I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a date?

[razir110]

Hi all.

First I have to say I don't approach THAT much. Maybe 3 girls a week max. And interestingly, most of women will talk to me and seem quite nice. However I notice some negative signs such feet pointing away from me, glancing at the watch, when I try to schedule the date I get some "maybe next week" etc. So I talk to women, but I can't say that my interactions are super good. I manage to get some dates, but mostly I get the number with the date hanging like for "next week" and then these women (as expected) won't meet me.

So what is the issue here? Honestly I think my fundamentals are quite solid. Like tone of voice, posture, hand gestures, etc. But maybe I am wrong? Should I revisit the fundamentals?

Or maybe I just don't approach enough? How many women do you approach to get a date? Like a ratio.

So basically I rarely get rejected straight away like "I dont have time" sort of thing, but the interactions don't really lead to dates most times.

Additionally, I repeat myself that I don't seem to notice too many stares at me on the street. Again, perhaps a fundamentals issue (but as I said I consider my fundamentals pretty solid)

Any advice? I'm pretty sure you guys have passed through this.

Best!

 

[naturalmikey]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

You gotta get a lot of phone numbers to get dates. If you’re committed to day game it’s not hard to get a lot of numbers. Pulling with night game is by far the easiest way to success.

 

[Pitcher]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

Quoting something I already posted here...https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=21457&p=104460#p104460

Earlier this year I did a little over 100 day approaches in a big South American city over the course of 3 months. That was probably more day game approaches than I had ever done before in my whole life combined.

Out of those ~100 approaches...
-> ~60 hooked, and I had at least a minute conversation with
-> ~30 gave me their contact info, either Instagram or WhatsApp #
-> date with 10 of those 30
-> sex with 5 of those 10 (3 on 1st date, 1 on 2nd date, 1 on 3rd date)
-> more than one night of sex with 3 of those 5

I feel like those ratios are better than beginner level, but definitely not advanced.

Somehow your interactions aren’t getting her really enthusiastic about getting to know you/the prospect of sleeping with you.

The things I feel like I have going for me are high T levels from lifting heavy, doing other explosiveness workouts (for the sport I play), eating clean, and noFAP. Women can feel my sexual energy and then I intensify it with my eye contact/touch.

I also have lived a life that I feel is interesting and has given me lots of stories plus I believe I’m an interesting person worth meeting who will provide value to whoever I meet. I think that frame creates a vibe that intrigues the women I approach and creates a self-fulfilling prophecy with them wanting to get to know me/sleep with me.

 

[Fuck This]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

Perhaps a slightly more polarizing approach would filter out the time wasters? Perhaps push for an instadate? While this might get you more rejections, if there are potential future ghosts who might be receptive NOW, you will find them...

 

[Space]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

In reply to @onespiritualpitcher

All in all, I would say be patient, be kind to yourself and celebrate the fact that you’re taking action. You’ll get to a level that you’ll feel good about and I’m confident it won’t take you 7 years like it did me.

Interesting.

First question. Since we are on Chase's forum, I wonder how much is this true, how much is this marketing? Note that this is an unlisted video so only folks from girlschase.com can find it, not the regular YouTube audience. For nearly 60,000 viewers (again, this is not YouTube traffic, but folks coming directly from girlschase.com) the likes/dislikes ratio is... about 50-50%, which is... is this the reaction you had in mind when publishing this video, Girls Chase team?

Second question.

Earlier this year I did a little over 100 day approaches in a big South American city over the course of 3 months. That was probably more day game approaches than I had ever done before in my whole life combined.

Out of those ~100 approaches...
-> ~60 hooked, and I had at least a minute conversation with
-> ~30 gave me their contact info, either Instagram or WhatsApp #
-> date with 10 of those 30
-> sex with 5 of those 10 (3 on 1st date, 1 on 2nd date, 1 on 3rd date)
-> more than one night of sex with 3 of those 5

To be effective in this game, I wonder how much do you have to be the super horny guy who jumps on nearly everything that moves, or to what extent can you be a more relaxed, laid back dude who has other things going on in his life besides girls, who can be more discerning with who he jumps on. Who is free to be a little more selective, who is free to have some (not much, but some) standards.

 

[Pitcher]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

To be effective in this game, I wonder how much do you have to be the super horny guy who jumps on nearly everything that moves, or to what extent can you be a more relaxed, laid back dude who has other things going on in his life besides girls, who can be more discerning with who he jumps on. Who is free to be a little more selective, who is free to have some (not much, but some) standards.

Idk about all of that.

