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[James D]

I am always wonder how guys that are supposedly good with women get the panities in a bunch so easily

And I'm always wondering how guys who are supposedly good with women can be such negative people...

 

[AJAK]

I never said not cumming means women auto reject. I said with this particular girl, it struck me as that.

Yeah, I prioritised getting to the point where I was fucking her rather than going to the bathroom.

She was always on the verge of leaving. It was the right move.

All of that was done because of her SPECIFIC case.

I'm not advocating that this is the way to go with ALL women.

It was my best read for THIS specific girl.

Re-read my LR and see if I'm advocating anything I did as THE WAY to always act.

I'm not.

No situation is perfect and I reported what I did.

You do what works for you and I do what works for me.

You don't have to read my LRs.

Yeah, I do direct openers. They work for me. I have my style and I'm more or less happy although still improving.

Maybe next time I'll have the Spanish version of the LR as well cuz nuances are always missed on you.

Or maybe you just get hard ons for flame wars?

Not interested in that man.

I don't doubt your experience and expertise with women.

I agree like a lot of your material on pick up. The 3 date bounce I think is some of the best stuff I've read on dating.

Your know your shit and I respect that.

But for all your skills (pun intended) with women, you're one of the most negative people here. Like legit bad vibes.

Would appreciate limited interaction onwards.

I can't prevent you from commenting on my stuff.

It's a public forum after all.

But yeah, do your thing and I'll do mine.

I never advocate anything I do as the ultimate way.

All I've been doing with these LRs is share what I do and what works for me.

Not saying that this is THE way.

For me, the end result is the most important thing. It doesn't matter how one gets there. Direct, indirect, situational, indirect then direct, or a really sexually direct approach like Scotty Gll executes. The girl has to be attracted in some way or none of that matters.

I also prefer being direct and showing my intent right away, its great for screening too, you find out if she is really interested sexually or not. I haven't got the time nor patience in having a 5-10 minute convo with a girl to then be told "I have a bf" lol. Hard pass for me Blow me or blow me out.

I don't understand why some people are trying to take away from your moment of glory, quite bizarre to me. You're one of the best posters on here and I appreciate you writing up your LRs.

 

[James D]

For me, the end result is the most important thing. It doesn't matter how one gets there. Direct, indirect, situational, indirect then direct, or a really sexually direct approach like Scotty Gll executes. The girl has to be attracted in some way or none of that matters.

I also prefer being direct and showing my intent right away, its great for screening too, you find out if she is really interested sexually or not. I haven't got the time nor patience in having a 5-10 minute convo with a girl to then be told "I have a bf" lol. Hard pass for me Blow me or blow me out.

I don't understand why some people are trying to take away from your moment of glory, quite bizarre to me. You're one of the best posters on here and I appreciate you writing up your LRs.

Thanks man!

For being direct, while it does usually work as a screening tool, it can also work as a way to come across in an intriguing way, which is how I aim to use it.

You come in with an interesting, infectious energy with zero neediness and express your interest like an artist noting a fine painting in a gallery.

That can't be written, so a lot of my openers read as simply direct.

But this package of "eccentric art connoisseur noting with delight what a fine piece of art she is" is the real opener.

It's not some people lol, it's Skills and he gets off being a prick. I usually ignore him but him jumping in my LR to misunderstand the nuances and start lecturing isn't chill, yeah.

Glad your appreciate the LRs man!

I write them partly as a way to remember these great memories (I tend to forget details very fast) and of course to add value to this community from which I gained so much.

Before I ever pulled a girl from cold approach, I was binging the LRs of a posted called Narrow J. Do check him out. He's a real one and you'll love his style.

Cheers man!

 

[Skills]

And I'm always wondering how guys who are supposedly good with women can be such negative people...

You don't know me. you don't know my intentions, and you don't know my personality...

For example, you need to look on how you interpret people intentions, lets see here:

-I have multiple post liking and complimenting your lrs
- i have multiple post were i recommend you for day game
- in this post multiple times kj francis was trying to compliment you and you took it as an "attack"

In this post there were things i though you were saying as kind of a rule (but it was not it was specific to the situation)

^ so just too make sure, i can see your point of view, i asked a friend to read it, and he said "yes it came across like you are shitting on the lr" but that was actually no my intention.... I usually comment in lrs, to get clarifications, or get a discussion going....

you took that and started calling me names "should be done in spanish" "you are negative" etc... Just ignore or answer or not... but don't flame, it was not necesarry..... And with me you will lose trying to engage in this behavior, i thought we were done "keep your name out of your mouth", or not, but again, you can keep calling me names "prick" and repeating bs "negative" and i will come back and we can do this all day, or move on and keep me out of your mouth..

