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HeartOfChaos

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I am posting this here rather than in the "General" section as my profile is limited. Since my breakup last summer, I have approached 2000, maybe more, women on the streets of London. I haven't been laid once. I had some dates that I screwed up, that I wrote about back in Oct-Dec time. Since December I had nothing at all. I approached 1000 since then. No dates. A handful of flaky numbers that went nowhere.

In the last couple of weeks, I have approached maybe 300 women. None were interested. I've been out on the streets for like 15 hours per week, come rain or shine. Perhaps it's not surprising , given that in central London it's like a stampede of people coming at you. They simply don't even notice you most of the time until you are in their face. I think that's the main issue here: London is just too busy, too chaotic, too big, women have too many options, no-one gives a fuck.

The closest I came to success is, you've guessed it, with American girls. I wrote about this before, they appear to be much more at ease and comfortable talking to strangers than women from other countries / local women here. I encountered several american girls in last 2 months; 2 of them were clearly up for meeting and fucking, but logistics / circumstances got in the way: they were here literally for 2 days before flying back to USA. I didn't end up meeting either of them for date.

It took me several years and multiple thousands of approaches to find my ex. I don't know how many women I approached in my lifetime since I started doing this in 2009, but the number of approaches are astronomical. And for what? For measly 40-50 lays. I seriously believe that I am probably the most rejected man in history of pua forums.

Before anyone writes some shit here about looks, fashion, or vibe, I reiterate some facts about myself:

1) I am white
2) I am 6 foot 3
3) Apparently I look like Ryan Gosling
4) I am very fit (I always lifted weights and did ashtanga yoga, but I am not jacked, I look like a tall slim fit guy in clothes as I have a naturally thin body frame)
5) My fashion and style is on point, I regularly get compliments on how great I look from random men and women
6) I am well read, I have a top tier education: I have a PhD in a hardcore STEM field. Most people are very impressed to hear my academic background, qualifications, work experience.
7) People I meet generally usually comment how cool, approachable and enthusiastic / friendly / interesting I am


Some downsides however:

1) I am white but not originally British. I am associated with other 2 countries that I won't name here. I have a thick strange foreign accent and diction. This means some women I approach are immediately thrown off by the way I sound when I speak - if this affects my results, I don't know.

Edit: thinking about it, it does seem to me that at least some women are thrown off initially by my weird accent and this leads to an air of "scepticism" about me, although this is usually overridden by my fashion, looks and style...

2) People have guessed all sorts of things about my ethnicity / nationality: France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Israel, Poland, Russia, Kazakhstan, the list goes on. If this helps or hinders - I don't know.
2) My hairline is receding and I have some greying hair. I try to disguise this as much as possible though, so it's not very visible at all.
3) I am slim (as per above, I lift and I am very fit, but naturally I have a thin frame). For my height, I don't look "big".
4) I am not the quickest thinker. I am pretty eloquent, but I am not a natural flirt or the wittiest conversationalist.
5) I am more of an introvert. I dislike crowds, I like being out in nature. I only go to crowded areas to try to pick up women, otherwise I wouldn't be there. Places like busy shopping streets are not my idea of fun, but I go there because again, I need to meet women somehow...
6) I have shitty logistics. I live in London, but on the outskirts: it's around 1 hour commute from central areas.
7) I don't have instagram or use social media in general

How I approach: I tend to vary, but most of my approaches are very direct, with the intention to progress the interaction towards a hook up fast, rather than drawn out multiple dates. That's the only style that actually got me a measly few lays in the last 8 or so years - same day instadate pulls to a hotel / her place or meetings at a hotel / hers / mine on a first "date" if instadate was not possible. Anything more drawn out - women either flake or something else comes up and we never end up meeting again.

My approaches are usually very shotgun style. I hate "gaming". It doesn't work for me. I like being upfront and getting to the heart of the matter. What I say upon approach: usually, it's a variation of a direct basic simple complement (like "Hi, you look great") and then either an immediate question or offer to get together intimately, for example:

1) "Let's get together"
2) "Let's get together for a night of pleasure"
3) "Would you like to have a drink at my place?"
4) "Are you seeing anyone / are you single?"

