Fashion Balding - anyone tried finasteride or minoxidil?

[AJAK]

Forgot to add that the sugar withdrawal symptoms you'll experience while cutting out sugar will be pretty intense. I had headaches, tiredness, severe cravings, metallic taste in mouth, shakes and general irritability. The body will be detoxing from being poisoned with sugar for years and years.

One of the first things you'll notice is your skin improve rapidly. Sugar causes aging of the skin. Supplement with collagen if you want to skinmaxx

https://imgur.com/St7uYh4

 

[POB]

Don't use Minoxidil, it has adverse side effects such as aging of skin and ironically hair loss. Also, you will need to use it for the rest of your life which isn't ideal.

Source? (and no, chat GPT does not count).

IME oral minoxidil's side effects are:
- a lot of hair growing in strange areas;
- itching;
(Mind you I've been using it for 3 years...so I know)

Those are pretty mild in comparison to finasteride's:
- low to zero sexual desire;
- depression;
- brain fog...and a lot else;

(You only need to be carefull with minoxidil if you have a history of heart condition on your family. But a simple yearly check-up can prevent any surprises.)

Hair loss occurs because of inflammation and tightness in the scalp which pushes DHT into hair follicles which reduces blood flow into hair follicles and thus they 'go to sleep.' More people are susceptible to this due to genetics, but those same people wouldn't have hair loss if they were living a healthy lifestyle.

Genetics trump everyting.
Fixing your lifestyle helps, but does not cure the problem.

 

[AJAK]

Source? (and no, chat GPT does not count).

IME oral minoxidil's side effects are:
- a lot of hair growing in strange areas;
- itching;
(Mind you I've been using it for 3 years...so I know)

Those are pretty mild in comparison to finasteride's:
- low to zero sexual desire;
- depression;
- brain fog...and a lot else;

(You only need to be carefull with minoxidil if you have a history of heart condition on your family. But a simple yearly check-up can prevent any surprises.)

Genetics trump everyting.
Fixing your lifestyle helps, but does not cure the problem.

Minoxidil works in the first place because it increases blood flow to where it is applied in the scalp. Now ask yourself why is hair loss occurring. The root cause of hair loss is inflammation in the scalp and this inflammation causes DHT to mobilize to the scalp to act as an antioxidant, but only in people who are genetically sensitive to DHT which then leads to scalp tightness which reduces blood flow to the scalp. That is when everything starts degenerating very quickly. Nutrition and oxygen deprivation occur and then hair loss follows. Minoxidil is not getting to the root cause of the issue, which is why people start losing their hair again once they stop using it because the inflammation is still present.

I don't agree, genetics don't trump everything. People don't have to accept their fate because of genetics. For example if somebody who is susceptible to getting diabetes eats an animal based diet, then it is next to impossible for that person to get diabetes. Diet/lifestyle trump everything. Poor diet and lifestyle cause inflammation and disease.

I've given my solutions to the issue. This requires a complete lifestyle change, not just a bandaid called minoxidil. which won't always work.

 

[POB]

Minoxidil works in the first place because it increases blood flow to where it is applied in the scalp. Now ask yourself why is hair loss occurring. The root cause of hair loss is inflammation in the scalp and this inflammation causes DHT to mobilize to the scalp to act as an antioxidant, but only in people who are genetically sensitive to DHT which then leads to scalp tightness which reduces blood flow to the scalp. That is when everything starts degenerating very quickly. Nutrition and oxygen deprivation occur and then hair loss follows. Minoxidil is not getting to the root cause of the issue, which is why people start losing their hair again once they stop using it because the inflammation is still present.

I don't agree, genetics don't trump everything. People don't have to accept their fate because of genetics. For example if somebody who is susceptible to getting diabetes eats an animal based diet, then it is next to impossible for that person to get diabetes. Diet/lifestyle trump everything. Poor diet and lifestyle cause inflammation and disease.

I've given my solutions to the issue. This requires a complete lifestyle change, not just a bandaid called minoxidil. which won't always work.

English is not my first language, but I thought I've made myself clear on my comment above.

Anyway, let's break it down:
1) I'm talking about minoxidil ORAL, which is much more potent than the cream/lotion. It causes ALL the folicules to open, hence the increased hair on the back, ears, shoulders, beard, etc. It works everywhere on your body, and that's the cause of the (still minimal) side effects;

2) Your lifestyle does not cure bad genetics for hair loss. It only minimizes it's effects. And frankly, comparing it to diabetes is borderline insane.

I have lived a healthy lifestlye for most of my adult life, and my hair was still falling hard after I've stopped taking finasteride. It only got better with finasteride injections, in combination with oral minoxidil, biotin, and some other stuff I'll comment another time. But it's STILL falling, only at a slower clip than before.

