I think I need to hire a professional to jumpstart my PUA career

[Egor]

I have a roadblock in confidence, and that is intimate experience. Especially with city girls my age; I look at them, and I am like wow! Look at how much experience they have. This triggers AA and even if I do approach It will usually flop and I struggle to convey sexual intent. I usually hit on younger girls but then I flirt with a kind of creepy vibe- and even then I still have little experience to offer them anyway. I have good hardware down there and I am fit at 31. I am looking at high priced escorts. Does anyone have experience with this as a tactic to help PU?

 

[Will_V]

I have a roadblock in confidence, and that is intimate experience. Especially with city girls my age; I look at them, and I am like wow! Look at how much experience they have. This triggers AA and even if I do approach It will usually flop and I struggle to convey sexual intent. I usually hit on younger girls but then I flirt with a kind of creepy vibe- and even then I still have little experience to offer them anyway. I have good hardware down there and I am fit at 31. I am looking at high priced escorts. Does anyone have experience with this as a tactic to help PU?

Then let them teach you their ways.

I was 19 when I lost my virginity to a 26 y/o. She was very experienced, and it was more of her picking me up than the other way around. Of course, this doesn't mean I was being passive - I was on a mission at the time to get laid, an I won her with my energy and aggression. But there was no doubt as to who was the more experienced of the two, and she took me home.

Being a man and leading the interaction does not mean faking that you know something you don't, but presenting yourself to her with the kind of attitude that says "I don't care who you are compared to me, I want to take you to bed and bang your brains out, it is what it is".

Contrary to what a lot of dogmatic PUA stuff (not like this place) holds to be true, a woman has a lot to teach any man about sex and love. The worst thing you can do is not be ready to learn and take risks, even if it means biting more than you can chew sometimes and having to spit it back out.

But it does mean being ready to take back the initiative and the frame when you need to re-establish who is boss, so she can be all girly and you can be all manly when she needs you to do it.

 

[topcat]

I have a roadblock in confidence, and that is intimate experience. Especially with city girls my age; I look at them, and I am like wow! Look at how much experience they have. This triggers AA and even if I do approach It will usually flop and I struggle to convey sexual intent. I usually hit on younger girls but then I flirt with a kind of creepy vibe- and even then I still have little experience to offer them anyway. I have good hardware down there and I am fit at 31. I am looking at high priced escorts. Does anyone have experience with this as a tactic to help PU?

Wouldn’t advise escorts.

Will_V gave you some solid advice.

Perhaps ethically questionable, but when I got my start at 16, I’d seduce and fuck fat chicks/unattractive chicks for practice, because in my mind I didn’t want to be inexperienced for the hot girls. They were easier..

Also made it a conviction to only fuck experienced girls so I learned the ropes faster.

That may work for you.

Either way I’d advise ignoring your feelings and going for a full baptism by fire.

Embarrass yourself, do what you gotta do. Mastery lies on the other side.

 

[Will_V]

Wouldn’t advise escorts.

Yeah definitely I wouldn't go that way. I went to a budget place thinking of banging a prostitute before I managed to get my first lay, the vibe of that kind of place is just bad, the girls are hardly feminine any more and it's just the wrong deal through and through. I'm lucky I wasn't feeling desperate enough that night, and would never go there again.

I wouldn't say banging chicks you aren't all that attracted to is necessarily bad, as long as you treat them well and aren't presenting some kind of false conception of the future of it, like you are in love or something. The way I see it, you are giving them a gift they'd usually have to be hotter to get lol.
If I had to, I'd do it for sure. But personally I think there's too much risk involved over the long term in hustling/spamming seduction, like knocking up some girl I don't even like the look of, or bringing some bad effect into your life, like the attention of some peasant bum who has been working on her for years and has nothing to lose. I'd rather build better experiences a bit more slowly, and if I find myself with trouble and risk to deal with, it had better be something worthy of my self-expression rather than something that I catch from hanging around a place I shouldn't have been in in the first place.

