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Arnav

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Hi guys,

had a bad date, would love if some of u could point out my key mistakes in this date, here is the date report.
*meet at venue*

me: hey how are you
she: I am good thanks, *shake hands* we walk outside
me: so is this place close to your home
she: yeah it's nearby I live in xyz place
me: okay that's pretty close
she: yeah
* we are walking in the shopping district*
me: so you must come very often than right , being so close to this place
she: noo, not really I don't go out that much
me: ohh okay.
she: yeah , where do you live
me: i live in abc palce
she: ohh okay , so that's why you wanted to meet at efg place
because it's close to your place
me: lol yeah, I thought you live there as well, because you came to work there
she: no , the place is far from my home
me: okaay, so travel long dist for work
she: yeah
me: how do you find the place so though, you like working there
she: I mean it's okay, there is some office poliitics over there
I try to ignore it, it's fine if people want to spread rumours or
talk behind my back that's how they wish to live, I go about my business.
me: I see so where did you choose this place thought,
she: I don't know I gave a copule of interview at some places, and I thought this
was the best one, I gave an intervewi here as well
me: near this place, she : yeah, me: okay
me: the first time you give interview , it's pretty tought right, I rember I was pretty nervous and just had some bad ones and then I got more comfortable and things got better.
she: yeahh exactly , I was also pretty nervous in my first one, I actually just blanked out I could not remember what to say, they were asking some difficult questions and I had gone prepared but I just blanked out.
me: lol, yeah that happens. so after that you had better ones
she: yeah after that I gave some other interviews and got selected , I got offer from a few places
but I chose to join this place. me: okay

* we walk into a mcdonalds order some food and then I tell her lets go to the park *
* we take the food with us and are walking to the park *

me: so you have any sibblings
she: yeah I have a sister and a brother, I am the youngest.
me: okay and how is your bond are you fighitng all the time
she: yeahh kind of , no animosty though we're just teasing and
pulling each others legs
me: cool, so are you the most most matured out of them
she: yeahh, my sister she is older to me but she behabes complelty
like a kid all the time, I have to be snesible one
me: reallly how so ? she : (mentioned some incident) me: okayy
me: and what about your brother? she: he is studing medicine he is going to
be a doctor. me: okay so he is the family doctor then, he advises wheneevr
you get sick . she: yeah sometimes
me: it's very intersting all 3 of you have such diff career mideicne, accountant,enginerr
that seems like dream career roster for your parents
she: yeah we kind of choose very diff work paths
me: an engineer son and doctor girl , that's like the basic documentation for famillies in
this country
she: yeahh
me: it's nice though that you have a good bond with your sibblings, it can be rare. In some
families there can be so much animosity.
she: yeah I have seen that too, too much fighting or people not speaking to one another
me: yeahh like this business tycoon in the news asd, and the feud with his brother
she: yeahh but that's kind of diff, that seems more about power and corruption
me: so is your mother very strict
she: yeah she is kind of strick in terms of academics, very disciplined oritned
me: okay so you'r not that close
she: No she is very caring as well she is just strict for studies , I think few days ago when I was not well she would keep calling me to ask about my health and she even ordered a lot of snacks for me
me: snacks for you, I mean aren't you suppposed to eat healthy when you'r sick
she: yeah I know but still she order lot of snacks for me so I feel good.
me: so you're living alone here
she: no I am living here with my aunt and uncle over here
me: okay I see.
me: okay and what about your father is he also strict
she: no he is bit lieneint and easy going ,
me: cool, you know I had friend whose parents were pretty strict he also used to live with his aunt and uncle and they would make him stand in the sun if he did not score well in his tests, they used to do that to make him stronger and set high standards.
she: I don't think that's very healthy parentsing
me: yeah I know, it's just people have different parenting sstyles
she: I think someone who comes from that kind of ubringing would eaither be fearless not caring about anything or very scared and low in confidence