To be effective in this game you have to be a REAL guy. Not the guy society has told you to be, or your parents (probably that is, because some parents do an awesome job at this), or Disney movies. Instead you have to learn to be that guy yourself through trial and error. Or learn from other men who have walked the path before you. Or collaborate with other men who are currently walking the path: motivating, critiquing, encouraging, and urging each other to take action. That’s why we’re here on this site lol.

100 approaches in 3 months is a little over 1 approach a day. When you’re spending at least 30 minutes a day walking through bustling streets and intersections in a major city because of your lifestyle you end up passing many beautiful women. You can be pretty selective when making that 1 approach

Here’s a sample:
https://www.instagram.com/aylumackay/
https://www.instagram.com/maruorecchio/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/vick_ferreyra/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/priscila_l_o/
https://www.instagram.com/abrilpuente/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/naty.dlr/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/micxferrarini/
https://www.instagram.com/heukeshoven_helena/

8 of the 30+ I exchanged contact info with. Might have been 40, I could be underestimating. These are just some of the ones with public profiles. Yes, there could be bias because maybe more attractive girls are more inclined to make their profile public.

What do you think? No standards, or some?

Now think about the kind of women who rejected me.

 

[naturalmikey]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

Check out Paul Jankas guide to getting laid in New York City. It’s acailble online for free

 

[Space]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

-onespiritualpitcher

Hi and welcome to the forum! How is it working out for you so far? I've been thinking about that I could write to you a long answer taking two hours with finding all my previous posts to link to stuff I've already written about but what would be the point? Would I or you or anyone else took proportionate value out of it? Frankly I have my doubts.

I've been here for more than a year and my main gripe with this forum ever since is not enough users. Ideally I would be in read only mode and would just read others' posts sometimes nodding, or maybe arguing a little in my head, it doesn't matter. You can see my signature (you don't have to follow up with my links, just read my sig. text) to see where I'm with the forum.

Okay. I skip the long answer to this meta answer now, but I'd address one topic: Instagram. I've written about Insta something short but what I'd consider important. No one took the bait.

About how do I like your Insta girls. The beauty of attraction is that each of us have different personal tastes and it's all good. Personally I've found girls who look better online than in life but the opposite, too. So there isn't any conclusion. Further, some guys are into Latinas, some are into Asians, some into Eastern Europeans, perhaps it has to do with exposure and access, too.

You made the breakdown about out of 100 girls you approached you got less positive interactions, less contacts, some less meetings, even less repeat customers. So my point is I'm not that much interested in which of these or how many of these girls you've actually had, but as you've posted their info, I'm a little interested. Only because Instagram follower counts. These depend on the country how popular Insta is in a location but more of your girls have more than 1000 followers and one of them more than 10,000. So yeah, I'm just curious in that particular Latin American country (one of the girls was Argentinian if I remember correctly, though I don't have to delve into your private life) girls with 1000s of followers are more unapproachable or is that the norm?

Oh! You are from Germany. You know what? I've found some German girls to be quite a pleasant surprise compared to the stereotypes. I wonder if there is a specific region in Germany where the finest girl came from. I didn't always have the chance asking (blew up by asking whether they are East or West German and not everyone is into that kind of humor), or it happened more than once then the girls was very giggly and flirty while their boyfriend being present in the same room. Crazy night time environments.

 

[Space]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

-naturalmikey

I'm not sure to which of us you've addressed your answer. You are welcome back, too!

To continue our conversation it's still my turn to answer you on a few questions I've earmarked, but yeah. Half of what I wrote to onespiritualpitcher applies as my answer to you as well.

 

[Pitcher]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

-onespiritualpitcher

Hi and welcome to the forum! How is it working out for you so far?

Thanks man! I’m learning a ton from the other posters and from journaling about my recent experiences with women. I’m taking more focused action and learning more quickly from my mistakes.

About how do I like your Insta girls. The beauty of attraction is that each of us have different personal tastes and it's all good.

True. It’s also true that one can recognize a more objective kind of beauty. You can admit a girl is attractive generally even if she isn’t your particular type. And vice versa, a girl may not quite be cut out for the Sports Illustrated swim suit edition, but something about her makes her a 10/10 in your book.

Your original reply to me seemed to suggest that in order to approach during the day like I did, one would have to drop their standards and not have anything else going on in their life besides meeting women. That is completely wrong. If you live in a big city you can easily approach one beautiful woman a day by carving out 15 minutes to walk around busy city streets.

German girls...it happened more than once then the girls was very giggly and flirty while their boyfriend being present in the same room. Crazy night time environments.