That "lifestyle is the solution" mantra needs to stop. There's nothing wrong with taking prescribed drugs and using medical aid for conditions you find annoying.

Not saying lifestyle is not important (it is, a lot), but dismissing proven medical treatment just because you think lifestyle will magically cure everything is just dumb.

 

[AJAK]

English is not my first language, but I thought I've made myself clear on my comment above.

Anyway, let's break it down:
1) I'm talking about minoxidil ORAL, which is much more potent than the cream/lotion. It causes ALL the folicules to open, hence the increased hair on the back, ears, shoulders, beard, etc. It works everywhere on your body, and that's the cause of the (still minimal) side effects;

2) Your lifestyle does not cure bad genetics for hair loss. It only minimizes it's effects. And frankly, comparing it to diabetes is borderline insane.

I have lived a healthy lifestlye for most of my adult life, and my hair was still falling hard after I've stopped taking finasteride. It only got better with finasteride injections, in combination with oral minoxidil, biotin, and some other stuff I'll comment another time. But it's STILL falling, only at a slower clip than before.

That "lifestyle is the solution" mantra needs to stop. There's nothing wrong with taking prescribed drugs and using medical aid for conditions you find annoying.

Not saying lifestyle is not important (it is, a lot), but dismissing proven medical treatment just because you think lifestyle will magically cure everything is just dumb.

I didn't dismiss Minoxidil as not being effective, I said there are better solutions because Minoxidil doesn't fix the root cause which is inflammation in the scalp which is why people start losing their hair again once they stop using it. It only stops scalp tension due to Minoxidil increasing blood flow to the scalp, which will halt hair loss and promote new growth. You can increase blood flow and reduce tightness in the scalp for free by doing inverted deep scalp massages for 10-15 minutes daily. Rosemary oil is also better than Minoxidil.

https://imgur.com/TLlGDtl

People's hair doesn't automatically start falling out due to some genetics command. That's not how things work. It goes like this, Inflammation>DHT mobilization>Scalp tightness>Oxygen/nutrient deprivation>hair loss.

What are causes of inflammation?

Vitamin/Mineral deficiencies
Lack of sunlight
High fructose corn syrup (Japans revenge on the US for WW2)
Sugar/refined carbs
Alcohol
Seed oils
Gluten
Leaky gut/poor gut health (leads to poor absorption of nutrients)
Hair product usage
Heavy metal/pollutant toxicity
Cortisol
Oxidative stress
Poor mitochondrial function

Individuals that are genetically sensitive to hair loss will not experience hair loss if inflammation isn't present. Hair loss isn't natural.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I don’t think that stuff works at all really.
Save the money and go to turkey for a hair transplant

 

[AJAK]

I don’t think that stuff works at all really.
Save the money and go to turkey for a hair transplant

That isn't a solution because hair loss will occur again since the inflammation will be still present in the scalp. This is why people with hair transplants have to take DHT blockers forever after the surgery in order to keep their hair.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

That isn't a solution because hair loss will occur again since the inflammation will be still present in the scalp. This is why people with hair transplants have to take DHT blockers forever after the surgery in order to keep their hair.

. I do know a few dudes that got it done. It looked really good. But they told me they had to go back again after a certain time period and get more hair implanted again. As a % falls out/does not take.

a user on SoSuave posted his results. Looked great and about £5K GBP , which was great value.

I’ve considered what I call a”poor man’s hair transplant”. Collecting the hair at the barbers after a haircut., and see if I can gel it back into my existing hair somehow.. haha I’d give it a go anyways .. fuckit why not .. may look alright for a night or a date (!)

hey, if I got laid and the chick wakes up in the morn wit hair all over her pillows..so what . Fuck her. Haha

 

[AJAK]

Hair loss also occurs 99% of the time in the temple, crown and top areas since that is where most tension is. Inflammation causes DHT mobilization to the scalp to act as an antioxidant to the inflammation which then causes scalp tension. DHT isn't the enemy, the inflammation is.

 

[POB]

I don’t think that stuff works at all really.
Save the money and go to turkey for a hair transplant

A transplant does not prevent hair loss...if you don't stop the hair loss, you gonna have new bald spots.
It's gonna look awful.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

A transplant does not prevent hair loss...if you don't stop the hair loss, you gonna have new bald spots.
It's gonna look awful.

No you won’t stop it but hair loss occurs at different rates in different areas. Some spots go completely , others just thin, the sides and back tend to stay fuller. With a transplant a guy can have a decent full head for a few years at least.. then just redo it ?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Hair loss also occurs 99% of the time in the temple, crown and top areas since that is where most tension is. Inflammation causes DHT mobilization to the scalp to act as an antioxidant to the inflammation which then causes scalp tension. DHT isn't the enemy, the inflammation is.

I don’t think this info is quite correct AJAk
Male pattern baldness is genetic.