* we reach the park and sit there *

me: yeah proably, so did you always wanted to do this ca
she: yeah I mean I was looking to pursue this , and I had to give this exam which was pretty hard
me: yeah those exams can be very challenging
she: I actually didn't make it in my first attempt and fell few points off the qualification score,
me: really ? that must be hard
she: I mean I was pretty bummed, and my mother's reaction was also pretty weird. She just consoled me and encourage me to try again
me: so how is that weird, don't you want to be encouraged when you fail at something
she: it's not just that , I mean she didn't say anything. I was expecting her to object, tell me how could I not clear the test, this is not the kind of standard you have to set for yourself , you need to work harder. She just didnt' say any of this. atelast say something
don't just be nonchalant about it
me: lol , so you want the hard treatment from your mother.
she: it's not that I just wanted her to atleas say something.
me: I see, so what were you doing before the exams
she: I don't know I think I pretty much wasted the entire year, I actually desered the low test scores. I would you just sleep till late morning lazing around. just watching netflix, movies
wasting time.
me: okay like what on netflix, what are your favourite shows
she: I like wathcing sitocmes, I really like brookly99 ( really liked talking abt this)
that's very funny
me: okay I have heard of that show , it's about cops right
she: yeah, it's very funny
me: okay, what else what kind of moveis do you like
she: umm movies I like avengers, harry potter stuff like that
me: okay so you saw lot of moveis and tv shows, you didn't go out much
she: no I would jut laze around at home , that's how I wasted the whole year ( laughing slightly)
me: okay so what happened after that, how did you clear the exams again
she: i just started studying again and then 3 or 4 months later I scored much higher and got selected
me: so that's pretty good then, you bounced back form faliure.
she: yeah
me: okay so tell me what kind of people do you usually like?
she: what do you mean ?
me: I mean you know like some people like to surround themselves with creative people , some with thougtfull people
she: I don't think you should be that specific with what kind of people you surround yourself. I just like to be friends with people regardless of their nature and what they have. I don't think I would decide these are people that are creatiev so they would be around me. I am just freinds with people that I am and accept them that way
me: okay cool . so do you have any close freinds right now, who is your best freinds

