I approached over 2000 women in 9 months. I haven't got laid once.

[HeartOfChaos]

Thanks for everyone’s replies. I’ll write in detail to some posters later.

Been approaching for 5 hours straight today. Yet another shitty day with nothing to show for my time and energy. Approached around 30 women.

Got some a number from a m average looking French tourist, messaged her and asked if she’s up for a night of drinks and rolling around in the bedroom. She declined. Well screw it, not as if I’m gonna see her again.

All others rejections as usual (and no, I didn’t do any sleazy conversations or openers, but they all simply said they aren’t interested or have a boyfriend as they always say; one gave me a number which turned out to be fake).

So yeah, just endless rejections as usual, as has been the case day in day out for the best part of 17 years.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

Or maybe neither of you wanted to fuck badly enough. Where there's a will, there's a way.

For the 2nd one, yes, I actually flaked on her because I had to attend a friend's birthday party all night, and she was leaving the next day. She was actually up for coming to my place and all. She was from Montana, and she said she doesn't like to use Instagram / social media.. Music to my ears. She really was like a breath of fresh air. I wish more women were like her. These are the sort of women I actually really want to meet....

With 1st one, not sure, but there was very clear immediate interest (and again, she had to leave the next day).

 

[HeartOfChaos]

This ofc won't get you laid and it didn't, this is not how people work.

Also, the opener is just a part of a bigger process, it alone won't get you far... You are def hyperfocusing on it.

Sure. My opener is just a filtering mechanism, as I said, I'd rather find out in 20 seconds than 3 minutes. Most women don't stop and talk for 3 mins here anyway, where I approach them in busy train stations, or busy shopping streets where most people are walking somewhere fast with an objective.

But I point out it did get me laid, several times.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

correct. every gen z in london right now is in the tiniest skirts… even to study in the library..

What are you on about? Dude, most of them today: back to fucking baggy jeans and loose fitting tops, business as usual there. Very little individuality on show...

If you try the outskirts of London, where you live, you would probably get the same results you get in smaller UK cities. (Admittedly, UK is the least friendly country I have been in).

Nah, London is still London on the outskirts. And in my outskirts the demographic simply isn't there.

In general, the demographic in London isn't what I want...It's full of middle easterners, indians and asians nowdays... thee women are not my cup of tea. The pickings are slim in terms of what I consider good looking, classy or sexy girls.

The smaller UK cities I had a lot of success in were about half a mill to a mill population in metropolitan area, had a good mix of locals and EU internationals for work or study -this is pre brexit days I am talking about, mostly.

Same thing in China/Asia.

Dude, if you are in China / Asia and trying to tell me that as a white guy, there is no difference in difficulty level between picking up a white woman vs picking up an asian woman, I don't know what to tell you, expect that you are delusional and your "opinion" is irrelevant, I am sorry to say. Asians are much easier. Field tested (guess why? Because before, years ago, I had to resort to fucking some Chinese girls as a last option even though I am not attracted to them). Guess why so many London guys focus on asians or go abroad? It's not because they are drowning in local pussy, you know...Perhaps thats why you are there too?

That's not approaching.

At least not the kind of approach that can turn into something sexual.

Not even sure you can make friends that way.

That's zero approaches, not 2000.

Dude, as I wrote, I do all sorts of approaches. None of them lead anywhere,

 

[AsianBabe69]

imma keel over laughing if this turns out to be indian race troll..

I'd be happy to verify somehow if people really don't believe me... @Chase can feel free to audit me too if he wants. I don't have much to lose here.

When I used to play CS:GO I would mute myself in voice chats because boys would just harass me once they found out I was a girl... so eventually I just let them think that I was a dude and played along with it to keep the peace. Same for when I used to play league of legends. And same online at work sometimes, some dudes just assume I'm a dude because I'm in engineering (9% of my specific field are women) But there's no good reason for me to hide that here.

Would you men have rather me snuck into this forum and pretend to be a guy instead?

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• Women on crowded shopping streets are in a hurry
• Women on crowded shopping streets are DEFENSIVE (surrounded by fast-moving people in hurries; too many strangers to accurately assess environmental dangers = HIGH ALERT constantly)
• Women on crowded shopping streets basically have their shields up
• Thanks to all these factors, they are about as far away from 'propositionable' as you can possibly get

^^^ Yes this - I turn down most guys who try to approach me especially if outside the store - I'm usually on a mission (buying a specific eyeliner at Ulta/Sephora or looking for certain clothing). Now if I'm meandering cluelessly inside a book store, I might want to socialize - in that case, a guy could ask me for my opinion or something situationally relevant and go from there.

For me, indirect approach -> ambiguous intent -> makes me more intrigued than a guy who says "hey you look really pleasant/gorgeous" in a sensual way right off the bat. But then again I am not OP's target, a white European woman lol...but I am a woman.

 

[gameboy]

Thanks for everyone’s replies. I’ll write in detail to some posters later.

Been approaching for 5 hours straight today. Yet another shitty day with nothing to show for my time and energy. Approached around 30 women.