Example - I’m going bald the exact same as my father,
And so did my younger brother.
widows peaks and a bald spot at crown.

My older brother in comparison still has a thick ,full head of hair (the jammy bastard).. as he takes after my mothers side of family.

it depends on which side of family the male inherits traits from for hair loss afaik , mainly.

 

[POB]

No you won’t stop it but hair loss occurs at different rates in different areas. Some spots go completely , others just thin, the sides and back tend to stay fuller. With a transplant a guy can have a decent full head for a few years at least.. then just redo it ?

Every transplant doctor will tell you to take a side treatment to improve results.

I don’t think this info is quite correct AJAk
Male pattern baldness is genetic.

Example - I’m going bald the exact same as my father,
And so did my younger brother.
widows peaks and a bald spot at crown.

My older brother in comparison still has a thick ,full head of hair (the jammy bastard).. as he takes after my mothers side of family.

it depends on which side of family the male inherits traits from for hair loss afaik , mainly.

Correct.
Also the dominant gene comes from the mother.
So if you mother's family has a lot of baldies, chances are high you will go bald too.

 

[POB]

I didn't dismiss Minoxidil as not being effective, I said there are better solutions because Minoxidil doesn't fix the root cause which is inflammation in the scalp which is why people start losing their hair again once they stop using it. It only stops scalp tension due to Minoxidil increasing blood flow to the scalp, which will halt hair loss and promote new growth. You can increase blood flow and reduce tightness in the scalp for free by doing inverted deep scalp massages for 10-15 minutes daily. Rosemary oil is also better than Minoxidil.

Never heard of Rosemary Oil, but will look it into that.

Scalp massages/microneedling are an alternative treatment at best (besides doing in-depth research, I asked my doctor about all that stuff).
The best non-oral prevention treatment is puncturing the scalp WITH finasteride.
(which is what I'm actually doing).
Cause you are using the product directly where it's more effective.

To prevent genectic hair loss, in that order:
- oral DHT blocker (finasteride, dutasteride);
- finasteride needling;
- oral monoxidil;
- side treatments/ topic monoxidil;
- transplant when you have an advanced grade;

Also, I'm curious if you actually did any treatment, or is just relaying information from the internet.

Individuals that are genetically sensitive to hair loss will not experience hair loss if inflammation isn't present. Hair loss isn't natural.

This seems factually wrong.
Actually, telogen effluvin is a type of alopecia that's stress related.
Stress cause inflamation, which causes the hair to fall.
Once inflation is removed, the hair grows again
(oral minoxidil can prevent hair loss even during inflamation phases..I know because I've been through it).

But genetic alopecia and aging will make your hair fall, even with all the treatments and lifestyle improvement.
What you can change is the speed, making it so slow will won't even notice.

 

[Skills]

That isn't a solution because hair loss will occur again since the inflammation will be still present in the scalp. This is why people with hair transplants have to take DHT blockers forever after the surgery in order to keep their hair.

ajak is this really factual i did not know that... so people with implants have to take dht blockers, then is not good...

 

[Atlas IV]

ajak is this really factual i did not know that... so people with implants have to take dht blockers, then is not good...

Yeah it's factual. I got a transplant in 2023 and have to take finasteride for life (I take half dose - 1mg every second day with no side effects).

It's the price you pay for a transplant.

Was worth it to fix my hairline though, the difference is very clear when I look at old photos

 

[Skills]

Yeah it's factual. I got a transplant in 2023 and have to take finasteride for life (I take half dose - 1mg every second day with no side effects).

It's the price you pay for a transplant.

Was worth it to fix my hairline though, the difference is very clear when I look at old photos

again blocking dht is never good, if you don't have side effects NOW, good, eventually it will catch up.....

dht is pretty much the sex hormone...... I actually supplement dht (proviron)...

Anyways i guess i am totally done recommending hair transplants if people have to block dht...

 

[POB]

again blocking dht is never good, if you don't have side effects NOW, good, eventually it will cash up.....

dht is pretty much the sex hormone...... I actually supplement dht (proviron)...

Anyways i guess i am totally done recommending hair transplants if people have to block dht...

Took me more than a decade to start to feel it, but boy it was terrible!

 

[POB]

Yeah it's factual. I got a transplant in 2023 and have to take finasteride for life (I take half dose - 1mg every second day with no side effects).

It's the price you pay for a transplant.

Was worth it to fix my hairline though, the difference is very clear when I look at old photos

Still worth trying the scalp injections man!
My take: drop the pills...sooner or later your mojo will start to dip.

 

[Atlas IV]

Still worth trying the scalp injections man!
My take: drop the pills...sooner or laster your mojo will start to dip.

Alright thanks for the heads up bro. I’ll look into it, or just use topical finasteride.