me: yeahh , that's pretty cool . what about your best freind in school. you had any
she: in school yeah there was girl in high school we were pretty close
me: okay , so what's your best memory with her
she: my best memory * starts thinking deeply*
she: there was this one time I was hurt and I got a wound on my leg , and my laces were open . she was with me and she tied my laces. I don't like to ask people to do that but she did it and cared for and that was pretty sweet.
me: okay that's nice.
* some silence *
she: so tell me about yourself , now
me: yeah ask me , what do you wanna know
she: anything
me: I mean my family is from moutain town xyz, most of my family is from there. I have been born and brought up in this city and I like doing creative stuff like writing , making art
she: okayy
*some silence*
me: okay so tell me what's something in your personality you're really gratefull to god having given you
she: umm that I can understand people and waht they are feeling and their emotions
me: okay so seems like you have a lot of feeling intellteigence
she: yeah I would say I am pretty emotionally intelligent.
me: I see. so what do you really like doing that makes you happy
she: generally I would say just going to work , working makes me happy on weekends I would rest , sometime have some plans with friends and go out.
me: working makes you happy?
she: yeah I mean you when you're working, having projectds to do completing them that's good.
me: so you like having a sense of resonlbilty and like feeling competent.
she: yeah
me: what about travelling , what's your dream destination you would like to visit
she: dream destination, I would say edinburge
me: edinbrugh, why that palce why not usa or some place like that
she: becuase those places are very metropoitan, and edinbrugh is not that aritifical
me: so because it's historical and has castles stuffl ike that
she: yeah me : okay I figured, maybe also cause your fav movie is harry potter that can be a conneciton too
she: yeah
me: okay so tell me what was the last good surpise you had
she: last good surprise.. ( thining)
me: yeah she : on friday ( starts smiling )
she: no I mean not you
me: yeahh I knew it it was meeting me , the real truth comes out
she: laugsht a little , no I mean that was a good surpise as well but
one friday I was pretty upset beacuse of some issue at work the previous day
me: okay
she: then I came at work , and I have this close freind of mine he asked me what's up . I told him nothing all good, and he just said, don't screw with me, it's all over your face. something happened you're not in a good mood today tell me what's up. so I really liked that he could udnerstand me without even me saying anything and so these kinds of friendships are rare. where you get freinds like that
me: okay , that's a pretty good freind. what's his name
she: his name is max, yeah and we have pretty good bond, that was good surprise he could understnad me very well.
me: nice. so what do you want to do in future, do you want to open up your accountancy firm
she: no I don't want my own firm. I want to work in investment banking at mckinesey
me: that's a pretty good place, must be hard getting a job there
she: yeah it's pretty difficult but yes I would like to work in investemnt banking . but it some time off , a bit later.
me: okay so what do you think about manifestation do you believe in it?
she: I don't know, what do you think
me: I mean I have seen a lot of people who wrote down their dreams and then years later it came true. so maybge it works. I haven't had any personal experinc like that . what do you believe , like we get thigns begcuase our actoins
she: yeah I would say I jsut prepare for things and what in my fate will be there .
me: hmm you have a philosphers mind , deep thinker
she: smiling
me: what realaxes you usually or calms you
she: I don't know I would say just going to work , working comlpeting my work
me: that realxes you, you enjoy that, why
she: I don't know just going every day having stuff to work on
me: so you like having a sense of responilibity and routine
she: yeah
kiss attempt from this point
me: okay hey I think I have to go meet a friend in few minutes, but before that I have to pick up some errands at a shop nearby , come with me
she: okay
me: we walk to the shop ( it's a few blocks away on the 2nd floor of a buildling )
*while walking *
me: so how is it living with your aunt and uncle , away from home
she: I mean it's fine , usually pepole are a bit uncomfortable with peole overstaying at
thier homes , but my aunt and uncle are good with it .
me: so you have a good relatoinship
she: yeah , it's pretty good. my sister also lives with me .
me: okay
* we walk up to the shop walkign up the stairs which are quite empty , I inqurei something with the desk manager (make up some suff )
me: hey I am done here, lets head go now
she: okay
* as we are coming down I ask her to see her glasses*
me: hey let me wear those , i am going to look pretty smart in those
she: I won't be able to see very clearly
me: I will give it back
* I wear her glasses and start walking ahead while we are coming down the stairs*
she is smiling , heyy give my glasses back . I won't be able to see
me: okay
( while we are on the stairs and I am bit ahead I stop and she comes down to take her glasses)
me: here and as I hand it over to her
me: I move close to kiss her
she: * moves from smiling to surprise a little bit * umm uhh
she: * dodges to the right and moveds away*
she: * points a finger at me* * neutral voice tone* you know you should ask first
me: I just keep a smiling face , okay
* there is awkawrd silence now as we walk out of the buldling together*
( I don't know what to say or do now - apologize, adresss the situation, ignore it , or act as if nothing happened and converse )
( my read of her smiling , conversing with me and complying made me feel her interest level was high enough that she would be okay with the kiss but I guess my signal reading was off )
me: ( I choose the options of acting as if nothing happened and talking to her to hopefully diffuse this awakard tension we have now between us )

me: from her onwards I talk about if she has any interest in sports, what sports she plays like or watches, about what her room is like, the stuff toys she has, some of her friends
( we talked about all this with a very clear awkard tension underneath where it was clear I was trying to put that kiss debacle off and clear her mind from that with this talking
but it was not working the awkardness was there )

I bid her goodbye warmly and say I am getting late now , gotta meet my freind
we say our goodbye

* she removed my no from her contacts (but not blocked)* (her profile pic was now invisible to me from b4

* I still text her that day *
me: had a good day today , hope you reached home safe.
* no response *
 

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My read is the small talk drags for a bit and then there's some decent convo (asking her what her best memory is with her school bestie is nice) and the bit about dreams as well is decent.

It has a nice social vibe to it.

But there's no sense the vibe of the interaction is escalating from social to sexual.

Didn't see flirting etc.

