FR FR: Practicing Captain Jack's 'Sexual Framing'

[JollyRoger]

I was out with a friend last night and had an interaction where I got to practice 'sexual framing' in the style of Captain Jack (the PUA from Austin, Texas). I've had some good results from that in the past and I'm relearning it. For those of you who don't know me. I'm in a situation where I'm coming back to dating after a long hiatus. I'm like a noob with a past life of good experiences (although I was never at an elite level). Sometimes I'm robotic and struggle with basic small talk and banter other times I relaxed and flowing.

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What happened:

My friend opened two girls just as we were entering a pub, he has some good banter so was able to lock them in as we head to the bar. The following happened over the course of maybe 45 minutes. I locked in on the one I liked and unless mentioned everything was directed at her.

1. Basic introduction conversation, light banter, for example guessing their jobs.

2. Compliment my girl on her black leather jacket. I notice is she is wearing a sexy outfit underneath but I don't mention it.

3. We move to a table, I sit next to my girl, my friend next to his opposite us. She takes her jacket off and her outfit is really hot.

4. I ask her if she's good at keeping secrets. Then switch to another topic.

5. A minute or two later I tell a story about my friend who hooked up with a guy that turned out to be clingy. The aim of that story is to communicate that I'm not judgemental of my friend hooking up, disapprove of people not being able to keep secrets and don't understand why guys get clingy after sex.

6. Story about an office affair that I became aware of and how good it was that they were able to keep it a secret.

7. Asked if it's true that girls get sent a lot of D-pics? She says it does happen her friend chimes in about that.

8. I ask both of them how they know they can trust someone? They talk about slowly opening up to people over time.

9. At one point my friend and I head to the bar to get drinks with the intention to see if they will leave but they are still there when we come back.

10. I can't remember exactly when but I hold her hand for an extended time to make a point.

11. They leave to go to the toilet and then come back. My friend and I take this as a positive sign.

12. They want to go outside for a cigarette and ask us if we want to come outside. This is where my friend and I felt the energy shift. Now they were leading us.

13. My friend and I had been thinking about where to go next and they start talking about going to another venue. We know a place where there's a bit more of a party vibe where we can dance and isolate better. We walk ahead and they are somewhat lagging, just about keeping up. We feel that we have to lead strong and accept we might lose them.

14. As we walk down the street my girl bumps into som long lost guy friend who she hasn't seen in months who immediately latches on to us. When we arrive at the venue they show indifference and talk about going somewhere else. I haven't spoken to my target during this walk wanting to see if she reengages with me, but she doesn't.

15. We go our separate ways.

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I communicated all the frames I wanted to during the interaction but according to CJ's method I failed to show that I appreciated her sexuality. I had the opportunity to compliment her on her outfit, how hot she looked in it and how I appreciate how confident she must be to show herself off.

I don't think I'm ashamed to do that but I'm habituated to behaving indifferent about how women look that at this point I've probably gone too far and now come across asexual.

 

[jackbauerctu]

Way to go after just getting back into the swing of it! I was trained by Captain Jack (I've spent some brief time with him in person too, and we're still in touch occasionally these days).

My observation is that your diagnosis in the last two paragraphs is spot on. And if we work backwards, a workable hypothesis is a lack of clear Intention and an Ideal Scene (go back and listen to the Alpha Male audio, and Force21 if you have time).

What was missing from your interaction was any sexual framing directed towards her - at the very least, I think you had a good opportunity (with some isolation) to run Strawberry Fields, which is responsible for almost every SNL that I ever had. It is the closest thing to magic that CJ came up with, and I observed that whenever I didn't do it, the sets fizzled out.

If you're just getting back into it, it's very understandable that you didn't use sexualised compliments (about her dress, or my favorite..."I'm sorry I didn't hear what you just said, I was distracted by your lips...tell me again").

