''Heightflation'' and height-ism

[SpikeSpiegel]

or height inflation, Feels like height has become more important than usual in dating over the past few years, anyone else noticed that?

i also for the first time in my life got shit for my height recently too (she said 5'10 isnt enough, i treated it as a shit test)


what's the optimal way to react to being told your height isnt enough? agree and amplify? tell her to deal with it? tell her we're not a match/she's free to leave and bail?

 

[topcat]

or height inflation, Feels like height has become more important than usual in dating over the past few years, anyone else noticed that?

i also for the first time in my life got shit for my height recently too (she said 5'10 isnt enough, i treated it as a shit test)


what's the optimal way to react to being told your height isnt enough? agree and amplify? tell her to deal with it? tell her we're not a match/she's free to leave and bail?

“enough to do what?”

“enough to [fuck me/be my bf/etc/etc]”

“that’s very presumptuous of you ..who told you i was looking to [fuck you/be your bf/etc/etc]?”

“blah blah”

*if she sticks around start screening her*

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in general if a girl tells me i’m short, i say “am i?” all confused like and start patting myself down, observing myself as if i just woke up in the wrong body, then smirk at her.

don’t take it seriously, it means she’s considering you for something long term - does she even qualify?

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

or height inflation, Feels like height has become more important than usual in dating over the past few years, anyone else noticed that?

i also for the first time in my life got shit for my height recently too (she said 5'10 isnt enough, i treated it as a shit test)


what's the optimal way to react to being told your height isnt enough? agree and amplify? tell her to deal with it? tell her we're not a match/she's free to leave and bail?

Masculinity is expansive and is not necessarily related to height. I am 174 cm

You will realise this when you get amogged by guys shorter than you or when women leave you for someone much shorter.

Having approached really tall girls in my life, they cared more about how i behaved with them rather than my height.

 

[SpikeSpiegel]

it means she’s considering you for something long term

the girl i mentioned in fact was doing that, she kept qualifying herself about being ''trad'' and general wifey stuff she does (which i didnt reward at all)i somehow got boyfriendzoned and not loverzoned, i take being considered for long term a negative thing, thats not a good at all and it lead her to slow things down (delaying dates, slow gaming) so i bailed, i just assumed i fucked up somewhere or she just doesnt like me that way or im too short, despite her being lovey dovey and shit

also i like the enough for what? reply, turns it against her im adding this to my repertoire, thanks

You will realise this when you get amogged by guys shorter than you or when women leave you for someone much shorter

yeah true, i took a girl from a taller guy before and im 177, one of my exes was taller than me, but again this stuff happened 5+ years ago, i made this post because i noticed a new change

 

[Maddash]

or height inflation, Feels like height has become more important than usual in dating over the past few years, anyone else noticed that?

i also for the first time in my life got shit for my height recently too (she said 5'10 isnt enough, i treated it as a shit test)


what's the optimal way to react to being told your height isnt enough? agree and amplify? tell her to deal with it? tell her we're not a match/she's free to leave and bail?

I don’t really buy “height inflation” as some new huge thing.


What’s changed is apps. On apps girls use height like a quick filter because they can. IRL it matters way less once your "vibe" is there.


Either way, treat “you’re too short” like any other frame test or as you would call it (shit test):

Dont defend
Dont explain

You can even act like shes the only one that has said that to you. Something along the lines of "Well now ive heard that too", can be used for a lot of frame tests, Sounds especially good in norway / norwegian tho. Then just change the subject, if shes persistant on talking about your height or height in general there is something off about the girl. as long as your answer is chill and playful and not defensive you will pass and answer it in the "optimal way".

And tbh height is almost never a real dealbreaker unless you’re actually really short (like under ~165). And even then its usually just a frame test. It also matters what stage of talking / stage you guys are in, but this is generally what i would have said.

 

[OldGuy]

There can be a problem if you are short and young looking with the woman thinking you are too young (and the short is just her thinking that is easier than if she said too young). If you have that problem, try to look older with facial hair or grooming. (Hard to look really young if you're over 6 feet (180cm)).