Was there touch?

She rejected the kiss attempt because it feels off to her.

You were having a nice social interaction and now you're going in for the kiss...doesn't make sense to her.

Read this post:


Also the kiss kinda came out of nowhere.

Ideally, you wanna be not in motion, physically close and the let the convo die out a bit as you stare in each other's eyes. That's a kiss moment. Then you move in.

If we run your interaction by the steps in this great article: https://www.girlschase.com/article/how-have-sex-girl-you-9-straightforward-steps

You didn't make it past step 1.

There was no sexual tension built and not much compliance, except for her going along with you to the park. It's compliance but it's small.

You've built some trust but without sexual tension and compliance, she won't be primed for a kiss.

Was that from cold approach btw?
 

Arnav

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My read is the small talk drags for a bit and then there's some decent convo (asking her what her best memory is with her school bestie is nice) and the bit about dreams as well is decent.

It has a nice social vibe to it.

But there's no sense the vibe of the interaction is escalating from social to sexual.

Didn't see flirting etc.

Was there touch?

She rejected the kiss attempt because it feels off to her.

You were having a nice social interaction and now you're going in for the kiss...doesn't make sense to her.

Read this post:


Also the kiss kinda came out of nowhere.

Ideally, you wanna be not in motion, physically close and the let the convo die out a bit as you stare in each other's eyes. That's a kiss moment. Then you move in.

If we run your interaction by the steps in this great article: https://www.girlschase.com/article/how-have-sex-girl-you-9-straightforward-steps

You didn't make it past step 1.

There was no sexual tension built and not much compliance, except for her going along with you to the park. It's compliance but it's small.

You've built some trust but without sexual tension and compliance, she won't be primed for a kiss.

Was that from cold approach btw?
This was on a date , I cold apprpached her a few days ago and then set up a date.

1.Okay so escalting from social to sexual, how can I do that?

2. Abt touching and building compliance I did touch her hand in the middle to ask abt the rings she was wearing, and built compliance by swit ching 2 venues one the park and then the kiss location the stairway of the shopping building, was this the wrong kind of compliance.
 

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This was on a date , I cold apprpached her a few days ago and then set up a date.
That's great man!

Actually going on a date off cold approach makes the whole thing so real.

It wasn't the wrong kind of compliance.

It just wasn't enough.

You moved her logistically, which is great.

But you've gotta lead her emotionally too.

That's two facets of leading a girl- logistically and emotionally. Teevster has a great article covering it.

And for the touch, you've gotta escalate the touch. You did some incidental touch, which is good. Had to increase it.

Highly recommend getting the GC course on how to touch a girl and One Date for general date planning.

You'll get there man, it's awesome you're having dates, means you did something right on the approach and text (many guys get forever stuck there)

Get your dates sorted out and you'll be seeing some great results soon.
 

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Arnav.- You are doing good getting dates from cold approach but these are my nitpicks:

- you need to engage at some points in seductive topics and learn how to flirt, i gave you the link before here it is again:


Kisses should be rejection proof, if you learn micro escalations, in other words micro escalations you are always gauging reactions vs one big move (one big move does not work as you just saw) here is the link to 60:







here is an excellent kissing routine from ratata:

Here's my dumb make-out routine.

Caveat: only tested during night game. It's a set of crutches that are nice to use when you're a bit unsure, or starting out at this stuff. And it's also useful later, for shits 'n' giggles.

Setup: She's in "isolation" with you or "semi-isolation" with her back turned to her friends, or you're a bit away from her friends, so she in the least feels a bit safe from feeling judged. So, you've definitively hooked her already, and she's showing some compliance by coming with you somewhere more private, even if only a few steps away from her friends. The routine also assumes you already know where's she's from, so if you haven't already asked, find out where she's from... (It'll become important later.)

The dumb routine: If you suddenly feel the urge to kiss her, ask her this:

"Are you a good kisser?"

