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[KJ Francis]

Fine! I'll stay offline.

This is really only for @Marty and @OldGuy and @L8D8

I've had decent success with older women using longer messages, while setting clear as day sexual frames.

My online photos have always been so bad, people say they can't see me. In this case there was confusion over how much younger I am than her, and she ended up canceling.

Didn't want the texting to go to waste...

She's got a real tight waist and sings in church.

***

Me: Hello [her name], I see you're a Pisces, which means we'd be in for a bit of trouble and end up lost in fantasy. Might be dangerous. Still though, mine would be to meet and get to know each other before you get any ideas. I have found the most fulfillment in connecting with someone really wrong for you. It opens up a purity to the experience. Slow down though... let's start with tea.

Her: Fulfillment and connecting with someone really wrong for you? Did you mean for that to come out like that?

Me: Well I read that over 90% of communication is processed non-verbally, so until we meet it's very low odds anything is reaching you as intended. But yes, since life's only constant is impermanence, and relationships need to progress over time or flame out, anything beyond an evening is a pretty special experience of the present moment absent of any agenda, whether for a week or over years.

Her: True

Me [4 days later after holiday] Hi [her name], I just logged on again and saw this. If you're still here, what do you say let's get together for a tea or something and have a chat.

Her: Sure why not.

Me: Great, how do your evenings look this week? I'm thinking this cafe [name, street city, map URL]. Let me know how you feel about that. You're also welcome to come have tea in [my city]... There's a cozy little restaurant right here that makes a couple kinds.

Her: The only night I have open this week is Tuesday like about 7 o’clock?

Me: Ah I've got [redacted], but could meet by 8. Does that work to meet at [restaurant, address]?

Her: That works. What’s your phone number?

Me: Ok, you're on. [redacted], but feel free to text. [my number]

[one day later]...

Her: Hey, I don’t know if I feel like driving all the way to [my city] for 8 o’clock meet and greet, you think there’s anywhere in between that you can think of? I’m in [her city].

Her: How about [bar name in city half-way on street]?

Me: Oh that is far... I suppose everyone has a bedtime. Wouldn't want you to get grounded... or turn into a pumpkin [note for foreign guys this is from Cinderella after midnight]. [bar] works, but I was going to [redacted] a little early and walk over... [restaurant] is in my lobby. I can easily shoot up to [bar] but it's going to be more like 8:30 if that works. Something tells me you get up at like 4am to work out.

Her: No it’s only far for me downtown! You just said you’re walking from your lobby give me a break! Lol. And no I definitely don't get up at 4 AM to work out. You’re making a lot of early presumptions. I thought [bar] would be in between. again I’m coming from [her area].

Her: Do you live in [place] or something? Is that what the issue was you driving home?

Me: When I said "Oh that is far", I mean [her city] is far! I can easily shoot up to [bar]. From [her area] it's 32 minutes to the [bar], or 38 to [restaurant]. I live above [restaurant] in [city]. I'd be walking from [redacted]. So it's up to you - we can either meet at 8:30... or if you want to drive about 5 more mins we can meet at 8pm if a little earlier is better for you.

Her: Ok. Ur right. I’ve never been to [restaurant] and I’m sure it’s a lot better than [bar].

Her: So 8:00 it is.

Me: It's cute. You'll fit right in. Shoot me a text if you have any issue. [parking logistics]

Her: Ok. My number is [her number]

 

[KJ Francis]

Me: What would Jesus think right...

Me: Why don't you tell me what makes you feel hesitant... Maybe there's another way to look at it

[Few hours later, back online to show I'm not chasing/hounding her phone]

Me: Do you want to meet sometime and just talk about life? I wanted your insights as much as anything else. It's ok if the rest is too much for you... I mean really just to talk to you.

Her: Ah…. I can do that. You have my number to call…. Francis at [my age]

***

Given that we went from open to logistics in only a few long messages, and she was under the assumption I was older while also not getting a good look at me, I think it's worth a shot for the older guys going for older gals.

Gentleman rake...

Next, gotta watch Don Juan DeMarco...

 

[KJ Francis]

All thoughts welcome, including psychological commentary.



Me: Ok keep an eye out. I know you've got a busy week and I'm pretty swamped with [redacted], but I'll be in touch. I can come a little closer to you, though you're of course again welcome to come to [restaurant].