But running Strawberry Fields as a fun, funny, little game, and then moving on as soon as it is done - I think can get you 80% of what that interaction was missing. Commit to running it in every interaction as soon as she has warmed up to speaking to you.

Remember CJ's baseline belief - women are sexually starving, and she got all dressed up so that she could feel the thrill of knowing she had a sexual effect on a man who let her know about it.

Even "you're probably tired of hearing this tonight, but that dress is sexy as hell" - and going right back to your conversation, letting it sink into her subconscious - would be game changing for you. It sets the sexual frame, and that frame grows in the background.

So, great job getting back into things - I think the above, with an Alpha Male ideal scene, and a firm Intention - "I'm doing it, that's it, period" - will kickstart your motor.

JB

 

[KJ Francis]

I was trained by Captain Jack (I've spent some brief time with him in person too, and we're still in touch occasionally these days).

Welcome to the forum! Captain Jack isn't discussed much here, but seems a bit of a legend in that he's seen as responsible for adding the missing element to Mystery Method (sexual frames... which I would argue were always there non-verbally from the heavy emphasis on kino compliance tests).

He was introduced to us by @Karea Ricardus D. See post #2:

Mystery Method - Revisited

Dislcaimer By Teevster: I moved these posts from Karea's thread "Is game harder than it was 10 years ago?". I moved these posts because they covered a whole different subject and those great posts by Karea shouldn't be lost in the sea of posts (was a very active thread). I also felt this is a...

www.skilledseducer.com

Would you be willing to point us to where we can learn about his method? It seems his products were multi day seminars. No book?

Otherwise what do you think about posting a rundown summary thread? Of course please let me know we'd love to have him here. I'm sure he'd be nominated for a seducer of the month interview with @Chase straight away.

Strawberry Fields, which is responsible for almost every SNL that I ever had

From the student notes I've seen online, I remember reading CJ mentioned using this in every single set as well. I assume this is midgame, like seated in C1.

 

[JollyRoger]

Way to go after just getting back into the swing of it! I was trained by Captain Jack (I've spent some brief time with him in person too, and we're still in touch occasionally these days).

Thanks for the feedback. I'm in the process of moving to a new country so it will be interesting to see how things translate to a new culture. My aim is for a better opportunities, lifestyle and logistics and socialising will be a part of it.

In my opinion he's one of the most underrated guys in the scene before it became heavily commercialised and watered down in the after math of Neil' Strauss' book. His stuff was a close as you can get to 'say these lines and you'll get results'.

 

[jackbauerctu]

In terms of concrete examples of how good, effective, and usable CJ's innovations and teachings were:

I've had to dig the following out of my diary archives lol.

You can hear me on the Force21 audios (maybe only one, I'm not sure). That 21-day course started in March 2010, and when the program started I had never kissed a girl. I was 23 years old, I think.

These are from emails I sent to him before the end of April 2010 - so maybe less than a month later:

1. "A few weeks ago I had never even kissed a girl. Just a few days after my first SNL, this girl tonight was the 5th one so far!"

2. "Tonight I achieved my first same night lay! Until I started Force21, and your materials in general, I was psyched to run a ‘good set’ and ecstatic to get a phone number. Just a few weeks later, I had a SNL tonight, a Day 2 tomorrow, a possible lay again tomorrow with the girl from tonight (with FB possibilities), and hopefully a Day 2 with another girl next week!!!!!"

All I did was follow his game plan almost word-for-word, and do the exercises on the Alpha Male audio and in Force21.

I've spoken to Karea about this in message exchanges.

I felt like I tapped into a completely new level of being while I was doing that course and later doing a lot more training with CJ. I was becoming the cause and not the effect.

So do whatever it takes to find: Force21, the Alpha Male audio, the Sexual Framing audios, the Game Dynamics audio, and the Sticking Point analysis videos (all of these were included in Force21 as background material, so you should be able to find them if you know where to look - Jason (CJ) doesn't care any more and he's said his materials can be shared however people want).

