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Admonitions of the Asian Babe

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This is the timeline of me, the average Asian babe - petite stature, average face (cute in American standards, but nothing special in Asia), great smile, C cups, BWH - 36-26-38, somewhat muscular but could lose 8 more pounds of fat, an engineer and artist with a tenacious heart that desires purpose, passion and meaning in this life...Anyways:

Origin

My father was once a monk, then a priest until he met a SHB - my mother. They were both immigrants. She was the kind of beauty in school whom all the boys wrote love letters about, and several at a time would follow her on their bicycles just to watch her get home safe. After about 24 years of marriage and several children later, they got divorced. My father was caught cheating - emotionally at least. He was writing letters to a woman he claimed was his "cousin", but my mother eventually found the letters and they were definitely anything but platonic.

After they divorced, a man spotted my mother walking in the mall while he was stationed in the area. He kind of followed her and found out she worked at a salon, decided to get a haircut there and specifically requested her. They started dating and later married within a year and he became my step father. Then we all moved out of state along with some of my brothers. My father later remarried a different woman who couldn't hold a candle to my mother. He developed a gambling problem partially due to that woman's influence. It got so bad that he had to drain my college savings account to stay afloat..


Childhood

I was conditioned to not care too much about boys growing up, only to focus on my studies, sports, art, and occasionally friends, anime and videogames. I grew up in a predominantly white suburb. Quite a few classmates made fun of my Asian looks. My parents were extremely strict and protective of me as I was the only daughter, keeping me in a private school bubble until college and sheltering me while they were far more lenient of my older brothers who went to public schools and brought different girls home every weekend. My brothers later settled down, got married/engaged, and had children. And they had successful careers and good attitudes I looked up to.

Eventually I blossomed into a decent looking woman, and those same boys who once made fun of my eyes started noticing me. Funnily enough, two of them mostly date Asians now and one of them is married to one.


Losing my Virginity

It all started my senior year of high school. I met a guy through my family's church youth group who was 4 years older than me. A handsome football/rugby player others said resembled a young Matt Damon and his step father was a navy chaplain. My parents didn't allow me to date till my senior year. Even then, we weren't allowed to sleep in the same room when he was over. But of course, we found ways to sneak in intimacy.

He was already half a virgin when we met. His last ex was also Vietnamese like me and it was obvious he had an affinity towards Asian girls. After a month of attending this youth group, we naturally grew very close through subtle kino and emotional connection. Our first date was ice skating - he wasn't a great kisser although he was my first kiss. After 2 weeks, we made it official.

We were supposed to wait till marriage to have sex but we know how that can go - we did everything except intercourse. After 7 months of dating, we lost our virginity to each other when we had some time home alone. 2 pumps and he was done. I'd watched porn but I didn't know what to expect for my first time. It was underwhelming and a bit awkward. Eventually with more experience and advice he had taken from his more experienced friend - a coast guard/fraternity boy, the sex got better. And we started doing anal.

But I wasn't so sure his friend was a great influence for him, or me. He took us and my lady friends to MIT frat parties. He dared me to make out with my friends - which wasn't so bad. They said I was good kisser. But slowly I felt like I was being corrupted, and at the same time broadening my horizons.


College

When I was a freshman, an ROTC student in my classes and labs seemed to take a liking to me. He was quite handsome and funny but I was a good girl, and still very loyal to my youth group sweetheart. It seemed friendly for a while, but he kept sitting next to me in every lecture. Then asked to study with me in the library rooms. But there was tension - both awkward and sexual. Then he finally admitted one day that he and his friend were talking about me and said "You have the finest Asian body we've ever seen.." I laughed out of flattery, and kind of dismissed it. He kept persisting with kino every study session and one time he placed his hand on my thigh. He was 10 years older than me, so I felt slightly uncomfortable. Then one day he told me he thought about how I'd look naked. That's when I drew the boundary and distanced myself from him. I don't care if he looks like Captain America, he had a gorgeous SHB girlfriend as his laptop wallpaper he said he was dating for 4 years...Why risk it for the freshman? He was chasing novelty and looking to satiate an insatiable desire.