It's not some people lol, it's Skills and he gets off being a prick. I usually ignore him but him jumping in my LR to misunderstand the nuances and start lecturing isn't chill, yeah.

^ Dude i was not being a prick, and i was not lecturing you, and yes i did miss some nuances, which is why i asked for clarification.... People write lrs, we comment and participate in lrs (i done this all my life in the community) btw, My friend clarified the nuances that i missed....

- you were not going to have the contacts on time (i missed this)
- and the reason you did not go pee (is cause you thought in your gut she would leave and have a state crash)

But listen here is my advice(very positive):

- go to a store or pharmacy
- buy tampons
- then insert in your vagina
also get some Midol...

 

[James D]

in this post multiple times kj francis was trying to compliment you and you took it as an "attack"

The hell you talking about dude?

Took it as an "attack?"

Always been chill with KJ Francis.

He's one of the coolest guys on the forum and one I personally appreciate.

At which point did I say he was attacking me?

I was confused by him using single emoji and then linking to another post, so I asked for clarification and he explained (he has some condition where he's not posting on the forum until he completes a number of approaches and there's a backstory to that I hadn't seen)

@KJ Francis hate to bring you in this but please clarify if you thought I was claiming you were attacking me. Our exchanges have always been very cordial.

@Skills ,

If you see my response to him where I'm confused and asking for clarification as me claiming it's an "attack"... then you prove my point lol.

It's not even nuances that are missed on you.

It's basic English.

You don't know me. you don't know my intentions, and you don't know my personality...

Right back at you dude.

You don't know me.

It's the case on a public forum (I mean you should know that, right? You were popular on 4 of them)

What I know of you is what you write.

If you're gonna spread your negative vibes every time, that's all I'll know of you.

People write lrs, we comment and participate in lrs

Yeah dude that's how it works.

But that's not what you did.

You jumped in, shit on my LR and most of it was based on the fact that you missed the nuances in the first place.

It's cool to participate and of course disagree.

That's not what you're doing though.

Hence my advice to you:

Before you start typing furiously, copy and paste in a translator or maybe ChatGPT can hook you up.

Use this prompt "translate the above text in Spanish and explain the main points as if you're dealing with a particularly retarded person"

Don't worry if you don't understand the prompt btw.

Just copy and paste, AI will handle the rest. That's the beauty of AI. Even the retarded ones who miss all the nuances are taken care of.

 

[Skills]

I was confused by him using single emoji and then linking to another post, so I asked for clarification and he explained (he has some condition where he's not posting on the forum until he completes a number of approaches and there's a backstory to that I hadn't seen)

yes, and it came across like you were not getting it that he was complimenting you (i am trying to make the point of how some things can be misinterpreted via writing like it happened to you, when he posted the emoji)

If you see my response to him where I'm confused and asking for clarification as me claiming it's an "attack"... then you prove my point lol.

It's not even nuances that are missed on you.

It's basic English.

I am trying to clarify that this is what i was trying to do, even though it did not come across that way...

If you're gonna spread your negative vibes every time, that's all I'll know of you.

Well, i am sorry to tell you, that again that is your interpretention of what i am doing, "negative vibe" is just ridiculous specially from a night gamer, keep your opinions to yourself instead of spreading total false assumptions of who i am and what i do... is disrespectful.

Yeah dude that's how it works.

But that's not what you did.

You jumped in, shit on my LR and most of it was based on the fact that you missed the nuances in the first place.

Well that is not what i was trying to do, but that is on me, cause if it came across that way, again for the 5th time, not what i was trying to do.

It's cool to participate and of course disagree.

That's not what you're doing though.

I clarified many times what i was trying to do, there were things i did not like and that i like, that mentions, for example overly complimenting a women (can take away leverage)

opening with excuse me (many guys do it, but i always had a problem with this cause in usa and the homeless go "excuse me" all the time...

^ i was trying to participate in the stuff.... I usually like to last with my first lays (and i take cialis to numb my dick) so i don't cum, and i don't have a problem with women auto rejecting.

- i usually dont' get lmr, cause by the time of extraction i try cover all the things that could hold her back pre- pull

^ anyways man, i was trying to point different things out and wanted to have a discussion, you saw it as an attack, which was not my intention... But again, i show this to a friend, to see if it could have come across that way (he said yes) and again pointed the nuances (i took the nuances as you were advocating as rules), which is why i asked for clarification.

 

[James D]

keep your opinions to yourself instead of spreading total false assumptions

Dude you really should apply your own advice to yourself.

You always miss nuances, make a bunch of assumptions and start yapping right away.