She'll say yes or no, but most girls say yes and start to brag somewhat, depending on how riled up they are. This is when you subtly start disqualifying her with stuff like "Nah, I'm not convinced. I've never had a good kiss from a girl from Ohio..." (or whever it's from.) Or dismiss her straight to her face that you don't believe her, and that all girls from Ohio are horrible kissers.

Invariably she'll deny this. That's where you cock your head and go: "Prove it!"

(And in the off case she doesn't deny it, then you can still act surprised and tell her that you don't believe her and then have her prove what a horrible kisser she is....)

If she hesitates, go: "Well, what are you waiting for?" And perhaps pull her closer. Then make out with her lol.

If she doesn't want to, you can dismiss her even more and go "I knew it. Not only are they bad kissers but pussies too."

Important. Don't be all serious when you do this. This is all a joke. It's a flirt. You're not doing it because it's the end-all to get a make-out with her. You're doing this to tease her, whether you get the make-out or not. Perhaps she just gives you shit and token resistance at first, but then - when you show that you're unphased by her shit tests, she will jump you and stuff her tongue down your throat. I mean, women are strange and different, so her reaction will wary - sometimes wildly. But it will always be fun and surprising to see her reaction! So, never crave the make-out, but instead crave the thrill of her bs, laugh of how it catches her off guard, or how it doesn't. And then have a back-up solution for it. In essence, you want to be this priest:


also for kissing triangular glazing for none verbal is good for beginners minute 6:41

The "Triangle Method" in pickup artist (PUA) lingo, often referred to as triangular gazing, is a nonverbal, eye-contact-based flirting technique designed to create a sense of romantic intimacy or sexual tension.
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How the Triangle Method Works
  • The Technique: You look at one of the target's eyes, then shift your gaze to their other eye, move down to their lips, and then back up to the first eye, creating a visual, triangular shape on their face.
  • Purpose: It is used to signal romantic interest or to indicate a desire to kiss, acting as a more intense, deliberate, and sometimes calculated form of eye contact than a simple gaze.
  • Timing: It is often recommended to do this slowly and intentionally during a pause in conversation, typically lasting around two seconds.


 

Arnav

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That's great man!

Actually going on a date off cold approach makes the whole thing so real.

It wasn't the wrong kind of compliance.

It just wasn't enough.

You moved her logistically, which is great.

But you've gotta lead her emotionally too.

That's two facets of leading a girl- logistically and emotionally. Teevster has a great article covering it.

And for the touch, you've gotta escalate the touch. You did some incidental touch, which is good. Had to increase it.

Highly recommend getting the GC course on how to touch a girl and One Date for general date planning.

You'll get there man, it's awesome you're having dates, means you did something right on the approach and text (many guys get forever stuck there)

Get your dates sorted out and you'll be seeing some great results soon.
Ahh okay, I found the teevster article on emotional vs logistical leading, I guess I completley neglected the first one.

do you knw of some routines, flirty lines that i could use somewhere in the date to escalate the vibe from social to flirttateous,
 

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Arnav.- You are doing good getting dates from cold approach but these are my nitpicks:

- you need to engage at some points in seductive topics and learn how to flirt, i gave you the link before here it is again:

Thanks for sharing this, it's super helpfull. I was wondering about the secrion on engaging in seductive topics like
Zodiacs, breakups, social dynamics, relatiionships, fitness.

Why do you refer to these as seductive topics and how are you supposed to talk about them ?
 

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Ahh okay, I found the teevster article on emotional vs logistical leading, I guess I completley neglected the first one.

do you knw of some routines, flirty lines that i could use somewhere in the date to escalate the vibe from social to flirttateous,

Do the stuff Chase talks about in the first tier- excitement.

I've been doing this more consistently and it's pretty hard not to create a sexual vibe from the get-go when you do that.

I've also been using chase frames. They work really well.

Non-verbal sexual vibe + chase frames + any of Teevster's routines should do the job to make it clear you're escalating the vibe to sexual.
 

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Thanks for sharing this, it's super helpfull. I was wondering about the secrion on engaging in seductive topics like
Zodiacs, breakups, social dynamics, relatiionships, fitness.

