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[KJ Francis]

Fine! I'll stay offline.

This is really only for @Marty and @OldGuy and @L8D8

I've had decent success with older women using longer messages, while setting clear as day sexual frames.

My online photos have always been so bad, people say they can't see me. In this case there was confusion over how much younger I am than her, and she ended up canceling.

Didn't want the texting to go to waste...

She's got a real tight waist and sings in church.

***

Me: Hello [her name], I see you're a Pisces, which means we'd be in for a bit of trouble and end up lost in fantasy. Might be dangerous. Still though, mine would be to meet and get to know each other before you get any ideas. I have found the most fulfillment in connecting with someone really wrong for you. It opens up a purity to the experience. Slow down though... let's start with tea.

Her: Fulfillment and connecting with someone really wrong for you? Did you mean for that to come out like that?

Me: Well I read that over 90% of communication is processed non-verbally, so until we meet it's very low odds anything is reaching you as intended. But yes, since life's only constant is impermanence, and relationships need to progress over time or flame out, anything beyond an evening is a pretty special experience of the present moment absent of any agenda, whether for a week or over years.

Her: True

Me [4 days later after holiday] Hi [her name], I just logged on again and saw this. If you're still here, what do you say let's get together for a tea or something and have a chat.

Her: Sure why not.

Me: Great, how do your evenings look this week? I'm thinking this cafe [name, street city, map URL]. Let me know how you feel about that. You're also welcome to come have tea in [my city]... There's a cozy little restaurant right here that makes a couple kinds.

Her: The only night I have open this week is Tuesday like about 7 o’clock?

Me: Ah I've got [redacted], but could meet by 8. Does that work to meet at [restaurant, address]?

Her: That works. What’s your phone number?

Me: Ok, you're on. [redacted], but feel free to text. [my number]

[one day later]...

Her: Hey, I don’t know if I feel like driving all the way to [my city] for 8 o’clock meet and greet, you think there’s anywhere in between that you can think of? I’m in [her city].

Her: How about [bar name in city half-way on street]?

Me: Oh that is far... I suppose everyone has a bedtime. Wouldn't want you to get grounded... or turn into a pumpkin [note for foreign guys this is from Cinderella after midnight]. [bar] works, but I was going to [redacted] a little early and walk over... [restaurant] is in my lobby. I can easily shoot up to [bar] but it's going to be more like 8:30 if that works. Something tells me you get up at like 4am to work out.

Her: No it’s only far for me downtown! You just said you’re walking from your lobby give me a break! Lol. And no I definitely don't get up at 4 AM to work out. You’re making a lot of early presumptions. I thought [bar] would be in between. again I’m coming from [her area].

Her: Do you live in [place] or something? Is that what the issue was you driving home?

Me: When I said "Oh that is far", I mean [her city] is far! I can easily shoot up to [bar]. From [her area] it's 32 minutes to the [bar], or 38 to [restaurant]. I live above [restaurant] in [city]. I'd be walking from [redacted]. So it's up to you - we can either meet at 8:30... or if you want to drive about 5 more mins we can meet at 8pm if a little earlier is better for you.

Her: Ok. Ur right. I’ve never been to [restaurant] and I’m sure it’s a lot better than [bar].

Her: So 8:00 it is.

Me: It's cute. You'll fit right in. Shoot me a text if you have any issue. [parking logistics]

Her: Ok. My number is [her number]

 

[KJ Francis]

Me: What would Jesus think right...

Me: Why don't you tell me what makes you feel hesitant... Maybe there's another way to look at it

[Few hours later, back online to show I'm not chasing/hounding her phone]

Me: Do you want to meet sometime and just talk about life? I wanted your insights as much as anything else. It's ok if the rest is too much for you... I mean really just to talk to you.

Her: Ah…. I can do that. You have my number to call…. Francis at [my age]

***

Given that we went from open to logistics in only a few long messages, and she was under the assumption I was older while also not getting a good look at me, I think it's worth a shot for the older guys going for older gals.

Gentleman rake...

Next, gotta watch Don Juan DeMarco...

 

[KJ Francis]

All thoughts welcome, including psychological commentary.



Me: Ok keep an eye out. I know you've got a busy week and I'm pretty swamped with [redacted], but I'll be in touch. I can come a little closer to you, though you're of course again welcome to come to [restaurant].


Her: What's ur number again?


