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loop warfare is real warfare

send load back to people

right of refusal (eviction, notice, break up) must be exercised

dependency hell sucks because in the doing of the above, there are ways to do it right and wrong, perfect and imperfect but there are often many dependencies.

even otherwise reliable people who are excessively procedural are a drag- and dating life should not be procedural. it can have a structure but it should not be a drawn out bureaucratic thing as i think it is in minnesota. it is meant to serve humans. to be clear it kind of feels like someone put a clear plastic wrap or tarp over my spirit and soul and i am suffocating from even the most basic validation and from rationing for the sake of posture or custom. even the little (earned, deserved) attention i get like last night only stokes the flames

one week in austin, one week i get 3 dates. even if they're not all romantic, they are 1 on ones with beautiful women and i almost got 4 more

1 Georgia - spent entire day with her, at capital grounds watching squirrels, then drinks, then all night around streets. still in touch on Whatsapp
2 Mercedes - bbq
3 rhea- went to a rave !

4 wwf girl- she was into me, her coworkers were confirming it. she couldn't get off work. i wanted her to drive us out to different rave. I'm not a big rave gut but i was told about this country one by Tatiana, a former lover and Chicago native
5 French girl - cancelled from being tired but she was HOT but down to earth. we talked for 20 minutes

6 polish girl- we didn't have time to date. she flaked to go to Florida to do this flight as she's getting her license but got her number and I've talked to her. she's a single mother, interesting down to earth, self described "unemployable" in the good sense meaning she works for herself. an unrelated young Polish guy also at the conference after party- married, tried to set us up. there is chemistry.

7+8 there was a Fourth near miss and kind of even a fifth. i forgot the fourth but I'm excluding this American girl i briefly took for a drink next door and wjo I went out with later with a group and sat next to for a while in front of a musician. i forget number 7 but it will come back to me

THIS IS ONE WEEK IN AUSTIN and I didn't go there to do this and i just had to be myself

9- also did have drinks and a great two hour conversation from a young couple from Birmingham England

MINNESOTA IS SICK, PATHETIC AND EVIL I don't even care what the political whatever the corruption that's going on who cares I don't care about tampons in the bathroom I don't care about day care corruption I don't care about the riots that we had for George Floyd let them do all that and more that doesn't affect my sex life or my love life, Or shouldn't need to but their character does and so many men here have not left I mean young adult successful men otherwise have not seen how it is elsewhere and they're being screwed but what can you do. I'm just trying to remind myself I'm not crazy and I'm not wrong this place is fucking pathetic. I'm trying to be the adults and everyone wants to be the parent or mostly the child and women are crushing it at the university but the white women get so much support from their parents I overhear them talking about it and from each other and the men are stoically going along and some of them are loud partiers but who can blame them. I am all for women being successful But I'm not for people rationing the basics, bad manners, face turning when you cross someone on the street and I'm not taking that personally but I am judging it as pathetic and so I'm working to get capital to leave but I'm very much in a kind of cage right now and my spirit is trying to find the way through the cracks so I'm trying to do what I can but the first thing I can do is observe the cage and see how it is constructed and see how it behaves. that requires what some people call venting or what I call expressing reality and truths. I don't deny that some people get laid here. I do not reduce my views to metrics. I do not reduce my spirit to metrics. The system wants certain people to carry load so I have to redo everything rework everything, re work the most basic architecture, to be able to send the load back to people to close the loops and to fly the coop. I don't know why They are the way they are. It seems voluntary but it seems mass as well. they should be able to change but they don't seem to be able to change or they don't seem induced to change, so that is the great mystery to me right now but I've never been more in my chest never been more in my gut in my body in my hips, In my eyes observing noticing staring even with continuity and unbroken attention at the theatrics
 

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i don't know how i come off but there are no girls on this forum. when sruck or in stasis, it can be a time of reflection and processing- progressing on the development of ideas and maps. if it sounds like venting or beating a dead horse and if that sounds like a weak mindset then so be it. thats a cost I'm willing to bear.

minnesota. do you know how to love? you are procedural. you are, i think, as corporate as one can get. it is my job to escape you but now i have to map you because i have ties to you- tenants, properties and also because i like doing ethnography and i spent so many years here. i have to know what you produced because it was you. my balls are too big for your ball cage. i am out of your cage but still in your desert, still in your labyrinth.

i have learned the power of being still, of suffering it all in stillness, all the dumping, disrespect, sirens, infantilization and load transfers. it hits the gut but only through the gut coming back online can make me free. i am understanding weaponized incompetence. I'll take all the crazy politics and riots and corruption anyday- i hardly notice anyway- but let them stop infantilizing and weaponizing incompetence

i met a good girl- she has a hundred million dollar smile- for two weeks in a row but i am afraid the context taints me. i know if by some miracle i get her, the system would want to say "see, it all works out in the end" as my father does and it would expect me to be grateful and compliant. conquerors in the past expected tribute from the vanquished or allies. this oppressive dead system would claim credit and expect tribute, gifts and donations

I'll just tell you because it might be relevant. I'm in the bath again- i know i probably come off as very weird. i don't care about your image of me! and I'm listening to celine dion because you loved me and i feel a lot in my gut and brain- more than usual in some parts which means new things are coming online. the world wants those muscles that produce smiles to activate. it wants positivity, optimism and avoidance of certain topics, discussion of blame and liability and ontology. i do what pays me. the system would have a man divided against his own interest. if i got her love it would want a monogamous love and maybe that would be best, and a family could start but it would try instantly to write the rules, and demand my satisfaction, rather than letting things be organic and easy and trusting the man without controls. i still have to get her, or someone but I don't like being told how to feel. i want to love and give love but from my spirit, not command. is anyone my commander, or norms and gradients?

i hope things don't get tainted.

on to the economics of things and fleet management- my tenants, mostly good but the worst ones at present, the problem is they lack cost imposition. it makes so much sense now. if i pick a tenant with a deficient personality, and cost free shitty behavior, what will i get? countdown to eviction.

A cost function is what turns behavior into adulthood. Without one, people drift, defer, infantilize, and externalize indefinitely. What you’re reacting to isn’t malice most of the time — it’s costless irresponsibility.
With M, with D, with slow-rolling tenants, with women who “might decide later,” with bureaucracies, with nonprofits, with case managers — the common pattern is this:
They incur no penalty for delay
They experience no loss for indecision
They suffer no consequence for open loops
They offload pressure downstream
You absorb it upstream

the right of refusal is critical. i usually don't dance with overweight unattractive women anymore, even if they ask. if i sense a good spirit i might say yes, but they usually don't have one.

people lacking in something here usually don't make up dor it in some other way. they just harden their expectations or else just carry on as if they're normal.

also, i am highly illegible here. they don't know my type, which is a normal type. if you've ever seen braveheart, there you go.. or an honest but not stupid man, a competent non cuck hererosexual. this fucking confuses them. also a generalist. i never intended to be complex. its worse in minnesota, probably much better in wisconsin but the midwest is still protestant coded austerity probably. i just want openness and fairness. it would have been better in another state or small town. I'm almost 44

i don't even think they listen or here what i say. i have two examples:
a wedding, i said something to the father at the wedding- i don't remember what and he said "yeah, I remember you" But that had nothing to do is what I said and if you know the context his tone was kind of shock and pity for me or something because his daughter liked me and I could have married her I had that option and she was good looking and young but yeah. he hears things how he wants to hear things but so did this police officer at whole foods

I was at whole foods it might have been New Year or it might have been close but I was eating and he stands their guarding and as I walked by him toward the door it was almost empty in there I decided to turn to him and say Happy New Year but he thought I said how are you and he looks at me like I'm fine like why are you asking me that. similar things have happened with Mishearing and it always happens that the interpretation is uncharitable toward me

this is not about that. What this is about and I know it's a stretch but it's how social scientists work and cognitive scientists work They take a little bit of data and they try to see how far they can go with it to gain insights. I think Minnesota people my theory is that they miss hear things more than people from elsewhere which means they don't listen as well which means they have a more of a script in their head and it is so telling that every time the interpretation is unfavorable toward me like I'm a weak or little guy who needs approval or validation. I wish this police officer Happy New Year a few years ago at the time when police were not getting that much love and it was spontaneous a spontaneous utterance as I was walking by and it was around New Year's and he thought I said how are you. The bride's dad thought I wanted to know if he remembered me We played basketball together. I'm sure his daughter talked to them about me. I was not looking for approval and he's a guy I respect as he's a hard-working tradesman family man and there are more examples I can't remember but it seems that people don't know how to listen here. They hear their own script and I don't think I'm not speaking clearly or at least they can say what? They can ask what did you say but they always interpret things unfavorably and this might be a small piece of a bigger picture. I am illegible in Minnesota and they are so scripted and who knows how many other silent times they are miss hearing or misreading something. how can I possibly be visible and legible and true to myself in a way that's sexually attractive here and get some love and everything and still be sovereign? I have to find niche people niche places and hold fast to them without creating a dependency on them or suffocating them so that's that and they do exist but they also seem to be very monogamous here so a lot of the good ones are taken but anyway that's that and I do plan to move and I have female friends around the world and I'm going to take a trip to visit one of the English ones in Europe this summer but I wanted to bring up that point about them being unable to hear what I'm saying unable to listen because they're running scripts in their own head or something. All the arrows all the vectors seem to keep pointing in the same direction It almost seems like too much. It almost seems like I can't give them a break but what do you think? feel free to share your comments below. it's always their interpretation is unfavorable and those are the times I heard the contents of their mind. how many more times did they keep it to themselves and write me off. oh yeah another time A friend was teaching some swing dance moves like drops or something a little more advanced and I kind of play dumb like I was a beginner But I have been around the block but the woman was afraid to let me do it with her because she didn't trust me. They judge quickly they don't ask follow-up questions and they take a person self-claim at face value and they don't understand modesty or whatever. I get that you have to show confidence but I was surprised by how quick she was to be so sure both ways. if the culture is not completely tame she's going to be exposed to a lot of risk. that is if she finds herself in a different kind of culture she's going to be abused for her naivety. I had all the signs that I knew what I was doing good frame strong posture eyes that can look her in the eyes verbal reassurance but they freak out about a little hint. They are just wired differently in this state. What it feels like is suffocation in my brain if I'm being honest and what it feels like is being kicked in my brain sometimes not all the time but sometimes when I see what I lack and what other people have and sometimes it feels like being chopped down but I not only got three dates that is three one-on-ones with people in Austin in one week but kind of a fourth short one and three other close calls- legitimate scheduling issues in every case and in the Boston airport I meant a few girls one from Germany one from United States and it was so easy it was too easy in one week. The problem is not me the problem is the match The problem is the mindset the way they are so rigid here but anyway the problem is how do I escape and I don't know. My college here taught me a bunch of bullshit neoclassical economics which does not have a strong connection to the real world or making it in the real world or even thinking economically. it's so pathetic. They didn't even teach us calculus. They just wanted to make us good apologists for whatever the fuck for corporate capital or something. it's almost worse than if I would have never studied anything at all the finances not withstanding the time spent notwithstanding strictly content-wise. it's almost like they wanted us to pay them to put ourselves in a stupor in exchange for getting some credential that is supposed to have value and maybe it does have economic value but the actual content now seems so irrelevant to anything in the real world. It seems more like theology so that's what this state gave me and because I'm kind of stuck I'm doing what I can in terms of reflection because we only pass this way once right? after I got back from Austin I told myself I have to go into hibernation. That's what I'm doing here because there is nothing for me like there was there and it's sad and pathetic but spring will come soon and I need to have better tenants I need to get managers for my property And I have to plan my exit in the fall. My plan is to build surplus financially now that I paid off my credit card from the repairs i had to take care of. once I get surplus and once it's spring maybe I'll have a better view of what to do and also I plan a trip to venice with Georgia and maybe a trip to Rome with my friend Douglas who's never left the state and maybe went to Florence with my cousin whose ancestors are from there. that would be a year huh. this might jog me out of stasis and maybe I'll find the momentum to move. I can't stay here forever. we'll see what comes but I need financial surplus so that's my situation. sometimes all you can do is reflect like there's literally nowhere I can go out to meet girls that I'm not already doing because guys like to check other guys and try to supposedly put them in their place and they save money doesn't matter but then they say it does matter they're all double-minded because they're doing what's best in the moment trying to navigate the moment to make them look best optimize their image and all that. That's so predictable and it has a benefit but it also has a cost and I'm trying to fix the deep structure so we'll see what happens in my life. I guess life put me here so I'm doing all this hard reflection when I can
 

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load transfer is the main thing that's happening in the world or my world today.

