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I want to deliberately pursue fame.
Partly as a dating strategy (leverage with women), and partly for personal fulfillment. I’ve felt drawn to performance and public recognition my entire life, and I don’t want to grow old with the regret of wondering "what if I'd gone for it".
Some members here have deep experience with status, visibility, and social leverage, so I’d really appreciate your perspective.
The “fame strategy” makes sense for me because it suits my situation better than heavy cold approach. I have:
1. Natural aptitude for performance (model looks, great voice, performance talent)
2. Time constraints (12h work days)
3. Preference for scalable leverage (business background)
I’m drawn to strategies that compound over time rather than one-off interactions.
What better way to get girls chasing me than to be famous (at least locally)?
Here are some core questions I’d love experienced input on, but feel free to contribute any thoughts on fame:
I. What kind of fame offers the best ROI (romantic + financial)?
Some options I’m seriously considering:
1. Singer
Obvious appeal with women, perhaps the highest of all. But also extremely competitive, with a long skill ramp, and questionable business viability unless you break big.
I already train daily in singing, acting, stand-up, public speaking, dance, and martial arts (rotating them one day each week, plus daily micro-touches).
2. Romance Author
It directly targets a female audience, and might work well in combination with singing to make the business model more viable (if music fans also buy $9.99 books rather than $0.01 streams...which is not guaranteed).
I already write serial romantasy on Wattpad and turn winning stories into Amazon novels, and I love doing this.
3. Entrepreneur
It’s targeted, not mass fame, and gives status for a strong social-circle game, with obvious strong financial upside, but it’s quite limited. Does niche professional status actually translate to attraction?
I run Romania’s first email ghostwriting agency and best premium copywriting academy (group coaching), but that's never gotten any girl's panties off.
4. Relationship Coach
I’ve worked as a high-ticket closer for a €12M/year education company. One relationship-coaching program generated over half the revenue.
Female clients were visibly infatuated with the (married, 50-year-old) male coach. It suggests strong romantic leverage, but I feel there’s risk to the “ethics” and potential backlash, and the clientele was not particularly attractive (mostly older women).
My question is: which path offers the best romantic reward-to-effort ratio, while still being economically viable?
II. How to most effectively train the skills that enable fame?
There seem to be at least three skill-sets that favor fame:
1. Artistic skill / craft mastery
How do you learn to sing most effectively? Via private mentors? Group courses? Rehearsing melodies on your own? Public performances?
2. Charismatic appearance & personality
Many of the most successful entertainers weren’t just skilled…they had a distinct aesthetic and persona that women and fans found irresistible.
I see all the articles and courses at Girls Chase address this question to some degree, but which would be most relevant for building a charismatic, attractive personality and appearance, in particular?
3. Marketing savvy
Breaking through the noise seems hard these days, when anyone can use software and AI to create full orchestral accompaniments and background videos for their singing.
There seems to be an optimal cadence for posting on social media and releasing songs or novels. It's hard to make ROI with ads for songs or books alone, until you have a large back-catalog.
III. How do you market yourself for fame most efficiently today?
From a leverage standpoint (reach per unit of time/effort):
1. Social media content seems mandatory, but what kind actually moves the needle? Which platforms? Which content formats? Which posting cadence? Which content topics?
2. Do small live performances (e.g. local bars, clubs, parks) meaningfully contribute to visibility and word-of-mouth, or are they mainly for skill-building (via audience reaction monitoring, etc.)?
What actually compounds vs. just keeps you busy?
IV. How important is location?
I’ve heard conflicting narratives:
On the one hand, that the acting and performance worlds are relationship-driven and proximity-based.
But it looks like countless aspiring actors grind in Hollywood for years as service staff, with little payoff.
Meanwhile, examples like The Weeknd suggest you can emerge remotely with the right strategy.
But there are also countless talented singers and writers who never make a living with their art alone.
So when does location matter, and when is it overrated?
Should I move to be in contact with the fame ecosystem as much as possible, or just work harder at home?
Should I focus more on building relationships within the industry, or on simply producing and sharing more content and more art?
V. Stay independent or sign a deal?
Is it better to stay independent and negotiate partnerships later?
Or do labels, agencies, publishers, and platforms still meaningfully accelerate fame today?
Where is “selling out” actually rational?
I hear horror stories of predatory publishing houses and labels buying rights to all your work throughout your entire career for a meager initial push. Then you’re their slave to be worked to death and wake up penniless decades later (if you live that long).
But then, when I look at most of the best-selling books of the past decades, they had big publishing houses and marketing muscle behind them.
VI. How do you keep fame for longer…and what happens when it fades?
I understand fame requires continual output. That part doesn’t scare me.
But practically:
What does maintaining fame really take?
Do you have to be a constant chameleon, blending your style with what's trending?
What’s the typical lifespan of fame at different levels?
If fame significantly boosts mate value, what happens to your dating life when it declines?
Again, any answer is much appreciated, and anything that comes to mind about fame game is welcome.
I also think a discussion of this could make for a great Girls Chase article, since many traits that contribute to fame also increase raw attractiveness, even for men who never aim to be famous.
(I really loved the "charisma breakdown" series, by the way!)