One thing that I think is not nearly encouraged enough in PU generally is simply learning to enjoy being around women. Sure I get AA, I experience it all the time, but in my mind, how can someone possibly expect to bang a girl, for her to give her precious pussy to him, if he cannot even enjoy talking to her, if he doesn't even find it pleasant to be in front of her? It is like a friend who wants your time, attention and resources, but cannot enjoy being with you, who feels violently unhappy and defensive in your presence. To be genuinely liked by someone, to know that your existence brings spontaneous delight and positive feelings, is the true social currency, and in my opinion is the foundation of what makes it possible to seduce someone across all kinds of social classes, life trajectories, and even completely different realities.

 

[topcat]

One thing that I think is not nearly encouraged enough in PU generally is simply learning to enjoy being around women.

This x100.

Simply learning to be around women, paying attention to what they are at an essential level, and being able to appreciate it, even revel in it, for it’s own sake.

It does wonders for one’s confidence and vibe. And takes the pressure off - instead of needing, you are simply appreciating. Getting the pussy then, is simply the height of this appreciation.

Always a pleasure to read your posts Will_V. I learn a lot from them.

 

[Skills]

I have a roadblock in confidence, and that is intimate experience. Especially with city girls my age; I look at them, and I am like wow! Look at how much experience they have. This triggers AA and even if I do approach It will usually flop and I struggle to convey sexual intent. I usually hit on younger girls but then I flirt with a kind of creepy vibe- and even then I still have little experience to offer them anyway. I have good hardware down there and I am fit at 31. I am looking at high priced escorts. Does anyone have experience with this as a tactic to help PU?

Everytime a dude has to say his good looking, or has money or _________ fill in the blank, and does not get girls, that is a big red flag, that they have the assumption cause they are "fit" and "have good hardware" women owe you something, they don't owe you shit! does not mean shit...

Here is my advice forget escort date down if you have to and go from there, learn from the girl and experiment, keep it as place holder and is you are improving, keep gaming get better girl and rinse wash repeat...

Escorts/sugar baby is a cope... Now if you are a dude that gets laid a lot and can get and keep women and you feel like getting an escort and shit, no problem otherwise total cope.... and it will not help you, "oh i fuck a 10 escort" does not translate into anything other that you will get more entitled on the field with shit! skill set.... and/or will get addicted to escort when sarges don't go your way...

 

[Egor]

Then let them teach you their ways.

This is a good perspective, thanks.

Everytime a dude has to say his good looking, or has money or _________ fill in the blank, and does not get girls, that is a big red flag, that they have the assumption cause they are "fit" and "have good hardware" women owe you something, they don't owe you shit! does not mean shit...

Here is my advice forget escort date down if you have to and go from there, learn from the girl and experiment, keep it as place holder and is you are improving, keep gaming get better girl and rinse wash repeat...

I am a just a guy that for a very long time thought that improving my body and sex organ would yield girls. That didn't work out, so here I am in this rabbit hole now. Can you please explain the second sentence better?

 

[Starboy]

Here is my advice forget escort date down if you have to and go from there, learn from the girl and experiment, keep it as place holder and is you are improving, keep gaming get better girl and rinse wash repeat...

This is a good perspective, thanks.

I am a just a guy that for a very long time thought that improving my body and sex organ would yield girls. That didn't work out, so here I am in this rabbit hole now. Can you please explain the second sentence better?

I don't represent or speak for skills,but my interpretation of his advice (which is good advice for me as well) to is to date or sleep with girls who is maybe not your #1 choice for the sake of gathering experience and practice. It will be easier to jump from dating a 5 to a 8 than from no girls to a 8(number scale always makes me cringe).

One caveat is don't force yourself to sleep with women who you find completely unattractive or gross. If she looks like a troll,is obese,too ratchet or ghetto,anorexicly skinny,dirty or anything that would normally turn you off in a woman don't bother. It's a waste of both of your time. If you see a girl on the street giving you iois and she is ok looking or somewhat cute consider giving her a chance even if she's not the sexiest or who your peers would consider attractive.