That sums of the majority of your forum participation style.

Not the first time, won't be the last.

Anyway, pointless to discuss further...

keep your opinions to yourself instead of spreading total false assumptions of who i am and what i do... is disrespectful.

You're the disrespectful one dude.

Keep your random, thoughtless, retarded yapping to yourself, especially when you don't take the time to understand the nuances or are unable to (but as I said, use some AI to help you out)

It's disrespectful to derail an LR just because you can't resist yapping whatever goes through your head...

When you don't even understand the context of the LR in the first place.

Yeah, that pissed me off.

If you'll jump in and comment on my stuff, then at least have the decency to read it carefully, understand the context, get a translator if needed...

...and then make an observation.

That's when disagreeing becomes useful and sparks a discussion that everyone can benefit from.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Hey, I hope you won’t mind me jumping in during your heated battle with a quick question…

Really cool LR, but I’m confused about the similarity building you used.

I run the most efficient similarity building ever, finding her underlying values and matching them with mine.

Isn’t finding similarities the opposite of what we should be doing? I see that here it worked, which is why I’m confused.

I always thought that her saying something about herself and me going “omg me too, we have so much in common!” is really bad. It’s like trying to force connection.

How did you do it that she reacted to your “omg me too” technique well?

 

[mirror]

And I'm always wondering how guys who are supposedly good with women can be such negative people...

Do have an answer for this one:

Regardless of whether skills is good or bad.. (@Skills, i think you used to be optimistic but lately you went more into some kind of uncalibrated , less caring version of yourself; no clue how good you are in the field; i do remember you handing out some really good advice occassionally)

There are two sides to it:

1: the effects of PUA opposed to deep connections

I can imagine doing years of PUA also has a dehumanizing aspect in it that's tough to calibrate through (Not sure. ) )

For women it's often seen and expressed in literature that they can turn more psychopathic or disconnected if they have

2: the kind of people that are more attracted to promiscuity and hence PUA
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mysteries-love/202106/new-study-investigates-dark-triad-traits-and-link-promiscuity/amp

Hey, I hope you won’t mind me jumping in during your heated battle with a quick question…

Really cool LR, but I’m confused about the similarity building you used.



Isn’t finding similarities the opposite of what we should be doing? I see that here it worked, which is why I’m confused.

I always thought that her saying something about herself and me going “omg me too, we have so much in common!” is really bad. It’s like trying to force connection.

How did you do it that she reacted to your “omg me too” technique well?

You actually got exactly into what he meant. Superficial matching often seems ingenuine, but similarity in itself is very attractive to people, and the more deep it seems, the more people like it. But like, the keypoint is: it has to seem genuine, and connect on a deeper level. If it is a lot of superficial stuff, it wont do a lot anyway. If it is a lot regardless of depth, it will be more likely seem not genuine. So by not matching on superficial stuff you already show you are not trying to please, and by matching at the real deep stuff, it seems like you actually have a connection that the other trusts to be real.

I think I made a mess of explaining it, but regardless hope that you got the point(s)

 

[James D]

always thought that her saying something about herself and me going “omg me too, we have so much in common!” is really bad. It’s like trying to force connection.

Yes you're right.

This isn't what we're doing with building similarity.

Similarity refers to attitude similarity.

How aligned your underlying values/motivations are.

You can have superficial differences yet share underlying values.

For example, I like story writing and you like painting.

On a superficial level, our hobbies are entirely different.

But if I tell you that I like story writing because it allows me to express something from deep within and make it take shape with a situation and characters...

And you tell me that you like painting exactly because it allows you express something deep within and place it in a context...

Now we just aligned on our motivational values.

We are now way more aligned than if I had said I also like painting.

 

[Skills]

Do have an answer for this one:

Regardless of whether skills is good or bad.. (@Skills, i think you used to be optimistic but lately you went more into some kind of uncalibrated , less caring version of yourself; no clue how good you are in the field; i do remember you handing out some really good advice occassionally)

There are two sides to it:

1: the effects of PUA opposed to deep connections

I can imagine doing years of PUA also has a dehumanizing aspect in it that's tough to calibrate through (Not sure. ) )

For women it's often seen and expressed in literature that they can turn more psychopathic or disconnected if they have

2: the kind of people that are more attracted to promiscuity and hence PUA
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mysteries-love/202106/new-study-investigates-dark-triad-traits-and-link-promiscuity/amp



You actually got exactly into what he meant. Superficial matching often seems ingenuine, but similarity in itself is very attractive to people, and the more deep it seems, the more people like it. But like, the keypoint is: it has to seem genuine, and connect on a deeper level. If it is a lot of superficial stuff, it wont do a lot anyway. If it is a lot regardless of depth, it will be more likely seem not genuine. So by not matching on superficial stuff you already show you are not trying to please, and by matching at the real deep stuff, it seems like you actually have a connection that the other trusts to be real.