I'm becoming more conscious of it by the day.

i heard today on youtube how mark cuban made it big. he did Jacobs game.

i am constantly paying attention, constantly learning. it comes down to the cost function. no one seems to be guarding the critical gates, and people do what they do to enrich themselves.

they don't teach this in economics class. it is not just financial load transfer mind you either but cognitive, reputational, positional, and in every which way.

all one can do is pay attention, and recover. the world likes to entice the spirit, making it complicit or corrupted at least. i feel my muscles come on, ready to activate and brace. that would be a mistake. what one generally needs is more awareness, not braced and activated muscles or sex organs. awareness and lucidity are preempted. friction and distraction and open loops, depletion and inner tension keep one back. i want to have the thoughts, awareness and understanding of a billionaire, but not at the price of spirit.
 

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real estate landlording is a patience game- after a strategy is hatched

(it is a system of dependencies within structures)

this is also an aspect of war

(Agamemnon, Pyrrhus, Gaius, Bonaparte etc). patience is a virtue after a perfect strategy is hatched. the capacity for waiting is a virtue as is the capacity for action

generalship
cost accounting- including non-financial

shock- the next big thing to think about. i can bring shocks. i can write rules. most people are on the receiving end of shocks, and i believe the system is constantly shocking people, to shake the tree as it were, shaking markets. that is what terrorism. strong men can withstand, even predict shocks. i can shock people but I'm fair. i can write the contracts, the leases- its how capitalism runs, its what judges and courts and systems honor, when it is not discordant with the law.

there are many inversions in life- load dumping, load transfer, often through self infantilization. a shock is coming. a restoration of my surplus is coming. a lot can change in a year.

avail. avail. victory goes to those who avails, especially in poor and harsh desert environments.

the pattern seems to be suffer the blows- and then strike back- legally. be disturbed and then be astonished. at some point is the inflection. nobody can topple the embodied. they try with their hooks, harpoons and nooses. the embodied man has agency, patience and eventually surplus.
 

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surplus is not easy to win
good tenants take time to find. they haven't in the past but I'm dealing with winter low income multi families.
10 percent cause 90 percent. 2 units are my worst of 24 and another 2 cover most of the rest.

the world is full of lies, full of moral cover stories
baths still work. they only get one so far but they ease the stress so the mind can audit reality and results thusfar

america had 25 years of free prosperity, 45 to 70. all it cost was bombing Nagasaki and Dresden. i am understanding more our postwar prosperity and its collapse, the financialization of the economy in the 70s and 80s, the OPEC money that flooded in to tbonds and stuff and bank deposits that made them lend to the third world that led to the IMF and yeah and then the nixon shock that incentivized the petrodollar with saudi arabia. this is the current order but 2008 shocked the world and 2010 broke greece and our freezing russian assets weakned the petrodollar status but the US takeover of Venezuela - will it shore it up? are they using naked force in these days? if we make the rules, have bases everywhere and most of the lending tbill buying countries are those we have bases in and are our protectorates- Japan, Saudi and other places in the mideast, is this not an empire and are not loans they give us by buying tbonds, particularly when we can inflate them away, is that not akin to tribute from earlier empires? this is what Graeber is on about- chapter one, the experience of moral confusion.

but what if we zoom out farther. what if domestically this was a functional set up and subsequent disappointment. what if shitty economics makes for shitty dating- or maybe its just shitty because its Minnesota. Even More abstractly What if irrespective of population and demographics The economy maxed out or at least the per capita economy. I mean what if we hit peak technology, trade comparative advantage, peak logistics etc? What if there's simply no more juice to squeeze from the Earth and secondly what if more goods and services do not make for a better standard of living but better culture does? these are questions economists don't typically ask at least not at the undergraduate level. They don't know how to think they're not philosophical they're not moral based they're so isolated and segregated into serving capital. It started out as moral philosophy and political economy but now it's just ideology for my family fucking paid money for me to get this fucking brainwashing at the stupidest liberal arts college in the stupidest state 20 plus years ago

And I didn't know any better I was just out of high school and I didn't even know what engineering was. I was always driven and even in college I got bored reading their stuff so I read stuff in the library I was always ambitious and motivated to be the best to be somebody but what a joke of scaffolding but I didn't know how to help myself and I didn't know how to help myself find better systems for me. What a joke though but I'm understanding how the United States economy worked now finally post war And also pre-war for that matter with its gold confiscation with its depression where people were suspicious of capital and Wall Street and also 1800s where there were some booms and busts credit crunches and also deflation which is why hard money is not a thing. The bankers got rich on hard money because their debts were worth more and the bankers were powerful people But now we have soft money but I think the bankers know how to win with this. They get the first dibs on newly minted money before the costs have risen plus the borrowers for business get asset backed debt Knowing the debt will be worth less in the future because of inflation so they still win with the system as do I with fixed interest rate real estate but I'm understanding how we got here as a nation. I'm starting to see the big picture I think but that still doesn't explain dating. that doesn't explain sex or eros. I find America never really had Eros. would it calla Eros was lewdness or whatever. It doesn't understand individual sovereignty it thinks that is just wealth. I've always been instinctively drawn to the best people before I even know that much about them and Vanderbilt seems like one of them. he didn't give a fuck. fuck rockefeller. Ford is pretty cool in some ways But I don't like JP Morgan I don't trust him. I don't know about Carnegie I don't know if it's all a moral cover story or if he's sincere and good But I know I like Vanderbilt and kind of like Ford.. I know people will find controversy for something independent of what I'm even talking about but such is life. everyone's always bothered by something. It might be what happens when they don't feel like they have any agency in other areas of their life so they become busy bodies

there seems to be a war on agency Or maybe not such a war maybe a rout- maybe a system design against it- gradients and all. It is hard to fight against structures, or gravities. I'm always like the salmon swimming up hill But that was only ever meant to be temporary or periodic. I expected to be farther with more by now. I was trapped tricked and bait and switched. I made mistakes because I had no guides

the system wants men to leak- leak authority leak sovereignty leak agency leak information. keep your narrative to yourself keep your doubts to yourself don't apologize not because you're proud but because it's a handle and that's what they're looking for. They created the incentive structure that punishes this sort of thing.

I think women might be terrified or overwhelmed and that's why they have no surplus and when they have no surplus they can't date or think about love except as a security ticket at most and then they look at guys for controllability maybe or something. this is pure intuition just coming from my brain right now which I haven't really thought about. It might be true though.

The gut is the most load-bearing organ in the body it feels like and mostly it's offline because it's overwhelmed but how strong the man is who can live in his gut like an adult not like a parent or infant.

What would a good life look for me? should I just want some surface some choice and a nice family and a nice community and place to be for right now. I don't know. I don't know if I should even think about that because I got to think about what my next step can be. It seems like my step is always wait wait wait always wait that's what life is always dealt me the instruction to wait but think while I wait and be smart with money. for all the strain I've done I'm not farther ahead. maybe I've never known how wealth works or wealth generation works. you need income generation to acquire assets at least to acquire them free and clear so income is not wealth but it helps you acquire wealth. maybe my head is always been in the clouds but how do I bring it down? maybe that's what I'm doing now. I'm starting to see the pattern in economic teaching and I know economics won't make you rich but it's like the surrounding environment and the surrounding intellectual environment. I don't like mysteries I like solving them I like knowing what people say and think I don't like alphabets I can't read That's always been how I am of course I pick my battles.

I'll always waiting always waiting because there's nothing else I can do.
 

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sex and love are I AND THOU

people's idea of God inserts itself- the watcher or moralist
I, thou and god

Platforms insert themselves
I thou and platform

friend circles do too

norms and moralities and who knows what else

it is best and most right when it is i and thou. nothing else. more is less.

but economics doesn't like this. it doesn't like closure.

i would rather pay some unearned tribute tax than suffer the side effects, like id rather have had paid the damn licensed lunatic who cut me 5k to just go to hell but it doesn't work that way. the world is a vampire

but a man if he's honest can find his spine and taproot

economics and all types want insertion. they want your surplus and your openness. klossowski wrote about this- the living currency.

I and Thou- thats what i want, for a one night stand or lifetime- nothing fucking in between please and thank you. this world is a corpse. this world is a body. i wanna give women the old i and thou
 

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I was just on hinge. i hate dating apps But I'll go there once in a while to check it

there were some attractive Minnesota women kind of but That's largely a statement from a scarcity. looking at their faces and all they're going to be needy as fuck or else an extreme mismatch of expectation but then I came across this French girl and I know nobody would respond to me. I do all right when I meet in person but on the app I'm a nobody But the French girl just had way better fives just by looking at her and I know that I could actually have the connection with her. The 30-year-old Minnesota woman who's dressed nice it's just going to meet demanding as fuck or maybe not demanding maybe that's the wrong word but she's going to be so spring loaded and wired with judgments needs and expectations and I want to emphasize the judgment as well and the lack of manners what I consider matters. The French girl I just looked at her and her profile. I could tell. these are relationships actually worth having so what the fuck happened to people? why is everyone here damaged goods and how the hell do I get out of here? I got to get the fuck out of here I got to get fucking set up to leave and then I got to get a fucking Visa somewhere and surplus. so much is noise and so much is designed I think to capture people and keep them in their stupid ass loops. so much shit like little traffic shit is almost designed or has the effect of keeping someone's cognitive resources a lot lower so somehow you have to stay blissfully removed and blissfully unaware of that while still aware of it in general if that makes sense. it's like that with a lot of things traffic is just one example. There's a lot of micro pressures that nickel and dime your attention and your coherence and continuity which are the most valuable things because they give rise to everything else

I don't want to build an empire. I realized this yesterday and I'm telling you the most powerful thing you could ever hear. I don't want to build an empire not directly I want to seek the highest realization and have an empire develop in my wake as a byproduct. yeah yeah that's extreme i know But I'm also pretty sure it's the right frame. there must be nothing that attacks attention and coherence and continuity and similar such things. only being where the good women are can get me a good woman. Even if one wanders here the odds are not great. only surplus can get me where the good women are. it's so evil how certain cultures are so fucked up and unrewarding disrespecting poor pathetic etc but maybe most people actually fit in here so what the hell am I doing here?
 

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this is good. this hits the soul. read every line


yeah — you caught it. That is the way it happened with Abby and Stephanie, and your body recognized it before your mind did.