Don't let your ego get in the way of growth just because you feel entitled to the hottest girls. Once you get some experience and improve then you can more confidently game girls with more sex appeal because you are a refined man who knows what he is doing and been there before. That doesn't mean stop going for the hot girls,but mix it up from time to time.

Also the escorts thing I agree with Skills. I never really considered getting an escort just because if you get a taste you run the risk of being less motivated to learn pickup just because you were able to fuck a hot babe by exchanging some money instead of having to seduce/romance her which takes time and a lot of conscious effort.

Even if your only intention for sleeping with an escort is for the sake of practicing sex your brain doesn't care. It recognizes that the easiest path to sex is to pay for it. Sex being one of our needs our brain will always choose the path of least resistance.

 

[ulrich]

Why do you care about a girl having more experience than you? Experience in which sense?

The funny thing about sex is that everyone is awkward in some way.

Im honestly more concerned about why your avatar is a fugly cyclops.
Most guys here will have something that builds them up… why you chose something like that?

 

[Vision]

Escorts and hookers are a slippery slope... I know guys who went down that road and it became an addiction and then it was painful for them to leave it and go back to dating because it's really easy to just pay instead of dealing with all the stuff that comes from women.

My suggestion is that you build an active social life instead. Get around attractive women that you would date but just be friends with them. Start conversations with them about relationships and sex but do not get sucked into trying to make moves on them or date them.

A LOT of famous PUAs and PUA instructors have sex with women they wouldn't ever want to tell people they sleep with... why? Because it helps desensitize them to the process, it gives them good habits with women who value them, and it allows them to have success. It also boosts their numbers of how many girls they can say they slept with, which is fucking silly but it's true.

It's definitely one way to go.

I try to date women who don't have experience, which is funny when it comes to sex because they're always awkward. I've slept with a lot of virgins and it's always a fun experience. I don't know why you'd even want a girl with a lot of experience but I know some guys like that.

But I also tend to date girls who are close to half my age because that's what I'm most attracted to.

 

[Rain]

But I also tend to date girls who are close to half my age because that's what I'm most attracted to.

How old are you generally speaking?[without having to reveal your actual age!]

 

[Vision]

How old are you generally speaking?[without having to reveal your actual age!]

I'm turning 40 this year (not sure why I wouldn't reveal my age).

It was weird when I was 30 and dating 15 year olds... or 20 and dating 10 year olds.

(If you don't know, I'm joking).

If I was 30 and dating 15 year olds, I probably wouldn't admit to that.

I tend to date women between the ages of 21 and 25... younger than that and they're just too weird and naive, ime. Older than that and they tend to be too bitter and have too much baggage, ime. But maybe I'm missing out, who knows?

But I also prefer to be in relationships rather than just doing hookups.

 

[Skills]

Escorts and hookers are a slippery slope... I know guys who went down that road and it became an addiction and then it was painful for them to leave it and go back to dating because it's really easy to just pay instead of dealing with all the stuff that comes from women.

My suggestion is that you build an active social life instead. Get around attractive women that you would

I try to date women who don't have experience, which is funny when it comes to sex because they're always awkward. I've slept with a lot of virgins and it's always a fun experience. I don't know why you'd even want a girl with a lot of experience but I know some guys like that.

Cause sleeping with virgins totally sucks for most dudes other than the super tight vagina and ego bust... most dudes here pass and most dudes here don't suffer from maddona whore complex, as a matter of fact we teach seduction based around maddona whore complex...

 

[POB]

Go for cougars

Get an older woman with a nice body (does not matter if she has a frog face....nah, I'm kidding, go for complete package)
Fuck her brains out as much as you can.

Ask her everything there is to know about the female body, how she likes to be pleased, and take her out often (even if you have to pretend to be her BF....suck it up.....just don't make dumb promises to not brake her heart). Go out with her and her friends and ask them questions too.

Younger women know shit...usully their blowjobs are not the best...their handjobs are so so...and they are either too passive in bed (or to agressive without knowing how to pace). Young women are the eye candy you have to teach how to do things. Save them for when you become the professor! Now you are the student....find a good teacher and learn the right way.