Her: What's ur number again?


Me: Lol, back from the brink! [my apparently deleted number] hope you're having a good week


Her: I am! Busy all the time. Stay warm there [my fake name].


Her: I mean [my real name] [teeth smile emoji]


Me. Don't worry, we'll get you a play pretend name as well. Definitely will be enjoying a sweltering sauna tonight...


Her: Well, when I go to the dentist and she always asks me what flavor of polish I want I always say cinnamon and I tell her that’s my stripper name lol. JUST KIDDING!! I can’t help it if I’m funny.


Me: Ha you did actually get an audible laugh out of me [true because she escalated the sexual frame lol]. And sure, that works. I'll change your contact name in my phone. Do you do in calls? I once met four strippers in an alley and chatted for a while. Actually very sweet girls. Foxy... Hennessey... forget the others...


Her: lol……. It would be nice if we chatted on phone.


Me: Ohh no an "in-call" is a very different thing, Cinnamon...


Her: No, I know what you’re talking about. I’m just talking about a phone call [my fake name] [my real name]


Me: You don't have to feel nervous with me [her name]... Why don't you come chat in person. Plus to be honest I grew up with a stutter and much prefer conversing with eye contact.


[redacted personal back and forth]


Me: Don't tell me you pay for groceries with paper checks and have a land line.


[no answer]


Me: [redacted personal detail] If we can run two paper cups on strings between our windows though I'd love to chat with you.


Her: Why do you say silly random stuff like that about a landline and paper checks? Why are you trying to insult me by being trying to be funny?


Me: Because I can't see your eyes and how it affects you. I want you to chuckle and blush, not feel a sting. I owe you a hug.


Her: yeah, you don’t wanna be a cocky little [my age]-year-old you are a bright intelligent man


Me: Thank you... I'm glad you're past the age gap. I am poking you though... Screening for someone who can put up with my old guy ways...


[redacted personal, talked about keeping phone off for days, alarm clocks, sauna vs steam room]


Me: [redacted re shower] , we'd have to take turns using mine. Getting way ahead of ourselves! Let's start with tea!

---

[She switches to phone texting]


Her: [photo of garlic shrimp and garlic bread] My yummy dinner


Me: Looks enticing. Trying to get me to come to yours instead huh... Got a mint?


[next day]


Me: So far all I know about you is you're not a vampire.


Her: Or an alien or vegetarian


Me: How do I know you're not an alien


Her: My mom told me I wasn't adopted by aliens and I was hers.


Me: I feel like you'd only bring this up if you are actually an alien.


[next day]


Me: I'm going to need anatomical proof before trusting you in the sauna.


Me [right after[: Hope your week's off to a good start! I'll be done with the semester after [day], so let me know if you'd like to plan getting together sometime soon to chat


Her: How bout this Saturday somewhere on [main road about half way]? Brunch or lunch??


Me: Ok but it's NOT a date so I can keep my lifetime no-dining streak going


Me: I looked all the way to [her area]... Will get back to you. Wasn't seeing any family owned diners with booths where we can sit on the same side and get some looks!


Her: Ok there is....but what time r we meeting? I'll get back w you.


Me: Let's do early if that works. How's 10


Her: [diner photo 1] How bout this?
Her: [diner photo 2] Or this


Me: Good thinking. Though they look popular. How bout 8am [diner 2] and then coffee at yours... Kidding... 10 also works. I can't say no to a place called [diner 2]


Her: 10:00 [diner 2] it is!


Me: Sounds good Cinnamon


Her: [crying laughing emoji]

 

[KJ Francis]

Had a full three hour date. Little long, but she was really invested in the conversation so I kept it going because the lay was not there and she needed comfort building (deep dive = connection).

HIGHLY recommend doing practice dates with older women. Gotta remember to not take ANYTHING at face value, but for anyone who can see through women's voiced opinions on relationships that may conflict with her actual reality, it can be a really fascinating experience.

She is super hot... It's like seeing what the HB9 will be when she gets old. She's not a leftover woman, this one... Been married, widowed, then a many-year relationship with a top authority on high profile projects in a large industry. Her career was assisting many C-suite execs, so she's spent a lot of time around powerful men.