I think I made a mess of explaining it, but regardless hope that you got the point(s)

No that deep....pua make you more human which is the opposite at least in my case...

-through the years i heard all types of fakse accusations:

-virgin, they could not believe at 35 i was killing it on the field
-supporting troll
-racist, though my mom is black
- latin club expert, even though i never game in latin clubs
- the new one is negative lol, for a dude that is the happiest guy in the community... Not an opinion a fact...
- oh wait now pua dehumanize me ..

So guys for whatever reason that don't like me, most of them eventually flip at one point or another...

Star repeating false claims, the friends or poster that like the dude making false claims with no evidence start to repeat the false claims...

Eventually I keep posting and providing value and getting people laid
..

- most of the guys making weird slandering stuff usually don't make it and leave or get ban...

I will repeat what happened here:

- read lay report and like the post

- commented on lr on what i like and what I thought could have done better..
I do this in the 15 years in the community..
- op misunderstood my intentions
- spoke to Velasco and ask him if he thought i was being uncalibrated and how i came across
- reason i did the above cause i was unaware of how my responses came across.
- he told me came across as me shitting on the lr which was not my intention at alll.
- james started flaming... I responded but I am trying not to cause is not my lr...

- very simple people can read my archives and decide for themselves or just ignore me and my posts is ok....

I will make a lr today, you can read and decide if I have skills or no, will be deleted after a wee, I don't wany stuff public... I will appreciate make a separate post were you can title it the reason i think mr. Skils is a prick in the community post with evidence and then you can psycho analoze me.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Superficial matching often seems ingenuine

How aligned your underlying values/motivations are.

I get it guys, but what’s our goal with building similarity? It’s to create a connection, and that in itself feels quite needy to me. She could think, why are we even mentioning similarities? Do we want something from her?

Maybe I’m wrong, but desperately trying to force connection by mentioning that our values are similar to hers is not any better than mentioning superficial stuff. In her head she hears you like “omg I also like expressing something deep, wow we’re literally soulmates, please like me now”.

I hope you get me, even if it’s genuine, it’s done with an agenda, and girls can sense that.

Or maybe you don’t do the “omg me too” part and you just mention your values? So that she can connect the dots herself? But still, even telling her your values in hopes she likes them could be seen as needy.

It’s all done with a “please connect with me” agenda, but maybe I’m missing something.

 

[James D]

I get it guys, but what’s our goal with building similarity? It’s to create a connection, and that in itself feels quite needy to me. She could think, why are we even mentioning similarities? Do we want something from her?

Maybe I’m wrong, but desperately trying to force connection by mentioning that our values are similar to hers is not any better than mentioning superficial stuff. In her head she hears you like “omg I also like expressing something deep, wow we’re literally soulmates, please like me now”.

I hope you get me, even if it’s genuine, it’s done with an agenda, and girls can sense that.

Or maybe you don’t do the “omg me too” part and you just mention your values? So that she can connect the dots herself? But still, even telling her your values in hopes she likes them could be seen as needy.

It’s all done with a “please connect with me” agenda, but maybe I’m missing something.

You're missing something.

There's no desperation there.

And there's no forcing a connection.

It's not actually about forming a connection.

It's about trust and comfort.

Good similarity builds a sense of trust and some girls will need that more before allowing the courtship to progress.

We admire and trust people who share our underlying values.

It's just the way it is.

With some girls you'll need to establish that trust and comfort before you can move things forward.

With others, you might need very little. Maybe something about you already creates that comfort or she's just really excited about you.

Also the way you build similarity matters.

I'm not doing the "omg we are so similar" thing, that's bad game obviously.

You shouldn't do like literally telling her "look how similar we are, look how well we connect"

That's terrible.

The correct way is to lead her to conclude that you're similar.

You probe into the why of her choices and share something similar about you, and she will naturally arrive at the conclusion that are you and her on the same wavelength.

She won't think it consciously.

She'll get a feeling she likes being around you, feels comfortable and feels that you "get her"

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Yeah so I just went through the thread. Love the LR James.

I enjoy your LRs the best. Just like DWW. Detailed, step by step, and a good idea of your thought process during the seduction.

However, I agree with @Skills on ONE thing. When you said:

"I fake an orgasm. Why? Because girls get self conscious if you don't cum and I could not risk it with this girl."

It definitely did NOT sound like you were implying context with this girl. It sounded like you were making a sweeping generalization about girls. So I'm happy skills actually pointed that out.