I’m actually not German, only was living here for the summer. I could go on a huge rant about girls here and being flirty with guys besides their boyfriends. So many relationships here are made through practicality, without much passion. When YOU can elicit that passion from a girl, just make sure her boyfriend isn’t around to see you do it lol

 

[razir110]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

Thanks for your input Bacchus,

About being boring, well lets put it this way, you have say 5 mins to talk to her. How would you engage in an interesting conversation in such a short period of time?
It's true that my interactions are a bit of "interview type" sort of "what you do", tell her about myself a bit to make her fel more comfortable talking to a stranger but then the time is kinda up, so I have to ask her out and leave. Myself would like to engage in a more interesting conversation, but there just seems to be no time to develop one. And plus, if she is into you, would you need some kick ass conversation anyway? By that I mean, a nice exchange of backgrounds with a joke here and there should be enough to ask her out if she likes you right? You can't fool someone into liking you.

What sort of questions would you recommend to develop an interesting conversation? Do you start asking her questions based on what she tells you or you ask stuff like "tell me something really cool about yourself" to keep the talk away from this "background" interview territory?

Best

 

[Space]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

-Bacchus

First question. Since we are on Chase's forum, I wonder how much is this true, how much is this marketing? Note that this is an unlisted video so only folks from girlschase.com can find it, not the regular YouTube audience. For nearly 60,000 viewers (again, this is not YouTube traffic, but folks coming directly from girlschase.com) the likes/dislikes ratio is... about 50-50%, which is... is this the reaction you had in mind when publishing this video, Girls Chase team?

When you factor in the rise of dating apps, her endless options of potential lovers, and the competitive transformation of the world of casual sex, and start getting a more well-rounded understanding of the female perspective as it relates to seduction. . . you will eventually realize that just because a girl liked you, at some point during your day game interaction, doesn't mean your success with getting a date or taking her to bed is ensured.

I'm just curious how these, at a first glance contradicting ideas add up to you.


-onespiritualpitcher

I've devised a longer answer to you. This unfortunately also means the time for phrasing it isn't now.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

Thanks for your input Bacchus,

About being boring, well lets put it this way, you have say 5 mins to talk to her. How would you engage in an interesting conversation in such a short period of time?It's true that my interactions are a bit of "interview type" sort of "what you do", tell her about myself a bit to make her fel more comfortable talking to a stranger but then the time is kinda up, so I have to ask her out and leave. Myself would like to engage in a more interesting conversation, but there just seems to be no time to develop one.

...

What sort of questions would you recommend to develop an interesting conversation? Do you start asking her questions based on what she tells you or you ask stuff like "tell me something really cool about yourself" to keep the talk away from this "background" interview territory?

Glad you asked, here are some articles I've written, providing tips for better conversations.

https://www.girlschase.com/content/golden-question-building-rapport-day-game
https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-bubble-girls-and-bait-hook
https://www.girlschase.com/content/tactics-tuesdays-build-rapport-and-trust-contrasting-and-listing
https://www.girlschase.com/content/3-potent-frame-control-tips-supercharge-your-game

And plus, if she is into you, would you need some kick ass conversation anyway? By that I mean, a nice exchange of backgrounds with a joke here and there should be enough to ask her out if she likes you right? You can't fool someone into liking you.

Attraction is not constant. It can expire, increase, reduce and fizzle out.

A woman's emotions regarding potential lovers are subject to change, based on how she perceives these men at any given moment. Your job as a seducer to manage her perception of you, and the attraction that can arise as a result of this perception, as best as you can.

When you factor in the rise of dating apps, her endless options of potential lovers, and the competitive transformation of the world of casual sex, and start getting a more well-rounded understanding of the female perspective as it relates to seduction. . . you will eventually realize that just because a girl liked you, at some point during your day game interaction, doesn't mean your success with getting a date or taking her to bed is ensured.

More on that here. . . https://www.girlschase.com/content/when-dates-or-pickups-go-awry-3-legged-chair-your-guide-why

So you still have to deal with competition from dating apps even if you just do day game?

How do you win then and lay a the girls when they got all this attention?

 

[razir110]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

Honestly I think that a guy that approaches in person is years ahead of apps. Thats why I dont even use them, never did, never will.

 

[razir110]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

Apologies for cross threads but can you give me some advice on viewtopic.php?f=3&t=21556 I just posted? Its quick

 

[Space]

Re: I struggle to get dates on day game. How many women you approach do get a da

-onespiritualpitcher

I've answered you.