself be seduced, by being a romantic seducer!

^^ TBH this "hard close" is the weakest part of my seduction. I need to get wayyy better at this.

Escalation:
Back at my place, I have some light music playing already. We kiss and hold each other deeply while we take off our shoes. Then she uses the bathroom. Then I use the bathroom. When I come out, she's leaning against my window, with her butt slightly sticking out. It's literally a PERFECT ESCALATION WINDOW. I walk slowly behind her, and grind on her lightly while she moans. Then I look out the window with her, and we talk about what we see. Then we kiss. Then I ask if she wants to lay down.

We go down on the bed, and kiss/spoon/feel each other some more. It's honestly so enjoyable, I do this longer than I should (15-20 minutes), because I FEEL LIKE IT, and IM IN NO RUSH, and I'm trying to build up the tension as much for my own enjoyment as for the seduction.

At some point, I reach down to her underwear, she's wearing a beautiful thong. I start rubbing her pussy through the thong, and she moans. After a little of this, I move the thong aside and rub her pussy and lightly insert a finger. She starts stroking my dick. After a nice 5 minutes of this, I turn her over onto her stomach, and penetrate her from behind raw.

So, ZERO LMR.

Sex:
Sex is 10 out of 10. Among the best I've ever had. We go for FOUR HOURS. Admittedly we spoon and she falls asleep with my dick inside her for about half an hour of this, and then we wake up and fuck again and again, and go take a shower and fuck some more then I tell her to clean my dick with her mouth. She gives me an amazing blowjob and tells me she loves doing this. I thought about pulling a Hector and telling her to text the simp back while I ram her doggystyle, but didn't find the right moment. P.S. Hector tells me this would have been bad energy, and he needs to rewrite his book to leave a warning here.

Why is sex with her a 10 out of 10?
- super SUPER TIGHT asian pussy
- no smells. No bad breath, no body odor, no pussy smells, no perfume, just all natural healthy asian girl smell
- super perky tight butt
- beautiful face to look at
- fairly lean, no extra fat
- she's completely shaved (kinda rare for Japanese girls)
- absolutely HEAVENLY moans (I don't like the almost crying of torture moaning that a lot of FOB asian girls do, watch some porn from asia to see). It sounds like I'm PENETRATING AN ANGEL with each thrust. I *almost* enjoy her moans MORE than I enjoy her tight pussy.
- the best counter movement I've ever experienced. With every thrust missionary, she angles her pelvis so I can get deeper, with doggystyle she pushes into me as much as I thrust into her, when riding cowgirl she actually "rides"!, when doing prone doggy, she pushes her butt up with every thrust so I get deeper

She can't believe how long I last (literally rock hard for 4+ hours), and can't believe how good my dick feels, and keeps telling me this throughout. This is clearly the best sex she's ever had. I'm not gonna say I'm the best at sex in the world, but I'll say I'm pretty good, and that combined with the perfect fairy tale seduction she felt, made her totally melt into the moment.

Reflections:
  • This was the best seduction I've ever done. I feel that every past seduction succeeded IN SPITE of me being a gross sleezeball PUA salesman throughout, and her just deciding "fuck it, I'm horny, this guy is a bit gross, but at least he's less gross than the other guys, he'll do"
  • As a woman, you either experience:
    • A) a nice innocent simp, who isn't a sleezeball intentionally, but is dishonest in his own way (being nice when u really wanna fuck is sleeze itself), and just not gonna make u wet at all
    • B) an asshole PUA who might make u a bit wet, but is just GROSS. Anti-slut defense is actually less about purity/societal judgment, it's ACTUALLY more about wanting to vomit cause this guy thinks ur a dumb whore and thinks his super-obvious gross tactics are actually working on u. And u feel disgusted that ur still gonna sleep with him despite that, how little are u worth???
    • I managed to give her a male unicorn experience today. A sexy guy who isn't a sleezeball. Not just that, but also the best sex in her life, and honestly I don't think she'll meet another guy for the rest of her life who will give her a better experience than today.
  • Today was also one of the best days of MY LIFE too. Yes, I had amazing four hour sex with a hot Japanese flight attendant on the first date in a foreign city, which is FUCKING AMAZING by itself, but what adds onto that to make it one of my best days is:
    • I'm so SOOOO happy to GIVE HER a once-in-a-lifetime wonderful non-sleezy seduction experience
    • today was possible not because I was born tall or handsome or rich. I was not born into any of those things. Today was the culmination of DECADES of work. More specifically:
      • learning (and recently unlearning) PUA seduction for over 10 years
      • working super hard at my job, saving tons of money and investing it all, taking a serious risk to become an entrepreneur, struggling deeply through that and finally acquiring the time/location/financial freedom to be able to travel to a foreign city and plop down for a whole month
      • paying Hector hard-earned money from above, and then working HARD through his coaching sessions for the past year to completely reconstitute who I am, not just as a seducer, but as a person. I'm now a kinder, more empathetic, emotional, fuller human being.
      • specifically, Hector often praises me for two things I do better than most of his other students:
        • a willingness to take DEEP PAINFUL feedback, and literally cut down my identity to the core wherever it sucks, and rebuild it from the ground up
        • the balls to fucking full-send it. Most of his students pussy out when he tells them to do something embarassing or difficult.
      • all this to say, having this reward today was infinitely sweeter because I worked so hard for it.
Honestly, this is a 10/10 report!
Concise, straight to the point, but fairly detailed and insightful on your strenghts and sticking points.
Masterfully done my man, it's clear the coaching is working.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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Welll… he is an American in HK.