Got some a number from a m average looking French tourist, messaged her and asked if she’s up for a night of drinks and rolling around in the bedroom. She declined. Well screw it, not as if I’m gonna see her again.

All others rejections as usual (and no, I didn’t do any sleazy conversations or openers, but they all simply said they aren’t interested or have a boyfriend as they always say; one gave me a number which turned out to be fake).

So yeah, just endless rejections as usual, as has been the case day in day out for the best part of 17 years.

Please tell us you went out BEFORE reading all the replies here...

 

[AsianBabe69]

I actually flaked on her because I had to attend a friend's birthday party all night, and she was leaving the next day. She was actually up for coming to my place and all.

You couldn't leave the party a little earlier to meet up with her? Sorry, it just sounds like you made an excuse. She gave you the opportunity.

She really was like a breath of fresh air. I wish more women were like her. These are the sort of women I actually really want to meet

...But you flaked on her. A woman you supposedly really wanted to meet, but didn't want to sleep with badly enough I guess.

 

[Absolutely Human]

Hey man reading your reply

Most women don't stop and talk for 3 mins here anyway, where I approach them in busy train stations, or busy shopping streets where most people are walking somewhere fast with an objective.

But I point out it did get me laid, several times.

Firstly I wonder what's your delivery, I wonder if the frustration you show here in the forum comes through, what's your body language or fundamentals in general, etc. This massive spam approach strategy screams bad quality openers. Maybe I'm wrong, but it would not be surprising at all.

Gaming, starts from the opener (or even from the pre-opener), you literally posted:

direct basic simple complement (like "Hi, you look great") and then either an immediate question or offer to get together intimately, for example:

1) "Let's get together"

This is not game (which ofc you don't do it bc you hate it) by any stretch of the imagination, this is a shortcut to getting rejected. It's kamikaze method.

But let's say you are initiating contact perfectly and getting no results (and sorry for sounding cliché): "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".... You mention your STEM field so I assume you like thinking, don't you see a problem with repeating this modus operandi ad nauseam with almost no or minimal results?

filtering mechanism

Ok, what are you filtering? Women casually not in a rush in rushing areas, that accept your random out-of-nowhere insta-date? And BTW, the ones who survive your selection process might not be the ideal LTR material (which is what you are looking for), you can imagine.

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I stand by what I said, I think you have lots of ego to work on (as humans do) and need to start from scratch, you need to empty your cup. You seem defensive and not open at all to advice despite of asking for it while coming out as entitled.

Most of your replies if not all have no conceding points, even when they come from the experts here... Meaning, if you can't take advice from them, this place hasn't much for you I would guess. Maybe you are still reading and considering? I hope that's the case.

Which it is all a shame, bc from what you said in your OP -IIRC- you seem quite an interesting person and maybe even good looking on top of that. That's a lot of potential to throw in to the trash.

I think, from what I read in this thread, your core issue is an emotional one, which is understandable from what you've been experiencing, that if not addressed no amount of useful information will do any good.

 

[topcat]

Would you men have rather me snuck into this forum and pretend to be a guy instead?

probably tbh. the simping going on as a result is rather disappointing..

 

[topcat]

What are you on about? Dude, most of them today: back to fucking baggy jeans and loose fitting tops, business as usual there. Very little individuality on show...


Nah, London is still London on the outskirts. And in my outskirts the demographic simply isn't there.

In general, the demographic in London isn't what I want...It's full of middle easterners, indians and asians nowdays... thee women are not my cup of tea. The pickings are slim in terms of what I consider good looking, classy or sexy girls.

The smaller UK cities I had a lot of success in were about half a mill to a mill population in metropolitan area, had a good mix of locals and EU internationals for work or study -this is pre brexit days I am talking about, mostly.



Dude, if you are in China / Asia and trying to tell me that as a white guy, there is no difference in difficulty level between picking up a white woman vs picking up an asian woman, I don't know what to tell you, expect that you are delusional and your "opinion" is irrelevant, I am sorry to say. Asians are much easier. Field tested (guess why? Because before, years ago, I had to resort to fucking some Chinese girls as a last option even though I am not attracted to them). Guess why so many London guys focus on asians or go abroad? It's not because they are drowning in local pussy, you know...Perhaps thats why you are there too?



Dude, as I wrote, I do all sorts of approaches. None of them lead anywhere,

Why are you here dude?

Cold approach is working really well in London atm based on mine and some other seducer’s recent results.

Lots of girls overjoyed to be approached. Many girls thanking me for approaching them as well. Seems nobody is approaching anymore..

Short, black. Only approaching white girls.

My first 27 approaches resulted in a lay.

Fix up. Take the advice on board. Or get out of here. Your learned helplessness is dragging the place down.

 

[AsianBabe69]

My brother is a short Asian man who lived in London for 5 years. He met his wife - a gorgeous & successful Brazilian/Swedish/Polish woman who speaks 5 languages.. If he can do it, surely you can do it too. He has mostly dated white women.