 

[SpikeSpiegel]

You can even act like shes the only one that has said that to you

she is genuinely the only one who said that to me, and i told her that ''that's a first...'' didnt have to act

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Height is definitely a thing.
On apps for sure but also clearly IRL.

Being tall and also handsome puts a guy in another tier imo/ime. They are the most desirable men to women.. it’s a generalisation/general rule but it’s true .

guys can come back with exceptions ( as this debate goes on forums) .. but I will tell them ‘the exception proves the rule ‘.

I mean ..There is almost no evidence of short guys rolling with /pulling tall model chicks on a regular basis just using mad ‘Game’. . Unless he also has mad cash and status to go with his shorter stature.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Just a theory but I think that women want to feel small in front of her man so the easiest way would be get a man who is taller than her.

So, it's might be more about dominance of a man which is easily seen through his height superficially. So, when a women sees a tall man ( atleast taller than her, she might see him as naturally more dominant than her).

I have got great looks to compensate for not being really tall tho.

Masculinity and frame control can be the way around. But, i have yet to experience it myself.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Just a theory but I think that women want to feel small in front of her man so the easiest way would be get a man who is taller than her.

So, it's might be more about dominance of a man which is easily seen through his height superficially. So, when a women sees a tall man ( atleast taller than her, she might see him as naturally more dominant than her).

I have got great looks to compensate for not being really tall tho.

Masculinity and frame control can be the way around. But, i have yet to experience it myself.

Absolutely . You hit the nail re dominance.
And yes masculinity and frame control are definitely a way around it. Still having and projecting Dominance and Alpha ness.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Absolutely . You hit the nail re dominance.
And yes masculinity and frame control are definitely a way around it. Still having and projecting Dominance and Alpha ness.

If a short guy dominates a tall guy in front of women. You know how things will work from there.

 

[James D]

I used to be in the camp of "tall guys are higher in sexual value no matter what" for a long time.

It was something I just had to accept and work around or even take advantage of (I'm average height but considered tall in Asia)

That was until I saw talented short guys crush taller guys and pull hot girls away from them.

Every short guy I have ever known who pulled hot girls had these in common:

-Very physically dominant
-Excellent sense of humour
-Amazing frame control

I've since then changed my stance to "it's really about dominance"

Physical dominance definitely helps, of which height and muscles fall into.

But based on everything I've seen, mental/social dominance far, far exceed physical dominance.

Unless you run into a Jason Momoa kinda of guy who's tall, ripped, good-looking, charming and spits mad game...

You can compensate just about any physical deficit you have with mental/social dominance.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I used to be in the camp of "tall guys are higher in sexual value no matter what" for a long time.

It was something I just had to accept and work around or even take advantage of (I'm average height but considered tall in Asia)

That was until I saw talented short guys crush taller guys and pull hot girls away from them.

Every short guy I have ever known who pulled hot girls had these in common:

-Very physically dominant
-Excellent sense of humour
-Amazing frame control

I've since then changed my stance to "it's really about dominance"

Physical dominance definitely helps, of which height and muscles fall into.

But based on everything I've seen, mental/social dominance far, far exceed physical dominance.

Unless you run into a Jason Momoa kinda of guy who's tall, ripped, good-looking, charming and spits mad game...

You can compensate just about any physical deficit you have with mental/social dominance.

I’d agree with some of this. I come from the same perspective re Gaming chicks and getting better results with mental and verbal dominance or just generally giving off the dominant male vibe.

but… in general, taller guys are sporty (especially in my country) and fit , and have plenty of mental and verbal dominance too to go with physical height and frame /muscles. Theyre competitive and know how to play that social game quite well.

So it’s alpha jocks /Chads /AMOGs types.

So in terms of going up against those types as a shorter guy.. it’s not quite that clear cut imo.

A shorter physically dominant guy , could out game a tall soft guy . But against the general alpha types there’ll be a fair battle going on.