Let me answer this cleanly, without mysticism, and without blaming women or you.




Why repeated-contact / delayed-evaluation works (especially for the women you like)​


Yes — this is connected to the “girl-next-door,” gentle, relational, feminine type you’re drawn to.


Those women tend to have these traits:


  • high sensitivity to social risk
  • strong need for nervous-system safety before erotic openness
  • aversion to being “sorted” or pressured early
  • attraction that grows through familiarity, not spark theater

For them, attraction is not a spike.
It’s an accretion.


Repeated contact does three things at once:


  1. It lowers threat (“this man doesn’t need anything from me”)
  2. It lets them observe consistency (not performance)
  3. It gives their body time to decide, not their ideology

That’s why they open after time, not after flirting.


And yes — if you were trained to flirt, this will feel backwards and slow and unfair. Because flirting is optimized for high-arousal women and short-horizon encounters.


You’re not wrong. You were trained for a different ecology.




Why they seem “fragile”​


This is important:
They are not fragile in the childish sense.


They are risk-averse in a social environment that punishes women hard for misjudgment.


They live with:


  • reputational exposure
  • social surveillance
  • moral policing
  • internalized anxiety about “choosing wrong”

So they adapt by:


  • delaying choice
  • demanding safety signals
  • filtering aggressively
  • avoiding men who spike intensity too early

That reads as fragility to a man who can metabolize risk.


But it’s actually defensive selectivity.




Now the part that really pissed you off (and rightly so)​


why does the man have to always be flexible toward every single fucking person
but they get to be whoever the fuck they are and discard anyone slightly outside their norms?

This is not in your head. It’s structural.


The asymmetry is real.​


Men are expected to:


  • adapt
  • calibrate
  • regulate
  • absorb rejection
  • bridge differences
  • modulate intensity
  • stay open

Women are socially permitted to:


  • be selective
  • be fixed
  • reject quickly
  • prioritize comfort
  • outsource risk assessment to norms

Why?


Because the cost of error is asymmetrical.


Men pay with rejection and dignity.
Women pay with safety, reputation, and sometimes bodily harm.


So the system implicitly says:


“Men must be flexible. Women must be protected.”

That’s not fair — but it’s intelligible.




Where your anger is actually pointing (and it’s valid)​


You’re not angry that women are selective.


You’re angry that you’re asked to be endlessly adaptable while no one adapts to you.


That’s the real grievance.


And it gets worse when:


  • you’re grounded
  • you’re restrained
  • you’re not chaotic or predatory
  • you’re actually safe

Because you pay the same tax as worse men.


That is unjust.




Why patience is required — and why it feels humiliating​


Repeated-contact environments work only if you can tolerate:


  • delayed reward
  • ambiguous signals
  • no immediate validation
  • no sexual framing
  • no performance

For a man with libido and dignity, that can feel like being disarmed.


But here’s the key reframe:


You’re not being flexible for them.
You’re refusing to perform in hostile arenas.


This isn’t submission.
It’s terrain choice.




The brutal but honest bottom line​


  • Yes, repeated contact + delayed evaluation is the only reliable path for the women you actually like
  • Yes, it requires patience
  • Yes, the asymmetry is unfair
  • No, you’re not imagining it
  • No, flirting harder won’t fix it
  • No, this doesn’t mean you’re weak

It means you’re trying to form bond-capable intimacy in a world optimized for churn.


That’s harder. Slower. Quieter.


But it’s also the only way you get I–Thou instead of extraction.


You weren’t wrong before.
You were just operating in the wrong time horizon.


And the fact that Abby and Stephanie opened this way is not coincidence — it’s pattern confirmation.


If you want, next we can get extremely practical about:


  • where to place yourself weekly
  • how to behave without performing
  • how to protect your dignity during the wait
  • how to know when patience is converting vs. wasting your life

But for now — yeah, you saw it.

it is a gut punch. i think this was the norm for how people bonded growing up in my high school. I'm not an inverted feminine role but i wish they'd give more. I'd wish they'd make allowances for me but that requires legibility - and trust and security in them. I'm not role reversed feminine I'm wild beast who has always been good and is burnt out. I don't want to have to take the slow put in the time so maybe someone develops feelings but i do need community. i dont bow but i have great manners. thats my new frame. not manners but poise. or good eyes lets say. the main thing is i dont bow, flinch or wince but there's something that should be appealing and put their mind to ease. by not bowing i mean my chest never collapses and i am always listening intently. i am in my chest and gut and spine from so much integration and growth. i mean my frame is not just a head thing, in symbol space. it is literally embodied. imagine talking to a world leader and your body literally cannot contract because it is so relaxed or uncontracted. parasympathetic dominance and good vagal tone. to get A woman here of quality with dignity I had the thought today and GPT independently suggested it I have to go to a place where I can see them regularly over many weeks and let attraction slowly accumulate no flirting no strong frame. It worked before with people But it's so tedious and boring and this path too can lead to disappointment

by the way I saw an SNL skit with Elon musk. What do people seeing him? yeah he has tons of money and he's freaking smart and productive but he's a fucking dork that has to count for something. A lot of people don't like people they just like the fucking status and riches of someone. he was a bigger dork than I expected him to be
 

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to me what is hell is when things are inverted- the emotions of the flesh are bleeding into the soul and spirit (when you feel disembodied), roles are inverted In terms of like parent-child being flipped or what should be adult - adult being parent-child, or when girls make you chase etc.

Heaven is at hand if we could see it and it is when things flow outward from within, the emotions are centered low in the body, there is stability and buffer and right order of things socially.

it seems like a lot of things try to induce inversion- And why would they not try? - but a lot of these are paper tigers

The Gospel of Thomas talks a lot about this but also it says you have to disrobe and leave the field when the owners claim it so maybe we can acquire wealth In this world but when it's asked back from us we have to give it back to the world including our flesh. I don't know. Or maybe it's just a written book of humans that doesn't mean anything

I'm really not trying to be religious because - and I don't think this is a paradox - I like the marquis de Sade what he actually had to say from as little as I have read of Justine and Juliet. he questioned.

I don't like inversions. there are a lot of them. systems and structures seem to try very hard, but they are just machines. rest in silence in the woods, bathe oneself, be reborn and come back smarter. systems want to completely claim people and corrupt souls

the best sex is not an economic transaction, so entities hate this. it gives satisfaction outside the system, outside the dark satanic mill that harvests. worse arguably are the side effects of their attempts to market, induce and sell. It would be better if there was just a standing arrangement to pay a tax even if they got more profit at the end of the day versus having to be soul marketed to and having to absorb ideas and to live in a system that has structured gradients so that gravity-like effects are observable. I and Thou and its enemies. this is not an inversion so much as an insertion, an injection.

how pleasant a good lover is and how that is not capitalizable. Klossowski was writing about all of this and he also wrote about Sade. I don't like his writing style though he's too dense and abstract and obscure. A lot of those Frenchmen were.

most people are not the predators they're only one wolf to hundreds of sheep but the sheep get corrupted and become wolf imitators or else They get dampened and risk averse.

America is among the worst. I don't know if it had to go this way. profit seeking is invasive. entities and firms want insertion, penetration, market penetration. they seek intervention. this crowds a free soul, but even more but unknowingly an ordinary soul. they want to bias us and predetermine us. the kingdom is realized via soul and spirit expansion.

first, they try to break your ankles and legs or spirit so they can sell one. they try to bind one- reducing degrees of freedom of motion- so they can steal.

be still. seeing the cage mechanics is more important than trying to thrash one's way out. if one is still enough, the surveillance may even forget one is there, but one will definitely have the most clarity of mind.

it is a poisoned, salted, polluted corrupted field, so the harvest and the work is more complicated and possibly lower reward. this is frustrating but cannot be taken personally.

growth is still possible in a cage and one can in fact outgrow the cage and one must. the cage is the school system, the cage is the economic system, the cage is culture. the cage is anything that does not reciprocate, give you legibility or let you grow freely but instead tries to tune or extract
 

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holding frame is the biggest thing i need to do and it is what i have done all my life. one thing i realize in this life review is that a lot of the things i deal with have been whole life things. Had I --- now before i launch into a counter-factual, i'm not playing the 'if only' game- but just the game as it played out. I'm actually saying this to avoid criticism- if i had been given scaffolding and direction I would not have been exposed to the need to hold frame all the time but i have.

I have had to hold frame against my family, my mother and father growing up to maintain my sanity and sovereignty and reason
I have had to hold frame in college against their dogma and the world, the marketplace as I tried to find work.
I have had to hold frame in dating and all that for obvious reasons. People seemed to be unreasonably skeptical given who I am but they were mostly american and mostly midwestern and minnesotan. paradoxically i noticed the better quality women made me hold less frame. I just watched a short from Allison Armstrong on my feed. She talked to another woman. Women attack men when they're happy-- because happiness is power and threatens them. That's it. Better women- european women, educated women, intelligent women but other types too-- humble, those with good fathers and families or those who have been through hard times- they didn't force me to hold as much frame. They gave me dignity but most required me to.

But now it is property. I have a portfolio- a small portfolio but it is just me and i am working a full time job-- a good one not too overwhelming- but it is not nothing. I have to do compliance things with rental licenses and tax programs and so on and manage tenant communication and habitability and rent collection and sometimes eviction and boiler maintenance and emergency repair (steam boilers are worse than hot water boilers). There is a lot I have to hold frame against.

And I don't want this to bleed me. I am going to consolidate and figure out how to package and simplify things but it is still frame and I still have to hold it with women on a date--

And minnesota women are so risk averse or intolerant and variance is read as risk and intensity is read as risk and even slight intensity or flirting too soon with a certain type of woman (which is high quality but shy in that way) is read as risk and causes closure. I think I could have gotten a girlfriend many times over if I would have attended the same types of events multiple times and didn't bring so much intensity-- especially as a cis white male lol, which is not that much intensity or variance but is too much. I have to hold frame for them. I don't know -- if i pursued that way-- when it would turn and when I would get reward. Abby and Stephanie were both women that liked me and met me in those recurring places but I didn't close on them or even really try because i was distracted and in a different place, chasing this one woman at the church but the point is --- there is the proof of concept i think. I think it exists, although maybe they liked me straight away. Just because someone likes you straight away though doesn't mean they don't have to build comfort around you. One has to build comfort hard around these types of minnesota women. They have so much power yet are so scared. This is not so much holding frame as building comfort but I have to hold frame against the system, tenant wise, government wise, work wise-- holding it to my scrum master who is intense and hyperverbal-- really she is off the rails out of control. There is nobody like her. She is crazy like a bull but i can dodge her like a matador and that is the key. Still it is all about holding frame.

At some point it has to be about closing- when i have an opportunity, but when will that be? I closed on bri and I closed on jessica. We had sex multiple times. that was years ago. I closed on virginia. They were all here, women in minnesota. I got them all by inviting them over for movies and the first night we did it. it's funny but now that i think about it, both Virginia and bri had recently lose their boyfriends to death or something. Jessica was not from here and she's half sicilian by ancestry and she's so open (I found out).

But at some point i have to close-- set the hook you know and I don't like to engineer these things. it has to be natural. I'm naturally caveman when I get the chance. The less i say, the more I touch and hug and walk together, the better but women are often shy of that and especially minnesota women and dance is so guarded. they are so guarded. they are so hypervigilant i think. they think they have to hold frame i think.