After a few years of dating my youth group sweetheart, I broke up with him. And I felt terrible about it. He said he wanted to marry me and dreamed of having children with me. It was a relatively good first relationship, but I knew I was outgrowing him. He wasn't the brightest bulb in the shed either but he was a kind man. However, he started drinking more and got high more often and I wasn't a big fan of getting hammered with him or his friends. He also got weirdly jealous whenever another guy would make me laugh - he even said "If he's so funny, why don't you just marry him?" Like what the hell, who says that? His insecurity turned me off so much.

Then I met a man who would eventually become my next boyfriend. He was a bit of a player - he joined the Asian culture club mainly to meet cute Asians. I was the first one he was keenly interested in because of my physique. He was very good looking, charismatic, smart and outgoing - a transfer student from a prominent engineering school. He had already been with well over 30 girls by the time he met me, who had a body count of 1. He was the type of guy who would make out with random girls in the club whenever he liked. I was the girl who preferred staying at home, or going to the library, gym, biking outside or exploring downtowns.

We started off as friends with benefits, preferring to keep it casual for a while but I obviously grew attached to him. But one day, he decided to go for another girl who later kind of ruined him through physical and verbal abuse. They dated on and off for a year-ish, and during their off phases, he would go back to playing with me. I felt like the backup/background girl. It didn't feel great but I really cared about him and chose to wait around and be there for his emotional support because I had sensed something was off/bad about that girl. One day, when he finally decided to break things off with her for good (after she destroyed one of his expensive things), she starved herself, stalked and begged him to get back together. The situation got so bad that the campus police had to escort her off campus. She was suspended, went to court and this delayed her graduation.

This was a heavy situation so I wasn't immediately comfortable getting into a serious relationship with him. He said he loved me, and that he should've chosen me all along because I was always kind, patient and caring with him. I took some time away from him to explore my sexuality for a bit. I slept with a math major/gymnast, and then a neuroscience PhD student/lab instructor. But my mind and my heart kept going back to him. So when we got together again, we made it official and met each other's parents.

Post-College

..To Be Continued..
 
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Post-College

My parents who were Christian already didn't like the fact that my boyfriend was an atheist. My brothers, step brothers, and friends weren't a big fan of him either. Although he was charismatic and extremely confident, sometimes he comes off as too cocky or arrogant to others. I was still a somewhat shy and sensitive girl, so for me he was inspiring and I try to always see the good in people, giving them the benefit of the doubt. I knew him better than others. He also learned to be gentle with me so I really appreciated that. I attempted to prove my family and friends wrong, kept defending him and showing them that he is really a great person to be around.

I like to believe that what we had was real love. We had already been through quite a bit together with our on/off phases. They say if you love something, set it free. If it's meant to be, they'll return to you. So we kept returning to each other. But I didn't realize until way later that whenever you break up and get back together, you crack the foundation you've been trying to build each time too... You try to repair it like kintsugi - filling in the cracks with gold, trying to make it beautiful again but then it becomes more fragile and brittle the more times you break it. Having a consistent, unwavering, strong foundation is really ideal. But reality doesn't usually meet your ideal expectations - that's why we eventually settle for what's good enough when the timing is convenient right?

My mother re-connected with an old friend who separated from her during the Vietnam war. They offered to take us to France for free. So we went and got engaged in Paris. He proposed to me while we were at dinner over the Seine river. We moved in together and remained engaged for about 2 years - planning a small intimate wedding. We thought it was the logical next step, and it would also win the approval of our parents who did not approve of living together while not being married.

Neither of us wanted kids though. We were still young and wanted to do more traveling and spend ample time with our friends because we noticed that the ones who got married and had kids usually became pretty distant because family comes first.


Pivoting to Agnosticism/Non-duality

I've always had doubts about organized religion, especially Christianity since my first boyfriend. They even taught us Latin and Greek to translate the Bible in it's original texts, and in Apologetics class we were taught how to defend our faith whenever we were challenged by outside perspectives. But they also encouraged staying in this Christian bubble throughout life, and recommended attending Christian colleges, so as to be tempted less by worldly desires/atheism/etc. I always felt something was very off about this, which is why I ended up attending public university to broaden my horizons. If they really want to encourage us to seek the truth, then we should be encouraged to explore and study every type of religion and beliefs we can. My teachers and youth pastors instead tried to convince us that there is only one true religion, dismissing every aspect of other systems and beliefs. This didn't align with me. And it seemed like a system that didn't work out so well with them to be honest...