Thanks!
Partly as a dating strategy (leverage with women), and partly for personal fulfillment. I’ve felt drawn to performance and public recognition my entire life, and I don’t want to grow old with the regret of wondering "what if I'd gone for it".
Some members here have deep experience with status, visibility, and social leverage, so I’d really appreciate your perspective.
The “fame strategy” makes sense for me because it suits my situation better than heavy cold approach. I have:
1. Natural aptitude for performance (model looks, great voice, performance talent)
2. Time constraints (12h work days)
3. Preference for scalable leverage (business background)
I’m drawn to strategies that compound over time rather than one-off interactions.
What better way to get girls chasing me than to be famous (at least locally)?
Here are some core questions I’d love experienced input on, but feel free to contribute any thoughts on fame:
I. What kind of fame offers the best ROI (romantic + financial)?
Some options I’m seriously considering:
1. Singer
Obvious appeal with women, perhaps the highest of all. But also extremely competitive, with a long skill ramp, and questionable business viability unless you break big.
I already train daily in singing, acting, stand-up, public speaking, dance, and martial arts (rotating them one day each week, plus daily micro-touches).
2. Romance Author
It directly targets a female audience, and might work well in combination with singing to make the business model more viable (if music fans also buy $9.99 books rather than $0.01 streams...which is not guaranteed).
I already write serial romantasy on Wattpad and turn winning stories into Amazon novels, and I love doing this.
3. Entrepreneur
It’s targeted, not mass fame, and gives status for a strong social-circle game, with obvious strong financial upside, but it’s quite limited. Does niche professional status actually translate to attraction?
I run Romania’s first email ghostwriting agency and best premium copywriting academy (group coaching), but that's never gotten any girl's panties off.
4. Relationship Coach
I’ve worked as a high-ticket closer for a €12M/year education company. One relationship-coaching program generated over half the revenue.
Female clients were visibly infatuated with the (married, 50-year-old) male coach. It suggests strong romantic leverage, but I feel there’s risk to the “ethics” and potential backlash, and the clientele was not particularly attractive (mostly older women).
My question is: which path offers the best romantic reward-to-effort ratio, while still being economically viable?
II. How to most effectively train the skills that enable fame?
There seem to be at least three skill-sets that favor fame:
1. Artistic skill / craft mastery
How do you learn to sing most effectively? Via private mentors? Group courses? Rehearsing melodies on your own? Public performances?
2. Charismatic appearance & personality
Many of the most successful entertainers weren’t just skilled…they had a distinct aesthetic and persona that women and fans found irresistible.
I see all the articles and courses at Girls Chase address this question to some degree, but which would be most relevant for building a charismatic, attractive personality and appearance, in particular?
3. Marketing savvy
Breaking through the noise seems hard these days, when anyone can use software and AI to create full orchestral accompaniments and background videos for their singing.
There seems to be an optimal cadence for posting on social media and releasing songs or novels. It's hard to make ROI with ads for songs or books alone, until you have a large back-catalog.
III. How do you market yourself for fame most efficiently today?
From a leverage standpoint (reach per unit of time/effort):
1. Social media content seems mandatory, but what kind actually moves the needle? Which platforms? Which content formats? Which posting cadence? Which content topics?
2. Do small live performances (e.g. local bars, clubs, parks) meaningfully contribute to visibility and word-of-mouth, or are they mainly for skill-building (via audience reaction monitoring, etc.)?
What actually compounds vs. just keeps you busy?
IV. How important is location?
I’ve heard conflicting narratives:
On the one hand, that the acting and performance worlds are relationship-driven and proximity-based.
But it looks like countless aspiring actors grind in Hollywood for years as service staff, with little payoff.
Meanwhile, examples like The Weeknd suggest you can emerge remotely with the right strategy.
But there are also countless talented singers and writers who never make a living with their art alone.
So when does location matter, and when is it overrated?
Should I move to be in contact with the fame ecosystem as much as possible, or just work harder at home?
Should I focus more on building relationships within the industry, or on simply producing and sharing more content and more art?
V. Stay independent or sign a deal?
Is it better to stay independent and negotiate partnerships later?
Or do labels, agencies, publishers, and platforms still meaningfully accelerate fame today?
Where is “selling out” actually rational?
I hear horror stories of predatory publishing houses and labels buying rights to all your work throughout your entire career for a meager initial push. Then you’re their slave to be worked to death and wake up penniless decades later (if you live that long).
But then, when I look at most of the best-selling books of the past decades, they had big publishing houses and marketing muscle behind them.
VI. How do you keep fame for longer…and what happens when it fades?
I understand fame requires continual output. That part doesn’t scare me.
But practically:
What does maintaining fame really take?
Do you have to be a constant chameleon, blending your style with what's trending?
What’s the typical lifespan of fame at different levels?
If fame significantly boosts mate value, what happens to your dating life when it declines?
Again, any answer is much appreciated, and anything that comes to mind about fame game is welcome.
I also think a discussion of this could make for a great Girls Chase article, since many traits that contribute to fame also increase raw attractiveness, even for men who never aim to be famous.
(I really loved the "charisma breakdown" series, by the way!)
Thanks!
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