These are the openers I've been flogging thousands upon thousands of times over the years. 99.9% of women either say "I can't", "I have a boyfriend", or "I am not interested..." The other 0.01% I get laid. Many women who say they have a boyfriend - I am inclined to believe them, many of them even get their phone out and show a picture of him...

You might ask, why don't I try to have a longer conversation with them before proposing a date? My answer: yes, sometimes I do. Sometimes my openers are totally spontaneous, original, situational, you name it...It depends on the situation, and if I spot something unique about her immediately so that I don't need to fall back on the generic "you look great" phrase. The problem is

1) 90% of women dress like clones of each other. Especially young women. Same shitty baggy jeans and nondescript shirt or jacket. Like mass produced copies of each other. There is nothing unique to me about the way they dress or carry themselves. So the only criteria for me is that they look fuckable.
2) After trialling it thousands of times, these longer more interesting conversations still end up 99% of the time with them saying how sweet and nice of me it was to approach them, but alas they have a boyfriend. So I'd rather hear them say this 20 seconds after my approach rather than 5 minutes after my approach. Women seem to make up their mind about me in seconds, no matter what the subject of the conversation is...

I can't do this anymore. I am incredibly starved for sex and intimacy. I need to find a find a normal, young, slim, attractive white girl to fuck regularly. (and no, I am not into asians, middle easterners or black women). I need a normal girlfriend. The prospect of yet another lonely summer is not what I want to face. I've been lonely most of my life. Surely it can't be that hard to find a normal young ish attractive white girl who I have good chemistry with, in a city of 8 million people?

Tldr: tall decent looking white guy, been doing multiple thousands of approaches, can't get anything from them to save his life. Please help me GET LAID ASAP, and secondly, find a normal gf. Life passes me by. I am sick of being alone and not being able to find a suitable life partner.


To add some notes:

1) I seem to do much better with daygame, and in general, when I am back in my original country of birth.
2) I do much better with women in UK in smaller cities like Brighton and Bristol
3) Most women who seem to respond well to me come from either cultures where people are direct and more blunt (eastern europe), or warmer cultures (like Italy) or more open talkative cultures (USA). Not surprising that majority of women I fucked came from those places.
2) When I was in my country of birth last time in 2018, I matched with virtually every single woman on Tinder I swiped on. And this is the country where women are in general much better looking than a typical woman in UK. When back in London, my Tinder matches dropped hugely.
3) When testing Tinder in other UK cities back in the day, same pattern: I got matches with better looking, younger women than London

So to sum this up: I am like a male 9 in my country of origin, drop down to 7 in an average UK city, and the drop down to like a 4 (invisible to women) in London....
 
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Ah, it's the wall-head-basher again.

I think that's the main issue here: London is just too busy, too chaotic, too big, women have too many options, no-one gives a fuck.
No, that's not the issue.

My approaches are usually very shotgun style. I hate "gaming". It doesn't work for me. I like being upfront and getting to the heart of the matter. What I say upon approach: usually, it's a variation of a direct basic simple complement (like "Hi, you look great") and then either an immediate question or offer to get together intimately, for example:

1) "Let's get together"
2) "Let's get together for a night of pleasure"
3) "Would you like to have a drink at my place?"
4) "Are you seeing anyone / are you single?"
This is the issue. You are trying to daygame without the game.

This is the equivalent of walking up to strangers on the street and asking them to give you a job.

I can't do this anymore. I am incredibly starved for sex and intimacy.
Genuinely curious. In all the years and thousands of approaches, has it never once crossed your mind that perhaps you are doing this completely the wrong way?

Obviously no advice here will actually be taken by you, as there has already been threads dedicated to helping you, and all the advice has been given to you that you have all but ignored.

Guess you're just gonna keep bashing your head against the wall until the universe throws you a woman who defies nature?
 

HeartOfChaos

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Ah, it's the wall-head-basher again.


No, that's not the issue.


This is the issue. You are trying to daygame without the game.

This is the equivalent of walking up to strangers on the street and asking them to give you a job.