I found out my pastor had a long affair/scandal and so he stepped down from the church and another pastor took over. This kept happening in churches my family went to, and my parents were church-hoppers so we kept switching to different churches but I kept attending the same youth group for a bit (different youth group from the first boyfriend though). That pastor's son was the youth leader/pastor. He was engaged to a beautiful woman but he would weirdly flirt and tease women in our youth group - including me.

Youth Leader: "Why do you like white guys? Why not Asian men?"
Me: "Well, I don't know. I grew up in mostly white suburbs. Very few Asian guys around who were attractive to me. And I had many brothers, so my preference was to be with someone that looks different and has a different culture from me."
Youth Leader: "You know, I had a Vietnamese ex-girlfriend.."

And he mentioned how Anna Akana is really hot, etc. I was like okay, why is he telling me this...He's not attracted to me right? But he's complimented, flirted, and teased me about things. Maybe he's just flirty and playful and means no harm? I was still engaged at this point to the atheist. Still, I suspected something was wrong and sensed things weren't all peachy keen between the youth leader and his fiancée. It turns out I was right. After a while, I found out he eventually cheated on his fiancée with another woman when I was becoming better friends with his fiancée and became more distant from the youth leader. He later messaged me something about being bothered that I was closer with her than him - maybe self-conscious and suspects his ex told me the truth about him? Anyways, I stopped being his friend. His ex was really genuine and very cool though so we kept hanging out.

But this got me thinking - why do some of our role models turn out to be the same ones who do the very things we don't approve of? Why wasn't Christianity as effective as my teachers taught it to be? And then I thought of some quotes by Carl Jung: "The brighter the light, the darker the shadow" and "Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is." This makes sense - the pastor and youth leader really tried to hide and reject their shadow in their conscious life instead of accepting it and it eventually took over their impulses. So then what is the cure? Humans are never perfect. I don't think I'll ever be perfect. But we can keep trying and trying, and not give up on that I suppose...No maybe we just need to find ways to keep the shadow in balance while co-existing with it. Jung also says "That which we do not bring to consciousness appears in our lives as fate.”

I later denounced myself and rejected Christianity, and aligned myself more closely with Agnosticism and the concept of non-duality. It seemed like the only things that worked for me. This was just my experience. (Please do your own research to come to your own conclusions if you are questioning your beliefs. I'm not here to convert anyone or get them to believe something different. Do what you think works best for you.)


Ending the Engagement

..To Be Continued..
 
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Ending the Engagement

So why would I end an engagement 2 years after saying yes? Well for one I was still young and somewhat naive (22), my prefrontal cortex was not fully developed and I don't think it was the best decision even if it felt right for a time. I also thought about how I would fit into his family - they were accepting of me but again they were also extremely conservative and maybe had mafia ties lol. There were plenty of other reasons - maybe I was afraid of making another huge mistake. Maybe I hadn't experienced enough of life yet to settle down and felt I was missing out on something. Another reason is I felt we were growing too co-dependent and I often start losing parts of myself when this happens due to compromising and suppressing too much of my needs. I naturally adapt and people-please to a fault. Around the 5-6 year mark is also when I really started to re-evaluate the relationship. I had the discussion with him, and we decided to end the engagement and open the relationship towards the end so we could explore our sexuality again. Now I wouldn't say he was fully bisexual, but he did like making out with dudes too, among other things (pegging, etc), and I was fully supportive of his happiness. I've only made out with girls but I'm probably 70% hetero? I like girl-on-girl action more so because it turns on my man and seeing him enjoy it turns me on too. I love drawing and admiring a woman's beauty also - how could you not love beautiful women?

Anyways after that relationship fizzled out amicably, I soon found myself a FWB - he was 10 years older than me and we met through some mutuals who played TCG games. He was also an engineer, and extremely caring and passionate - maybe one of my best lovers. The sex was always so passionate and fulfilling, he came from a more liberal family, and he never pressured me to commit to anything serious. We really enjoyed it for what it was, and he was also a great friend who I could talk to about most things.

Every now and then my FWB will still reach out and check in on me and tell me he misses me even though I decided I couldn't see him whenever I got into a committed relationship again. At present, I haven't seen him in over 7 years but I guess he will be an impermanent connection if I am ever single again. I really think he should just move on though.