Listen to those in the following order: Alpha Male, Game Dynamics, Sexual Framing, Sticking Point analysis, and all the Force21 calls.

Go out and apply them EXACTLY as he teaches, and you'll hit mastery.

I remember almost being a little frightened about how easy it actually was during that magical period of time. But I had an Intention and commitment that no matter what I was going to succeed.

Best of luck to all of you.

JB

 

[JollyRoger]

I remember almost being a little frightened about how easy it actually was during that magical period of time. But I had an Intention and commitment that no matter what I was going to succeed.

Best of luck to all of you.

JB

What brought you back? Were you off the market for a while?

 

[jackbauerctu]

What brought you back? Were you off the market for a while?

I still am - long-term partner, talking about having kids, and planning to propose next month. I like to come on here very occasionally to see if people are still talking about CJ. He's also married and long-retired. Plus if I have any little tidbits that can help, based on my experience and observations, it's my way of giving back. I only dive on here very very rarely. I want everyone on here to win the game, whatever that looks like for you/them

 

[JollyRoger]

That's great. Well hopefully I'll have more to post from March onwards because I'm not yet at the end of my journey.

 

[jackbauerctu]

Oh and in addition to the above, CJ's best-ever blog post fills in a key piece. It's my favorite blog post of all time in any sense:

The Force Principle of Game Dynamics
Posted at February 18, 2010

In light of my recent work in laying down a workable, meaningful definition of Alpha a few more things have come to light that have excited me greatly.

Number 1: The Magnification Principle has always been a fantastic principle to follow, but it makes even more sense now in light of the Alpha and Game Dynamics.

For those of you new to my blog (and those of you who need a refresher), the Magnification Principle is simply to take anything she says or does that helps your goal and draw attention to it. On the other hand, you’d IGNORE anything that didn’t help you.

Here’s a quote from the original blog post about this on August 29, 2007: Because what you give attention to (either positive or negative) gets magnified.

There’s a metaphysical belief that says: “Energy flows where attention goes.”

Put your words/attention on her bad behavior and you give it energy. My #1 rule says to IGNORE stuff that doesn’t serve you and MAGNIFY what advances the seduction.

When she does something good for you or something you appreciate, praise it. I often praise a woman for her sexual freedom and appetite. This magnifies it.

I’m calling it The Magnification Principle and it’s a core principle of Zen Ninja seduction.

Now, let’s look at this in terms of Game Dynamics.

In Game Dynamics the driving principle is Agreement. Magnification increases Agreement. (Thus, you need to be extremely careful WHAT you Magnify.)

Another driving principle is Clarity. You must KNOW what Game is being played before you can really understand and agree to it.

Magnification clarifies.

Now, let’s think in terms of Games.

We know that Games have teammates, obstacles, goals and rules. What I want to draw your attention most to is how you win games.

The way to win most games (I mean real/competitive games, not synchronized swimming or whatever) is to score the most points in the allotted time. This is nothing more than being able to deliver more directed force over the allotted time than the others. The hockey player who dribbles the puck down the ice and flings it toward the goalie with the most directed force has the best chance of scoring for his team.

Thus, we have the idea of Force (or perhaps Velocity) in the Game Dynamics.

The amount of directed Force you can apply to each Dynamic in the quickest manner possible the better your chances of success.

Using this idea we can streamline all seductions to take an even shorter amount of time.

By examining each dynamic in light of the Game you are playing and then creating a Baiting statement to get on the subject along with ready made statement(s) to gain quick and complete agreement, you could blast through all 4 Dynamics with ease and very, very quickly.

This is what I spent the one weekend I was able to go out in January. It yielded 3 cold approach same night lays in a row, fri, sat and sunday.

Directed Force is the domain of the Alpha, combined with Game Dynamics we reach another level of pickup sophistication.

It has made me at least 2-3 times better in the month I’ve been applying it.

