Socializing Debunking the "has game changed" confusion... Fml another water is wet shit! jesus!

[Skills]

So every couple of months or years you will have some tribal elders, or ogs or teachers...... (all good guys and legit, but there is a disconnect, I will get to that later)....

Questions like: is "did cold approach stop working?" @TimeMachineDAD lol at the name....

is pick up harder today than 10 years ago @Karea Ricardus D.

@Bill said in one post: "Actual development of PUA ideas is fairly stagnant, its mostly just discussing the same stuff from 10-20 years ago, the new stuff is usually also a rehash or worse if anything"

Then @West_Indian_Archie answered:

I never understood this critique to be honest. Reddit has this very same point once a week.

What are people that expecting to be new, when the mating game is as old as time?

Anyways, I game 3 gens x, milleneal, z (many guys here have as well, so i am not bragging d,gately, teevester, westindian, pob, chase, levo, chief, bismark, karea, wrappedmindless)... I can name drop all day so is not only me....

So the game has never changed on the macro level (i don't even know if is the right word): you go to a girl you Pre open (hoover approach invites, peacock) or get open, or you skip that an you open >hook> get her to comply or invest or aroused > deal with the wildcards, or asd or logistics or cockbloks or objections > pull> dick in pussy...


^ this has never changed at all through the years, is the same exact shit that has never changed since i been in the game or before........ What has changed and is constantly changing is the environments and the way people respond to certain things through the years and how attitudes, percepticon and society has evolved..........

For example there was post on hand writting analysis the other day, ogs used to do hand writing analysis, in gen x, we used to carry a pen, gum, condoms, and napkins/or micro notepad to get numbers, and the girls would write "sussie from the mall kisses, hearts or flowers" I can see how hand writting analysis would be and easy way to segway, women used to write letters (i got a box full of love letters and notes).... Today this shit would be retarded....

There were business models that were extremely succesful cause they were fit perfect the society at the time "radio shark" "Lehman Brothers" "toys or us" "aol" "myspace" "venezuela"(once othe richest latin country) "outback stake house" "kmart" "jcpenny" "mtv" "hooters" "mpua forum" "masf forum" "nextasf forum" upps did i say forums?? (i am trolling cause forums are dead is moved to groups in telegram and discort and the likes)

^ So now the owners and the people running those businesses that were super successul they just did not forget how to run a biz, or restaurant, or a cable or a fucking forum, a country..... Society totally changed and with the changes some went under cause could not adapt to the changes fast enough... Those no mean that if you take bit and pieces of the biz models and things they were doing right and they twick it, it would not work..... I can make the counter arguments, of businesses and countries (china) that were shit and now are successful as fuck cause they made changes or whaever they did...

So yes, you read an outdated book (my book for example) that would work in 2010, today somethings may still apply but not 50% of the book would not work, you would think i am a kj... it is a gen x book, that does not exist today is not that, cold approach stop working, or mating stop working and seduction stop working.... Is just weird over simplification of society, of course seduction and cold approach would never stop working, people will never stop fucking.......

Most books and content from back in the day can work today, the latest example was @Bloom Lay report here

You can read my book and get laid, you can read mm and get laid etc..... (but is not high odds or even optimal cause is not adapted to the new norms).... What has changed mainly is the sociology of the mating envinroment, and the odds, and how to increase the odds.... That are not reflected in the old material cause is not calibrated and adpated to today environments.... (it works, it just needs to be adapted and twicked to todays environment and societal changes)........ Of course can not be done cause the teachers are rip, 6 feet under.... For me what made me understand this more on a deeper level was watching this biz channel accidentally which is a channel that talks in a story telling mode about the different biz, how they were created, succided and fail, and he kept mentioning gen x this, millenals that, gen z this and that.... After repeating all this shit in every biz failure (gen x and milleneal biz failed with gen z lack of adaptation on time and death), i put 2 and 2 together myself and notice paralel to seduction and what is happening to the pua how it was meant to be....

So what i am going to do is just (since it is comming up every few months with different wording) different posts and changes so you guys can get a sense of changes.... (many are even outdated but reflect the masf and old school books and posts changes till now).... I sometimes read how tos i did in mpuaforum would not even apply today (would give low odds)...

First major change was gen x to milleneals here is the post (I posted something complaining in nexasf of the changes from x to milleneal(after a year break), i could not understand wtf what was happening and created a post, then teevester created this post based on that):

How Nightlife Has Changed, Part 1: 2009 to 2017

Nightlife is not the same as it used to be… the font of easy lays has dried up. But there’s a silver lining to this, and it’s not as bad as you think. Alright guys, after going kind of overkill with my technical posts these last weeks, I have decided to make a theoretical post. Even though I...

www.girlschase.com

Corona atomic bomb

after corona

After fucking changes (you fucked a girl one time she would get onitis, she wanted be your girlfriend good luck with that today)

The neo direct and destruction of screening game as it was meant to be in the past.