Casual STRs, then an LTR, then Engaged again -> Marriage

I was single for about a year after ending things with my college sweetheart. I tried to see a few men casually until they became head over heels for me and again the clarity hit that I did not want to be with those men long term because there was always something missing and I honestly needed some more time to myself to move on from my past.

Then one day through family friends, I met a guy who would later become my husband. We didn't even know each other existed, yet were only 10 minutes apart. We even attended the same family friends' wedding but we were at different stages in life then and were very much invisible to each other. He knew some of my family already through school and martial arts and pretty much had their prior approval. We're both introverted though so it's no wonder it took a very long time to meet each other.

He said the timing was too perfect for him. He had been single for about a year too and he had a similar experience with his ex so we both kind of bonded over that. He was feeling pretty down and almost hopeless before he met me, and said he asked the universe for a sign, and not even a second later, our family friend texted him to tell him I was single and ready to mingle/emotionally available again. I told them they could give him my number and that we could meet.

..To Be Continued..
 

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@AsianBabe69

I'm curious about you - as I'm sure many posters are - why are you here?

And I don't mean that in some territorial "What are YOU doing on OUR turf" kind of way. I think you add a lot here. If I had some idea of your motivations, it would be easier for me to positively interact with you.

And I like that.
 

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I'm curious about you - as I'm sure many posters are - why are you here?

And I don't mean that in some territorial "What are YOU doing on OUR turf" kind of way. I think you add a lot here. If I had some idea of your motivations, it would be easier for me to positively interact with you.

And I like that.
Great question.

I think I'm here to:

- bridge my gap of misunderstanding and fix my biases about men/get advice from men. I have plenty of female friends I could get opinions from but they have their own biases and it's refreshing to read about men's perspectives here. My lady friends would probably say "nonooo don't help the men seduce us" when the global fertility rate has been declining...

- find out what it is I truly want and need in order to have satisfying relationships, or if I should be a lone wolf who occasionally sleeps with men - minimizing hurting anyone else and detaching from societal expectations.

- and maybe I'm still hung up over someone who used to be in the community and trying to figure out why they still have this effect on me...

I'm glad if any of my input is helpful! I'm not here to troll on men nor undermine seduction in any way. I love men and I want to find the truth and expand my knowledge - and to do that I need to see both sides.
 
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- find out what it is I truly want and need in order to have satisfying relationships,

Thanks so much for answering.

As you could see in the "Chase's article about the future ..." thread, among other places, satisfying relationships are something that many people here - and the forum in general -struggle with.
 

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@Jamster Alfalfa - you traitor!


I'd post the 1937 version but that's before even your time... [angel emoji] I jest... Very grateful our board has two proverbial grandpas.

@AsianBabe69 I can't really engage much on the forum for another week or so... I will be back with questions, but I was wondering the same...

Like are you preparing for single life? Otherwise you are in the 7 year relationship and still hung up on another guy? I saw the one penis policy... Was hoping for LR's of you picking up chicks.

Regardless, agreed with the above... Relationships are under discussed, as well as general female psychology. I think we owe it to ourselves to discuss uncomfortable stuff, especially surrounding sex. It's very rare to have a place online where we can do that. Big ups to Chase et al. for giving us a "safe space" lol a term he makes fun of...

Big disclaimer...

 

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Like are you preparing for single life?
No but I accept whatever my fate will be.


Otherwise you are in the 7 year relationship and still hung up on another guy?
Yeah I'm questioning if my relationships/jobs have a max shelf life of 7-8 years.. Because I notice I start looking/itching for something else when things become stagnant in both career/relationships around the 5-7 year mark.


Was hoping for LR's of you picking up chicks.
Well maybe if I was still hanging out with D20, we would've picked up some new chicks by now to play with.. :cry: Otherwise, I don't travel much, which is usually when I find more opportunities. The last girl I kissed - a hot latina babe had a boyfriend but he didn't approve of anything further than kissing her haha.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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Is D20 the PUA guy you're hung up on, or was that the liberal guy from before the current relationship? Or someone else

I'm guessing you decided not to have kids? There's an article called the 2 year drop that might be a good read.

That's why I was surprised at the 7 year relationship.
 