I would be fairly sure being American in HK would bump up his SMV and relative status.
Girls would make it a lot easier for him is my point. I understand it’s not a shit hole.

but still American = wealth (and potential Visa) a trip/holiday to America, perhaps a new life in a big house etc etc

Girls ain’t dumb…..they be feeling dis. And make it fairly easy for such a ‘catch’.

You are aware that Hong Kong is one of the world's wealthiest places, and more wealthy than most places in the US?

Prices in HK are equivalent to Switzerland, London and NYC.

-Teevster
 

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You are aware that Hong Kong is one of the world's wealthiest places, and more wealthy than most places in the US?

Prices in HK are equivalent to Switzerland, London and NYC.

-Teevster
Yessss of course.

And this hot chick works as a *Flight Attendant *??

Aka a trolley dolly/ waitress in the sky.

I know a fair few flight attendants her in Aus
They work the international routes via UEA Dubai and Doha etc

Quite a few are casual GFs of rich Arab businessmen there . It is a thing. 😃

IDK tbh how hot chicks in HK view American Enrepreneur Asian Americans ..

Just sayin tho ,,, it could be a Factor.
 

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@Teevster see reply above

also another point, this hot flight attendant is *Japanese .. which further mixes up things 😆

(Btw , check out my recent post in the general section from an experience last night talking to 2 cougars about Tantric Sex.. be keen to hear your opinions and experience on that thread also , thanks !)
 

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@Teevster reply #3 ( see 2 more above)

Also a further aside
I’m tuning 3 Japanese chicks on Hinge atm.
Getting 2 to the date stage now w minimal texting…(yay)

I’ve heard from Player friends who have been to Japan or have been w Japanese girls this:

a high% Japanese girls love white tourist guys when they travel there and the girls will actually open these guys in Japan and make it fair easy for him . Albeit they are still a lil traditional, typically requiring a dinner date /drink date firstly and putting out on a date 2 . (Generally) or so I hear.

not sure how they view Asian Americans but could be a similar story.

not knocking Impropers post in any way tho, just relaying some information/opinion here 😎

and I am also leaning more towards a minimal /honest sexual style on Hinge currently too. 👍 (As I’m spending way too much time chatting and gaming matches, it’s exhausting)
It seems more and more it is indeed the way to go.
 

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Yessss of course.

And this hot chick works as a *Flight Attendant *??

Aka a trolley dolly/ waitress in the sky.

I know a fair few flight attendants her in Aus
They work the international routes via UEA Dubai and Doha etc

Quite a few are casual GFs of rich Arab businessmen there . It is a thing. 😃

IDK tbh how hot chicks in HK view American Enrepreneur Asian Americans ..

Just sayin tho ,,, it could be a Factor.

Flight attendants who are provider-hunting in Hong Kong would go for an American guy who - by default, all things considered - is likely no wealthier than an average Hong Kong resident?

I don’t follow the logic. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Hong Kong is great for the nightlife, culture and all that. I would love to pick up there, but I do not see it as a place where it is pussy free, or even a place I would consider westerner to have a significant advantage.

Hong Kong isn’t Thailand.