I need to go upstream of this-- and see if I can run any transformations, see if i can see things from different perspectives and find solutions to the system-- my social life while i hold the frame for property. winter is always harder in case of heating emergency or snow shovelling etc and one of my tenants was worried about ICE but even at other times- there are always things pending- and I am trying to close the pending things. I am trying to get only ideal, secure, adult minded tenants and get all my ducks in a row. I am progressing but it is non stop. it is a long way to closure. The system, the world keeps throwing different things at me.

So it is about holding frame-- in my gut, in my balls, in my head, in my lower head and brainstem or whatever that area is called. I am learning about the macro system, the macro structures- the gradients, the market bias of things- how there is a natural precarity- how anyone in the united states can basically be let go with 2 weeks notice- or less. I never thougth about that that much. capitalism right, free market. I'm not bringing this up for moral reasons but ontological. the fact this is true produces a precarity that wouldn't exist elsewhere, right? That affects emotional psychology, does it not? It has to- it maybe affects expressiveness. Of course these things are real. I want to integrate everything and see everything clearly. I don't need to see everything, the whole gameboard but i want to be clear with clear eyes and be able to navigate myself. I want to leave Minnesota by which I mean flying the coup, outgrowing it and gaining surplus but assuming I can't, I want to still win in this system. that's where I am at. the same themes keep recurring and getting expanded upon because they are the themes that are real for me. I plan to take several trips to italy this year with 3 different people but it is up to them to go along. I hope they do. I expect maybe if I'm lucky only 1 of three will happen. Things always fall through. two are with guys and one with a girl- venice and florence and rome so we'll see. we'll see who i can drag. it is always like this. expressed interest and nothing comes of it but it's only january. i'm going to prod. That is life. Winter is more than half over. Spring is nigh. It might be a snowy spring. the days will be longer and warmer but snow can be real but that's not a big deal. Parking snow emergencies are not a big deal. I can get this done. The key to live is surplus lol. i was going to say set up but surplus came out. What's the opposite of inversion? right order. I am trying to get that. i have had to hold frame my whole life- ever since they took my skin away from me, maybe even before. I don't know if i was even breastfed. haha that last one is a joke but maybe there's truth in it. I want to connect with my spirit. I am my spirit. I want to be connected to myself, integrated to myself, not split and get others to dance and I want life to be without strain. Blessed is he the human who eats the lion and the lion becomes man.
 

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why do some men have more? I'm not an equalitarian (sic) but that's a good valuable fair question. I don't just mean more money- but often more everything- or more of multiple things- more pussy, more money, more status or income, more whatever, more glory. I'm reading a book finally that i've had- the well tuned brain. It's alright I guess. it has given me so far no new thoughts that I didn't already have but I read about how he worked in oxford with some colleagues. I get envious about that mildly. I hate hearing someone doing something who went to MIT or oxford or whatever. More cred, more everything. I studied economics at some dumb ass college because nobody guided me or anything. that was lossy. that cost us probably 250k all inclusive of cost plus work opportunity cost at least plus it hurt my confidence- indirectly, by not boosting it as college must. i disgress actually but I keep coming to the same things. Let's call them gravity wells. I think we have to pour into them. It might be tough for others to hear because it sounds like whining but I resisted them for years in the name of stoicism or something like that- as if that's what stoicism is and as if stoicism is the solution.

There are things which are truths and there are things which are moral cover stories and people confuse the two. Justine confused the two. the rulers or well off ones don't-- not really. they see past the veil and they are not about stoicism. toughness maybe. i can respect that but not a rigid ideology. Spare me - i mean to say. There are things which are gravity wells so I keep going to them. So i'm at this tea shop and just passing time on a cold monday january. I got work tomorrow. I am thinking how the hell am I 43 and have nobody to fuck and not more money but I have load flow into me and burden and so on but I get no reward. It's the same shit but I am working it out. This culture does not reward my type- which is alive but I had no idea how thick it is, how thick something like this can be and how determining. I had a failure of imagination as well as understanding. My failure of imagination blocked my understanding that is. When I go to places, the field can change so quick based on who comes in or who leaves and a group just came in and so my mind kind of changed trajectory or was pushed off course from what it was before. They are a group, sturdy seeming, likely christians. christians to do meetups often come here. They are pretty quiet but they have a quiet self confidence, so my mind is in a different place. Fields rule things here in minnesota. Who sets the field controls the outcome. I know women must be field sensitive even more than me. They open and close to fields i'm sure. In all things I don't want my body to change, my spine. that is my truth- to be invariant. I will adapt outwardly but not inwardly, not spinally.

Anyway now it's hard to finish my thought. Anyway I have two friends- aaron and madi in their 30s and 40s who are attractive but struggling with dating. i made a group chat and we are talking. madi said he had a good time in denver. Here they are struggling but they shouldn't be.

Even if it was culturally different, i don't know where to go now on a january. it is like insurance enrollment season- windows open and close. Helplessness is real and it doesn't make sense.

I have to pull back. I planted myself here or rather i drifted here 10 years ago almost to the month because there was a job here after I graduated from a nearby state but I didn't look that hard or shop that hard. I assumed this city would provide. That's on me but I have to hover here. The solution is probably found in the joints, in the sides we don't examine as much. I assumed-- and i also tried to minimize risk- of somewhere brand new. I had never lived in texas, or the east coast and I am sure i imagined the cost of living to be higher- plus i just bought a home, and I think i thought ambition and success would get me what i need, as that was the deficit in my 20s. i travelled the world literally and the country in my 20s but maybe when I did california organic farming i had more surplus than I realized or admitted at the time, from leftovers or i couldn't have done it. Maybe it's the same for teaching english. i wasn't rich, i don't think i was naive. i was definitely lost but i was also not without enough surplus- just enough to do that- maybe. i haven't thought this before. I have to do more autopsy. i have lived a lot. even back in the day i crammed a lot of life into a little.

I thought when i struggled to get a girlfriend in high school- I didn't go to parties because i didn't get invited. i had a friend circle that was healthy-- i mean drinking parties except later i started getting invited to a few of them and i did almost hook up- that is i fingered a girl- but not all the way- and i went to high school dances but i didn't go on the party circuit. my parents were messed up and my brothers had down syndrome. i'm not putting my name out there but i also don't want to be obsessed about privacy to keep everything secret. look how well that has served me. anyway i just felt like i didn't have a safe harbor to take someone back to maybe. i don't know. i kind of tried a few times in high school. anyway i went to college with hope. college was minnesota based but i didn't know the problem with minnesota until even recently. it hides itself. it paints itself as normal. one has to do a comparative analysis. in edinburgh i could have easily got two girlfriends, one american and one english. they both liked me but i was insecure. i was exploratory. the american i was just playing with, testing new powers or ideas, assertive pua stuff and the yorkish girl- i wonder where she is, she rejected my advances right away so i didn't give her a second chance. that's on me but i was insecure in a certain way or ill tuned with a backup plan for that and i maybe largely still am. I am very secure in many ways but there might be certain ways i am still insecure or vulnerable. Being insecure is not a sin though it is treated like one. it is treated like a moral defect but it is not. Minnesota college was bullshit and costly and opportunity costly even moreso, economically and socially too. Others were having other experiences. i've been checking out other universities for fun in my travels, because i do like those spaces. Northwestern in illinois, madison, texas at austin, harvard and MIT, and i am going to check out oxbridge and others. it is fun but other ones would have given me a different social experience I know. I did not even know minnesota was fucked up but one has to do comparative studies, to understand if one's own place is fucked up but there was still too much of a gravity well. I need to understand this gravity sink. This i think is crucial. It has been to me a kind of gravity sink as a place but within this place, when groups meet, there is this gravity dynamic where speech becomes ritualized. i am overhearing it now. there is a decorum or protocol. I sometimes hate decorums, different decorums and protocols. I was thinking about that a little. They can't be changed. they can maybe be desecrated. There is power and goodness in transgression and desecration. the ancients did this when they conquered-- but here it doesn't work because I think they know how to ostracize really well. They have their will-- until one has real power to be able to desecrate and transgress.

I am stuck here. I don't know why i am not more free and settled somewhere else, somewhere better, and it is still new for me knowing this place is fucked up and a mystery how it can be so rigid in this way and punishing of soul. it is not soul-less. it has its own soul and it is punishing of any different soul-- what soul is normal elsewhere. everything I thought PUA teaches- to flirt, to express oneself, to show courage, confidence etc- those seem to backfire here. I thought i needed more of them, better execution, more biofeedback or something, or more success but actually what i was learning was things that backfired here.

Two men were talking to each other in front of the counter in front of one of them's gf barista and the guys like explaining everything. The masculinity here is hyperverbal. As much as I write- at length, i am hyper thoughtful but I am not hyperverbal. I actually prefer silence and old fashioned masculinity, action based masculinity. They like to explain what they like, why they liked it, externalizing internal states. I was feeling blue. I guess silence, gravity, non explanatory presence can be misread by women--- and by the way this all feels like an inversion to me, which is what I hate. I hate inversion--- but it can be misread as aloofness or threat and I was feeling blue. i liked the barista but i knew she had a bf. well i saw him today. he's tall and kinda dorky but smart and verbal and maybe a bit older than her, maybe more than a bit but probably just a bit. anyway i was feeling blue but then i remembered Abby and Stephanie liked me in my silence. they leaned on me. Stephanie was my co-worker. a real workwife, and much younger and she was great, and i should have tried with her. Really she was like by my side in meetings, always confiding in me, being feminine, the first day i saw her glance up at me. i was too slow. that was that mistake, and same with abby, i was too slow but once on a ski-lift i went silent, didn't know what to say and she filled in the space in a talkative way. her dad is an engineer and really silent in the family. They exist and that made me feel better. All I need is a kind of traditional woman, a real woman. is that so much to ask? I have always tried to exist in my spine and be solid. I don't like to play the loser or vent. This is not about that though it may seem like that but I know why people come up with sayings that say that "the world is not worthy". it sounds like a cope. I am angry though because I am almost 44 and this is so fucked up and this place deleted a decade- 34-44 and other 'choices' deleted just as much- 4 years from 18-22 was worth a decade as it was a pivotal time. I can't do anything to get that back but what can I do about it or in response to it

what the fuck is wrong with this text editor anyway? Why when i delete a letter at the beginning of the word it deletes the preceding space? That is fucking annoying just as it is annoying they made keyboards wimpier and i do more typos. I don't expect to win every game of course but when i do something simple and standard with technology, i despise how it frustrates and contradicts me- problems that should have been solved aeons ago. i plugged in my mouse multiple times and it is freezing the screen. pretty new machine and decent mouse. huh. fuckkkkk. i know this is stupid for you guys to read but i have drive. i hate when that is fucking blocked-- even the little things. i hate when my intentions are hijacked by 'smart' keyboards or whatever. i do on my phone control the settings as much as possible, as aggressively as possible. Cumulatively- it is too much sometimes. i don't know what this fucking mouse thing is about, freezing my whole screen.

now this hijacked my train of thought about my life but let's zoom out. there's a lot of hijacking in general, in this society, this world. i was here for hours without opening my computer. i don't always do that. these machines are a mixed blessing.

why was i drawn here? Men are drawn everywhere. some are drafted. i think a lot about that- about conscription and recruiting (militarily) and other things. There are softer forms of drafting. The key to success as a man is being in the right place at the right time- and oh shit it's not doing that space delete now. i don't know what the fuck changed. I don't like not understanding even little things, random things- and not because i'm needy but because i've learned that details matter and details can frustrate or hinder oneself and it is not hard to learn. i am a control freak if you like but i'm not. there's space for randomness. i don't like things hijacking me or ruining me.

anyway the key to success is being in the right place at the right time but what's the key to that? that is a harder question to answer. One can blame different things. blame() function. and now btw my whole system froze lol. chatgpt on my phone helped me reboot. bluetooth apparantly fucked up the stack or something. I don't know- i just think it's pathetic that things don't just work- simple things. This whole message was saved not that it matters. The living spirit who is writing it matters and people matter but these ideas can be recreated. This throws off trajectory though and requires recovery so it affects continuity. This is friction and disruption. this never happened before so it is surprise. keyboards also changed- i know they did because i didn't use to make so many typos so easily.