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Is D20 the PUA guy you're hung up on, or was that the liberal guy from before the current relationship? Or someone else
..I'll let you figure that out on your own. ;)

I'm guessing you decided not to have kids? There's an article called the 2 year drop that might be a good read.
I'm debating on it - probably biological and my body is like "but this guy has more compatible genes" because he smells the best. And he told me "Only 1 out of every 20 girls smells this good to me." And yeah read that article, it's on par.
 

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Continuation of my timeline:

Marriage

Everything seemed to flow almost effortlessly with him and he was more handsome in person than the pictures my friend showed me. He was gentle, he was kind, nerdy, and he was patient and consistent. He was also wrapping up grad school with a respectable career lined up. Our goals seemed to align with each other, and we both had similar low body counts which might've allowed us to more easily pair bond. Everything seemed good on paper. The sex was great too but eventually came an emotional disconnect that was not clear to me until after we got married...

Most of our relationship was built during pandemic which seemed to fast forward our pacing. We dated for about a year, and then were engaged for about 5 months, and then had a small courthouse wedding. Rings and outfits were taken care of by my family, all we had left to pay for was the courthouse fees/marriage license.

And then we moved across the country together where he got a job offer and I continued working remote. Things seemed too good to be true. Later, I found there was a level of emotional disconnect during physical intimacy once his mask came off and his default state was revealed. I brought this up to him and he shared that many of his past partners complained about the same thing with him, and that it isn't possible for him to change. The upside to his emotional numbness/his diagnosed Depersonalization-Derealization Disorder (DPDR) was that he would very rarely ever get angry with me, but he also could never cry. But this explains how he's able to stay so calm and unaffected by things that would aggravate most people.

But after a few more years, this started affecting me and I found myself mentally/emotionally checking out due to the disconnect.


Temptation + Infidelity

My husband is pretty introverted, but A LOT more introverted than me. I made new friends easily, and he said as long as he had me and one other friend, he was content but he did not want to make much effort branching out because his career was already physically demanding of him.

The downside of making new friends is the possibility of new temptations - rare for me, but one day it became too much to resist. I had always been with white guys up to this point, but then found myself extremely curious about a very attractive Latino man who had a lot in common with me, except...he was a virgin. Not a full virgin though but half a virgin. I was traveling to meet with a group of friends and him, and we messed around with foreplay and oral quite a bit but he was disciplined enough to stop before intercourse was an option. He wanted to save himself for a gal who wasn't married. I don't blame him. I wouldn't want my first time to be with a married man either. What really attracted me though was the way he could emotionally connect with people. He was extroverted, his personality was vibrant and charismatic, his empathy was overflowing for others.

Eventually we ended this short affair very amicably so that my Latino friend could go find a girl of his own. I want him to be happy and get the experience he needs out in the world. We remained platonic friends, exchanging memes and advice occasionally but I haven't seen him since. This was only possible because he was a virgin still.


Conflict - Reality Deviates from Expectations

It was obvious to my husband that I wasn't satisfied in this marriage so we had some difficult conversations and I brought up the topic of divorce as a solution for the first time. I told him I didn't deserve his steadfastness and that he was too good for me and that he could easily find anyone who was better, more beautiful, more loyal, more intelligent and less selfish than me. I admitted I had been unfaithful to him while not disclosing all the dirty details of who/what/where. He took some time to walk outside and think for a bit. When he came back from his walk, he said he didn't want to lose me, forgave me and said he wants to be more involved with my sexual side from now on instead of me having to keep this dark shadow/desires a secret from him. Desires that I secretly felt ashamed of due to my upbringing.


Attempts to Spice Things Up

My husband and I had a discussion about kinks and ways we could spice things up in the bedroom. He is a mostly vanilla guy by default aside from his one fantasy about having a harem (he watches a lot of isekai anime) while I had quite a few unfulfilled fantasies myself. We tried joining a fetish community online and experimenting with exhibitionism/bondage/dom/sub things and we tried to talking to women online who would be interested in playing with us. Unfortunately, many of those women were only down if their male counterpart could also participate. I was receptive and open to that, but my husband was not. He wasn't comfortable with another man in the same room or sharing me.

My husband said he knew one client through work who was in a polyamorous marriage who was allowed to play without her husband. He showed me pictures and she seemed kind of cute, but not exactly my type (which is latinas/asians/mixed). We started a group chat together to get to know one another better though, and then we all met up in person one day.