How virgins are different from masf and back in the days etc...

instagram and social media

Dww on outperforming inflation (you need to put more numbers)

How many things that worked and you would make sense in the pass contradict what I encounter today

Some high odd stuff in the past that today is low odds and the adjustments

Changes in dating norms for college students

is game harder than 10 years ago

The death of the alpha

My last year review

^ teevester take on that post better english

Paul janka and scotty (how seduction has changed)




Alright guys, i find this discussions kind of useless(cause what is the point of living in the past i rather focus on solutions), But i find useless and counterproductive people do not admitt that shit has changed and has nothing to do with cope, or excuses etc..... Is good to acknowaldge changes to find angles, strategies, and adapt old school methods vs the shit that annoys me is empty crap:

"people just need to put in numbers"
"is easier than ever"
"just talk to women"
"psychopath max"
"look max"
"become rich"

 

[kevkev39]

So every couple of months or years you will have some tribal elders, or ogs or teachers...... (all good guys and legit, but there is a disconnect, I will get to that later)....

Questions like: is "did cold approach stop working?" @TimeMachineDAD lol at the name....

is pick up harder today than 10 years ago @Karea Ricardus D.



Then @West_Indian_Archie answered:





Anyways, I game 3 gens x, milleneal, z (many guys here have as well, so i am not bragging d,gately, teevester, westindian, pob, chase, levo, chief, bismark, karea, wrappedmindless)... I can name drop all day so is not only me....

So the game has never changed on the macro level (i don't even know if is the right word): you go to a girl you Pre open (hoover approach invites, peacock) or get open, or you skip that an you open >hook> get her to comply or invest or aroused > deal with the wildcards, or asd or logistics or cockbloks or objections > pull> dick in pussy...


^ this has never changed at all through the years, is the same exact shit that has never changed since i been in the game or before........ What has changed and is constantly changing is the environments and the way people respond to certain things through the years and how attitudes, percepticon and society has evolved..........

For example there was post on hand writting analysis the other day, ogs used to do hand writing analysis, in gen x, we used to carry a pen, gum, condoms, and napkins/or micro notepad to get numbers, and the girls would write "sussie from the mall kisses, hearts or flowers" I can see how hand writting analysis would be and easy way to segway, women used to write letters (i got a box full of love letters and notes).... Today this shit would be retarded....

There were business models that were extremely succesful cause they were fit perfect the society at the time "radio shark" "Lehman Brothers" "toys or us" "aol" "myspace" "venezuela"(once othe richest latin country) "outback stake house" "kmart" "jcpenny" "mtv" "hooters" "mpua forum" "masf forum" "nextasf forum" upps did i say forums?? (i am trolling cause forums are dead is moved to groups in telegram and discort and the likes)

^ So now the owners and the people running those businesses that were super successul they just did not forget how to run a biz, or restaurant, or a cable or a fucking forum, a country..... Society totally changed and with the changes some went under cause could not adapt to the changes fast enough... Those no mean that if you take bit and pieces of the biz models and things they were doing right and they twick it, it would not work..... I can make the counter arguments, of businesses and countries (china) that were shit and now are successful as fuck cause they made changes or whaever they did...

So yes, you read an outdated book (my book for example) that would work in 2010, today somethings may still apply but not 50% of the book would not work, you would think i am a kj... it is a gen x book, that does not exist today is not that, cold approach stop working, or mating stop working and seduction stop working.... Is just weird over simplification of society, of course seduction and cold approach would never stop working, people will never stop fucking.......

Most books and content from back in the day can work today, the latest example was @Bloom Lay report here

You can read my book and get laid, you can read mm and get laid etc..... (but is not high odds or even optimal cause is not adapted to the new norms).... What has changed mainly is the sociology of the mating envinroment, and the odds, and how to increase the odds.... That are not reflected in the old material cause is not calibrated and adpated to today environments.... (it works, it just needs to be adapted and twicked to todays environment and societal changes)........ Of course can not be done cause the teachers are rip, 6 feet under.... For me what made me understand this more on a deeper level was watching this biz channel accidentally which is a channel that talks in a story telling mode about the different biz, how they were created, succided and fail, and he kept mentioning gen x this, millenals that, gen z this and that.... After repeating all this shit in every biz failure (gen x and milleneal biz failed with gen z lack of adaptation on time and death), i put 2 and 2 together myself and notice paralel to seduction and what is happening to the pua how it was meant to be....

So what i am going to do is just (since it is comming up every few months with different wording) different posts and changes so you guys can get a sense of changes.... (many are even outdated but reflect the masf and old school books and posts changes till now).... I sometimes read how tos i did in mpuaforum would not even apply today (would give low odds)...