Forget escorts, unless you are a virgin (or a very experienced player trying something exclusive and new or bored with regular chicks).

 

[Vision]

Cause sleeping with virgins totally sucks for most dudes other than the super tight vagina and ego bust...

It totally sucks? That's pretty extreme, don't you think?

If sex with anyone totally sucks, you may want to rethink what you're doing altogether.

most dudes here pass and most dudes here don't suffer from maddona whore complex, as a matter of fact we teach seduction based around maddona whore complex...

I'm not that familiar with this term but I did look it up and see @Chase's article on it. I'm not sure if that really applies in this case since I haven't mentioned anything about women who aren't virgins not being valuable... but I'm guessing you're implying that I have this complex?

I've been in relationships with a lot of different types of women... earlier in my life, I didn't care as much about her character and personality and basically fucked anything I was attracted to and tried to get a "prize" of the hottest girls I could find.

I left the community (one of the reasons) because I kept ending up with really fucked up women... I'm guessing a large part of that had to do with me, my mindset, her, and her background.

When I got into college was when I started finding virgins, completely by accident.

And while I definitely don't think that just because a girl is a virgin that she's somehow better than other girls... I do think there's a strong correlation between the number of sexual partners a girl has and the likelihood that she's fucked in the head and someone you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with.

My guess is that if a woman values her body and sex very lowly or she uses sex as a way to quell her pain or whatever... basically, if she has a really high sex partner count, there's probably a lot of fucked up things going on in her head... she's also probably a lot more likely to cheat and not worry about it. And she's probably not someone you want to be in a relationship with, with very few exceptions.

I don't know that for a fact but I have seen some studies that support it and my experience would dictate this to be true as well.

If she's had a low number of sexual partners, she's more likely to value the sexual act more highly, she's more likely to have a healthy pair bonding mechanism in her brain, and she's less likely to have a bunch of crazy trauma from past experiences with men.

Obviously, that's not always true... she could have been raped as a child or her virginity could have been lost from rape (I had a gf back in the day where this was the case) and have a lot of fucked up trauma from that... or it could be from a variety of other problems, since our society is a total fucking shit show these days.

Are virgins a madonna? I don't think so... are they more likely to be healthy mentally? I'd say less sexual partners is a good indication that she's less fucked in the head... but it's just one of many different indications that you should probably look at, if you care about being in relationships.

Have you experienced something different or have you not really thought about it?

 

[Will_V]

Cause sleeping with virgins totally sucks for most dudes other than the super tight vagina and ego bust... most dudes here pass and most dudes here don't suffer from maddona whore complex, as a matter of fact we teach seduction based around maddona whore complex...

The solution is to teach them to be pleasing students before teaching them to do a pleasing job.

 

[Skills]

It totally sucks? That's pretty extreme, don't you think?

If sex with anyone totally sucks, you may want to rethink what you're doing altogether.



I'm not that familiar with this term but I did look it up and see @Chase's article on it. I'm not sure if that really applies in this case since I haven't mentioned anything about women who aren't virgins not being valuable... but I'm guessing you're implying that I have this complex?

I've been in relationships with a lot of different types of women... earlier in my life, I didn't care as much about her character and personality and basically fucked anything I was attracted to and tried to get a "prize" of the hottest girls I could find.

I left the community (one of the reasons) because I kept ending up with really fucked up women... I'm guessing a large part of that had to do with me, my mindset, her, and her background.

When I got into college was when I started finding virgins, completely by accident.

And while I definitely don't think that just because a girl is a virgin that she's somehow better than other girls... I do think there's a strong correlation between the number of sexual partners a girl has and the likelihood that she's fucked in the head and someone you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with.

My guess is that if a woman values her body and sex very lowly or she uses sex as a way to quell her pain or whatever... basically, if she has a really high sex partner count, there's probably a lot of fucked up things going on in her head... she's also probably a lot more likely to cheat and not worry about it. And she's probably not someone you want to be in a relationship with, with very few exceptions.

I don't know that for a fact but I have seen some studies that support it and my experience would dictate this to be true as well.