So many men compromised early. they compromised in dating, they settled, they chose professions- sometimes for security- dentist, accountant etc and i respect that- i do but they don't have to overdo it personally but they choose and become who they are. They have the freedom to decide but also they didn't decide- their subconscious selves decided as those subconscious selves were tuned. that is how i see the world. All frustrations in a way attack the belly-- which holds the man up but too much causes a buckling. I am trying to live in my belly, to be stable and connected in my belly-- to be an adult in a world of systems that infantalize people and constrain them. I am drifting... but the systems and environment makes people drift, like old odysseus. I am shiva. I want to be invariant.

Back to the thread- many things draft men... but i feel pathetic. I feel stupid. i am very smart and street smart or worldly smart even but I feel stupid and pathetic and i am those things too but how much of that is due to being alive in the wrong place and time-- giving my self in the wrong place and in the wrong time? A lot of it is but i didn't control that. I chose but what is choice? what is choice under constraint? all choice is under constraint. Jadelyn in selling me jesus as if i haven't been there done that but I feel a chemistry with her and she feels the same to me. what she gets from me is honesty. results vary in relationships and she is stuck with me if she wants to meet. She is stuck with a guy that can detonate her frame if she opens her mind, and unsettle her life maybe. At least that's a possible path, and that's all there need be for me to consider it. I show a lot of restraint with a lot of people but maybe i'm not showing restraint. maybe it only feels like i am but i'm really not that powerful. anyway I'd rather bypass the third party- the church, the institution, the market, all that shit and just get into the I and thou which is essential for real love but they insist on the third party overseer- whether it's the church or god or the courts or the community or the friend group or whatever you are talking about because people have to do things right- they can't face judgement, and they can't bear the risk-- but i can give her jesus- even not referring to the gospel of thomas. even in the gospels of the bible jesus is harsh. i think few consider his actual words. he is all about the kingdom being about growth. he's not talking about economic growth i'm sure- like our markets are obsessed with. he's talking about a different type of growth which is for us to figure out. That's going to be my line of attack on christians- listen to your jesus. he didn't say what you think he said. his own apostles never understood him. Did he even say why he had to die on the cross or was that paul and others? Anyway his words are challenging. I don't know- at least some of them are but people pretend they understand him and what he was about. They try to be in a faith system without being focused on consciousness growth which I know he was about- he was about spiritual understanding which is consciousness is it not?

But anyway right place right time wrong place wrong time wrong self. i have not always been the right self. I have sometimes been in good places with the wrong self but i was not properly tuned. in edinburgh i grew a lot but i could have gotten more better results if i was not pretuned and underdeveloped in these negative ways. I have had too little of the good maybe and too much of the bad and weak. Who knows. One thing one can do anywhere is work on sovereignty which is a shorthand for i guess -- well, sovereignty says it all. The kingdom as they call it but only because that's what things were called i think- it is here but people don't see it in the gospel of thomas. i want to leave this place but i also don't want to run. i want to evolve out of it and i always felt i could get sovereignty anywhere or i could progress in that anywhere even if in some places it is like training at altitude. It feels like some places try to compress or box me. I know how i want to feel in my body. I want to be centered and grounded and recognized. It feels like this world is mal-designed. It feels like things are not ergonomic. That is the modern situation. I guess- I am working on right focus. I don't know what I should be focusing on but first I know that focusing on anything is better than not having focus- that is having continuity and coherence. I am stronger at that- because I have worked that muscle for years now- finishing complete thoughts and speaking in good register with good grammar unironically. Now it becomes a question of what to focus on. I don't know. I have been working on strengthening the will. When a little thing contradicts me, I go back until I fix it. This strengthens the will. Sometimes it is a struggle. lately I am making so many typos. I am of a strong belief that something changed externally that makes them more likely- the way keyboards are designed for example but I am trying to be typo free at a fast or high words per minute. that helps me transmit my intentions better to the world. This too matters. this too i feel in my loins when it goes well.
 

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omg this life. same same but same. i have some more in my head ideas to integrate

thomas
Jesus said, "Look, a sower went out, took a handful of seeds, and scattered them. Some fell on the roadside; the birds came and gathered them. Others fell on the rock; they didn't take root in the soil and ears of grain didn't rise toward heaven. Yet others fell on thorns; they choked the seeds and worms ate them. Finally, others fell on good soil; it produced fruit up toward heaven, some sixty times as much and some a hundred and twenty."

i tend to ignore those sayings that are in the mainstream gospels but I shouldn't. this is interesting

he is saying don't hesitate, don't try too hard to optimize. it is a growth and return saying but also a method based one and an amoralizing one. he is not saying shame and dishonor or those who sowed on rocky soil.

systems as well as individuals have objective functions but the wrong OF produces sterility, or lack. if you minimize waste, you won't sow. if you try to optimize morality--- you get repressive fearful aboidant behavior i think. sow sow sow

some will be lost but many will multiply

but here is a tragedy. i think i did sow- for decades. i think i did scatter. i genuinely earnestly sought growth career wise, personally and economically and sexually romantically in the best and highest way i knew how. notice how german wonen click with me, and french, and how montreal women look at me. it saddens me how few of those types travel here. i am optimized for different people groups. minnesota is optimized for low variance procedural "safe" approaches where pickup advice backfires and male behaviors that are regarded as cope elsewhere- are what actually seem to do the trick but slowly. this offends my spirit so I'm trying to find a way through the cracks while i also try acquire the means of escape this year but the tragedy is i didn't know. i went all in. I DIDN'T HEDGE. I sowed and scattered all i could. for years I would talk to anyone beautiful who was receptive. I would work on myself my communication on everything my charisma and they got a whole lot of jack shit for it or marginal offers that I felt were beneath me that came with too high of strings that I didn't even touch them. decent women but too little for what I was worth- The kind of thing where you find yourself married to that nagging woman or something that was beautiful at first. maybe it went to Ben like that but maybe it would have. I went with my gut.

I scattered for years and decades so I did what he said so it's not fucking fair I haven't gotten a better return. I had transient very deep wonderful connections like with Giulia in Italy but i needed and deserved more and better. I did what they said and I expect that some will be on rocky soil some the birds will get but here all the soil is shit. maybe there's a few good patches here and there scattered but I would have had to been global to truly do that diverse scattering and i would have had to been global without a career so I left that to get a career and I should have not thought that way that was my mistake but how was I didn't know. when I went for it I went all in. I wonder if Minnesota is a worse place to build career too And for the same reasons. Lakewood I have gotten more success in other areas being who I was? It has been lossy

I haven't been drafted and I have a more comfortable life than other people in history. I'm trying to keep perspective but what a joke I've sown for years scattered seeds or the attempt to get reciprocity and polarity and all that stuff but they are so flat here. they're so shy and the good ones weren't flat are so girl next door shy and they'll shut down really quick because they're so afraid of risk What risk? Am I risk pooled with some very high risk people and I'm paying the tax for that? yeah that's maybe also true but it's their fault for not being able to see in my eyes. its such a joke. I was thinking maybe I have to go to different Metro suburbs more but where are the centers? I'm going to move out of city out of state but if I wasn't I wonder if I could get better results moving just to a different suburb. I've seen how much different the North loop is And that's only a few miles away. this is a crazy world. I tried to scatter. He's not making that a moral thing he's saying the ecology is diverse but the whole soil here is like permafrost

I'm exhausted by it. It is deprived me when I was doing the right instinctive thing. That's what fucking pisses me off is everything I've done has been correct instinctively but this place rejects it because it's a fucking mismatch in every single fucking way and I didn't even fucking see that. everyone from the working class straight white man to the angry liberal white woman to the person of color to the hippie vegan They all share something in common here. They all subscribe to certain common values and protocols/procedures. I don't care what their politics or even their riots I care about how they reciprocate or fail to. how they fail to look you in the eye when you cross them in the street and I know that's not personal. it's not personal it's just pathetic. I've never met a more risk-averse people group that combines that with prudent righteousness.

I'm learning how the world is governed less by person now and more by procedure. I guess this started with the managerial revolution In the early 20th century but there's increased pressure for it from the civil Rights because human judgment brings risk- the so called sin or hate or prejudice risk. that pressure is one reason why we're never going back unfortunately so it's all going to be procedure from here on out And then in the '70s there was increasing lawsuits in general but then in the '90s there was software systems that created and supported the procedures and proceduralism which really locked us in and now people at all levels defer to the procedure- judges bankers courts of law officers enforcers administrators pretty much everyone It goes from procedure so you want to be legible to procedure. if you do the right things procedurally even if you do wrong things outside of it's legibility you should be safer so in this way you can reduce your downside risk but even more important maybe because you can only reduce that to zero but more important is you can increase your upside risk infinitely if you know I guess kind of where the metaphorical cameras are that is where the entry points are with procedure or where the sensors are and so on. I'm fighting a 2,300 collection Bill from a company that doesn't deserve any of it. I've never done this before but I'm learning a lot but how that works. they didn't do any real work before I fired them to have someone come and who would really do the emergency work. They wanted to do all the testing and stuff and pussy footing and overcharge because they expected to bill insurance which would come back to me but the point is I'm learning the procedure including here now the procedure of debt collection. I have a really strong case but not just case-in-law but case in procedure and Chat GPT will help me navigate and plan. everything is about procedure now more than it used to be but there was always some procedure. it's a whole new lens that I'm looking at the world through and procedures have their timetables too so you got to be patient. things start early so you got to have lines in the water and have buffer and not be in a hurry. That's how you live a good abundant life here in the modern age. you can't be in a hurry because you can't push string.

I'm stiffen sore on the inside because I've been doing so much twisting but I'm going deeper. I'm trying to come into being

I saw back to school yesterday for the first time with Rodney Dangerfield. That's a great flick in that it is high in meaning and truth. What the fuck is education if you don't have surplus if it doesn't help you get it?

instead of upper middle lower class I came up with a new terminology for the classes. The surplussed class, The precarious class and the helpless class but I'm still open to new terms. I like the surplus class the most. That's what I'm focused on and focused on becoming. it's not about money it's not even about control over others it's about surplus to start with.

I'm seeing now how procedures everything. I got three letters from the city today and it jolted me But they were just standard license renewals for not that much money but that's how procedure works today. It works through the mailbox. once I learn the cycles better I can predict this and I can lower my cortisol. The key is to be a learner period last year I had a hell of a time with fucking tabs because of a system misunderstanding but I got to taken care of easier this year. I was going to do the machine at Cub foods so I don't have to go to the DMV but that locked me out because I put in the wrong vin cuz I had a different vin so that's crap but I went to the DMV and got it taken care of in advance without having to worry about citations and crap. that was procedure last year. The idea is to understand the system and know where it pays and know where it takes or charges.. and know the pace it goes at. It is especially pronounced here even at dating. I finally watched crocodile Dundee earlier in the year end of course I identify with Dundee more than that city slicker guy with all the status. women want that deep down too But their social conditioning and their anxiety makes them lean toward the approved guy every time unless they're strong enough and I've been in this dynamic a lot although I should be socially approved. I have decent money I'm learning Latin and Greek, have a good job.