First major change was gen x to milleneals here is the post (I posted something complaining in nexasf of the changes from x to milleneal(after a year break), i could not understand wtf what was happening and created a post, then teevester created this post based on that):

How Nightlife Has Changed, Part 1: 2009 to 2017

Nightlife is not the same as it used to be… the font of easy lays has dried up. But there’s a silver lining to this, and it’s not as bad as you think. Alright guys, after going kind of overkill with my technical posts these last weeks, I have decided to make a theoretical post. Even though I...

www.girlschase.com

Corona atomic bomb

after corona

After fucking changes (you fucked a girl one time she would get onitis, she wanted be your girlfriend good luck with that today)

The neo direct and destruction of screening game as it was meant to be in the past.

How virgins are different from masf and back in the days etc...

instagram and social media

Dww on outperforming inflation (you need to put more numbers)

How many things that worked and you would make sense in the pass contradict what I encounter today

Some high odd stuff in the past that today is low odds and the adjustments

Changes in dating norms for college students

is game harder than 10 years ago

The death of the alpha

My last year review

^ teevester take on that post better english

Paul janka and scotty (how seduction has changed)




Alright guys, i find this discussions kind of useless(cause what is the point of living in the past i rather focus on solutions), But i find useless and counterproductive people do not admitt that shit has changed and has nothing to do with cope, or excuses etc..... Is good to acknowaldge changes to find angles, strategies, and adapt old school methods vs the shit that annoys me is empty crap:

"people just need to put in numbers"
"is easier than ever"
"just talk to women"
"psychopath max"
"look max"
"become rich"

Bruh, it's literally this easy:

Just be a rich 6'5 psychopath with 8 figures and a 12 pack, and go talk to hundreds of women.

If you don't do that, are you even really trying?

 

[James D]

Just be a rich 6'5 psychopath

What's up with the psychopath thing anyway?

Saw a post on the forum getting into it and didn't have the courage to read the whole thing.

 

[James D]

So now the owners and the people running those businesses that were super successul they just did not forget how to run a biz, or restaurant, or a cable or a fucking forum, a country...

True.

It's like when dudes say cold approach doesn't work in X or Y country...the principles are the same, but you gotta navigate around the specific societal constraints

 

[TimeMachineDAD]

Huge thanks for this thread @Skills !

Questions like: is "did cold approach stop working?" @TimeMachineDAD lol at the name....

I actually coined my screenname from your "time machine pua" - concept

Personally this collection of threads will be extremely interesting read, because of my personal situation.
Basically I run on archaic software without decent update option and eventually I may have to coach this shit!

I have actually tried to get myself up to date how things have changed.
This is what I came up before this awesome collection of threads:

* Hookup culture. Sex wasn't anything special back when I was active, nowadays it seems to be even less.
** sex easier and there is less LMR than those days.
** fucking doesn't really mean much in relationship sense. Might be a start of situationship but game continues. It doesn't change in the same way like back in the day.

* Lacking social skills of younger generation
** Awkward interactions with young age cohort, although this depends strongly by person.
** Smooth social skills set you a part.
** young men don't really cold approach much anymore, so daygame / cold approach isn't anything special nowadays.

* Apps and social media
** pareto principle in apps strong. Whether good or bad depends on your looks. Closing still happens in real world.
** Social media precense is now interesting option as a part of "sales funnel"

To be honest the caricature of modern mating feels pretty werid to me;
Black pill looksmaxxer gymcell inviting chick from tinder for netflix and chill. Awkward conversiaton because of both lacking real world social skills. Fucking is porn-imitation because that is mutual expectation and both ghost eachother afterwards to protect fragile egos.


Times have changed, before reding trough all the threads I can have Grok to summarize them.
(BTW don't even try that with ChatGTP. it's moral outrage and judgement of PU is outright hilarious. )

 

[SenseErn]

What has changed is the women are so much fatter. It is like they decided to stop trying to attract men.

 

[Skills]

What has changed is the women are so much fatter. It is like they decided to stop trying to attract men.

yep! this is a MAJOR PROBLEM! IN USA..... i said that:

- The obisity epidemic specially in usa is becomming beyond horrible (i am not talking about thick women, with fat tits and asses, which i luv, i am talking fat as in fat roles), not only the sexual market place is shrinking we got obesette, tatoos etc... to deal with....

 

[James D]

What has changed is the women are so much fatter. It is like they decided to stop trying to attract men.

Come to Asia.

Even if you're not into Asian girls, Western and European expats tend to keep themselves slimmer because the average girl in Asia is slim.

 

[TimeMachineDAD]

** young men don't really cold approach much anymore, so daygame / cold approach isn't anything special nowadays.

this was typo and for some reason I cannot edit this post anymore. I meant daygame / cold approach still works.