And it was amazing to hear about how these guys cannot control their emotions. She said the guy she was dating was like a 5 year old and gets all huffy when he doesn't get his way. Opposite of that suave outcome independence we strive for here.

She also says men are scared of her. She comes off like a really confident woman (and noted how much she opened up to me and how I know the real her) but she said it's a big turnoff and she has no hope of meeting someone in the grocery store or gym so is trying online.

Other thing was the need for emotional talk. Most men can NOT do this at all. I'm NOT talking about venting to her or trauma dumping or letting her do so... It is just being able to engage with her on that level. This is a very feminine girly woman who needs strong masculine polarity, but the ability to do both is DEADLY (see Franco's "schizophrenic" technique).

It's amazing how comfortable older women are talking about sex, like girls at brunch kind of thing. Like they don't even realize how lewd they are. This let me build some good preselection through story swapping. Secret society stuff, etc.

She still has a mismatch between her conscious and subconscious where she cannot wrap her head around the age difference, but her actions betray her.

I did attempt a pull and could tell she became more attracted after I handled her rejection like nothing. I possibly could have persisted but I think it could have led to LMR. We still sat and talked after. She herself said she wants to meet up again and seems cool with coming for tea right near my place.

So It's still on.

In the parking lot she grabbed my hand and held it. I gave her a sensual kiss on the neck. She said I'm very smart and met me because I was intriguing, she thought I was cute, and most importantly took the lead and confidently moved things forward to pursue her. She said lots of guys do not get to the point and the chit chat turns her off because she is absolutely flooded with hundreds of messages online. The simple act of persistence after her first flake was an attraction trigger for sure. So again, maybe could have persisted a few times with the pull, but I really do think it would serve me better to not chase when she is clearly in a different frame logically and just do another date (before attraction expires) now that we have this baseline.

She actually expressed how she's worried she'd fall in love with me, would want more time together, couldn't introduce me to anyone, etc. She seemed genuine. She told stories of past hookups off the dance floor, on vacation, etc. But I really don't think she's ever had an ongoing casual relationship that was set with those expectations. Mostly long, long LTR's. She said something I've heard girls mention offhand before, which I think we forget sometimes... A woman can walk into any room and get sex from her physical type in two seconds. If there is no external boyfriend disqualification like being on vacation, she's thinking in terms of companionship and partnership. So I guess that's where compliance, arousal, plausible deniability etc. come in... Getting her to stop thinking and go with it.

But that requires LOGISTICS. So next time it will have to be a short walk to the bed or bust.

 

[KJ Francis]

Oh another interesting thing was how apparent the M3 stages were. Mystery always stresses these are HER steps, not yours. It's about her own emotional pacing.

Her interest in me was already built before meeting with how I handled the flake, etc and some things she said above. So A2 in person was QUICK like a minute or two. She immediately started asking about me (which I kept brief), she brushed her hair, then went hard into qualifying herself (A3). She HAS TO FEEL YOUR INTEREST IS EARNED.

Then C1 trust building she turned it back to me and wanted a sense of my identity. Once that passed, we were fully in C2 and it was all swapping stories and stuff.

Lovedrop wrote in Revelation that all human conversation in dating can be boiled down to DHV's, DLV's, IOI's, and IOD's. Every component is one of those.

But it was very interesting once we got past all that stuff, it was all about connecting (don't forget sexual frames).

Call it settling in, but it was very apparent she was moving through some stages.

 

[KJ Francis]

So It's still on.

Me: It was lovely chatting [her name]. I think you made all the waitresses jealous. Have a nice night

[After sending the above I was like waiiit that could come off conceited and she didn't answer, so in a little I said...]

Me: And I mean from overhearing some juicy conversation topics. It was nice to speak so openly. Not everyone can.

[This was implying not everyone can like she can, but given her comments in person about how guys can't converse like we were, it could also make her consider my rarity]

Her: [selfie]

Her: It was great talking w you. Very enriching. Right? I wonder if anybody overheard anything, you never know. Watev I say

Her: Sorry that shirt got too low [upside down smiley face emoji]

Her: [selfie]

Her: This is the one I meant to send and delete the other one

Me: Very nice Cinnamon [callback humor to her stripper name]. [Her name]'s is too. It can be rewarding to go with your first instinct. Enriching sounds right. Let's converse again soon.