Me: Lol, back from the brink! [my apparently deleted number] hope you're having a good week


Her: I am! Busy all the time. Stay warm there [my fake name].


Her: I mean [my real name] [teeth smile emoji]


Me. Don't worry, we'll get you a play pretend name as well. Definitely will be enjoying a sweltering sauna tonight...


Her: Well, when I go to the dentist and she always asks me what flavor of polish I want I always say cinnamon and I tell her that’s my stripper name lol. JUST KIDDING!! I can’t help it if I’m funny.


Me: Ha you did actually get an audible laugh out of me [true because she escalated the sexual frame lol]. And sure, that works. I'll change your contact name in my phone. Do you do in calls? I once met four strippers in an alley and chatted for a while. Actually very sweet girls. Foxy... Hennessey... forget the others...


Her: lol……. It would be nice if we chatted on phone.


Me: Ohh no an "in-call" is a very different thing, Cinnamon...


Her: No, I know what you’re talking about. I’m just talking about a phone call [my fake name] [my real name]


Me: You don't have to feel nervous with me [her name]... Why don't you come chat in person. Plus to be honest I grew up with a stutter and much prefer conversing with eye contact.


[redacted personal back and forth]


Me: Don't tell me you pay for groceries with paper checks and have a land line.


[no answer]


Me: [redacted personal detail] If we can run two paper cups on strings between our windows though I'd love to chat with you.


Her: Why do you say silly random stuff like that about a landline and paper checks? Why are you trying to insult me by being trying to be funny?


Me: Because I can't see your eyes and how it affects you. I want you to chuckle and blush, not feel a sting. I owe you a hug.


Her: yeah, you don’t wanna be a cocky little [my age]-year-old you are a bright intelligent man


Me: Thank you... I'm glad you're past the age gap. I am poking you though... Screening for someone who can put up with my old guy ways...


[redacted personal, talked about keeping phone off for days, alarm clocks, sauna vs steam room]


Me: [redacted re shower] , we'd have to take turns using mine. Getting way ahead of ourselves! Let's start with tea!

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[She switches to phone texting]


Her: [photo of garlic shrimp and garlic bread] My yummy dinner


Me: Looks enticing. Trying to get me to come to yours instead huh... Got a mint?


[next day]


Me: So far all I know about you is you're not a vampire.


Her: Or an alien or vegetarian


Me: How do I know you're not an alien


Her: My mom told me I wasn't adopted by aliens and I was hers.


Me: I feel like you'd only bring this up if you are actually an alien.


[next day]


Me: I'm going to need anatomical proof before trusting you in the sauna.


Me [right after[: Hope your week's off to a good start! I'll be done with the semester after [day], so let me know if you'd like to plan getting together sometime soon to chat


Her: How bout this Saturday somewhere on [main road about half way]? Brunch or lunch??


Me: Ok but it's NOT a date so I can keep my lifetime no-dining streak going


Me: I looked all the way to [her area]... Will get back to you. Wasn't seeing any family owned diners with booths where we can sit on the same side and get some looks!


Her: Ok there is....but what time r we meeting? I'll get back w you.


Me: Let's do early if that works. How's 10


Her: [diner photo 1] How bout this?
Her: [diner photo 2] Or this


Me: Good thinking. Though they look popular. How bout 8am [diner 2] and then coffee at yours... Kidding... 10 also works. I can't say no to a place called [diner 2]


Her: 10:00 [diner 2] it is!


Me: Sounds good Cinnamon


Her: [crying laughing emoji]

 

[KJ Francis]

Had a full three hour date. Little long, but she was really invested in the conversation so I kept it going because the lay was not there and she needed comfort building (deep dive = connection).

HIGHLY recommend doing practice dates with older women. Gotta remember to not take ANYTHING at face value, but for anyone who can see through women's voiced opinions on relationships that may conflict with her actual reality, it can be a really fascinating experience.

She is super hot... It's like seeing what the HB9 will be when she gets old. She's not a leftover woman, this one... Been married, widowed, then a many-year relationship with a top authority on high profile projects in a large industry. Her career was assisting many C-suite execs, so she's spent a lot of time around powerful men.

And it was amazing to hear about how these guys cannot control their emotions. She said the guy she was dating was like a 5 year old and gets all huffy when he doesn't get his way. Opposite of that suave outcome independence we strive for here.