Captain Jack

P.S. Sit down and think about how to apply this! It will be well worth it.

 

[KJ Francis]

In terms of concrete examples of how good, effective, and usable CJ's innovations and teachings were:

I've had to dig the following out of my diary archives lol.

You can hear me on the Force21 audios (maybe only one, I'm not sure). That 21-day course started in March 2010, and when the program started I had never kissed a girl. I was 23 years old, I think.

These are from emails I sent to him before the end of April 2010 - so maybe less than a month later:

1. "A few weeks ago I had never even kissed a girl. Just a few days after my first SNL, this girl tonight was the 5th one so far!"

2. "Tonight I achieved my first same night lay! Until I started Force21, and your materials in general, I was psyched to run a ‘good set’ and ecstatic to get a phone number. Just a few weeks later, I had a SNL tonight, a Day 2 tomorrow, a possible lay again tomorrow with the girl from tonight (with FB possibilities), and hopefully a Day 2 with another girl next week!!!!!"

All I did was follow his game plan almost word-for-word, and do the exercises on the Alpha Male audio and in Force21.

I've spoken to Karea about this in message exchanges.

I felt like I tapped into a completely new level of being while I was doing that course and later doing a lot more training with CJ. I was becoming the cause and not the effect.

So do whatever it takes to find: Force21, the Alpha Male audio, the Sexual Framing audios, the Game Dynamics audio, and the Sticking Point analysis videos (all of these were included in Force21 as background material, so you should be able to find them if you know where to look - Jason (CJ) doesn't care any more and he's said his materials can be shared however people want).

Listen to those in the following order: Alpha Male, Game Dynamics, Sexual Framing, Sticking Point analysis, and all the Force21 calls.

Go out and apply them EXACTLY as he teaches, and you'll hit mastery.

I remember almost being a little frightened about how easy it actually was during that magical period of time. But I had an Intention and commitment that no matter what I was going to succeed.

Best of luck to all of you.

JB

Hey thanks for the post! It seems there is a ten-year-old torrent out there with the audio, but 0 seeders.

I pulled out some key info from a couple pdfs online and posted here (post #39):

Mystery Method - Revisited

Really good interview with mystery and beckster (it seems mystery was always gaming, but was just not public), it seems he is coming out more publicly now... Only nitpick, For what i gather mystery is still more of a "relationship" make girl fall in love and be my gf frame (the 7 hour rule...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[D. Gately]

Remember CJ's baseline belief - women are sexually starving, and she got all dressed up so that she could feel the thrill of knowing she had a sexual effect on a man who let her know about it.

Even more true today. Starving is an understatement if my success is any indicator.

 

[James Cruse]

My question to this is: did you escalate physically or through any compliance/investment?

The only way you really know if framing is working (or it missed) - is to continue escalating.

I ask her if she's good at keeping secrets. Then switch to another topic.

5. A minute or two later I tell a story about my friend who hooked up with a guy that turned out to be clingy. The aim of that story is to communicate that I'm not judgemental of my friend hooking up, disapprove of people not being able to keep secrets and don't understand why guys get clingy after sex.

6. Story about an office affair that I became aware of and how good it was that they were able to keep it a secret.

I some of this may have been abit passive and light. I love Captain Jack and used his framing years ago, but I think alot of his framing techniques are more for a woman you're seducing who's already a friend or in your social circle.
It's framing you can use over a long period of time, that's very indirect and great for when you have plenty of time to talk to her and repeated meetings (like in a social circle).

In a cold approach seduction (where you have comparatively limited time) - the framing has to be more punchy and directly affective in that moment.

I like to personally take many of women's common frames they normally use in that situation and use them myself. Make them about me and her being together and her interest in me, directly or indirectly.

These frames, when I see them all listed here like this - seem "(indirectly) defensive" from you, rather than on the "offence" - so setting the frames pro-actively before she does or just about her that she can qualify herself on. They also seem like "complimentary" or secondary frames.

