Videos DISCUSSION: Why does sexual perversion happen more with Western elites?

[johndoe]

If you haven't heard about the news surrounding Epstein island and the fabled namelist containing the names of prominent Western elites and politicians, you would have at least heard about the case of P. Diddy recently, where some people are purporting that his "namelist" is worst than Epstein.

Our favourite chad Andrew Tate has a theory (links to a 5-minute video, I couldn't embed because it's a Rumble video): https://rumble.com/v523ybx-why-does...ore-with-western-elites-than-in-other-co.html

Here are a summary of his main points:

• Prominent men having multiple partners is generally more acceptable outside the West. Such as in Eastern Europe, Asia, etc.
• Men intrinsically want more than 1 partner, even if they are in a happy relationship. It's how men are wired.
• Western elites cannot do that, and have to repress themselves. That is why they have to go to islands to fulfill these.
• Repression leads to perversion. This is why they end up f*cking underage girls, or with weird fetishes.

He goes into a lot more detail in the video, and it got me thinking. I think it makes a hell lot of sense.

What do you guys think?

 

[Teevster]

Basically, Tate's theory is just a simplified perversion of Wilhelm Reich's.

 

[ulrich]

Wealth and power enables people to do fucked up shit because they can pay to cover it (an island is certainly expensive).

I would argue that the western elites are more scrutinized than the elites in the other regions of the world where the media is more tightly controlled.
Someone would need to do an investigation but my theory is that fucked up shit happens everywhere. You just hear more about if it comes from the West.

Case in point, there are several rumors going around in Mexico that the drug cartels recurrently engage in cannibalism as a rite of passage (with different sources claiming they consume enemies and some other saying they consume failed recruits).
You will never hear about it in the news.

 

[ulrich]

Our favourite chad Andrew Tate

I’m going to ask you to delete that, lol

 

[Will_V]

If you haven't heard about the news surrounding Epstein island and the fabled namelist containing the names of prominent Western elites and politicians, you would have at least heard about the case of P. Diddy recently, where some people are purporting that his "namelist" is worst than Epstein.

Our favourite chad Andrew Tate has a theory (links to a 5-minute video, I couldn't embed because it's a Rumble video): https://rumble.com/v523ybx-why-does...ore-with-western-elites-than-in-other-co.html

Here are a summary of his main points:

• Prominent men having multiple partners is generally more acceptable outside the West. Such as in Eastern Europe, Asia, etc.
• Men intrinsically want more than 1 partner, even if they are in a happy relationship. It's how men are wired.
• Western elites cannot do that, and have to repress themselves. That is why they have to go to islands to fulfill these.
• Repression leads to perversion. This is why they end up f*cking underage girls, or with weird fetishes.

He goes into a lot more detail in the video, and it got me thinking. I think it makes a hell lot of sense.

What do you guys think?

Those points describe a correct concept, but the concept doesn't cover nearly the whole picture. P Diddy for example can hardly be said to have been forbidden from having multiple partners.

I think what it comes down to most often, if we're talking extremely wealthy and/or powerful people, is a loss of identity in the face of temptation.

Most people live out their identities within a framework set out by society, and they stay on the straight and narrow not because they are intrinsically great characters, but because they don't have the capability or resources to circumvent society's rules. They know themselves because of the path that society has laid out before them, not apart from it. Their sense of self is molded by all the restrictions and allowances that operate on their lives, from their parents, to their teachers, to all the implicit and explicit social regulations throughout adult life.

The problem is that when someone is given the means to do away with all these regulations, they no longer have any sense of who they are. You can imagine for example a bricklayer called John who wins the lottery, and then proceeds to become an alcoholic gambler addicted to prostitutes. "I was John the bricklayer" he says. "I got up every morning at six, just like I did when I was a kid (back then my mom would spank me if I didn't), and I went to lay bricks, and I had to be there at eight sharp or my friends and my boss would get stuck into me. And if I got fired then my wife would get stuck into me, and that would be even worse. Now, I don't have a job, and I don't know who I am".