Why do you refer to these as seductive topics and how are you supposed to talk about them ?
I said fitness super minimally(yoga) and break up is only with recent break up hurt girl context... you don't force the topics... You don't have to do those topics i am saying at some point you need to flirt.. you can check different lrs so you can see how different guys flirt.. even ratata kiss routine is flirting, if you want start with something like that...
 
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you texting her that you hope she got home safe is a great thing to do regardless of how the date went. even if she doesn't want to hang out again, she should have at least texted you back letting you know she made it home OK.

also, the fact that you cold approached this girl and she actually showed up on the date is a BIG win for you--so keep your head up because sometimes people just don't click on dates
 

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you texting her that you hope she got home safe is a great thing to do regardless of how the date went. even if she doesn't want to hang out again, she should have at least texted you back letting you know she made it home OK.

also, the fact that you cold approached this girl and she actually showed up on the date is a BIG win for you--so keep your head up because sometimes people just don't click on dates
Good point, agree... however, usually i have them text me.... "Text me when you get home to make sure you are ok"

Op try that next time..
 

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you guys do the safe check even after a date with no lay? I like it after lay with kissing tender at her car, then bedroom voice and low eyes let me know, and keep kissing briefly, then part, good night, etc. so that she's giddy on the drive and dreams of you...

if you like her...

after a date with low compliance I'd calibrate to balance not too much pair bond behavior, could be wrong...
 
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you guys do the safe check even after a date with no lay?
is not compliance check per se (but it kind of is) but also helps you keep momentum, "text me when you get home" lay or not does not matter (you use them in both scenarios)
after a date with low compliance I'd calibrate to balance not too much pair bond behavior, could be wrong...
no that deep man, anyways, why you changed the name, is confusing.... brah! go back the old name, is better and less confusing...
 
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* I wear her glasses and start walking ahead while we are coming down the stairs*
she is smiling , heyy give my glasses back . I won't be able to see
me: okay
( while we are on the stairs and I am bit ahead I stop and she comes down to take her glasses)
me: here and as I hand it over to her
me: I move close to kiss her
she: * moves from smiling to surprise a little bit * umm uhh
she: * dodges to the right and moveds away*
she: * points a finger at me* * neutral voice tone* you know you should ask first
me: I just keep a smiling face , okay
* there is awkawrd silence now as we walk out of the buldling together*
( I don't know what to say or do now - apologize, adresss the situation, ignore it , or act as if nothing happened and converse )
( my read of her smiling , conversing with me and complying made me feel her interest level was high enough that she would be okay with the kiss but I guess my signal reading was off )
me: ( I choose the options of acting as if nothing happened and talking to her to hopefully diffuse this awakard tension we have now between us )

its obvious she feels you kiss her out of nothing.

Follow skills advice to read sixty - before the kiss you wanna have a series of micro escalations that generates the its on vibe in her. eg creating an its on moment/ escalating the vibe. BEFORE you initiate kissing related moves.

Typically it looks like this
- when you speak (for rookies - i can omit it across a room) do sexual listening or just tension generating ec > girl says what? w. a smile > this is the creation of the "its on moment". Key waypoint that escalates the vibe to sexual/intimate.
- proximity & positioning > she adjusts > feels it even more as proximity intensifies body energies
- girl kisses me or lingers intensely for it.
(reads sixtys outline and look at the details of the techniques he outlines - its important. most people miss it why i write this to you, purposely used his technical wording and some parts of his process outlined as most people reading it pay superficial attention to the technique)

This is a sub part of whats referred to as "second gen escalation" that sees escalation as a series of smaller moves mixed in with other doings to minimise various types of resistances by never allowing her to reject you. I personally dial these down a lot so ec is more of a lag to a certain tension level and then i stream them out almost making her crazy from the signals but strong containment. Or i just softly turn her on to give her a more direct Show her the beast level energy that will make her spike hard sexually(credit: cozy).

other things u could do
- move in and put the glasses on her, whipe her hairback along her head gently and say perfect, just keeping close adding a soft lag to your ec
- At a moment say: "Hey btw i just wanted to let you know thatyou look really cute - slow warm vibe." the shift. to other topic.
- Linger in w her proximately - your faces close and just leave the space there allowing tension to grow. Dont go to kiss. go to place yourself relaxed faces in sync or close. let the very ai sizzle between u. You can slightly just bend your head to the side softly to ignite her to mirror but doing 10% of the motion... but thats when you get better and have developed makeout intuition - flow it into your movements operating on a bigger level of detail.