 

[Francis]

My opener is just a filtering mechanism, as I said, I'd rather find out in 20 seconds than 3 minutes

sexual proposition in 20 seconds is NOT going to work man.

I guarantee you the girl who just left in a Betsey Johnson dress and chain would NOT have responded the same to me touching her and saying she is looking for a live nude model if I hadn't spent at least the first 60 seconds talking about painting techniques.

she said "you are the first guy I've never wanted to lie to. it's weird". second back massage of the day. your strategy is leaking opportunity cost.

 

[Atlas IV]

sexual proposition in 20 seconds is NOT going to work man.

I guarantee you the girl who just left in a Betsey Johnson dress and chain would NOT have responded the same to me touching her and saying she is looking for a live nude model if I hadn't spent at least the first 60 seconds talking about painting techniques.

she said "you are the first guy I've never wanted to lie to. it's weird". second back massage of the day. your strategy is leaking opportunity cost.

I feel like Francis is actually slaying.

Why did you not get nominated for SSOTM yet? You have my next vote.

 

[Skills]

Do you guys carry a clicker counting hand device????? For the life of me i don't understand how you guys count approaches... I am not trolling trully curious how people count approaches...

I guess my level of autism never got to that point...

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Do you guys carry a clicker counting hand device????? For the life of me i don't understand how you guys count approaches... I am not trolling trully curious how people count approaches...

I guess my level of autism never got to that point...

It's easier to count approaches when you don't talk much in any of them. That's what op is doing.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

Lots of girls overjoyed to be approached. Many girls thanking me for approaching them as well. Seems nobody is approaching anymore..

I have girls say this to me all the time how happy they are I approached them, that nobody does this nowdays, how flattered the are, all usual stuff. This means nothing. They all eject.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

I have girls say this to me all the time how happy they are I approached them, that nobody does this nowdays, how flattered the are, all usual stuff. This means nothing. They all eject.

Self awareness is the key here.

Who is the one who just wants to filter out women in matter of seconds?

IME, when i would go to women while also having this vibe that I will eject just after the open... Women didn't stop that much compared to when I gained momentum and went there to also socialize and not just approach. Even in busy places.

You are approaching for the sake of approach and no real empathy towards the women. Maybe lot of them wanted you but wished they know you a bit more.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

It's easier to count approaches when you don't talk much in any of them. That's what op is doing.

Lol. I never count. I only guesstimate based on the sheer volume and the amount of time spent.

I stopped counting the lays I got after first 10. I estimate around 40-50.

Funny thing is that with quite a of these lays, I never really remembered the girls name, in a few cases I don’t think I actually ever got her name properly in the first place!

This illustrates how quick and random some of these interactions were from the approach to the lay. I literally approached them, propositioned them, they gave me their number in seconds and came out to meet me later. Or had an insta date and went back to a hotel shortly after.

Of course, a substantial number of them were much more drawn out over a course of 2-3 dates and initial approach was much longer.

Once again, I emphasise that I did multiple thousands over many years and I tried all sorts of approaches :

1) rapid shotgun sexual propositions like I described above
2) semi direct compliments, trying to engage in longer conversation before asking them out
3) indirect or opinion based openers
4) funny irrelevant type openers or conversations
5) some conversations I had were up to half hour long before number swap
6) some of the conversations I had were literally a few seconds before number swap
7) etc

To be frank, I never found any real correlation between the chances of “success” or any of the above ways.

They all seem to be entirely RANDOM. It really seems to me women make up their mind about you if they want to fuck you or at least meet you again within literally seconds.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Lol. I never count. I only guesstimate based on the sheer volume and the amount of time spent.

I stopped counting the lays I got after first 10. I estimate around 40-50.

Funny thing is that with quite a of these lays, I never really remembered the girls name, in a few cases I don’t think I actually ever got her name properly in the first place!

This illustrates how quick and random some of these interactions were from the approach to the lay. I literally approached them, propositioned them, they gave me their number in seconds and came out to meet me later. Or had an insta date and went back to a hotel shortly after.

Of course, a substantial number of them were much more drawn out over a course of 2-3 dates and initial approach was much longer.

Once again, I emphasise that I did multiple thousands over many years and I tried all sorts of approaches :

1) rapid shotgun sexual propositions like I described above
2) semi direct compliments, trying to engage in longer conversation before asking them out
3) indirect or opinion based openers
4) funny irrelevant type openers or conversations
5) some conversations I had were up to half hour long before number swap
6) some of the conversations I had were literally a few seconds before number swap
7) etc

To be frank, I never found any real correlation between the chances of “success” or any of the above ways.

They all seem to be entirely RANDOM. It really seems to me women make up their mind about you if they want to fuck you or at least meet you again within literally seconds

Ok i understand now. Nothing much to discuss here as you have indirectly declared yourself undesirable to women.

But still, See why other London based guys are getting results but not you.

 

[POB]

imma keel over laughing if this turns out to be indian race troll..

Shoosh right now!!!...if you say his name 3 times he will come back!