That's not just how John lives but how everyone does, to a greater or lesser extent. It's why it can be very hard for guys starting seduction to undo their conditioning, because although they know consciously that it is only conditioning, they cannot go against it without running up against a loss of their sense of self. And it's why, I believe, there are dudes who are great seducers who struggle with self esteem and depression, because their identity is built not by the stable constellation of regulations of a typical life, but on nothing more than continued sexual conquest.

Loss of identity is unbearable if either the gratification of impulses, or a higher level, moral identity, cannot come in to take its place. But a true moral identity, that operates more or less independently from society, is without exception extremely painful and arduous to achieve, and most people will try to avoid going through it - simply because it's much easier to let either society or one's impulses take the wheel.

I remember another thing Tate said which I think is more relevant to his own point, which is that a lot of very wealthy people he's met are weak-minded and wholly unimpressive individuals. Money and power doesn't make you someone great, it only shows you who you really are.

 

[Skills]

If you haven't heard about the news surrounding Epstein island and the fabled namelist containing the names of prominent Western elites and politicians, you would have at least heard about the case of P. Diddy recently, where some people are purporting that his "namelist" is worst than Epstein.

Our favourite chad Andrew Tate has a theory (links to a 5-minute video, I couldn't embed because it's a Rumble video): https://rumble.com/v523ybx-why-does...ore-with-western-elites-than-in-other-co.html

Here are a summary of his main points:

• Prominent men having multiple partners is generally more acceptable outside the West. Such as in Eastern Europe, Asia, etc.
• Men intrinsically want more than 1 partner, even if they are in a happy relationship. It's how men are wired.
• Western elites cannot do that, and have to repress themselves. That is why they have to go to islands to fulfill these.
• Repression leads to perversion. This is why they end up f*cking underage girls, or with weird fetishes.

He goes into a lot more detail in the video, and it got me thinking. I think it makes a hell lot of sense.

What do you guys think?

he is right, i thought it was common sense, water is wet territory..

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

If you haven't heard about the news surrounding Epstein island and the fabled namelist containing the names of prominent Western elites and politicians, you would have at least heard about the case of P. Diddy recently, where some people are purporting that his "namelist" is worst than Epstein.

Our favourite chad Andrew Tate has a theory (links to a 5-minute video, I couldn't embed because it's a Rumble video): https://rumble.com/v523ybx-why-does...ore-with-western-elites-than-in-other-co.html

Here are a summary of his main points:

• Prominent men having multiple partners is generally more acceptable outside the West. Such as in Eastern Europe, Asia, etc.
• Men intrinsically want more than 1 partner, even if they are in a happy relationship. It's how men are wired.
• Western elites cannot do that, and have to repress themselves. That is why they have to go to islands to fulfill these.
• Repression leads to perversion. This is why they end up f*cking underage girls, or with weird fetishes.

He goes into a lot more detail in the video, and it got me thinking. I think it makes a hell lot of sense.

What do you guys think?

You missed out on Sedfast hahahaha. There was one poster named NWP who rolled with these crowds and they were doing all the weird stuff and more.

In North America though the age of consent is pretty dang low in certain parts of the USA, and then on top of that they have Mormons etc…

Out in my neck of the woods there are small towns that have 50 to a hundred children from one father and I’ve met some of these people and they are pretty messed up. Type of people who should be shot.

What I personally think is that once you start hitting big numbers like 8 BILLION, 8 BILLION just repeating myself here you’ll eventually find everything happening.

For example I have a friend who just sleeps around with weird shit like midgets, girls with no legs, etc…etc…. I personally gag and barf when I think of that but different strokes for different folks right.

The real question is what the fuck the guy who married the girl with two heads was thinking. That is super messed up.

 

[johndoe]

I remember another thing Tate said which I think is more relevant to his own point, which is that a lot of very wealthy people he's met are weak-minded and wholly unimpressive individuals. Money and power doesn't make you someone great, it only shows you who you really are.

You are 100% right on this one. As a young lad, I used to think that money was correlated with some kind of ability or capability in the real world. Growing up for me was learning that this is not true. There are many rich people who are just there because they are in the right place at the right time.

For example I have a friend who just sleeps around with weird shit like midgets, girls with no legs, etc…etc…. I personally gag and barf when I think of that but different strokes for different folks right.