Please everyone correct if this old keyboard jockey is wrong, but in absolute sense the game is not that much more difficult, but different of course. The biggest difference is the median young man that starts to learn it. For him it's much harder than for us back in the day.

I would summarize it this that so that bar is not higher, but jumper has gotten obese.
This is basically why I ended up to this forum in the first place.

What has changed is the women are so much fatter. It is like they decided to stop trying to attract men.

I suppose the bar has gotten fatter too.

 

[AsianBabe]

What's up with the psychopath thing anyway?

Saw a post on the forum getting into it and didn't have the courage to read the whole thing.

TLDR on that thread:
Karea: psychopath bad
CharmingPsycho: psychopath good
Will: psychopath complex, need to treat woman well regardless
Chase: psychopath interesting, can learn from, but don't enjoy Spiderman like the rest of us
POB: some psycho trait okay, keep negative trait under control
AsianBabe: psychopath kinky but scary, be cautious
Others: if psychopath, get help plz
Skills: brah!

 

[Skills]

Come to Asia.

Even if you're not into Asian girls, Western and European expats tend to keep themselves slimmer because the average girl in Asia is slim.

"people just need to put in numbers"
"is easier than ever"
"just talk to women"
"psychopath max"
"look max"
"become rich"

Brah! what did i say lol! (could not help myself to troll you)... But seriously geoarbatrage is a solution though....(is as part of the strategies)

- move out of usa to a more fucking normal sexual market place, usa is just getting ridiculous.

 

[James D]

TLDR on that thread:
Karea: psychopath bad
CharmingPsycho: psychopath good
Will: psychopath complex, need to treat woman well regardless
Chase: psychopath interesting, can learn from, but don't enjoy Spiderman like the rest of us
POB: some psycho trait okay, keep negative trait under control
AsianBabe: psychopath kinky but scary, be cautious
Others: if psychopath, get help plz
Skills: brah!

Obviously Skills was like brah lmao.

But how does Spiderman fit in this?

Now I'm compelled to read it...

 

[POB]

But i find useless and counterproductive people do not admitt that shit has changed and has nothing to do with cope, or excuses etc..... Is good to acknowaldge changes to find angles, strategies, and adapt old school methods vs the shit that annoys me is empty crap:

"people just need to put in numbers"
"is easier than ever"
"just talk to women"
"psychopath max"
"look max"
"become rich"

Bottom line:
1) always take care of fundamentals (grooming, posture, voice, leading, pacing, etc);
2) read the room...every proven PU technique works (but needs to be adapted to 2026);
3) stop whining and go to work (while being very smart about how you spend your time doing it);
4) pick one aspect of seduction and work on it, then proceed to the next one
5) change and adapt fast;
6) dress like spirder-man and move to asia;

 

[Skills]

Bottom line:
1) always take care of fundamentals (grooming, posture, voice, leading, pacing, etc);
2) read the room...every proven PU technique works (but needs to be adapted to 2026);
3) stop whining and go to work (while being very smart about how you spend your time doing it);
4) pick one aspect of seduction and work on it, then proceed to the next one
5) change and adapt fast;
6) dress like spirder-man and move to asia;

of course ^...... My point is you can no start discusssions and solutions without acknowlading that it has actually changed (from masf etc..) I don't get why every few months or years we are saying the "has game changed posts or variations" is just weird to me... Since is obvious...

 

[Francis]

Besides fashion and other contextual societal changes, has anything major shifted in the meet to lay? Example focus on sexual comfort.

Curious if this still works

In b4 James next LR at the calisthenics park kissing upside down

 

[POB]

https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/some-different-tweaks-for-seduction-in-new-era.29130/
Honestly, everything you need to know about how to adapt is here^^^
(Had forgot about that discussion, so much gold over there).

 

[SenseErn]

Come to Asia.

Even if you're not into Asian girls, Western and European expats tend to keep themselves slimmer because the average girl in Asia is slim.

I'd bring them back to the USA and based on what I have seen of the Filipino women that come here, they fatten up fast.

 

[James D]

I'd bring them back to the USA and based on what I have seen of the Filipino women that come here, they fatten up fast.

brah!

filipino woment ain't asian!

ok I mean they technically are..
but they're not the asians you come to asia for (unless you want easy pussy)

 

[James D]

) dress like spirder-man and move to asia

You guys are trolling me i swear...

 

[Skills]

james d and senseem acting like francis with the derail maxing....

@SenseErn dude let me give you fee coaching, if you need to hire me so i can illustrate stuff like this pm me:

step 1: you see a fat girl

Setp 2: ignore and don't open the fat girl keep moving

step 3: open a girl that you are attracted to that is not fat

^ now please stop derrailing with the fat girl none sense.....