Genuinely curious. In all the years and thousands of approaches, has it never once crossed your mind that perhaps you are doing this completely the wrong way?

Obviously no advice here will actually be taken by you, as there has already been threads dedicated to helping you, and all the advice has been given to you that you have all but ignored.

Guess you're just gonna keep bashing your head against the wall until the universe throws you a woman who defies nature?

Please read what I wrote above:

"My answer: yes, sometimes I do. Sometimes my openers are totally spontaneous, original, situational, you name it...It depends on the situation, and if I spot something unique about her immediately so that I don't need to fall back on the generic "you look great" phrase. The problem is

1) 90% of women dress like clones of each other. Especially young women. Same shitty baggy jeans and nondescript shirt or jacket. Like mass produced copies of each other. There is nothing unique to me about the way they dress or carry themselves. So the only criteria for me is that they look fuckable.
2) After trialling it thousands of times, these longer more interesting conversations still end up 99% of the time with them saying how sweet and nice of me it was to approach them, but alas they have a boyfriend. So I'd rather hear them say this 20 seconds after my approach rather than 5 minutes after my approach. Women seem to make up their mind about me in seconds, no matter what the subject of the conversation is..."

I did ALL sorts of "game" approaches over the years. ALL sorts. From indirect what's your opinion openers to "lets get together for a night of orgasms" openers. I tried so, so many approaches. It doesn't seem to make a difference, really.

And also, according to you, I should get the same results everywhere. But I get different. I get better results outside of London, as I wrote. It's location dependent and depends on mentality / character of individual women, nothing to with initial "game".
 
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Whatever you are doing obviously doesn't work but you keep doing it and blame it on factors that have nothing to do with a lack of success such as the accent none sense...
 

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I hate "gaming". It doesn't work for me.
So, you want advice on PU but you hate gaming.

I think you are not seeing the obvious contradiction, or misunderstanding what game is.

usually, it's a variation of a direct basic simple complement (like "Hi, you look great") and then either an immediate question or offer to get together intimately, for example:

1) "Let's get together"
This ofc won't get you laid and it didn't, this is not how people work.

Also, the opener is just a part of a bigger process, it alone won't get you far... You are def hyperfocusing on it.

Hats off for slaying approach anxiety, not an easy task, and also props on the tenacity. This Chase article may serve you:
In my estimation you are dealing with at least with two fundamental problems:
  • You are misunderstanding what game is
    • You are dealing with humans → humans have prerequisites for bonding with you → you use (actual) game/PUA
  • You are dealing with understandable frustration and I suspect some level of (maybe temporal) misogyny
    • This is has a very high social and psychological cost, so I think it needs to be addressed (IIRC GirlsChase has articles by Hector on this)


My advice for you is to pay attention to your own ego, and as the classic Zen parable says: empty your cup. Only a beginner mind will take you out of this place IMO.



As a final note, PUA/seduction can work in 'paradoxical' or counter-intuitive ways... e.g.:
  • The more you need it the less you have it
  • To have one quality LTR (which you want), date lots of women first
  • Just talking is not enough to bond
  • etc.
Maybe good to keep in mind.
 
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My approaches are usually very shotgun style. I hate "gaming". It doesn't work for me. I like being upfront and getting to the heart of the matter. What I say upon approach: usually, it's a variation of a direct basic simple complement (like "Hi, you look great") and then either an immediate question or offer to get together intimately, for example:

1) "Let's get together"
2) "Let's get together for a night of pleasure"
3) "Would you like to have a drink at my place?"
4) "Are you seeing anyone / are you single?"
That's not approaching.

At least not the kind of approach that can turn into something sexual.

Not even sure you can make friends that way.

That's zero approaches, not 2000.

If you want to play the cold approach game, then you have to, well, play it!

You're certainly NOT playing it!

You've decided to play a game, rewrote the rules of the game and then you're complaining about your lack of results.

It's like you step on football pitch, refuse to touch the ball and then complain that, of the 2000 mental penalties you attempted, you scored none.