The real question is what the fuck the guy who married the girl with two heads was thinking. That is super messed up.

This made me chuckle

 

[Will_V]

You are 100% right on this one. As a young lad, I used to think that money was correlated with some kind of ability or capability in the real world. Growing up for me was learning that this is not true. There are many rich people who are just there because they are in the right place at the right time.

That's true, though there are also people who are very good at making money who have unbalanced and underdeveloped characters. The sort of guys who are unworldly, uncharismatic, and unable to make women feel anything around them. They may be very ambitious and driven and successful in many ways, which gives them a big ego, and to be rejected or played by the sort of women they desire - naturally beautiful, confident, and ambitious women who don't need their money - makes them resentful and bitter, which drives them to try and restore their ego in sadistic ways.

For a man whose libido is very strong, failing to develop himself properly - which includes learning how to capture the interest of the women he wants - is a dangerous thing.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

This scandal is insane.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Sexual perversion can also happen when a man doesn't have outlet for his sexual desires. Like, you know what happens in jails.

 

[MrVariety]

There’s something intrinsically erotic about pushing societies boundaries. To do something in secret and have secrets.

One of the reason why religion has always correlated sexuality with Satan is because there’s something sexy about immorality - about doing something fucked up - because it’s fucked up.

«sex without sin is like eating eggs without salt»

When you’re at the top of the world there’s going to be a strong urge toward sexual «immorality» because you just get addicted to the erotic surge it gives you.

It’s basically how porn addicts start searching for fucked up things on steroids. And then you end up with Epstein island and the catholic church pedo ring.

MV

 

[Skills]

This scandal is insane.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

There’s something intrinsically erotic about pushing societies boundaries. To do something in secret and have secrets.

One of the reason why religion has always correlated sexuality with Satan is because there’s something sexy about immorality - about doing something fucked up - because it’s fucked up.

«sex without sin is like eating eggs without salt»

When you’re at the top of the world there’s going to be a strong urge toward sexual «immorality» because you just get addicted to the erotic surge it gives you.

It’s basically how porn addicts start searching for fucked up things on steroids. And then you end up with Epstein island and the catholic church pedo ring.

MV

In a lot of gangs - either the gang members beat you up to join, or they make you go beat someone else/commit a crime.

With many fraternities (and other organizations) - there's a lot of abuse on the prospective member by the current members, and once the prospect becomes a part of the group - the prospect joins with the group to abuse others. (I'm not saying that's why chicks get graped at frat parties...but it's an environment)

It's been said by conspiracy theorists - when these secret society members/cultists do their thing- they do the worst things imaginable to basically create unbreakable bonds. A lot of the sacrificing and orgies that get rumored is about that.

And low key, we all sorta know these things happen and see them on the smaller scale.

We rarely articulate it. Never speak of the Devil...but

It was a minor plot point in Better Call Saul - Jimmy gets Kim to commit con games with him - and she develops a deeper lover for Jimmy, but she also likes THE ACTION. So much so that she goes overboard with it. (Unlike Walt and Skyler from Breaking Bad, but just like Marty and Wendy Bryde from Ozark)

On the pick up front - "dine and dash" works, as does having your girl trick the next guy for the drinks for the both of you (getting her to make money for you is the first step in.....becoming an entrepreneur!).

There's this general allure of "breaking rules but with a conspirator". You need someone to share the "fun" with.

And chicks dig mischief, they love tricks, they love getting over on people, and doing bad things.

So a lot of Bonnie and Clyde type games are effective at just the pick up level, but also at the actually committing crime level.

And the society likes it, loves it.

This is so embedded in our society, so important, that a wife cannot be made to testify against her husband.

There's this whole dark side to what Epstein (and Trump and a whole lot of others) do that's messed up on a personal level, but also messed up on a global level, a species level even.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

In a lot of gangs - either the gang members beat you up to join, or they make you go beat someone else/commit a crime.

With many fraternities (and other organizations) - there's a lot of abuse on the prospective member by the current members, and once the prospect becomes a part of the group - the prospect joins with the group to abuse others. (I'm not saying that's why chicks get graped at frat parties...but it's an environment)

It's been said by conspiracy theorists - when these secret society members/cultists do their thing- they do the worst things imaginable to basically create unbreakable bonds. A lot of the sacrificing and orgies that get rumored is about that.