I haven’t seen as much wins as you in that arena. IDK

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

I’d agree with some of this. I come from the same perspective re Gaming chicks and getting better results with mental and verbal dominance or just generally giving off the dominant male vibe.

but… in general, taller guys are sporty (especially in my country) and fit , and have plenty of mental and verbal dominance too to go with physical height and frame /muscles. Theyre competitive and know how to play that social game quite well.

So it’s alpha jocks /Chads /AMOGs types.

So in terms of going up against those types as a shorter guy.. it’s not quite that clear cut imo.

A shorter physically dominant guy , could out game a tall soft guy . But against the general alpha types there’ll be a fair battle going on.

I haven’t seen as much wins as you in that arena. IDK

Not trying to kj but ultimately my aim is to become someone who can get results in situations not feasible to most men.

I came into pickup not to follow the rules but to create my own journey.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Not trying to kj but ultimately my aim is to become someone who can get results in situations not feasible to most men.

I came into pickup not to follow the rules but to create my own journey.

We all did.

but also … Reality.

Reality is out there. Yknow?

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

We all did.

but also … Reality.

Reality is out there. Yknow?

True and I have been beaten by it quite many times.

But, I can't give up ... Not at where I have come in this journey.

 

[Will_V]

What's the point of worrying about what you can't change?

These kind of threads always veer toward lowkey neediness and validation seeking, which are incidentally the signals that cause women to test short guys to begin with.

Nature only cares about one thing: success. Height is an advantage toward success. Therefore women want to know if you are still going to succeed, therefore women test short guys more in the beginning.

what's the optimal way to react to being told your height isnt enough? agree and amplify? tell her to deal with it? tell her we're not a match/she's free to leave and bail?

Same as any other test.

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[Brassfaced_Jim]

or height inflation, Feels like height has become more important than usual in dating over the past few years, anyone else noticed that?

i also for the first time in my life got shit for my height recently too (she said 5'10 isnt enough, i treated it as a shit test)


what's the optimal way to react to being told your height isnt enough? agree and amplify? tell her to deal with it? tell her we're not a match/she's free to leave and bail?

Spike - some reply ideas. I’ve used in the past

1, “that’s height-ist!” See if she rolls with this with humour , if she banters back , and you can transition into “what’s an inch or two between friends?” And roll on in convo

2. “ I make up for this in other areas , God doesn’t always deal out all his blessings equally .. IF you know what I mean”
(Ie I am well hung which compensa)
Or something like that .. she if she takes the bait and just roll on.

Try either push back on it to find a chink /opportunity with her explanation in #1 and close the gap of the inches
or try negotiate other more attractive qualities in #2 (big dick)

I’ve done something similar like this on a dating app with a Tall chick years ago. And that allowed me to roll on in the chat to a big persuasion /flirty texting session and finally to a visit to her Apartment that evening. with a gift of a ‘chocolate bar’.. which was the excuse to come visit her apartment. and get some action,
Turned out she had big fake tits to boot as well as her tallness.

Which was nice.
But it was a once off.. and a rarer situation.

But it can be done!

 

[Skills]

i just saw an interview with "Neil Strauss" who is short 5 7 or so, he said he had this insecurity and then he started to realize that women were looking not for height, but for what height conveys which is "protection and security"...

makes sense, cause every time i ask this subject to women matches what they say in womanize...

for example he said "money" conveys hard work/competence etc....

Anyways, all this height post is cope posts...

 

[SpikeSpiegel]

2. “ I make up for this in other areas , God doesn’t always deal out all his blessings equally .. IF you know what I mean”

thats still within her frame though and is approval seeking isnt it? i found an old post on this site before posting mine, and op mentioned doing this exact thing ''those inches went somewhere else if you know what i mean'' but according to him it didnt give him results and was brushed off, i personally would go with just a bland ''noted.'' or ''okay.'' and stop initiating. or ''then we're not compatible'' or ''not trying to be enough for you/didnt ask you to like it'', maybe ''take it or leave it''

all this height post is cope posts...

where's the cope?