Or it's like you refuse to fill out the details of job applications, refuse to attach your resume, and insist on only clicking "Submit Application " and then complain that your 2000 job applications were all rejected.
 

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How I approach: I tend to vary, but most of my approaches are very direct, with the intention to progress the interaction towards a hook up fast, rather than drawn out multiple dates. That's the only style that actually got me a measly few lays in the last 8 or so years - same day instadate pulls to a hotel / her place or meetings at a hotel / hers / mine on a first "date" if instadate was not possible. Anything more drawn out - women either flake or something else comes up and we never end up meeting again.

My approaches are usually very shotgun style. I hate "gaming". It doesn't work for me. I like being upfront and getting to the heart of the matter. What I say upon approach: usually, it's a variation of a direct basic simple complement (like "Hi, you look great") and then either an immediate question or offer to get together intimately, for example:

1) "Let's get together"
2) "Let's get together for a night of pleasure"
3) "Would you like to have a drink at my place?"
4) "Are you seeing anyone / are you single?"

These are the openers I've been flogging thousands upon thousands of times over the years. 99.9% of women either say "I can't", "I have a boyfriend", or "I am not interested..." The other 0.01% I get laid. Many women who say they have a boyfriend - I am inclined to believe them, many of them even get their phone out and show a picture of him...

This is neo-direct.


Well, technically it is neo-direct on steroids.

Not asking for the number; going straight to the "let's bang."

There was an old Fast Seduction discussion circa 2003 or thereabouts theorizing that if you opened 100 girls with "Nice shoes; wanna fuck?" you'd get 99 blow-outs but the 100th would fuck you. This is basically what you are doing, but in your case it appears to be closer to 1/2000+. Of course, that "99 blow you out, 1 fucks you" hypothetical stat assumes that you have game.

You are approachable/friendly/interesting, but do not have game.

Approachable/friendly/interesting will only get you liked, not laid.

You might ask, why don't I try to have a longer conversation with them before proposing a date? My answer: yes, sometimes I do. Sometimes my openers are totally spontaneous, original, situational, you name it...It depends on the situation, and if I spot something unique about her immediately so that I don't need to fall back on the generic "you look great" phrase. The problem is

1) 90% of women dress like clones of each other. Especially young women. Same shitty baggy jeans and nondescript shirt or jacket. Like mass produced copies of each other. There is nothing unique to me about the way they dress or carry themselves. So the only criteria for me is that they look fuckable.
2) After trialling it thousands of times, these longer more interesting conversations still end up 99% of the time with them saying how sweet and nice of me it was to approach them, but alas they have a boyfriend. So I'd rather hear them say this 20 seconds after my approach rather than 5 minutes after my approach. Women seem to make up their mind about me in seconds, no matter what the subject of the conversation is...

Yeah, so, basically, you are a smart guy tech wise, and have the mental hardware for complex STEM fields, which is awesome.

But your hardware is bugged when it comes to nuanced social encounters (especially dating/mating).

I forget if you said you were autistic or not, but whether you technically are or not it's identical to what you see with autistic men, so it's safe proceeding as if you are.

Basically: the going assumption should be that you do not have the capacity to learn to organically flirt with/game women.

I can't do this anymore. I am incredibly starved for sex and intimacy. I need to find a find a normal, young, slim, attractive white girl to fuck regularly. (and no, I am not into asians, middle easterners or black women). I need a normal girlfriend. The prospect of yet another lonely summer is not what I want to face. I've been lonely most of my life. Surely it can't be that hard to find a normal young ish attractive white girl who I have good chemistry with, in a city of 8 million people?

Make a list: title it "Why a normal, young-ish, attractive white girl would want to fuck me regularly."

Then list out the reasons why that would be.

For instance, these would not be on the list:

  • "I am friendly"
  • "I am interesting"

These might be on the list:

  • "I'm tall and good-looking"
  • "I fuck like a rockstar"

Etc.

Then make a second list and title it "Other reasons that I do not yet have but could develop."

Then list out reasons she'd want to fuck you, that you currently don't have going for you, but could get going for you.