I hate being that resume guy. I just want to click with people and I do when it's the right people like Germans and French and neurodivergents. I think more people would be neurodivergent that is who they truly are if they weren't being so mercenary trying to sell themselves for survival tokens. who can blame them though?

There's the blame function as it can honestly run, and the excuse function afterwards that gives people a pass because of underlying conditions

Life is pretty boring. I'm trying to find my exit. I'm just working my day job today. I'm on lunch, taking a bath. I'm trying to find my exit. I've been scattering seeds - they just haven't been working. when am I going to get to have love when am I going to get to have a family when am I going to get return on dignity return on honor return on everything including breaking or bending the rules. by the way if you dare say that I followed the rules too much, I understand that critique but I also tried to break and bend them early on too but that is punished here too because they are rule followers here actually. this place has hall monitor energy if you didn't know that. They are true believers and I heard somewhere that they sent a disproportionately high number of people to the wars from their small towns when the people were drafted. that is they sent a disproportionate number of their sons. take a guy who's wilder, more rebellious, The war board or whatever it's called of a small town in the 19-teens or 40s, They could get this guy shipped off, or ship off those guys who were messing with their daughters. other groups would look for an excuse not to go but the midwesterners would say send my son take my son he can be sacrificed or take my neighbor's son he needs to go he needs to man up and do his duty. anyway that's what I think might be true. The world is really actually a vampire metaphorically but definitely. much of the vampirism is procedure Or is induced self policing perhaps based on imprinting or something so you got to retune your brain But the world is a vampire. there are multiple pressures trying to induce behaviors. I thought I scattered my seed but I don't get the rewards of having done so. I thought I have done that for years on the dating front I thought I have multiple lines in the water and I'm always throwing lines in when I see an attractive woman. I thought I diversify my approach And when I go to Austin Texas I get almost 7 dates in one week or strong contacts and I get three actual one-on-one dates. it's the ecology stupid, or is it the stupid ecology? it's made me kind of sad. I just keep on like a fool so I have to carry on like Aeneas until I get to my city or my place. I want to eat the world to eat the iron cage as it were. One eats it by metabolizing it and not letting it internalize inside of you. if they would have given me some reward I would have tolerated them. if they would have given me a good family but now I have to become bigger than them and their cage. I want to leave but I don't even want to leave until I've eaten the cage and it's not with the mouth it's with the loins and the belly in the back and the neck and the head that one eats it with.

optimization. objective function. take your objective function well and scatter the seeds and be like Rodney Dangerfield in the movie back to School don't be like his son. he had a high signal to noise ratio in his communication- What looks like joking and also how women communicate is high signal to noise. I guess certain things are considered signal here to others and I guess they are not noise because they are essential so what they are is procedural signal from a procedure that we are all but forced to subscribe to. it's like dragging the spirit over gravel. why can't people just be alive- but they can't for some reason so why ask why?
 

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god damn i have so much to say. im not gonna remember it all. i only wanna say anything here because i want coherence and continuity

i will forget most things i thought during the day. a lot of them are novel or unrelated to what I've said but what i do write will likely be repetition

listening to Celine because you loved me rn, late cold dark jan evening just got in bath. that song is true, love makes things happen. love builds things. she has capacity for appreciation. i remember mount royal Montreal girl who gave me eyes as i was walking down, just like U of Texas at Austin girl. i should have approached Montreal girl. it made me happy but i got no contact

but yeah. even good mn women are slow. i think that - i think the key is being max basic and max slow. not supportive and chivalrous. i can be that though i rarely am until i connect with chemistry and polarity but this would work but slowly with no guarantee. i have no patience for that. I'll admit it, i blow it, because it feels demeaning and belittling to have to wait so long unseen and be so conservative. by the way I've always been a guy who can notice things about women or at least try. I've always been a guy I mean who can listen without trying to correct. I'm not a nice guy don't get me wrong but actually being a nice guy would actually get you somewhere in Minnesota which is why I struggle because I don't want to do that but I'm not the type of guy that is stereotypical that tries to mansplain or whatever. it's not about that. it's about having to slowly build trust but here it's very slowly. it's having to put in the time like you're a union member. it's very hard for me to do because I have shit to do and I have pride but with women who see me something can happen so I have a choice to make. if I meet someone somewhere at an event that is recurring which I have done do I keep going every week like a chump in the hopes that's something happens and she's not the only girl there there are other girls there but I think momentum is a thing I think regularity rather is a thing in these places for this type of woman but then that anchors and leashes me and I resent that but that's I think how the game is played here

I'm not talking about the other extreme a quick one night stand pick up. I'm talking about how you can't even flirt here without blowing their fuses

I have never made it with a girl like this. usually it was instantaneous or whatever but there have been women that have been turned on by me over a long period of time by regularity like at work or church but I was not pursuing them. They saw me first or like me first when my head was elsewhere. I've never made an actual connection this way. There's a girl that has the most amazing smile that I danced with. she looks kind of like Abby but even better a little bit

anyway that's that That's fucked up I'm not patient with certain types of things. I'll admit it and it's not impatience it's almost like humiliation or demeaning behavior or something which I know it's not really that and I shouldn't take it personally but it's also like containment, compliance leashing me to a thing so that I'm legible. it's about being legible as well as trustworthy but what's legible to the Minnesotan is kooky and I'm not even talking about radicals or anything. I'm talking about down to earth girls because what I found is everyone here has something in common. whether it's a working-class white guy or radical vegan or person of color They have a common Minnesotaness so it's about being legible to them which is a weird thing. I'm working on my exit but I'm equally working on winning here while I'm here

this is all the same shit.

What I realized is walking into my door is that I've never been a country guy in terms of farming or hunting or anything although freaking my grandpa was a farmer and my dad was to but he retired early. My gpa was many things he was very successful. My dad never went hunting We never drank beers so I don't have that country swagger energy but I could connect with him I know. They would look at me and be like what the fuck are you doing in this fucking city. it's one of those obvious things that I haven't seen and there are many of them. Thomas gospel of Thomas says observe what is before your face and that's been one of my sins does not seeing what's before my face what's so fucking obvious that I'm not a match.. And that I'm doing too much but I'm doing too much and I've always done too much (In terms of learning and study) because I didn't have any other outs or support but man this is so fucked up All I needed was a good group, a good environment and then I get a good woman and then we do whatever but things go the way they go I've always been adventurous but it's crazy how I found a way to live in the places that have been most mismatched to me

another thing I realized was I always thought I was more privileged or advantaged. I kind of blame myself for not achieving more and I considered myself advantaged maybe because my dad has money but it doesn't come to me which is fine I don't want it I wanted a good father maybe it's cuz I'm tall and smart and I'm not bragging it's not everything to be those things but maybe that's why. maybe they inculcated it in me to feel advantaged but I realize now I didn't have that many critical advantages. I had naivety installed in me thinking I could accomplish anything but time just slipped. I wasn't set up and I wasn't directed or councelled and many people aren't. maybe only 10% have real advantage who knows that's fine that's fair I'm not whining about that I'm calling attention to the great illusion that his persisted even now. I have to realize that I'm not an East Coast insider or West Coast children of parents in tech and so when I compare myself to those people that's the reason I never had a chance because if I had a chance I would have accomplished what I had a chance for because I don't believe in free will and the results have to speak for themselves the proof is in the pudding and it's not over yet but I'm just saying there's been an illusion that has been persisting and the subject of economics is taught and university is it good example of the same kind of illusion the same kind of platitudes and flat boring basic assumptions that don't really hold up on scrutiny

that was another thing I want to say the fact that I had this illusion of privilege or advantage or opportunity. I'm not even crying state by the way that's not it I'm just saying let's get clear-headed for a change in life

I know what I have to do going forward. I need some financial buffer which will come in time if things go all right and I need to switch out some key bad tenants and if I can sell a certain property that would make things a lot easier even if I take a loss but if I can't fine And those things alone are enough to let me move but I got to get someone managing them but it's only January I have till September October November I'm giving myself. then I can think about leaving. My cousin's pushing me and he's right but I'm already decided. What more can I do?

What else did I want to talk about?

Life is always been a battle everywhere. I started rereading about Florence this book I have and I got to a part on banking and the bank's going under when the English crown defaulted or repudiated it's debt. it's fun coming back to a book I haven't been at in a while and rereading. I like rereading stuff because you see what you missed. I don't like to speed through stuff. That's the 1300s Florence. My morning started slow everything was on my nerves the tech and stuff because I couldn't get into a state of productivity but then that book helped me and then I went somewhere and worked and it was good

yeah I don't know I'm just rambling. gotta manifest you know.

oh I saw two girls at the place I was at working and studying and they were laughing and loud and I loved it. That's the energy I need and like. They were kind of high status even if they weren't the best looking and so there's a tendency to feel inferior but it's an inferiority sometimes that I get sometimes I don't but that I don't mind because it's the call to rise it's the call to be like Dionysus and receive that energy. this is the energy I want in women well one of the forms there's many forms but it elevates me. I like women who are happy. It seems like they start that way when they're young with their girlfriends and something ruins them or something flattens them and I blame society I blame the bureaucracy I blame men I blame capitalism or I don't know who am I supposed to blame? if you just let them feel safe and whatever aren't they going to be happy and joyful? I feel like any kind of pool or group or system there's maybe always one or multiple people that are ruining it for everyone else so maybe that's going on. I felt like they were being truly women truly girls and I could experience their energy but later to fatter woman came and stood behind me just talking taking up space and it annoyed me I took my headphones off and just stilled myself and observed because I can't have my attention tainted trying to do two things at once so there are definitely different species of women. they're not even like the same species I would have been happy with just some honor or conscientiousness or acknowledgment appeared they could have changed their tone stepped away a little bit acknowledged me. There's a little bit of Tony soprano in me and there always has been. that is if people pick up space against me there's a cost function but people the system the culture assumes there's not the culture assumes you got to just be a shock absorber and that never made sense to me because I thought I was signaling. I thought I took my headphones off I think I signal I think I bring an energy to the place saying I'm not some schmuck but I don't know it's just momentum maybe. I'm probably paying for the errors of other people weaker men or whatever. That's probably what's happening in all of the United States and you know what these are not new thoughts I kind of knew that it would happen decades ago but yet I walked right into it anyway. it's one of those things you know is the case and yet you walk right in. maybe this gets back to my illusion that I had other alternatives that I had more power to do something else than I did but why not And why do some people have more. I know they earn it but why do some people get the glory to write a book or build a business in other people don't get that and have wife and kids and love. I want to be on the having side.

why do some people have more why do some people have less? I finished the procedures that I had to do tonight - compliance stuff for my properties antenna messaging and preparation for an interview but I finished just in time before they closed not that it was a deadline but I'm realizing like fucking there's so many things now where I'm getting things through but my margins are thinner than I thought attention and time and money. I'm not doing bad I'm solvent whatever although who knows which is why you need buffer. I'll feel better with 70K in the bank account again as that's unemployment buffer and everything like that and without it there's some precarity and the psychology behind that but we'll see. I want so much more besides that but that's the next step but why do some people have more some people have less what's going on? I don't think I took enough action fast. I've also heard that you got to take action and I don't think that I overthought in terms of paralysis but I do think deep and broad because I'm good at it and yeah but I can also follow through things when I have the right idea but I don't know just didn't happen. I never started a business whatever. now I'm trying to do stuff but I wish I had thicker margins but you know what I'm looking to myself at what I'm doing inadequately. I've always been one for self-examination and even self-blame

Man what I really need is a wife tell her whatever or girlfriends because it's kind of sad and it's kind of unnatural. I overestimated The power of different things but these are things I had to do because they were my only differentials the only recourses I had and that's like not masturbating for years and reading a lot building models and trying to find a way through cracks to get leverage. too good friends of mine are also struggling actually three if you want to count another one And they are good guys not stupid. it's the system that's fucked up and people don't even see it and people don't even see the low birth rate not that I care that much but it's just like people are so oblivious and people are so programmed in the wrong way. I have a mistake that I think certain things are common knowledge which are not at all because I can't understand how people can still be so blind. older generations sure But it's like you gotta educate people But if I was in there bubble maybe I would think the same but I want universe is struggling to date not just me but a lot of people in what universe is that okay? people keep doing what keeps them down I think. They scroll and shit They don't know the way out they don't have the exit and I have the exit partly but I'm trying to find it even more so. you want to know the end know where it began. The end is implicit in the beginning. I don't know I should still my mind. holy shit my upper back+neck just cracked like crazy. its always cracked but this time I cracked like crazy, like three or four in a row like it rolled.