Her: Ok

Me: How's this week before we get into the holidays

Her: This week tough for that.

[couple minutes later]

Her: Tues night or following Sunday.... ?

Me: Sure the 16th works. Let's say tea at [restaurant she knows is next to my apartment]?

Her: 7?

Me: Deal

 

[KJ Francis]

Ok welcome back to Francis' live milf updates... she is in the bathroom... no just kidding. No LR yet.

Here's what happened. There were two legitimate reasons she couldn't stay I have to redact, but it's still on.

***

Her [night of date 1]: I just watched the documentary on prime about the plane crash with the rugby team into the Andes mountains so it was a short series and they interviewed the survivors Just absolutely amazing story just gives you chills. I saw the movie of course.

[Waited a while cause it was Saturday night so I don't know if this was like a really conscious test, or subconscious mixed with like just wanting to communicate with me after all our conversing? Either way we are thread dropping, not cutting...]

Me: Sounds harrowing. Impressive to survive. [I mean I cant just ignore it right? Full operant extinction conditioning would have been a very low attainability move not having laid yet right... but I don't want to lead this anywhere]

[next day later in day...]

Her: I just sat down, busy good day [redacted part unfortunately]

Me: Sounds more like a cougar [she had mentioned cougar before in a comment about her friends]

Her: Meow [not as dirty as it seems... it relates to the redacted part above]

Me: Good kitty... Not so scary

Her: All kitties have retractable claws though

Me: Good for back scratches [I think I ruined it here haha]

***

[ok now I left it a full day, then morning of the date now...]

Me: [screenshot of the original parking instructions from online dating lol and kept the part of her saying "Ok. My number is #" compliance... uh... anchor?]

Me: Good morning [her name]. I hope your week's off to a good start. I just sent you a screenshot of the parking details again to make it easy.

Her: Yep [this arrived like a millisecond after my text so I dunno if response to pic or back scratch]

Her: I'm hoping I can find a spot right in front of the door

Me: I think you'll get lucky. Should be fairly free on a Tuesday

Her: They look like they have a lot of yummy stuff on menu

Me: I'll likely grab a tea to sip, but won't mind watching if you feel like indulging.

Her: That's boring!

Me: Yep. Boring old man over here!

[later...]

Me: [parking logistics] I'm on the [lobby] couch inside.

Her: I'm late. 7:17 eta

Me: K correction I am napping on the couch inside. Drive safe

Her: You're lucky there's not a snowstorm. This train wouldn't be going this far [cardinal direction]. [maybe a frame thing against me saying she'll get lucky]

Me: Eyes on the road young lady! You don't want to get a flat and end up stuck here.

***

Ok so picture Jennifer Anniston, more feminine and girly, with a really cute voice.

She's taller than me. Showed a few videos singing in church, like heavily... Wears a cross necklace.

Alright so basically I should probably make a point to use some sex talk gambits now on dates. I haven't had a date in a while... Shout out to a couple multi-year fuck buddies... I was in and out the door in 15 minutes last night so I would last long enough... Definitely helped me keep it cool later on, which is a big bonus cause on a technical subconscious level it's still LMR and failed mating attempt.

I think she is still going through a process of wrapping her head around this. Like upon showing up she seems like she has now logically accepted she wants to make me like her ongoing boy toy. But I think a big part of it is like I am conversing with her like has never happened in her life. She still needs a lot of comfort building though it is obvious she is still settling into me... I am expecting it'll be like another woman I once learned adapted missionary on very successfully the year I found Girls Chase! She'd cook dinner.

Now I still seem to like fitness obsessed older women lol but I think a big part of it was I have never watched porn with dicks in my life... When I did watch porn it was solo stuff with her talking dirty to the camera and the older women were much better actresses with much better videos. Go ahead and lie to yourself that Veronica Avluv isn't hot. You will not find a video of a young girl moving and talking like that. So young Francis forged that brain pathway.

Oh right this is a field report.

Who cares... It's not that juicy. We talked for a couple hours. I didn't even use plausible deniability. I just said well you're here... why don't you come up and see my place. Oh and she ordered dinner but ate like 4 bites (she was getting like a high in a talking trance) and said I could have it for lunch so I paid. I had a tiny soup. I paid last time when I went up for the bathroom too and we never talked about it. It's not like we're going to have precedent for a dating life, unless she wants to play gigolo. She doesn't drink anymore but said it made her promiscuous in the past and if we were drinking we would be fucking in my car (I told her this story last time).