She also says men are scared of her. She comes off like a really confident woman (and noted how much she opened up to me and how I know the real her) but she said it's a big turnoff and she has no hope of meeting someone in the grocery store or gym so is trying online.

Other thing was the need for emotional talk. Most men can NOT do this at all. I'm NOT talking about venting to her or trauma dumping or letting her do so... It is just being able to engage with her on that level. This is a very feminine girly woman who needs strong masculine polarity, but the ability to do both is DEADLY (see Franco's "schizophrenic" technique).

It's amazing how comfortable older women are talking about sex, like girls at brunch kind of thing. Like they don't even realize how lewd they are. This let me build some good preselection through story swapping. Secret society stuff, etc.

She still has a mismatch between her conscious and subconscious where she cannot wrap her head around the age difference, but her actions betray her.

I did attempt a pull and could tell she became more attracted after I handled her rejection like nothing. I possibly could have persisted but I think it could have led to LMR. We still sat and talked after. She herself said she wants to meet up again and seems cool with coming for tea right near my place.

So It's still on.

In the parking lot she grabbed my hand and held it. I gave her a sensual kiss on the neck. She said I'm very smart and met me because I was intriguing, she thought I was cute, and most importantly took the lead and confidently moved things forward to pursue her. She said lots of guys do not get to the point and the chit chat turns her off because she is absolutely flooded with hundreds of messages online. The simple act of persistence after her first flake was an attraction trigger for sure. So again, maybe could have persisted a few times with the pull, but I really do think it would serve me better to not chase when she is clearly in a different frame logically and just do another date (before attraction expires) now that we have this baseline.

She actually expressed how she's worried she'd fall in love with me, would want more time together, couldn't introduce me to anyone, etc. She seemed genuine. She told stories of past hookups off the dance floor, on vacation, etc. But I really don't think she's ever had an ongoing casual relationship that was set with those expectations. Mostly long, long LTR's. She said something I've heard girls mention offhand before, which I think we forget sometimes... A woman can walk into any room and get sex from her physical type in two seconds. If there is no external boyfriend disqualification like being on vacation, she's thinking in terms of companionship and partnership. So I guess that's where compliance, arousal, plausible deniability etc. come in... Getting her to stop thinking and go with it.

But that requires LOGISTICS. So next time it will have to be a short walk to the bed or bust.

 

[KJ Francis]

Oh another interesting thing was how apparent the M3 stages were. Mystery always stresses these are HER steps, not yours. It's about her own emotional pacing.

Her interest in me was already built before meeting with how I handled the flake, etc and some things she said above. So A2 in person was QUICK like a minute or two. She immediately started asking about me (which I kept brief), she brushed her hair, then went hard into qualifying herself (A3). She HAS TO FEEL YOUR INTEREST IS EARNED.

Then C1 trust building she turned it back to me and wanted a sense of my identity. Once that passed, we were fully in C2 and it was all swapping stories and stuff.

Lovedrop wrote in Revelation that all human conversation in dating can be boiled down to DHV's, DLV's, IOI's, and IOD's. Every component is one of those.

But it was very interesting once we got past all that stuff, it was all about connecting (don't forget sexual frames).

Call it settling in, but it was very apparent she was moving through some stages.

 

[KJ Francis]

So It's still on.

Me: It was lovely chatting [her name]. I think you made all the waitresses jealous. Have a nice night

[After sending the above I was like waiiit that could come off conceited and she didn't answer, so in a little I said...]

Me: And I mean from overhearing some juicy conversation topics. It was nice to speak so openly. Not everyone can.

[This was implying not everyone can like she can, but given her comments in person about how guys can't converse like we were, it could also make her consider my rarity]

Her: [selfie]

Her: It was great talking w you. Very enriching. Right? I wonder if anybody overheard anything, you never know. Watev I say

Her: Sorry that shirt got too low [upside down smiley face emoji]

Her: [selfie]

Her: This is the one I meant to send and delete the other one

Me: Very nice Cinnamon [callback humor to her stripper name]. [Her name]'s is too. It can be rewarding to go with your first instinct. Enriching sounds right. Let's converse again soon.

Her: Ok

Me: How's this week before we get into the holidays

Her: This week tough for that.

[couple minutes later]

Her: Tues night or following Sunday.... ?

Me: Sure the 16th works. Let's say tea at [restaurant she knows is next to my apartment]?

Her: 7?

Me: Deal