I also think alot of guys are setting frames indirectly, without being aware of it. Everything you say and do is setting a frame and everything she does and says, especially to you, is establishing a frame that you either accept or reject based on your response to it.

I think alot of guys let so many frames slip by them, in seduction and relationships, because they don't understand the precedent set by the words or behaviour of her or even yourself.

12. They want to go outside for a cigarette and ask us if we want to come outside. This is where my friend and I felt the energy shift. Now they were leading us.

Here they just (sort of) took over the frame by a simple normal action, so there were frames being set by them and you guys had to be reactive.

14. As we walk down the street my girl bumps into som long lost guy friend who she hasn't seen in months who immediately latches on to us. When we arrive at the venue they show indifference and talk about going somewhere else. I haven't spoken to my target during this walk wanting to see if she reengages with me, but she doesn't.

15. We go our separate ways.

ok, so this has nothing to do with framing though - this sounds like you were passively waiting for her to come back to you after she met a male friend.

You just needed to go back and re-assert yourself. It sounds like you let a guy (who really may have only been a genuine friend) cockblock you and you didn't do anything to stop it (not that's described here).

What was missing from your interaction was any sexual framing directed towards her

I agree with this, there wasn't any frames about you and her together.

Did she know you were interested in her? Did she know she was interested in you?

What was missing from your interaction was any sexual framing directed towards her - at the very least, I think you had a good opportunity (with some isolation) to run Strawberry Fields, which is responsible for almost every SNL that I ever had. It is the closest thing to magic that CJ came up with, and I observed that whenever I didn't do it, the sets fizzled out.

So, you currently use 'Strawberry Fields' in every seduction? It's just sexual framing.

“Energy flows where attention goes.”

Yeah, or:
'everything you both say and do is a frame'.

 

[jackbauerctu]

My question to this is: did you escalate physically or through any compliance/investment?

The only way you really know if framing is working (or it missed) - is to continue escalating.



I some of this may have been abit passive and light. I love Captain Jack and used his framing years ago, but I think alot of his framing techniques are more for a woman you're seducing who's already a friend or in your social circle.
It's framing you can use over a long period of time, that's very indirect and great for when you have plenty of time to talk to her and repeated meetings (like in a social circle).

In a cold approach seduction (where you have comparatively limited time) - the framing has to be more punchy and directly affective in that moment.

I like to personally take many of women's common frames they normally use in that situation and use them myself. Make them about me and her being together and her interest in me, directly or indirectly.

These frames, when I see them all listed here like this - seem "(indirectly) defensive" from you, rather than on the "offence" - so setting the frames pro-actively before she does or just about her that she can qualify herself on. They also seem like "complimentary" or secondary frames.

I also think alot of guys are setting frames indirectly, without being aware of it. Everything you say and do is setting a frame and everything she does and says, especially to you, is establishing a frame that you either accept or reject based on your response to it.

I think alot of guys let so many frames slip by them, in seduction and relationships, because they don't understand the precedent set by the words or behaviour of her or even yourself.



Here they just (sort of) took over the frame by a simple normal action, so there were frames being set by them and you guys had to be reactive.



ok, so this has nothing to do with framing though - this sounds like you were passively waiting for her to come back to you after she met a male friend.

You just needed to go back and re-assert yourself. It sounds like you let a guy (who really may have only been a genuine friend) cockblock you and you didn't do anything to stop it (not that's described here).



I agree with this, there wasn't any frames about you and her together.

Did she know you were interested in her? Did she know she was interested in you?



So, you currently use 'Strawberry Fields' in every seduction? It's just sexual framing.


Yeah, or:
'everything you both say and do is a frame'.

These are excellent points and I fully agree - master implicit framing and you have the keys to the kingdom. The master of framing is Kenrick Cleveland (he was Richard Bandler's protege); he's strictly business/sales/persuasion/influence but no-one has ever understood framing like he does.