LR - First ever night, street to car in less than half an hour

One daytime warm-up approach, then first ever night approach. Ignored three or so times, then first ever night approach lay. * * * Caught her staring at me while she drove by. I saw her park and doubled back through the flower gardens. Coming back around, she was sitting on the grass in the...

www.skilledseducer.com

Then she said "just kidding!!" (she does grandmaster style... same with the stripper name)

So yeah she came up and we sat legs pressed. I can't say why she had to leave but it was very valid. We made out and she has like her own way of kissing like she presses hard and pushes against me. So at the door I pushed her like a good full step backwards into a wall slam (remember she's taller) and kissed on her neck and felt her legs. She broke it first, which is young Francis' fault. But we kissed more in the elevator.

And at the building door I slapped her ass on the way out. Point.

So we'll see how the timing goes with the holidays. Despite whatever fantasy she has, we live kind of far so may not 3x lock in. Should probably pivot back to 20's next.

But yeah... try a few milfs guys... it might help you forge a brain pathway so you can keep it up with your wife one day.

 

[KJ Francis]

subconscious level it's still LMR and failed mating attempt

Kissed a Girl But Now She Won't See You Again? You Messed Up

You kissed her, made out with her, it was magic, but now she’s gone. That was your mistake: you made out with her, but you failed to CLOSE.

www.girlschase.com

her head rationalized the age difference (especially over holidays with family), awkward kissing (her weird lip smacking thing's fault imo), and especially the furniture.

[redacted, or probably LR-dependent lol]

Me: [...] like whether it's just chatting or you play dress up as Cinnamon in a no touching club, it doesn't matter.

Her: Happy new year Francis. We are friends if you’re out this way and you wanna meet for a tea or a bite to eat, just text me.

 

[Derek da man]

Sorry things didn't fall into place for you. She sounded like she'd be a lot of fun as things became sexual.

Oh another interesting thing was how apparent the M3 stages were. Mystery always stresses these are HER steps, not yours. It's about her own emotional pacing.

Where can I find out more about these stages. You also mentioned A1, A2, C1, C2, etc so I'm look to understand these better.

 

[KJ Francis]

Sorry things didn't fall into place for you. She sounded like she'd be a lot of fun as things became sexual.


Where can I find out more about these stages. You also mentioned A1, A2, C1, C2, etc so I'm look to understand these better.

Thanks, yeah there was something fairly serious and personal to her I can't expand on, but it unfortunately cut the time short.

So I think skipping past C3 so fast from C2 to S1 was a mistake. Basically that means going from the date location to alone and starting to make out without settling in first once she's isolated to build comfort, then tension. That's if she had time... I think I should have not kissed her once the time constraint was apparent, and then gone for a third date.

Best way to understand the stages is reading the Venusian Arts Handbook. They're all laid out in chapters (Attraction, Comfort, Seduction). They are "her stages" in that you can't force her to submit through the process and advance as she complies:

A1 - opener (if her group's open to you socially, lock in and continue)
A2 - female to male interest (if she shows interest, continue)
A3 - male to female interest (if she qualifies herself, continue)

If she moves to sit with you, continue

C1 - building trust to bridge time or bounce locations (if she accepts touch, continue)

if she agrees to meet again or bounces to another venue (or to C3) with you, continue

C2 - building connection (if she invests, continue)

if she bounces home with you, continue

C3 - building comfort at home (if she's down, continue)
S1 - kissing and foreplay (if she kisses you, etc., continue)
S2 - LMR (skip via sexual frames in A2-C2; if she submits sexually, continue)

S3 - sex

 

[KJ Francis]

So it may still be on if bounce to C3 happens again (likely to hers, which will be trickier), but we are back in C2 now.

 

[noReason]

Yeah. Maybe you do not want my advice, but if my experience with texting sexy milfs applies here—

Ice it, ping on valentine’s day.

Weird thing about this is you are right, C2 stage, but she’s building similarity in that she can sexually hibernate, she wants to see if you can do the same. Because she’s an older girl, she’s learned to do this. Especially in winter.