If she's had a low number of sexual partners, she's more likely to value the sexual act more highly, she's more likely to have a healthy pair bonding mechanism in her brain, and she's less likely to have a bunch of crazy trauma from past experiences with men.

Obviously, that's not always true... she could have been raped as a child or her virginity could have been lost from rape (I had a gf back in the day where this was the case) and have a lot of fucked up trauma from that... or it could be from a variety of other problems, since our society is a total fucking shit show these days.

Are virgins a madonna? I don't think so... are they more likely to be healthy mentally? I'd say less sexual partners is a good indication that she's less fucked in the head... but it's just one of many different indications that you should probably look at, if you care about being in relationships.

Have you experienced something different or have you not really thought about it?

When I say it sucks they don't have enough sexual experience, I like really good sex and good oral, forget that, then they get to needy and clingy... I personally wouldn't do a virgin now a days when I was younger yes... As I told you before women go through life stages, some go through a cock carousel stage... I don't have problems with women with a high lay count getting attached and devoted and treating me like a king and being loyal.... I noticed in your writing that you have a bit of maddona whore complex, read this to understand: http://www.theskillsmethod.com/the-2-types-of-men-when-it-comes-to-seduction/

 

[Vision]

When I say it sucks they don't have enough sexual experience, I like really good sex and good oral, forget that, then they get to needy and clingy... I personally wouldn't do a virgin now a days when I was younger yes... As I told you before women go through life stages, some go through a cock carousel stage... I don't have problems with women with a high lay count getting attached and devoted and treating me like a king and being loyal.... I noticed in your writing that you have a bit of maddona whore complex, read this to understand: http://www.theskillsmethod.com/the-2-types-of-men-when-it-comes-to-seduction/

Interesting article, thanks for that.

I don't think trying categorize me really helps you to understand me though. I think it boxes me into something you can understand instead of actually getting to know me.

I don't see women so black and white as thinking they're either totally pure or totally dirty, just like I don't see men as totally one way or totally another. Categories are just things that people use to try to put things in boxes so that they don't have to think anymore about them instead of actually understanding what those things are... just like trying to prescribe me with the "madonna/whore" complex.

In reality, I think people have patterns... some patterns are healthier than others. I'm looking for women who have healthier patterns. Can women break the pattern and want to be with one man after having a giant avalanche of dicks? Sure... Is it likely? Probably not.

I actually dated a girl a couple years ago who had a really large number of sexual partners who wanted to get married to me and have my kids. After screening her, I realized she had some really bad patterns... patterns of telling me she'd be exclusive with me (I didn't ask but she insisted she'd show me she could do it) then banging other dudes after she said she wouldn't (she just straight admitted to it)... is it bad that she fucks lots of dudes and can't seem to stay faithful to one guy? No, but I'm not dumb enough to think she's going to change who she is and what patterns she has.

There's a book out there called, "Change Or Die" and they talk about people who had life threatening illnesses that were caused by lifestyle choices. Those people were given an option... they either need to change their lifestyle or they're going to die from their illness.

I don't remember the exact numbers (it was a long time ago when I read it) but I think around 90% of them didn't change their lifestyle... why? Because for most people, change is way too difficult. Some people will make changes but most won't.

So if I meet a chick who has been riding dicks like it's going out of style, my guess is that, at the very least, she's in a really shitty pattern that probably won't change. And I don't want to deal with the effects of that for a variety of reasons.

People have light sides and dark sides and they change who they are depending on their circumstances and who they're around. But they also have patterns that they're stuck in that are very difficult to change, depending on how often and long they've been in that pattern.

I just look for healthier patterns and patterns that lead to healthier relationships. If you think she's going to be different with you and break her patterns for you and whatever other nonsense, good luck with that shit.

 

[topcat]

Interesting article, thanks for that.

I don't think trying categorize me really helps you to understand me though. I think it boxes me into something you can understand instead of actually getting to know me.

I don't see women so black and white as thinking they're either totally pure or totally dirty, just like I don't see men as totally one way or totally another. Categories are just things that people use to try to put things in boxes so that they don't have to think anymore about them instead of actually understanding what those things are... just like trying to prescribe me with the "madonna/whore" complex.