I do have to disagree with one limiting assumption though, about Captain Jack's method/style being exclusively for social circle: I have never used it on anyone in my social circle; I have only ever used it (specifically sexual framing) for cold approach. If you don't do it in the first interaction, my experience and observation is that it never truly lands. The frames are already set and by the second interaction they are locked in.

CJ's method is built for cold approach and rapid escalation. Strawberry Fields, in my view, is the linchpin because it sets every frame you need and no-one realises that's what it is doing. It seems like an amusing thought experiment that is over and forgotten almost immediately - but the frames stay.

You have great insights, your post is worth re-reading.

JB

 

[KJ Francis]

Just a tip for strawberry fields... Apparently it was a Tik Tok trend a few years ago.

So that could be a good thread cutting transition from any convo about social media if needed as a reason to randomly bring it up.

If she googles it after, there's a few seduction results, but a lot of tik tok references.

 

[James Cruse]

do have to disagree with one limiting assumption though, about Captain Jack's method/style being exclusively for social circle: I have never used it on anyone in my social circle; I have only ever used it (specifically sexual framing) for cold approach. If you don't do it in the first interaction, my experience and observation is that it never truly lands. The frames are already set and by the second interaction they are locked in.

Let me clarify; the frames listed here seemed too light for a cold approach, and seemed like secondary frames rather than primary frames, to use in a cold approach.

For example, the frames listed above, as most of the frames I saw Captain Jack use in his products, I would consider those frames to be used if there's alot of resistance to escalation or other primary frames in some way, either because the primary frames didn't work or she's more reserved or whatever the case.

This was what my response above is about - I think these frames are great if you've already done alot of other escalation, frames and compliance already, but getting some unusual resistance to something - so you spend (quite abit of) time adding in secondary frames to remove that unusual resistance.

 

[JollyRoger]

My question to this is: did you escalate physically or through any compliance/investment?

The only way you really know if framing is working (or it missed) - is to continue escalating.

I can't remember physically escalating.

I some of this may have been abit passive and light. I love Captain Jack and used his framing years ago, but I think alot of his framing techniques are more for a woman you're seducing who's already a friend or in your social circle.
It's framing you can use over a long period of time, that's very indirect and great for when you have plenty of time to talk to her and repeated meetings (like in a social circle).

Hmmm.... that's the opposite of my experience. For me it always worked best during the first meeting. If I managed to convey / communicate / set the right frames it felt like unlocking a combination lock with the correct numbers. If I made a mistake' or she didn't pick up on what I was communicating then it sort of falls flat and other methods (which can still work of course) would need to be deployed.

I also think alot of guys are setting frames indirectly, without being aware of it. Everything you say and do is setting a frame and everything she does and says, especially to you, is establishing a frame that you either accept or reject based on your response to it.

I think alot of guys let so many frames slip by them, in seduction and relationships, because they don't understand the precedent set by the words or behaviour of her or even yourself.

Yes, but easy to drive yourself crazy with that of course. That's why a strong intent is important.

I agree with this, there wasn't any frames about you and her together.

Did she know you were interested in her? Did she know she was interested in you?

I can't remember. My overt interest was probably very low due to a habit of being very laid back.

So, you currently use 'Strawberry Fields' in every seduction? It's just sexual framing.

Ideally yes. I have several stories/routines/gambits for setting the most important frames, but I find that Strawberry Fields is the most effective one. However in my experience it lands really well, or falls completely flat.

I've tried to come up with my own variations that are more reliable but never really found something as good. Something about the combination of elements is potent. Even changing it to cupcakes or something like that doesn't work as well.

It communicates

1. I'm aware of your goal (enjoying sex without worrying about judgement)
2. I value the same goal
3. I'm not judgemental about the goal
4. I'm discrete about the goal

If anyone came up with any variations I'm interested to know!