She was cool but the attraction and chemistry wasn't all there and she looked a lot older than her pictures - maybe 10+ years older than us? Anyways, this didn't work out but I told my husband he was free to continue talking to her or could play with her on his own if he wanted. He said he didn't really care to so he stopped talking to her.


Right Guy, Wrong Timing. Thanks RNG.

Eventually we moved back to the other side of the coast near our families. The state of my marriage reverted to stagnant waters with occasional intimacy. My husband's sex drive was at an all time low and he blamed it on the stress and physical demands of his career. I also started a new job at a well known company with a more competitive salary and hubby said I was now the breadwinner of the household.

We had a cabin booked in some rural area for a getaway, but my husband decided to cancel it and instead book a trip back to our hometowns to visit our families and attend an event. We participated in the event for several hours till my feet grew tired. Anyone we talked to didn't ask for our names nor talked about anything other than the event itself. He then wanted to continue walking to another area and I wanted to rest. So we split for a bit.

And then when I least expected it... I met the natural: LR


Consequences / Aftermath

Curiosity was a disease that plagued me, and I'd yet to find a cure.” ― Kerri Maniscalco, Hunting Prince Dracula

What I might say to that guy on my mind:

Did you not want me to find out about your past? I'm really sorry. I just want to understand why you are the way that you are now, not to reject you but to learn more about why you think things wouldn't work. And then I found the answers. I understand now why you distance yourself from me. I would just get in your way, and the last thing you need at this stage in your life is chaos or anything messy. You've already been through so much. Peace and detachment seems to be what you need. And please don't compare yourself to him. You're two different men and amazing in your own ways.


Afterthoughts:

I'm really starting to doubt how much agency I have in this life. Inside me is a carnal fire that overrides the rational mind and body when the right one strikes the match. And then it's really hard to keep that fire from burning brighter and bigger...Maybe I'm better off isolated from the world (not completely though). When it comes to others, I'm extremely understanding of them. But when it comes to me, I get misunderstood and my words become misinterpreted at times. I don't fit into normal society no matter how much I tried to blend in. It's better to just be weird and authentic. Life is more interesting that way.

Beneath the surface of my calm demeanor, others will see that I'm too intense, and too passionate once they really get to know me. You want to know what it's like being complex? It's like your mind is living inside a labyrinth and you contradict yourself a lot even if your true intentions are good. Very few have the capacity to hold me. I know it must be my fault. I don't see myself as a victim nor a hero. Maybe this was my villain arc? But I'm not entirely a villain either. I'm just a lonely girl with needs. Married and surrounded by friends and family, but still lonely and unsatisfied. But a tiny bit of chaos now and then is enough to keep me at bay. Ugh, I hate being a woman sometimes.

I think ideally I'd like to be in an ENM or polyamorous relationship with 2 people at most and live separately from my partners. Cohabitating is tolerable but I miss having my own place. If given the choice, I don't think I would get married again unless it was poly or if we had kids.

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Anyways, after that fling, I did some more soul-searching and immersed myself in philosophy, psychology and self-help books again...


...To be continued.
 
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Stalkers

I'm not sure how often guys have to deal with stalkers. But as a woman, every now and then they appear to remind me I have to be more alert and aware of my surroundings. It's weird though, I'm not that afraid of men. I'm not afraid of bears. I daresay I'm not even afraid of death. "Death is a friend." It teaches us to be happy in the here and now, to care for someone now. Boethius writes "Nothing is miserable unless you think it so." Aurelius says "The happiness of your life depends on the quality of your thoughts."

When I was younger, men would try to approach and pickup my mother while I was with her running errands. Some men were persistent and would frequent the places she'd go to. I mean I get it - she's beautiful, size 2-4, DD cups, big expressive eyes, sun kissed skin, and her hair & makeup was always done. She has a cute & sultry accent with a little bit of sass. She would often be dressed to kill and almost always in high heels. She could draw in any man like bees to honey with her energy, even now in her late 60s. She is incredibly talented and skilled, and worked endlessly to support her children with her own business when we were younger. I'd be fortunate to inherit even half of her ambition.