As for Dubai and the UAE: the transactional nature of sex and money there is far more explicit. Heck, they even import women from Scandinavia - who aren’t exactly known for gold-digging. So, I do not consider this a viable analogy.

However, I would add that Japanese girls like westerners is primarily because they are considered a hot stereotype (Japanese are weird, and pretty shy when it comes to women - Western men are deemed more sexually dominant due to cultural factors). It has nothing to do with the provider element.

-Teevster
 

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Flight attendants who are provider-hunting in Hong Kong would go for an American guy who - by default, all things considered - is likely no wealthier than an average Hong Kong resident?
Yeah but .. OP is not chinese.
Maybe she doesn’t like Chinese men much.
He’s a foreigner. American Asian.
I don’t follow the logic. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Hong Kong is great for the nightlife, culture and all that. I would love to pick up there, but I do not see it as a place where it is pussy free, or even a place I would consider westerner to have a significant advantage.
Really.. ? Hmm ok never been.
I’ve been to Singapore maybe it’s similar. Sounds like it.
But again she’s not Chinese …she’s from Japan!
Hong Kong isn’t Thailand.

As for Dubai and the UAE: the transactional nature of sex and money there is far more explicit. Heck, they even import women from Scandinavia - who aren’t exactly known for gold-digging. So, I do not consider this a viable analogy.

Yes HK isn’t Thailand ,
And Japan is not Thailand. But tbh Japan is closer to it than HK with their attraction to foreigners I’d bet.

chick is Japanese, not Chinese /HK resident.

Flight attendants are in the air and country hopping all the time for work. She’s a transient/transplant , not typical HK girl etc.

iDK how Japanese flight attendants view Asian Americans, and ones who are entrepreneurs like the OP.
I don’t know how much cash op is flashing /how he dresses etc, Yknow? Hard to say really his relative value to this woman.
However, I would add that Japanese girls like westerners is primarily because they are considered a hot stereotype (Japanese are weird, and pretty shy when it comes to women - Western men are deemed more sexually dominant due to cultural factors). It has nothing to do with the provider element.

-Teevster
See above.
To me ‘Entrepreneur’ =money (and hence status tbh). 🤷🏻‍♂️
Maybe he wears designer suits , wears a Rolex and has a wallet full of cash and platinum credit cards .. unknown.
 

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@Teevster
my reply above is a bit all Over the place.

I guess TL:DR

she’s Japanese. Not Chinese , so the points re Hong Kong culture, women etc can be thrown out the window more or less.
She’s just ‘stationed’ in Hong Kong. And afaik Japanese and Chinese don’t like each other much.

Also you mentioned Japanese attracted to Westerner Men cos stereotypes . - OP is western man :)

Kinda need to know what OP dresses like, and if he is obviously ‘high status’ finance wise tbh.

ime flight attendants like to have reasonably wealthy BFs at their flight stations or destinations/ routes. So they can be pampered while they are there.
 

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@Teevster
my reply above is a bit all Over the place.

I guess TL:DR

she’s Japanese. Not Chinese , so the points re Hong Kong culture, women etc can be thrown out the window more or less.
She’s just ‘stationed’ in Hong Kong. And afaik Japanese and Chinese don’t like each other much.

Also you mentioned Japanese attracted to Westerner Men cos stereotypes . - OP is western man :)

Kinda need to know what OP dresses like, and if he is obviously ‘high status’ finance wise tbh.

ime flight attendants like to have reasonably wealthy BFs at their flight stations or destinations/ routes. So they can be pampered while they are there.
You're talking out your ass, trying to explain in your own terms how he seduced her by focusing on nationality and status.

The fact that she's Japanese and he's Asian-American and they're in Hong Kong and she's an airline hostess and he's an entrepreneur does not explain the seduction. It's just the backdrop on which it took place.

This is a narrow line of thinking that does nothing to help you in the long run.

More importantly, why do you care? Even if you think you "solved the puzzle" of how he seduced her by reading it though these stereotypes, how does that benefit you?
 

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You're talking out your ass, trying to explain in your own terms how he seduced her by focusing on nationality and status.
Woahhh. Easy pardner
The fact that she's Japanese and he's Asian-American and they're in Hong Kong and she's an airline hostess and he's an entrepreneur does not explain the seduction. It's just the backdrop on which it took place.
Ah well . I’m asserting that it actually, very much. does explain it at the ‘tranactionsl’ level of what’s going on.
This is a narrow line of thinking that does nothing to help you in the long run.