 

[JollyRoger]

I do have to disagree with one limiting assumption though, about Captain Jack's method/style being exclusively for social circle: I have never used it on anyone in my social circle; I have only ever used it (specifically sexual framing) for cold approach. If you don't do it in the first interaction, my experience and observation is that it never truly lands. The frames are already set and by the second interaction they are locked in.

CJ's method is built for cold approach and rapid escalation. Strawberry Fields, in my view, is the linchpin because it sets every frame you need and no-one realises that's what it is doing. It seems like an amusing thought experiment that is over and forgotten almost immediately - but the frames stay.

You have great insights, your post is worth re-reading.

JB

I agree CJ's style (in my past experience) works best during the initial meeting. If it doesn't all 'hit' then it's like only getting a portion of numbers of a combination lock correct. It still won't open.

This doesn't mean you can't get success later in another way.

Did you ever come up with a variation of Strawberry Fields that worked as well?

I have other stories/routines/gambits that hit the required frames but never really found anything as potent (although can sometimes fail to off, like a faulty grenade) as SF.

I have stories about "things that happened to my friends" or "with my ex" or "something I saw at a bar one time" and have played around with routines like 'cosmo', 'rings on fingers', 'nose piercing' etc. but nothing hits quite like Strawberry Fields. Something that is an imagination game, that starts innocent but takes things in a fun direction at the end like a punchline to a joke.

 

[JollyRoger]

I some of this may have been abit passive and light. I love Captain Jack and used his framing years ago, but I think alot of his framing techniques are more for a woman you're seducing who's already a friend or in your social circle.
It's framing you can use over a long period of time, that's very indirect and great for when you have plenty of time to talk to her and repeated meetings (like in a social circle).

In a cold approach seduction (where you have comparatively limited time) - the framing has to be more punchy and directly affective in that moment.

I like to personally take many of women's common frames they normally use in that situation and use them myself. Make them about me and her being together and her interest in me, directly or indirectly.

These frames, when I see them all listed here like this - seem "(indirectly) defensive" from you, rather than on the "offence" - so setting the frames pro-actively before she does or just about her that she can qualify herself on. They also seem like "complimentary" or secondary frames.

These are the big picture frames I'm aiming to set:

1. Agree we are both players in a game
2. Agree we are playing the same game together
3. Show that we both value the same game goal
4. Demonstrate I can take care of the obstacles to reaching the goal

 

[James Cruse]

These are the big picture frames I'm aiming to set:

1. Agree we are both players in a game
2. Agree we are playing the same game together
3. Show that we both value the same game goal
4. Demonstrate I can take care of the obstacles to reaching the goal

This is the prescription for frames from Captain Jack in Force 21.

I just don't think his descriptions of frames are helpful, because it's so broad and not necessary, in most cases.

For example:

"You really are head over heels for me" (in a playful way) or any reframe of her interest in you - is enough to cover that I know she's interested and chasing me. The fact that I'm there with her alone (I'm at least abit interested) and I've highlighted her interest, covers the first three frames listed and does so easily, assuming she doesn't object to it.

Or "My eyes are up here . . . you're very excited" - frame is sexual, her chasing me and she's leading ME towards sex. It's an easy short sexual frame, without going into a protracted logical frame or monologue. Alternatively, she might qualify herself instead (so win-win for you either way she chooses). Would you need strawberry fields if you did the above as a sexual frame in one sentence instead? As opposed to doing strawberry fields in a noisy club or on the street sidewalk.

Captain Jack (and many other people in seduction) prescribe that frames are required to be verbally stated out loud, but they're really not. I think guys don't give credit to women for how perceptive and passive they are to these frames.

You and I both know that we've seduced plenty of women without (4.) - because I just don't think women need this, in alot of cases, to have sex with a man or even think about it, consciously or unconsciously.

We just deal with the obstacles (if there even is any, outside the ones she gives us herself) and lead to where we want the seduction to go, while she follows.