In reality, I think people have patterns... some patterns are healthier than others. I'm looking for women who have healthier patterns. Can women break the pattern and want to be with one man after having a giant avalanche of dicks? Sure... Is it likely? Probably not.

I actually dated a girl a couple years ago who had a really large number of sexual partners who wanted to get married to me and have my kids. After screening her, I realized she had some really bad patterns... patterns of telling me she'd be exclusive with me (I didn't ask but she insisted she'd show me she could do it) then banging other dudes after she said she wouldn't (she just straight admitted to it)... is it bad that she fucks lots of dudes and can't seem to stay faithful to one guy? No, but I'm not dumb enough to think she's going to change who she is and what patterns she has.

There's a book out there called, "Change Or Die" and they talk about people who had life threatening illnesses that were caused by lifestyle choices. Those people were given an option... they either need to change their lifestyle or they're going to die from their illness.

I don't remember the exact numbers (it was a long time ago when I read it) but I think around 90% of them didn't change their lifestyle... why? Because for most people, change is way too difficult. Some people will make changes but most won't.

So if I meet a chick who has been riding dicks like it's going out of style, my guess is that, at the very least, she's in a really shitty pattern that probably won't change. And I don't want to deal with the effects of that for a variety of reasons.

People have light sides and dark sides and they change who they are depending on their circumstances and who they're around. But they also have patterns that they're stuck in that are very difficult to change, depending on how often and long they've been in that pattern.

I just look for healthier patterns and patterns that lead to healthier relationships. If you think she's going to be different with you and break her patterns for you and whatever other nonsense, good luck with that shit.

hey @Vision i respect what you write on here. Your intuition on relationship management is solid,

however i think where the wires are getting crossed here between you and @Skills is that you seek committed partners in monogamous relationships (or one-sided? i’m not sure). For this sort of arrangement I’d say 100% a girl with less desire or experience with new dick is probably best. The headache of managing such a woman wouldn’t be worth it.

However, and I’ll put myself in such a category, some of us here would be bored to tears with such a woman. I wouldn’t see the appeal personally. I like freaks and as long as she’s not causing me problems and remains submissive/compliant she can stay with me in some sort of open arrangement. I think @Skills may be in this camp. I wouldn’t want to keep such a woman in a monogamous arrangement, as it’s not what she’s built for.

I’m also starting to notice two camps of freaks.

You have “chaotic” types who are emotionally unstable and usually say they want to settle down and probably truly want it, but their neuroticism makes it impossible long term. Cluster B types..

Then you have the stable, confident kind, who can basically get dick when they want it, wont when they don’t, are highly independent and will only submit to a man if he really is on his shit when it comes to dominance. These ones you’ll probably end up settling in some form of swinger relationship with if it’s your cup of tea..

I’m madly attracted to this second kind.

Seducer’s fall into different camps and I think this is what Skills is getting at with his Maddona/Whore post. For better or worse we like whores..

 

[Skills]

It totally sucks? That's pretty extreme, don't you think?

If sex with anyone totally sucks, you may want to rethink what you're doing altogether.



I'm not that familiar with this term but I did look it up and see @Chase's article on it. I'm not sure if that really applies in this case since I haven't mentioned anything about women who aren't virgins not being valuable... but I'm guessing you're implying that I have this complex?

I've been in relationships with a lot of different types of women... earlier in my life, I didn't care as much about her character and personality and basically fucked anything I was attracted to and tried to get a "prize" of the hottest girls I could find.

I left the community (one of the reasons) because I kept ending up with really fucked up women... I'm guessing a large part of that had to do with me, my mindset, her, and her background.

When I got into college was when I started finding virgins, completely by accident.

And while I definitely don't think that just because a girl is a virgin that she's somehow better than other girls... I do think there's a strong correlation between the number of sexual partners a girl has and the likelihood that she's fucked in the head and someone you wouldn't want to be in a relationship with.