But these are done over the date as single moves,then shift to something else gradually turning her into sexualised activation.

when she: * points a finger at me* * neutral voice tone* you know you should ask first
- just say hun, im sorry im really trying to behave here but is really hard since youre so hot/cute/sexy, im just a guy and you come with this amazing attractive vibe/weapons - its honestly impossible, i am just a man. do it knowingly and with a smile playing frustrated for fun.

i know the language im using is a lil much for this interaction and her mood but This is shock and awe style to say shes hot/compliment her hard potentially sexually when youre better, and then blaim her for creating the draw as she is so hot/beautiful. Its also fyi a deep sexual dream for women to have men loose themselves to her beauty.

many other options but just from your case. Some of the stuff i write is highly advanced and assumes refined control of tension eg. so focus on the steps and sixty. take what you can from the rest.
 
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you texting her that you hope she got home safe is a great thing to do regardless of how the date went. even if she doesn't want to hang out again, she should have at least texted you back letting you know she made it home OK.

also, the fact that you cold approached this girl and she actually showed up on the date is a BIG win for you--so keep your head up because sometimes people just don't click on dates
yeah thanks for the encouraging words man. I think its mainly my conv skills, and managing the vibe, all of it just a bit clunky it's getting smoother with each date as I make adjustments.
 

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its obvious she feels you kiss her out of nothing.

Follow skills advice to read sixty - before the kiss you wanna have a series of micro escalations that generates the its on vibe in her. eg creating an its on moment/ escalating the vibe. BEFORE you initiate kissing related moves.

Typically it looks like this
- when you speak (for rookies - i can omit it across a room) do sexual listening or just tension generating ec > girl says what? w. a smile > this is the creation of the "its on moment". Key waypoint that escalates the vibe to sexual/intimate.
- proximity & positioning > she adjusts > feels it even more as proximity intensifies body energies
- girl kisses me or lingers intensely for it.
(reads sixtys outline and look at the details of the techniques he outlines - its important. most people miss it why i write this to you, purposely used his technical wording and some parts of his process outlined as most people reading it pay superficial attention to the technique)

This is a sub part of second gen escalation that sees escalation as a series of smaller moves mixed in with other doings to minimise various types of resistances by never allowing her to reject you. i personally dial these down a lot so ec is more of a lag to a certain tension level and then i stream them out almost making her crazy from the signals but strong containment. Or i just softly turn her on to give her a more direct Show her the beast level energy that will make her spike hard sexually(credit: cozy).

other things u could do
- move in and put the glasses on her, whipe her hairback along her head gently and say perfect, just keeping close adding a soft lag to your ec
- At a moment say: "Hey btw i just wanted to let you know thatyou look really cute - slow warm vibe." the shift. to other topic.
- Linger in w her proximately - your faces close and just leave the space there allowing tension to grow. Dont go to kiss. go to place yourself relaxed faces in sync or close. let the very ai sizzle between u. You can slightly just bend your head to the side softly to ignite her to mirror but doing 10% of the motion... but thats when you get better and have developed makeout intuition - flow it into your movements operating on a bigger level of detail.