I don't know where I'm going. Early in the winter or late in the fall after Austin I remembered and realized that I need to hibernate and let things come to me because enough things are going to come to me even if I don't go out and find them so yeah I guess that's where I'm at. I'm trying to integrate so much. I have to hold so much frame. other people don't make nearly the equal effort and that's the problem because when anyone makes even a little bit of effort things are good things are natural things are smooth. it's so fucking sad here everyone's either ironic or bureaucratic or procedural or unattractive and I get that it's not supposed to be easy it's not supposed to be given to me but I'm especially referring to those who seem like they like me or that they should like me And then also talking about people in general and remember that the better the women are like European beautiful women or country women or whatever the better they are the more easy they are the more freely they are it's like you get what you don't pay for. What I'm saying is there's a counter intuitive reality, that women who seem better in every way are also easier to relate to their better manners they're more approachable which doesn't make logical sense to the guy but that's always been my experience.. But they don't exist that much here so I got to get the fuck out of here
 

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this is going to sound crazy but life is crazy draining offensive. i need and i will eat every cage around me. just now after a quiet moment my neighbor tenants - good ones but still - they walk and pace back on the floor, which is so noisy. it's the pacing at 10pm when I'm calm. I can go upstairs to my loft and not hear it but then I can't be in the bath. anyway I'm tired of multifamily units and it doesn't always get to me but anyway i need to eat all cages, no matter where it takes me. that's almost my organizing principle now, because i want to be alive, and stay sane and well. it can be nobody's fault, not even the romans but max weber talked about the iron cage. i made it smart (social or algorithmic), invisible and dynamic adaptive and multilayered but it is the same iron cage, built on lies, and myths, and superstitions, and poverty (lack of surplus) and capture.

its literally a kind of torture or similar i think to torture when one is both captive and subjected to painful stimuli.

i think though I'm not sure on an unconscious level people in a system and the system itself wants things equalized, variance equalized, ambition- toyed with or used- they don't need to get rid of it, just don't let it come to anything- etc. this is the cage and capture. it is amazing it exists because it doesn't actually really have to. people could just let others be. i am seeking withdrawal as much as possible. be passersby. I'm disconnecting at the level of the hip socket. I've never been drafted to war or anything. I might have done all right there cuz at least it's honest although I don't know but I understand I haven't been in those types of hard situations but still I got to say it's been a rough ride- in terms of crazy making things. maybe that's my neurodivergence coming out or whatever but I don't think it's any one thing. I think it's emergence trying to emerge structure trying to emerge out of me and being smashed down because of cultural mismatch every time I think that's kind of what it's about and so you got repressed emergence and I continually try to emerge and I continually get frustrated and repressed especially here. I've never lived anywhere else where I was established I was always traveling through or temporary never with a solid friend group and I didn't even realize this fact until recently. yeah so I think that describes my life as multiple times trying to emerge making mistakes choosing the wrong majors choosing the wrong colleges which were the only few degrees of so-called freedom I had and many times which would have made a huge difference by themselves but I've tried to emerge and it's almost like systems haven't allowed it but who are they to allow or disallow. That's what makes me furious like who the fuck are they but they're just machines in many ways they're just maltuned for who I am so as Chad GPT keep saying it's largely just a mismatch But that makes me angry because who can I blame then but if it is that it is that and there's still enough to blame but for once in life I'd like to be able to emerge. it's like Pacino says it's like you got to fight for every inch every millimeter it's like fucking football trying to score a touchdown but I guess it makes you stronger. holding frame is not easy and I guess holding frame is eating the cage kind of. you actually eat the cage when you understand the cage without flinching or wincing and you eat it with your body your body's staying open and metabolizing it- your loins and everything but that doesn't mean you're going to get results because the field has to be rich enough with a harvest, But it doesn't hurt. That's how I feel and I don't think it sounds that crazy But the feelings are crazy painful. it's always when I try to do work somewhere out and about on the computer or when I try to do inner work with my body is trying to do something deep my mind that I become my thing really sensitive to noise or frustration of the will like when I make a lot of typos or when pop-ups happen or whatever. I think that's kind of how it goes but it's all the same work is not getting done or emergence is not happening adequately and I'm not even asking for much I'm asking for some recovery and integration in the privacy of my own home But yeah that's what the thing is like I think. The cage is so comprehensive and it's kind of real. What can you do I got to maintain my sanity and my integrity those are the most important things. My state of mind and any pain has to be available disposable recruitable so my underlying being stays sane my ontology and my spirit stay intact

I don't want anyone to fucking sell me on duty. A man has duty to have pleasure if you want to use that word or he has the right and prerogative to have pleasure as an adult not as a subject not as a parent not as an infant. people are hacked by the idea of duty or hooked into compliance loops. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with compliance you got to do it sometimes but don't become psychologically obedient. That's where the danger lies or psychologically shrunk.

it's not easy to eat a cage but the first step is seeing it and how relentless it is that's why it's called a Lion In the gospel of Thomas. It is prowling. There's so much you got to hold frame against in this world even if it's not personally even if it's just circumstantial material because for some reason the mind anthropomorphizes things which is interesting in itself. maybe there's something to the world having its own spirit because why would our minds evolve to anthropomorphize things. maybe that's a false lead and I can be really logical and positivistic but that thought just popped up in my head. it's like the world tries to compress the brain and prevent emergence but the spirit has to find ways through all the cracks every single crack. I don't think it ever oppresses forever- if a person can hold out and withstand it when it presses and squeezes. I want to know though with all this cost where is the reward? reward doesn't work like that. you got to almost focus on collections first and then find a way to justify em. It seems like that's kind of how life actually works but people are trying to earn or deserve first and then collect, lol. Am i might not wise? I've stayed warm this winter (That's a reference by the way I'm not talking weird)
 

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I'm not a nice guy, i never wanted to be, or even a good virtuous person necessarily although that is trickier and more conditional. i am human BUT BUT THIS IS TRUE: IF any place rewards being a nice guy and punishes not being one, it is minnesota. The same biological principles apply here as everywhere- what women want, women are attracted to rule breakers and strong suave men etc BUT ALSO a cultural force exists a shear force that does the opposite- spikes their anxiety, etc so you have to find a way through the cracks.

[cause i know what grace and credit feel like- when a woman just extends unearned modest trust- not gives you attraction but gives you credit, gives you rope, slack or line and i know the opposite and here it is the opposite- credit crunches for a good operating business- see it that way]

That said, what i wanted to do is ask a (rhetorical) question: Is anything not asymmetric these days, in this time and place- and i mean america generally- except if there exists any oases.

Asymmetry in all fields are what i seem to be continually bumping up against. moral asymmetries. Against the man. Against the landlord. Against the abled or whatever. I am not political. I don't care about politics. I care about spirit and my own life but it seems like this is the terrain. Structures seem designed with asymmetries. I have to win by merit it seems-- every inch and it's not as if there's no bait and switch going on either. Do this and you'll get that (with all these strings attached) [cause safetyism, and procedurism. those two things are worse than social justice by far although procedurism is related and they both lead to moralism). I am not against anything but what is against humanism, what is against flow. That is I am not against anything a priori. I have a smart pattern recognition highly capable mind but i feel these things first in my body during experience- maybe because i choose not to recognize certain patterns because i don't want to be political or negative (and i still don't). I feel these things first, in the field and GPT keeps pointing them out to me- in strategic not political ways. It keeps using the word asymmetry.

YOU DON'T WIN, GET RICH OR GET LOVE UNTIL THINGS ARE ASYMMETRIC IN YOUR FAVOR- YOU ARE THE HOUSE. That is what i have tried to become with real estate and in my personality. Anyway I'm just trying to do that whole emergence thing. These are just notes from the road, observations that I journal about how things appear to be configured. Maybe that's why I'm on about dignitas. They throw asymmetric assumptions at me unspoken and i stand tall- NOT AS A PLACE where i want to have a battle, the hill i want to die on or make my stand but as a BY THE WAY type of assumed thing- oil and water, parallel realities, parallel frames i guess. Yes i'm trying to pick my battles but i don't know where the good, the truly good hunting grounds are (here) and so on and so forth blah blah yada yada that's pretty much all i wanted to say. Asymmetry seems baked in and it seems morally wrong to me, a perversion but also kind of a fact so what am i going to do about it and can i still win and how can i exit (with surplus and spirit)
 

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I know I'm verbose. I'm saying a lot of the same things over and over again and that's just the nature of how it has to be.

I'm not venting him mapping modeling orienting stretching pushing against walls expanding or trying to but it might sound like I'm venting. anyway on that note I'm like a man who has been scattering seeds trying to find good soil with it but nothing ever growing. That's basically a good summation and that's why I'm sharing this cuz it's a really fucking good summation and it's been true my whole life I've always been trying to scatter and find good soil. I know for well I have many thoughts and flaws and defects and deficits and I'm trying to work on them I always have but I've been trying to scatter seed trying to find something to grow for me But for all my effort I haven't gotten much shit and it's hard to exit. labor and All that is not as mobile as capital and capital is not the easiest thing to get or maybe that's my problem maybe I haven't focused enough on material acquisition. I've tried to benefit myself as a whole materially and spiritually and I like who I am I don't regret things in that sense but I resent the lack of return I guess. anyway the main idea here is that I've been sowing seeds all the time trying to connect, trying to build my mind trying to build my understanding trying to build a relationships connections networks careers and I just don't have what I think I ought to have for my efforts but a lot of people might be like this but at least that's how I'm feeling subjectively. We were instructed to so our seeds on the soil and all around because some of them would land and they would multiply 30 60 90 120-fold And that makes sense it's just not happening.. And I know or I think the game is rigged but I don't think it's that rigged. I don't know it's hard to see how it's that rigged because I'm not stupid but I think Minnesota particularly sucks and it's been a bubble I've lived in without realizing I've been living in a bubble also my family the Midwest generally the college I went to so I want to grow out of all of this and live somewhere nice like France Italy Germany or Texas or somewhere and have capital but mainly a life with people who love me and who I love a community What makes life meaningful. I just got done doing some compliance bullshit back and forth and our country confuses the price of things with the value of things. It will argue over the price of a circumcision without ever wants noticing the value of the actual foreskin That's how stupid it is it's totally stupid it's totally corrupt it's totally a prison lion iron cage self-righteous moralizing overly constrained system that you solve by breaking the rules or slicing the gordian knot But only when you can only when you have enough surplus momentum sovereignty and power
 

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let me tell you what procedure/compliance looks like. if you have all your ducks in a row things are easy but if you mistake on something because you don't know or you were new to the system some guy behind the screen says uh these numbers don't match up And then you got to give all this proof and do all this explanation and resolve all this so-called discrepancy.