The things on the two lists are the things you should focus on conveying as much as possible and amplifying as much as possible with every woman you talk to, while downplaying/ignoring anything not on these lists.

3) Most women who seem to respond well to me come from either cultures where people are direct and more blunt (eastern europe), or warmer cultures (like Italy) or more open talkative cultures (USA). Not surprising that majority of women I fucked came from those places.

Your approach is exceptionally, unusually forward.

It is not surprising women who are comfortable with bluntness are going to be your target audience.

Talkativity is probably helpful for you due to the social shortcomings; beginners in general fare better with chatty girls because the girl is better at leading in the conversation and filling in gaps. Quiet girls require you to do most/all the talking/leading, and if you are not good at that portion that means a lot more opportunity to screw up and put her off.

Warmth is helpful because it's an offset to your (I presume) coolness/rigidity. If you are like every other autistic or autistic-like guy I have known, there is a certain woodenness to you that makes things tougher with cooler women, who are already kind of stiff themselves, but that warm and easygoing women kinda like as a contrast to themselves.

Talkative & warm girls are also likely going to be more forgiving of an overly blunt proposition like the kind you make, and more likely to see past the boorishness and redirect the flirtation a little bit.

2) When I was in my country of birth last time in 2018, I matched with virtually every single woman on Tinder I swiped on. And this is the country where women are in general much better looking than a typical woman in UK. When back in London, my Tinder matches dropped hugely.

Is there a reason you do not just go there, find a "life partner", then bring her to London or wherever you need to be?

Too constrained by work and unable to leave?


DUDE, IF I WAS YOU...

Good-looking, smart, friendly, but autistic (or autistic-ish) with the "unable to flirt to save my life" "unable to think on my feet" handicap, I would not be doing "spam approach proposition girls on crowded streets" game ever... it would be like the LAST kind of game I would do:

  • Women on crowded shopping streets are in a hurry
  • Women on crowded shopping streets are DEFENSIVE (surrounded by fast-moving people in hurries; too many strangers to accurately assess environmental dangers = HIGH ALERT constantly)
  • Women on crowded shopping streets basically have their shields up
  • Thanks to all these factors, they are about as far away from 'propositionable' as you can possibly get

Literally anywhere else is likely to work better for 'straight up proposition her' game than a shopping street:

  • Tourist areas where girls are lazily meandering about by themselves or with a friend
  • Side streets off the main drag where girls amble lackadaisically about
  • Chill lounges / parties / bars / nightclubs
  • Nighttime street game

Proposition game is already super low odds, and you are running it in the lowest odds venue there is.

Probably the only place lower odds than a busy street during daytime would be... actually I cannot think of anywhere lower odds than a busy street during daytime. You are running low odds game in the lowest possible venue for it.

Anyway, if I was you, I would do one of these:

  1. Keep doing proposition game, but in better venues for it. It's still super low odds, but if you're going to do it, at least do it in nightlife venues, on the street at night, or on quiet side streets / tourist areas. Yes, VOLUME is lower, but OPENNESS is higher, and more than makes up for the lack of volume. I'd only do this if I was absurdly lazy and absurdly stubborn though.

  2. Start building a routine stack. This requires getting material from other guys (since you can't come up with it on your own and presumably don't have much of a radar for what's good material vs. what isn't), and testing for COMPLIANCE as you experiment with different routines (that way you can tell which move the needle versus which do not, and discard those that don't while you keep + build on those that do). This is a slower path, but will build you an approach that converts. I knew an autistic guy running what basically amounted to a custom-built routine stack, doing day game; he got laid once every 250 or so approaches and had an acceptable-ish girlfriend candidate every 500-750 approaches.

  3. Build a pipeline. Also called a 'girl funnel', or the term I am using for these now, 'social gravity well'. This is some kind of social event that you run, where you are the host, and it pulls in new hot girls regularly, some of whom you can bang, because you are the highest value guy there (the host). That'd require you to shed some of your introvert nature though and invest in building an ongoing social circle that was attractive to the kind of women you like.