For @Skills a big reason why your post comes across as trashing is because James is already familiar with your style.

Repeating the whole "I dont like direct thing" and "I dont like guys saying: excuse me" sounds like you're attacking him.

Because you're driving a point home that op already understands and is okay with doing the opposite.

 

[James D]

Yeah so I just went through the thread. Love the LR James.

I enjoy your LRs the best. Just like DWW. Detailed, step by step, and a good idea of your thought process during the seduction.

However, I agree with @Skills on ONE thing. When you said:

"I fake an orgasm. Why? Because girls get self conscious if you don't cum and I could not risk it with this girl."

It definitely did NOT sound like you were implying context with this girl. It sounded like you were making a sweeping generalization about girls. So I'm happy skills actually pointed that out.

For @Skills a big reason why your post comes across as trashing is because James is already familiar with your style.

Repeating the whole "I dont like direct thing" and "I dont like guys saying: excuse me" sounds like you're attacking him.

Because you're driving a point home that op already understands and is okay with doing the opposite.

The best and most balanced post in this derailed thread.

Much appreciated!

And you're right.

I simply wrote it wrong about the not cumming thing.

Should have made it clear it was about that specific hyper self conscious girl.

Cheers man!

 

[OldGuy]

In my experience, women do get upset if you don't cum. I give James credit though, since I have never been successful in faking one.

 

[James D]

In my experience, women do get upset if you don't cum. I give James credit though, since I have never been successful in faking one.

Some get excited and take it as a challenge to make you cum.

Others, the more self conscious ones, can get in their heads about it.

I opted to have minimum factors to upset this particular girl.

 

[Francis]

@James D
@Skills

Didn't read everything but saw the tag...

I think it's key to watch Skills YouTube videos and see who he is... The guy is super genuine. His criticism is always intended to help and I think it comes across negative sometimes because he is quite sure of himself and rightly so based off of decades of field testing. Also competitive high T and just wants to give hard truths to help just like your cool ass uncle. Brah!

I don't think it is meant to knock you down whatsoever... He regularly cites James D as best day gamer (not always tagged so maybe missed!) and I think the comments are in the spirit of optimization to help get you from 95% amazing to 97% amazing or whatever.

I didn't take our interaction wrong because we've had similar things in the past and it's clarification. Yes probably some language barrier. Our first ever was me saying you're the only guy who practices facial expressions. And then we clarified it was a compliment of your work ethic.

7% of communication is the words, right?

With the generic direct opener, I think maybe it works cause James D fundamentals are off the chain (I.e. outlier level). I forget how many hours you spent practicing the "cute and sexy" look in the mirror. It was a whole hell of a lot of hours.

And you are tall and muscular and lean?

I think your first impressions are probably incredibly high value plus incredibly engaging voice tone and playfulness and all that...

So even telling her omg girl you are so sexy.... It's kind of increasing attainability to match the value in a a VAC sense? Kind of like Hector style... Don Juan type stuff with zero neediness to balance it out.

The glasses thing is cool because of limiting beliefs. If someone with no eyelashes came here complaining we'd say dude that's just one tiny attraction factor and a limiting belief. Because we know if you had the personality and behavior of Gunwitch you could clean up regardless. ~"What one man can do another can" -Mystery

I liked this writeup because it got into the introspection more. Like @Atlas IV I think has amazing reports because he shares what's in his mind at various levels and analyzes his own psychology or at least mindsets and such.

***

With the cumming thing my most intense "relationship" I did not cum with her until like the fourth or fifth time no joke... I was on purpose seeing other girls so I could last as long as I wanted with her. Because I can be prone to quick release especially back then.

She did get self conscious but it took a while. It didn't matter until down the line because I was making her cum and squirt and leaving her a puddle... And then giving her the validation on a connection level and cuddling and time together talking so she felt desired. From how I fucked her she felt real desired for sure.

This week I came fast with two different girls in one day (theory new girls and when separated for a while your body will want to impregnate) and the next day (sweet treats LR last night) I did not cum. She could really feel how much I desired her though. I don't know how she felt about it specifically but she sure as hell seemed happy overall.

Now someone like my lay report already... I need validation... It's like no one is cumming for my stuff.

She wasn't even on vacation! Just playing

Also a guy faking an orgasm with a girl... That is final boss level of flipping the script haha

 

[Francis]

She wasn't even on vacation!

Lol clarification... looks like no travel context here...

Inb4 Velasco my girl was green

 

[mirror]

You shouldn't do like literally telling her "look how similar we are, look how well we connect"

That's terrible.

It´s so much fun thou.