Anyways, stalkers. In order to fend them off, she built thighs of steel in the gym, took self defense classes, and would have to be accompanied by either my dad or step dad to certain places. My step dad got kind of paranoid and also took us to a 6 day self-defense bootcamp in Vegas to learn how to shoot guns and protect ourselves - how American. Now I know I said I wasn't afraid of death, but to see my mother holding a shotgun was perhaps the scariest sight I'd ever seen as a teenager. And I was an okay marksman for my age. We even had a little contest at the end of the bootcamp with some targets, and I got 2nd place, somehow beating some of the 30-50 year old men. Don't underestimate petite Asian girls. 😉

Thankfully, I didn't have to worry too much about stalkers. I always did my best to not be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If it was dark out, I'd never walk alone in dimly lit areas and walked with someone. I even briefly joined a sorority for philanthropy and "sisterhood" but then I found out the "sisters" mostly just talked shit behind each other's backs and gossiped about meaningless things and I had nothing in common with them so I ejected. Fraternity dudes are also too aggressive so I did not want to be in that space any longer than a semester.

I commuted for most of college so I often took the bus. There were uh, some interesting people at bus stops who would interact with me, but it wasn't all that bad and it was easy for me to get away. What I was unaware of was one of the guys who'd always rode my bus and apparently was in some of my classes had a bit of a crush on me. I rode that bus for years.. and I didn't have a clue until I saw an anonymous post on my college's confessions page that wrote out full names. My name appeared - "XXX is so flipping hot, blahblahblah". "Who wrote that?" I thought. Maybe one of my friends posted it to mess with me. I'm really not that cute. Anyways, the guy slid in my DMs to tell me who he was. I was shocked. And he wasn't bad looking. But all this time? How did he even get my name? From the class directory? We had never even spoken to each other before. We then became acquainted, though it did make classes a bit awkward. Anyways, harmless guy, just a secret admirer I guess.

I'd rather tell you about the most recent semi-stalker I had - this was not long ago. I was in San Diego with a group of friends, a 5-set of curvy girls and muscular guys. We hopped around a few some bars, clubs and arcades downtown 3 nights in a row. Now I really don't drink often nor party much at all, probably once or twice a year at most and only 1 drink per night, I don't smoke nor do drugs but I love a good barcade with chill vibes and I love to dance with my friends. Quite a few men approached us each night, but one guy in particular became a little worrisome. He said "I love your vibe and energy!" because I smile while I dance, really feeling myself and it's fun jumping around. I thought he was nice, a software engineer from Silicon Valley, but not my type and I told him I was married though he kept trying to get closer to me despite my body language which I shifted to appear less open.

The next night, he finds my group again at another venue where there's karaoke, and then he follows us to a barcade...and then again to another barcade. My friend advises he was following the group in order to get closer to me. We didn't invite him to tag along either... he was kind of distantly following our group apparently. He inserts himself into the circle while the women are talking about star signs - one woman tells me my sign is very sensitive, empathetic and dreamy. SWE guy starts talking and one of our guy friends intervenes to distract the SWE and tells him to download some astrology app because "women love that shit. blahblahblah" Meanwhile the rest of our group gets out of there fast and we run to another venue before the SWE guy can spot where we're going. Man I'm really oblivious and too nice to strangers sometimes...I need to stop doing that, but I can't help it. It's in my nature to be kind - everyone has their own story and internal battles to fight after all. And as much as I love people and people-watching, I also need lots of alone time to recharge and that situation was quite draining..
 

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Haven't read through but I noticed you're fully married. It might really help you to talk to @Vision

He is not active here, but from what I understand, he is a dating coach for women. Crucially, he was in the book The Game and has the PUA experience to help you understand the guy in your LR and maybe the whole effect the experience has had on you.

I do not know how to get in touch with him. Maybe @Chase would know. @Karea Ricardus D. would (he is article author Ricardus on GC), though he is only occasionally active lately.

Guys, crucial context is she met someone who has a public PUA persona and mASF archive.
 

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Haven't read through but I noticed you're fully married. It might really help you to talk to @Vision

He is not active here, but from what I understand, he is a dating coach for women. Crucially, he was in the book The Game and has the PUA experience to help you understand the guy in your LR and maybe the whole effect the experience has had on you.
Oh didn't know that Vision was a dating coach for women. I did read The Game and The Truth. Maybe it would help...not sure. Maybe the last person I should talk to is former PUAs/Dating coaches.. but I feel like any normal therapist or dating coach won't be able to relate or understand.