  4. Go somewhere else. I don't know why people stay in cities they're miserable in... maybe I am too peripatetic to understand this... but just personally if I find myself in some location, and I cannot have everything I want there, it occurs to me that the #1 option is MOVE. You yourself said your prospects are far better in your home city, or in other English cities, but yet you stay in London for some reason. What is the reason? A job? If I was you, this is the first thing I'd be trying to solve: "How can I keep the same or a better job, or change jobs, or do anything else, but live in a city where I can actually have what I want, instead of a city that IMO sucks ass?"

  5. Do one of these.

Cheers man.

Chase
 

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Wow. This phenomenon is really location and race independent.

Seen some similar posts by other users about different countries with different culture.

Don't go neo-direct. Learn how to game. Don't hate.

Side note: @alexhunter8 read this thread.
 

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1) 90% of women dress like clones of each other. Especially young women. Same shitty baggy jeans and nondescript shirt or jacket. Like mass produced copies of each other. There is nothing unique to me about the way they dress or carry themselves. So the only criteria for me is that they look fuckable.
Yeah I noticed that's very common for Gen Z women. It's rare now to see other women in skirts and dresses in the US too. A lot of them are also in workout clothes (even when they're not working out), sweatpants or in their pajamas because they really don't care how they're dressed when going out. I find this less common in Asian culture (no biggie you're not into them though I think your preferences eliminate many amazing women)

2 of them were clearly up for meeting and fucking, but logistics / circumstances got in the way: they were here literally for 2 days before flying back to USA. I didn't end up meeting either of them for date.
Or maybe neither of you wanted to fuck badly enough. Where there's a will, there's a way.

2) After trialling it thousands of times, these longer more interesting conversations still end up 99% of the time with them saying how sweet and nice of me it was to approach them, but alas they have a boyfriend.
And sometimes they lie about having a boyfriend too - auto-rejection for self preservation. I have a friend who wears wedding rings when she travels despite the fact that she's very single. But I know many men don't even notice rings, and it doesn't always stop them from trying.
 

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Yeah I noticed that's very common for Gen Z women. It's rare now to see other women in skirts and dresses in the US too. A lot of them are also in workout clothes (even when they're not working out), sweatpants or in their pajamas because they really don't care how they're dressed when going out. I find this less common in Asian culture (no biggie you're not into them though I think your preferences eliminate many amazing women)
Wrong, Gen z women are pretty much naked:

- no bras
- tight shorts / tight short leggings
-butt cheeks out
- super mini skirt
- super hot dressess....

women don't even wearing that much baggy more bootcuts...

of course if you are talking about arkansas, or alaska different story...

Gen z dress the most naked from any gen i ever seen...total none sense
 

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Wrong, Gen z women are pretty much naked:

- no bras
- tight shorts / tight short leggings
-butt cheeks out
- super mini skirt
- super hot dressess....

women don't even wearing that much baggy more bootcuts...

of course if you are talking about arkansas, or alaska different story...

Gen z dress the most naked from any gen i ever seen...total none sense
correct. every gen z in london right now is in the tiniest skirts… even to study in the library..
 

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Where I live (southern Europe coastal city), I'm seeing both: Girl in pyjamas and slippers, as well as girls that are almost naked with transparent tops and pants, and no bra. I prefer the latter!
 
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correct. every gen z in london right now is in the tiniest skirts… even to study in the library..
Same thing in China/Asia. They'll mostly cover the breasts, but show their entire legs with the shortest miniskirts - almost to the butt, which was rare to see even almost 10 years ago.

Must be a more or less global phenomenon. I guess this generation wants to feel sexy cos they missed out the club hookup experience due to Covid?

Yet I don't feel like Gen Z is more promiscuous than previous generations (if anything less so), so my armchair theory is that it's a outlet for their underexpressed sexual energy.
 

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If you try the outskirts of London, where you live, you would probably get the same results you get in smaller UK cities. (Admittedly, UK is the least friendly country I have been in).
 

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Same here, suuuper skimpy... It's awesome. Also jarring when you see it in a grocery store or something, almost clutched my pearls...

I think asianbabe meant more like formality level... Girls do not generally dress in nice skirts and sundresses and such like little ladies. RIP the "blouse".