And low key, we all sorta know these things happen and see them on the smaller scale.

We rarely articulate it. Never speak of the Devil...but

It was a minor plot point in Better Call Saul - Jimmy gets Kim to commit con games with him - and she develops a deeper lover for Jimmy, but she also likes THE ACTION. So much so that she goes overboard with it. (Unlike Walt and Skyler from Breaking Bad, but just like Marty and Wendy Bryde from Ozark)

On the pick up front - "dine and dash" works, as does having your girl trick the next guy for the drinks for the both of you (getting her to make money for you is the first step in.....becoming an entrepreneur!).

There's this general allure of "breaking rules but with a conspirator". You need someone to share the "fun" with.

And chicks dig mischief, they love tricks, they love getting over on people, and doing bad things.

So a lot of Bonnie and Clyde type games are effective at just the pick up level, but also at the actually committing crime level.

And the society likes it, loves it.

This is so embedded in our society, so important, that a wife cannot be made to testify against her husband.

There's this whole dark side to what Epstein (and Trump and a whole lot of others) do that's messed up on a personal level, but also messed up on a global level, a species level even.

So, it's like cycle of abuse creating monsters.

And, so it's entirely possible that perpetrators of today might have been the victims in the past and the victims of today might become perpetrators in future.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

So, it's like cycle of abuse creating monsters.

And, so it's entirely possible that perpetrators of today might have been the victims in the past and the victims of today might become perpetrators in future.

Very well could be.

Hurt people hurt people.

And we know that abuse can affect genes. Generational trauma is actually something I thought sounded dumb, but there's science.

Intergenerational transmission of trauma effects: putative role of epigenetic mechanisms - PMC

This paper reviews the research evidence concerning the intergenerational transmission of trauma effects and the possible role of epigenetic mechanisms in this transmission. Two broad categories of epigenetically mediated effects are highlighted. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Having said all that, people still make choices.

In my view a lot of these rituals and abuse are tapping into drives that we rarely articulate. Sometimes we can't say these things because we don't know the words. Other times, we fear that speaking them aloud would unleash something.

There's a viral clip of a college girl at a sports event, the guy with the camera grabs her hair from the back - and her reaction is one of ecstacy. The clip is titled when you discover her kink.

I say this a lot, but pickup really makes a guy realize that the people around you are really open to all sorts of things that even they themselves would not imagine them doing.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Having said all that, people still make choices.

It's true and that's cuz it's hard to identify and dissociate your SELF from your trauma.

It's easy to be defined by your trauma in general public. Cuz, it takes time, facing harsh truths, and lot of IRL efforts to be really free from trauma.

say this a lot, but pickup really makes a guy realize that the people around you are really open to all sorts of things that even they themselves would not imagine them doing

It's cuz for a normal Male-female interaction is way different from what we can do just in the approach.

 

[mirror]

Here are a summary of his main points:

• Prominent men having multiple partners is generally more acceptable outside the West. Such as in Eastern Europe, Asia, etc.
• Men intrinsically want more than 1 partner, even if they are in a happy relationship. It's how men are wired.
• Western elites cannot do that, and have to repress themselves. That is why they have to go to islands to fulfill these.
• Repression leads to perversion. This is why they end up f*cking underage girls, or with weird fetishes.

He goes into a lot more detail in the video, and it got me thinking. I think it makes a hell lot of sense.

What do you guys think?

Doesnt align with research

 

[mirror]

. Money and power doesn't make you someone great, it only shows you who you really are.

I had an interesting convo about this with 2 different friends. Basically what i got out of it is that the people that remain billionaires are often more sociopathic and/or narcisstic because anyone with a heart would realize he or she does not need that kind of money and hand it out. Secondly the epstein thing highlights that purpose in life is important, since the fucked up stuff is what happens when people lose meaning in life. They search/chase more and more extremes that dont satisfy them. It actually shows a big load of immaturity.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Basically what i got out of it is that the people that remain billionaires are often more sociopathic and/or narcisstic because anyone with a heart would realize he or she does not need that kind of money and hand it out.

That's a weird take.