All I know is my experience kind of triggered a mini mid-life crisis for me but assume the fault was mine. D20 did apologize to me but he also said things like "Sorry I didn't realize all the implications.." as if he'd never slept with a married woman let alone hundreds of women before... It felt like he was trying to avoid some accountability and minimize harm by discarding me early while trying to seem just for walking away, though it was after sleeping together. It would've been more just if he walked away before having the opportunity to sleep with me. I would've respected him more.

I thought his comment about discipline was strange. In his very last text to me regarding how we couldn't go back to platonic friends, he said "You're quite attractive, energetic and exciting to be around and frankly I don't see myself as disciplined enough to just hang out without anything going down. That's just kinda bluntly how I see it." I get it, certain women you've slept with might be irresistible..

But I wondered where his lack of discipline came from and then I found out about his past and it made sense. But he even wrote books and blogs on discipline and mental toughness (redemption arc?).. Everyone has their weakness though. Maybe he was trying to get clean until along came his kryptonite.

And he said he couldn't be my confidant when we've shared intimacy. But I don't share my body with men I can't confide in though, that's why I'm very selective..


Guys, crucial context is she met someone who has a public PUA persona and mASF archive.
*former PUA/Dating coach who removed most of his paper trail. But that one page is still up. His old archive is still downloadable via waybackmachine.. I think it'd really help him if he was able to get that page with his photo taken down. It would remove the link between his current public image and his past association with PUA on search engines. But I can't contact him to tell him that. Though it would probably help him and any future woman who is thinking about dating him who may look up his past... I just want him to be happy at the end of the day.

And then after that's all done..feel free to delete all my posts here.

Everyone already told me I need to fully let go of him if I want to move on. I don't know why it's hard for me. I never had issues getting over other men in my past. I've been through real grief before having some family & loved ones passed away and made it out just fine. Maybe it's because I think he's what I deserve given my history and that I'm not worthy of more.

Or people tell me to leave my marriage due to incompatibility and wanting to live a more authentic & detached life. It wouldn't even be that messy to divorce - we don't share assets and have separate finances, etc.

But if you really think my posts add anything to these forums, feel free to leave them up. I don't know. The mods can decide. But I will leave at some point anyways and not look back on this.
 

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we have break up and let go resources here;

 

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It might be cool to send the sketch you did to @Chase... I just think it would be a legendary full circle moment if it is who I think it is.
 

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we have break up and let go resources here;

How do you let go of something that didn't get a real chance to begin? It's easier for me to get over a fling if it continues until it fizzles out naturally on it's own, but what I'm not used to is when things start to feel really good and that's when they pull the rug from underneath you.. Not because they necessarily want to, but because to them, it's the right thing to do + the obstacle of long distance + different stages in life. The result is what if, what if, what if.. and it feels like unfinished business - zeigarnik effect. A part of me will always wonder..
 

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It might be cool to send the sketch you did to @Chase... I just think it would be a legendary full circle moment if it is who I think it is.
Nah that sketch is long gone.. It was half finished anyways due to other reasons.. 👀 But I should've given it to D20 before we parted. Just wasn't sure if that would be the last time I'd see him.
 

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How do you let go of something that didn't get a real chance to begin? It's easier for me to get over a fling if it continues until it fizzles out naturally on it's own, but what I'm not used to is when things start to feel really good and that's when they pull the rug from underneath you.. Not because they necessarily want to, but because to them, it's the right thing to do + the obstacle of long distance + different stages in life. The result is what if, what if, what if.. and it feels like unfinished business - zeigarnik effect. A part of me will always wonder..
I had girls feeling the way you do...is out of you control and a lot of the situations are in my case massive amount of plausible deniability I gove the girl to make her feel less hurt... The break up dynamics in the post apply to this...
 

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I had girls feeling the way you do...is out of you control and a lot of the situations are in my case massive amount of plausible deniability I gove the girl to make her feel less hurt... The break up dynamics in the post apply to this...
Well it didn't really work when he tried that on me lol. Though I am past the hurting stage - I'm still grateful for that time and think highly of him. I have tried to think of his flaws and whatever to convince myself he's not good for me anyways, but that hasn't worked. If anything, I like those imperfections.

Maybe I have player-itis or some type of residual compliance...almost like there's a neural anchor and he still has a hook in me that he could reel in any time. It's strange for me...some kinda black magic he casted on me. 😂
 
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