When covered up like colder weather it's very uniform (jeans, faux leather jacket) or sportswear only... Cotton crew pullover, sweatpants or tights, hoodies, puffer jackets. Some wool overcoats but casual with sneakers, hoodies, and baseball caps even.

Any girl who dates me though ends up pulling out her nicer skirts and dresses from the back of the closet.

Not to derail... Something to look forward to and work towards for OP.
 

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Wrong, Gen z women are pretty much naked:

- no bras
- tight shorts / tight short leggings
-butt cheeks out
- super mini skirt
- super hot dressess....

women don't even wearing that much baggy more bootcuts...

of course if you are talking about arkansas, or alaska different story...

Gen z dress the most naked from any gen i ever seen...total none sense
Depends on the area yes, obviously in larger metro areas (where there's more of a clubbing or raving scene) - LA/NYC/Miami/Vegas/London or near universities known for partying, especially if there's a warmer weather & night time that's the case. But in more suburban areas or smaller cities and towns, I feel like the latter is more common (crop fitted tops and baggy jeans, workout clothes or loungewear).

I've spent the most time in these areas - Pacific Northwest, NorCal/SoCal, Bay Area, New England, and traveled to most big metro cities (Seattle, Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, Boston, Miami, LA/SD, Vegas) and driven from coast to coast. I noticed the trend is usually 1 fitted piece of clothing + 1 baggy/loose piece of clothing to balance visual weight/silhouette/fashion.

Not to derail the thread but I LOVE wearing a cute flowy blouse/mini skirt/dress/boots myself but I wear opaque or sheer tights + safety shorts underneath because I don't need my cheeks hanging out (gotta leave something to the imagination). Other times, high waisted bootcut or flared pants to elongate petite figure and cropped top (good for balancing a long torso). If I show a little cleavage, then I wear a long skirt or cover my legs. Short skirt? Then I cover my chest. For me, it's about balance - revealing top/modest bottom or revealing bottom/modest top.
 
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Depends on the area yes, obviously in larger metro areas (where there's more of a clubbing or raving scene) - LA/NYC/Miami/Vegas/London or near universities known for partying, especially if there's a warmer weather & night time that's the case. But in more suburban areas or smaller cities and towns, I feel like the latter is more common (crop fitted tops and baggy jeans, workout clothes or loungewear).

I've spent the most time in these areas - Pacific Northwest, NorCal/SoCal, Bay Area, New England, and traveled to most big metro cities (Seattle, Chicago, Atlanta, NYC, Boston, Miami, LA/SD, Vegas) and driven from coast to coast. I noticed the trend is usually 1 fitted piece of clothing + 1 baggy/loose piece of clothing to balance visual weight/silhouette/fashion.

Not to derail the thread but I LOVE wearing a cute flowy blouse/mini skirt/dress/boots myself but I wear opaque or sheer tights + safety shorts underneath because I don't need my cheeks hanging out (gotta leave something to the imagination). Other times, high waisted bootcut or flared pants to elongate petite figure and cropped top (good for balancing a long torso). If I show a little cleavage, then I wear a long skirt or cover my legs. Short skirt? Then I cover my chest. For me, it's about balance - revealing top/modest bottom or revealing bottom/modest top.
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1) "Let's get together"
2) "Let's get together for a night of pleasure"
3) "Would you like to have a drink at my place?"
4) "Are you seeing anyone / are you single?"

These are the openers I've been flogging thousands upon thousands of times over the years. 99.9% of women either say "I can't", "I have a boyfriend", or "I am not interested..." The other 0.01% I get laid.


Yeah. This here is the key. You sound all fine, but socially uncalibrated. You are not building rapport. Imagine the girl in front of you is the love of your life. What would you like to know of her first

1 => too quick
2 => too sleezy
3 => too quick and hint of sleezy
4 => irrelevant

I think you should read a chickflick. Those books seduce women into sex.
The first 50% up to 75% is just scene setting, roleplay, foreplay, tensionbuilding, contextual stuff
Then there is 5% sex, 10% hurdle and 10% closing
 
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