If I am right about this, my prediction is you will probably get an invite straight to her house to fuck after the valentine’s day ping. This is assuming that she’s on the same wavelength as this one girl (who yeah, very Veronica Avluv but like 85% not 100%… if this works I am not jealous because I’ve fucked up with a hotter milf than yours before).

 

[KJ Francis]

Ice it, ping on valentine’s day

6 weeks...?

Attraction Has an Expiration Date

A guy meets a girl he likes. He starts talking to her, and there's electricity in the air. Attraction. He can tell she likes him. A lot, even. She tells him all kinds of things about herself, her eyes wide and filled with excitement. It feels as though there's a bubble around them, in which only...

www.girlschase.com

she’s building similarity in that she can sexually hibernate, she wants to see if you can do the same

She is building similarity of celibacy...? I guarantee she is out dating, and I have told her stories of fucking four girls in a week.

Female attraction to you not needing her is in part from the implication of preselection from you meeting your needs elsewhere.

 

[noReason]

Yeah, I stand by my statement. If you want to call it non-neediness that’s fine there’s an element of that too. I’m not saying don’t go fucking other girls. She can wait she wants to see if you can wait too. She wants to know that you can satiate yourself out there because her horniness ebbs and flows. Celibacy for her, aligning with sexually independent francis, means a synchronized timeline. A young eager francis not thinking in terms of a timeframe of years but rather weeks, is not existing on the scale of time a 40s 50s woman exists on, where seconds last years and years last seconds.

I told the chat I was gonna wait to ping my girls till valentines day (3 milfs) and a guy said that’s too long, I pinged the milf i was too-interested in on new years and no response, I waited to ping the less important milf until valentines because valentines gives a lover frame and she invited me over.

Long story short, valentine’s gives a lover frame that you need, the ability to wait your turn brings the remaining C2 connection, you’ve done long term seductions before.

You have to remember that there is very little competition. Very little competition, for a man who can seduce, in the right place, at the right time. The average 40, 50 year old guy is closeted gay, not don gately… please don’t shoot yourself in the foot. Even if she gets a high value provider in that amount of time it will only make her jump on you quicker on valentines.

I keep saying the same thing over and over but I don’t have facial expressions to read off of so I don’t know what will make this click for you.

 

[noReason]

Besides, what else are you going to ping her in the meantime? Happy MLK day? She just called you a friend, Valentines day moves friends to lovers…

 

[KJ Francis]

Besides, what else are you going to ping her in the meantime? Happy MLK day? She just called you a friend, Valentines day moves friends to lovers…

"Friend" is a frame I have set with her from the beginning. In this case she was directly agreeing to my use of the word in the previous message.

It is meant to remove the romance of the "lover" from the equation. I have always been "friends" with older women, some still retained over years, as it completely transcends dating and relationships. It is also simply true, as they have been real connections with conversation and sex, without romantic feelings. Only one fell in love when I didn't clearly set the friendship frame. Otherwise her emotion caps out at "you are so special to me [her]" and it can last long term.

She is not friendzoning or resisting any sexual frames. She extended a date request herself, which is an escalation window. My previous message about her dancing as her stripper persona was to maximize the sexuality within a statement claiming my motivation is conversation that did not have an actual soft close. Sex is "no big deal" and an afterthought.

 

[KJ Francis]

the ability to wait your turn brings the remaining C2 connection

where are you getting this from?

you’ve done long term seductions before

yes I was still touching her pussy every time

my other long term was temporarily halted by a logistics constraint. I escalated at a private keypad entry real estate showing and reached out again once I had my own place.

 

[noReason]

Ok, I was reading “we are friends” like “we are friends,” I didn’t know there was a frame you had set around it. Sorry for the interruption then!

 

[KJ Francis]

reading “we are friends” like “we are friends,”

frame you had set around it

unfortunately there is a bunch redacted back and forth where I repeatedly used "friend". also "whether it's just chatting" and "it doesn't matter" is this too.

the idea is also to remove the idea of sex from the spoken social level, so it's as smooth as possible to progress to meet and isolate. there was more redacted where I said she's getting ahead of herself... it's a chase frame like she's the one with any thoughts about sex. I am the one saying we're just talking, like the slow down opener, can't trust she's not an alien in the sauna, etc.

Sorry for the interruption then!

Not at all... women are often confusing on the surface, hence the need to open source it.