But these are done over the date as single moves,then shift to something else gradually turning her into sexualised activation.

when she: * points a finger at me* * neutral voice tone* you know you should ask first
- just say hun, im sorry im really trying to behave here but is really hard since youre so hot/cute/sexy, im just a guy and you come with this amazing attractive vibe/weapons - its honestly impossible, i am just a man. do it knowingly and with a smile playing frustrated for fun.

i know the language im using is a lil much for this interaction and her mood but This is shock and awe style to say shes hot/compliment her hard potentially sexually when youre better, and then blaim her for creating the draw as she is so hot/beautiful. Its also fyi a deep sexual dream for women to have men loose themselves to her beauty.

many other options but just from your case. Some of the stuff i write is highly advanced and assumes refined control of tension eg. so focus on the steps and sixty. take what you can from the rest.
Loved the putting the glasses on her and putting her hair back idea, creates abice little romantic moment ! thanks for these tips.
 

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Loved the putting the glasses on her and putting her hair back idea, creates abice little romantic moment ! thanks for these tips.
Yup, and those moments are the ones u wanna create continuously but in a balanced fashion.

They can be done more subtly than this - check sixty and study it HARD. its honestly what would lift most guys immensely in here. Escalation is king and an art. rarely described well.

Afterwars you could shoot a SOI as A primer: "There. perfect. back to sorta cute..(a tease - sorta) I get an impulse to kiss you... a shame you look so innocent with glasses on so I cant...

Notice its a ridiculous logic, but it puts out that you wanna kiss her with a barrier. A pull push style. If she wants to kiss you she will say thats not a problem or im not innocent.. if not youve escalated with a barrier making her not be able to truly reject you.

its a great way to 1) test her readyness since you cant read her like i can 2) prime the idea of kissing 3) give her an opportunity if she wants to - she can just destroy the barrier and move in.

back in the days we used to use "soi stacking" - the first soi was just a primer, thus often w a barrier not meant to happen but to make her understand that were smooth and not scared to show what we want. Leading the way and escalating smoothly which is attractive. especially if done after an its on moment or at a stage where she is tipping between not wanting you yet and wanting.

Ive barriered with so much crap, youre too drunk, there are too many people in here.. etc etc.

i prob do it in relation to your progression atm, as shes very back heeled so i would work her more indirect and presence wise first, but just what came as ideas along a flow.
 
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Yup, and those moments are the ones u wanna create continuously but in a balanced fashion.

They can be done more subtly than this - check sixty and study it HARD. its honestly what would lift most guys immensely in here. Escalation is king and an art. rarely described well.

Afterwars you could shoot a SOI as A primer: "There. perfect. back to sorta cute..(a tease - sorta) I get an impulse to kiss you... a shame you look so innocent with glasses on so I cant...

Notice its a ridiculous logic, but it puts out that you wanna kiss her with a barrier. A pull push style. If she wants to kiss you she will say thats not a problem or im not innocent.. if not youve escalated with a barrier making her not be able to truly reject you.

its a great way to 1) test her readyness since you cant read her like i can 2) prime the idea of kissing 3) give her an opportunity if she wants to - she can just destroy the barrier and move in.

back in the days we used to use "soi stacking" - the first soi was just a primer, thus often w a barrier not meant to happen but to make her understand that were smooth and not scared to show what we want. Leading the way and escalating smoothly which is attractive. especially if done after an its on moment or at a stage where she is tipping between not wanting you yet and wanting.

Ive barriered with so much crap, youre too drunk, there are too many people in here.. etc etc.

i prob do it in relation to your progression atm, as shes very back heeled so i would work her more indirect and presence wise first, but just what came as ideas along a flow.
i totally forgot what soi stands for... so many terms....
 

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i totally forgot what soi stands for... so many terms....
lol. tell me about it.
its total oldschool. Juggler used it a lot.

Statement of intent = i want to xxx you
or do Xxx to you
= you state your intent

Soi + barrier = you state your intent and "a barrier for doing it".

i really want to kiss you, (soi)
a shame you seem so drunk... (barrier)

pull push
 

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lol. tell me about it.
its total oldschool. Juggler used it a lot.

Statement of intent = i want to xxx you
or do Xxx to you
= you state your intent

Soi + barrier = you state your intent and "a barrier for doing it".

i really want to kiss you, (soi)
a shame you seem so drunk... (barrier)

pull push
Oh yes! I call it man to women vs platonic interactions...
 
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