More importantly, why do you care? Even if you think you "solved the puzzle" of how he seduced her by reading it though these stereotypes, how does that benefit you?.

It’s a Reality Check bro. It’ll help him in the longer run.

And Yknow it’s to Analyse, dissect, look at it from various angles , various frames.

It’s my perspective he has blinkers on at the moment to what may be actually occurring.
. Not throwing shade on the guy.
Just proposing a new context of this seduction . Another frame /level/lens to look at it. And asking questions also.

I’ve been through this many times on the journey to getting new results and new ‘levels’. We all get a bit excited and perhaps over excited when we get a new result. And extrapolate things in perhaps the wrong direction.

I was just did a voice recording earlier to further get into this post in depth. But don’t think it’s allowed to post up such a thing. I have a lot to say on it.
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TL:DR In essence his seduction was ‘Minimal Game’ . He describes it as a ‘Fairy Tale Seduction’. I think he’s getting carried away basically in his thibking , after getting some hot foreign pussy , on vacation a foreign country .

for a parallel - I pulled a Finnish tourist chick in Thailand after meeting her in a bar/club w her mate (and my wing )

My awesome and powerful advanced ‘Minimal Game’ consisted mainly of me poking and grinding her vagina through her dress with my rock hard fat boner while we were dancing . With very much aroused her.

And led me to taking her down to the beach an hour or two later that evening and fucking her in the doggy position, (and scratching her knees quite badly)

so .. did I hit a new upper level of Seduction there? Ought I now throw all my Toolbox of ‘Salesman esque ‘ PUA tactics and techniques in the bin?

do you get my point or nah.
 

Brassfaced_Jim

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@Atlas IV and @Improper also
Let me put it another way.amd simplify the seduction and OP.

the Approach-
improper spots a hot chick. She tells him she’s dating at the moment.
He compliments her and gets her number.

the texting -
Improper runs good text game
Reminds me of the principles of Brent Smith . Does not overpursue, over communicate. Great. Props to Improper! Chick lets Improper know she’s still available (her date was shit / didn’t like the guy)

The date.
Improper takes chick out to dinner. (Fancy restaurant ? Unknown)

Improper bounces chick to a juice bar.
Chick lets improper know she’s into him.
Improper throws arm over shoulder, and make out. Cool.

Improper Bounces chick to cafe
Chick lets improper know she’s into him and keep proceeding , re her behaviour.
-Improper directly makes the proposition of his hotel as next bounce.
- chick gives token resistance
- improper gives 4 (?) reasons to overcome her objection , the last being the main reason (and probably only reason ) he actually needed. “Plausibly Deniability”.
Off they go together to hotel.

The Sex:
At the hotel , the chick waits for Improper to make a move.
He does.
They have sex.
She seems very into it indeed and helps out.
does her beat sex moves.
It’s the best sex she’s ever had ImProper reckons. (Subjective opinion)

End.

So does that seem like a ‘perfect fairy tale seduction’ looking at it that way? (Stripped of all the bells and whistles)

Or does it seem like a fairly common-sensey ,straightforward , almost vanilla sequence of events of a chick and a dude interacting that leads to sex at the dudes Hotel .where he is staying while he is visiting on Vacation.

I mean Is there even any ‘Game’ or seduction to this at all? Or is the dude doing mental gymnastics?


you tell me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

To me, it’s about as bog standard a hookup as it gets. But that’s just to me.
 

Teevster

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So to summarize my points:

1. A flight attendant does usually not hunt for providers (unless from a very poor country) or anything long term, especiallt when they are simply stationed somewhere for a fixed amount of time as a result of their job.

2. Americans are not seen as rich and sexy no more in my most countries. This is just not the case. This is not no hate on americans. Just stating a fact.

3. Hong Kong is wealthier than most of places on the US. Locals there are rich and thus seem better providers (if, the girl waw in fact provider hunting- which I believe was not).

4. Japanese girls are not exactly poor either. So unlikely to hunt for providers.

5. Op is asian-american, so racially (I hate bringing this up) he likely is not really much a novelty in most east asian countries look wise.

I do not agree with all of OPs views on game, but his report is tight and is a result of good game.

And it is such a shame that KJs and trolls try to play the "he was x card" to discredit someone's lay.

It is disgusting, and I hope my break down has showcased how far someone can go in pulling out none-sense.
 
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