My guess is that if a woman values her body and sex very lowly or she uses sex as a way to quell her pain or whatever... basically, if she has a really high sex partner count, there's probably a lot of fucked up things going on in her head... she's also probably a lot more likely to cheat and not worry about it. And she's probably not someone you want to be in a relationship with, with very few exceptions.

I don't know that for a fact but I have seen some studies that support it and my experience would dictate this to be true as well.

If she's had a low number of sexual partners, she's more likely to value the sexual act more highly, she's more likely to have a healthy pair bonding mechanism in her brain, and she's less likely to have a bunch of crazy trauma from past experiences with men.

Obviously, that's not always true... she could have been raped as a child or her virginity could have been lost from rape (I had a gf back in the day where this was the case) and have a lot of fucked up trauma from that... or it could be from a variety of other problems, since our society is a total fucking shit show these days.

Are virgins a madonna? I don't think so... are they more likely to be healthy mentally? I'd say less sexual partners is a good indication that she's less fucked in the head... but it's just one of many different indications that you should probably look at, if you care about being in relationships.

Have you experienced something different or have you not really thought about it?

Vision, i want to know that my goal is not a posturing goal, but a goal based on i see a lot of similarities in you and me in many ways (specially that post on the banging teenagers when in college, that we did not do)

I used to think totally like the above and share many of the ways you share and even more, i personally never really got burned till i started pushing and pushing the limits on my 10 year relationship, in other words i got greedy....That got was a christian relatively low lay count and i got burned at the end (but more in this later)

At one point even I had the rev. write a collab and his article mentions a lot of your views in order to find the right girlfriend... https://www.theskillsmethod.com/ultimate-guide-get-keep-girlfriend-featuring-revlifestyledesign/ if you ever read that our list is similar to what you mention and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more of some laundry list from the relationship to the dad, to socio economics....

As i kept dating and evolving and dating and dating and dating and dating...... I realized that there were some women with a high lay count that were amazing girlfriends and despite the lay count and the sexual skills they were amazing girlfriend and is not as you say as black and white....

I developed a system were i did not judge, invited more sexual openness, and no judgmental frames this in turn relaxed the girl and allowed them to put their guard down and to share stuff that nobody from best friends, to family member to anybody else knew, crazy shit! (all of this happened kind of accidental)....

The problem is when i was with your believe system even if you think "you got this" a slight micro expression and tell will betray you and as much as you think you know everything they will hold back or may put up a bait and switch on you...

There are cluster b crazies like topcat says that have a high lay count.... But then there are those that i call "ethical sluts" that are freaks that will open up sexually to the right dude, and they will be loyal, good girlfriends, sexual experience and even if they have a high lay count they will not be incline to cheat on a healthy relationship and even if you are having issues...

I have also gotten burned from women with a very low lay count, remember women with a low lay count at times also have the "wondering" factor, but i don't really care about any of this...

My method is i date multiple women, and i judge them with time and how they treat me, the past, intuition.... This become easier if you go with an open mind and you screen... As they open up you will find out the lay count, lay count now a days is not a true sign of relationship success... A bigger sign of relationship success is the history of cheating... I put more emphasis on the history of cheating > lay count.... or character > lay count....

more healthy women in the west work like this: - get a boyfriend> break up > mini cock carousel/or place holder dude> get a boyfriend> break up> mini cock carouse/place holder dude... Sometimes is not even a cock carousel most time is a "place holder" dude they are sleeping with till they find a dude...

As much as the red pillers make people want to believe women are opening their legs left and right is not even so.... most women are not even comfortable sleeping with 2 guys, they screen hard as fuck...

Again i had women that had low lay count, bad character/honesty factor/shadiness and i had women of a stage of higher lay count (also age plays a factor a women in their 30s will have a higher lay count of one teeneger, but she will also know what she wants and will appreciate you more/more loyalty more character)

What i do i get into pick up momentum rack up lays, get a mini rotation, were i am evaluating everything as i am banging and interacting then one of them excels, i keep banging everybody then what i call comparative advantage happens, and i date her, while sarging on the side a little bit....