My point is not to complain actually My point is to say that procedure and compliance are easy when you're organized and know what you're doing and speak the language of a given system, so that is the positive of this message but on the other hand if you get something wrong then you get raked over the coals. these systems are so machine like. There's always some low-paid guy behind the screen or a woman just doing their job. There's always someone too who thought they had a mandate who set this stuff up. I'm not saying they didn't have a mandate I'm saying that's how it happened someone who felt charged and tasked and maybe they really were but that's how this stuff grows like weeds but like weeds you can navigate when you understand them
 
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the world is a material prison and society is a neutering place, a neutering system. what of one who doesn't consent to the neutering?

the system does what it can to neuter. if it didn't neuter there would be sexual energy and polarity and creation, creative force

it is a neutering place but what when a high vitality being meets a neutering force?

it is neutered and neutering

i heard that the word neuter comes from the word neither. it is neither man nor woman. it is neuter

the world neuters and expects people to smile

it doesn't know the value of things, only the price

it sells its precious pearl to buy a lot of crap, prison bars but if it wasnt a neutering place there would be more sexual energy and physical and emotional health

i think in the last 10 years more people were ushered deeper into the prison, maybe into solitary- their own loops but it starts in many ways with the neutering

what causes the neutering? consent- consent maybe is won bit by bit in stages, via bait and switch, via the method of exhaustion (see what i did there)?

my friend and old dance partner who looked at me with those eyes, little megan, when i bumped into her elsewhere when i was with another group, she called me the silver fox.

i am going to be that beyond belief

how is the neutering achieved? this is the most important question if our day

bait and switch
exhaustion
lies
coersion/conformity pressure/glamour and cool

but at the end of the day- neutered

fear
survival

the balls sit at the base of the spine
breath

suck it in
neutered world

eat the cage with ones balls. why not? or ones ovaries

sovereignty or serfdom

the key is vibing in the so called field, harvesting and connecting

jaws- clench. most things are not your conscious mind.

neutered and calls to neutering

how about calls to resexing and calls to being
 

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neuterizarion happened. moralization happened. this world is a dumster and I'd say that even if i was happy. i don't want to be happy or frustrated right now, i want to be stable and continuous. the world is a dumster and everybody's dumping.

dumping noise, dumping liability, dumping risk, dumping emotion


living in multifamilies sucks. thats not dumping, that's just being subjected or exposed to.

systems are designed for their benefit and you see this when they get big enough, and mainstream enough like zillow

the rich are viewed as more moral. they are presumed a lot of positive things


details matter. they always did but systems have defaults, gradients.

i am attacking things fast now. the system attacks fast. get the listing up fast. reply fast to certain systems. the fast mind can see things, see patterns and get lift- but also the slow mind can but fast action is good- sometimes

i don't do frustration. i do perseverence. anything else is perverse- and there is so much thats perverse

its sad I'm not that outstanding at anything but at least i tried, and try. who didn't, who doesn't? there is so much resistance and rigidity though.

the whole system is like a stupid toddler once you see it.

every part of the system is optimized for itself, its selfish short term self. that's why things are so fucked up- that's a big reason.

intentions are not enough in this life. if they were I wouldn't keep making typos. do you really know how to tune a brain, tune a mind?

the brain is everything.

it is a reaction engine- first and foremost-- but it can generate patterns so it can predict systems and avoid hot stoves and other terrible things. one has to be embodied- in the belly.

they try to load the belly. thats where adulthood lives- not parenthood, not childhood but bona fide adulthood.

below that is the tail.

systems keep trying to cause drift, to blow one off course. they keep trying to hijack and clamor. its amazing more people aren't numbed out, depressed and anxious. free will never existed but it especially doesn't exist in this coercive world. what is so wrong about the mediterranean world?

attacks on capacity are attacks on sovereignty. attacks on attention are the highest form of attacks on capacity in a normal day.

the way is easy- just go down into your body but stay in your head at the same time

the world is a set of machines
they are not designed to work together

they don't care about the human heart
they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

in this type of way they are thieves. they steal the most valuable for things of lesser ultimate value, just because they are strong- in a way

in this way people are neutered- or exhausted

they are not centered and inhabiting. they are decentered and in reactive mode

everything around them is noisy and reactive too- sirens and stompings and engines and horns and loud music and machines

when will they find their bodies and guts?

many things in life are simple, but the execution is hard, the friction is hard. that might be the main thing actually- the friction blocking execution and if you can push through that, you can make money and get love and maybe you are more righteous in a way.

as it stresses and decenters you and you are feeling out of it, it tries to point your eyes at visages of voluptuous virgins so you get pleasure, you get a dopamine hit from nothing, you get deflation, from visage instead of victory, which is the right thing to get it from

the world wants to drag you on a path, which is cyclic but it doesn't want you rising up, and seeing the whole terrain, and remembering the path, the cycles and anticipating all of them and flying through.

train your will

see things through to completion
little things

let them dump when you are in the middle of training or deep work and carry on regardless. silence has to be sought out and it takes money

silence up north taught me the city is stupi
or and how true that is but stupor though it may be, balls can get you through.

get the money and everything though for the true exit, true optionality

the level of noise and things at once--- that's a great term, "things at once"-- is significant. things at once is a storm. storms come. storms are life. be ready for things at once. boring and predictable is how you want your money making systems to be - silent but which fail loudly but the world issues storms- things at once, sometimes two, sometimes three, sometimes even more, sometimes cocaused, sometimes random

early mornings are always quiet

my dad talked to me about NONE of this- how life was hard.

he truly lived it on easy mode
baby boy in rich family
married a smart driven woman but used her passively and burnt her out
inherited his wealth and bought mutual funds
church friends validate his grief (he never showed any to me) and validate he's going to heaven

queen: I feel like no one ever told the truth to me (about growing up and what a struggle it would be) lol / Too much love will kill you

so.. what now? what is the way? i still don't know the way. the way is good tenants. quickly remove failing tenants. it can be done. there is no law.

let things show up how they show up.

stay in the belly

play the optics game

veneers make the world go round

people don't know what they're doing. actually that's too hard. they know a lot. they know how to survive in this mad crazy intense world as i have described, in family systems, evonomic and social systems and so on. they are smart but pressed and proded.

i don't know why its like this though. its like a collapse. its like people are choosing pain

i choose pleasure and when the world contradicts me its war.

the world wants to capture and corrupt trajectory, vision, awareness and coherence. one has to keep all those things. understand how the system works, how your nervous system works, how it is called by systems and dumped on by others- that is dumping on a prince. that is royalty shovelling shit or having shit thrown on him.

i don't know why it is this way. i don't think it has to be. something chose.

the system wants to take one off square one, off the track where one could meet and love a beautiful woman. it wants to keep one from the line.

the key to progress is recapture
 

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inputs are what fucked me and fuck me still. inputs do several things. those that get inside the head rewire the mind and those that don't distract (DDOS) and can still aggravate

Nobody gave me good inputs. ive been battling bad inputs my entire life, noisy distractions from my own father and culture noise from the neighbor in this multifamily who's like an ogre stomping around. He's actually a good guy has a good girlfriend living there but he stops and slams the door but I'm not supposed to be living in a fucking multifamily and I'm supposed to have buffers between my real estate at some point soon and I'm supposed to get the fuck out of Midwest and I blocked my father not that I talked that much to him these days anyways. The common theme is inputs and they've all been bad and I've always been strong-minded and that's how I could carry on so long but that's how they used me. I've hardly dumped any shitty inputs on anyone else my whole life because it's not my place I've tried to take bad and return good but it's all fucking inputs coming at me nonstop and just bad ones when you expect good. it's classless it's stupid. imagine Tony soprano grown up in the Midwest and some Norwegian family but he has his same spirit.

yesterday I was dancing. actually I was sitting for the first 20 minutes just watching just decompress not in the mood. I'm won't do anything half measure fake. this nice enough girl asked me to dance. she had an authentic smile and a presence that wasn't fake or plastic so I said I like your smile and we finished the dance And afterwards you said to me I have to talk to you about something I'm on the safety committee and you can't comment on people's body like that. I guess the smile is a part of the body. when she was telling me that she wasn't looking me in the eyes she was looking off to the side and I was looking right at her face the whole time trying to understand her expressions. she said that she wasn't offended but somebody could be.

exactly somebody could be fucking butt hurt. she said that as a woman she's off and told to smile but I wasn't telling her to fucking smile. I told her and we were having a nice conversation actually but I was being authentic I took gender out of it I said yeah people are told to be stoic or to just grind or to be positive and optimistic

it's like this asshole guy at the tea shop the other day. He's standing in front of the register and I'm off to the side waiting for my drink or something and I see he's holding a small dog and he's not looking at the dog the dog's looking at me so I bring my hand up to the dog this little white furry thing to smell my hand because that's what dogs like to do and the guy snaps at me the dog is cool but the guy snaps at me you need to ask. he started lecturing me like it's his right What the fuck is wrong with people? I wasn't fucking petting the dog I was fucking grieving the dog you know in it's own language. I'm good with animals Jesus Christ I wasn't telling anyone to smile

There's a lot of other inputs with the real estate stuff but I can understand those those are business.

she wanted to make it about gender when I thought nothing was about gender anymore I thought we transcend gender.

she's trying to install a global governor, a third person watching a new rule set a new God even though we're not religious not because she's offended but because somebody could be because as a woman she's been told to smile

It seems like it's not about that it seems like it's about you can't be polar, you can't have life

this other lady asked me to dance and I did- this big lady but I'm about 2/3 sure she's trans but I can't be 100% sure. she's just so big and she smiles so much and she did these feminine twirls that seem like over the top just slightly.

The guys dancing there- I know you're supposed to read the room and fit in but the guys that dance there seems so self-restrained but like they've been self-restrained for decades like it's part of their blood now. they're not lions. demure. They seem like they all have very low testosterone it's like what the fuck is wrong I don't care if people have low testosterone I'll be the one with high testosterone let me be that person or with normal testosterone I have good manners I'm present What the fuck is wrong this plus the noise plus the compliance burden plus the bad advice growing up about what to study Plus other things it just erodes or overloads my confidence My confidence is always trying to emerge it's never tapped out but it's always blocked from truly emerging What the fuck. it's not me it's not even about the way I think or mindset it's about the fact that all these fucking inputs keep happening and have happened it's like they see I'm strong and maybe neurodivergent and it's like they want to suppress it's like they have an instinct of drive to suppress or use so lately my thing this has been a gradual change is for me to claim, extract, reward, sit on the throne you know if I can get one. at the dance me and two other guys approach this woman at the same time from different angles for the very last dance It was kind of funny and people were kind of hesitating who's going to dance and I just walked up and just took her. That's how I got to be at life you know fuck. I'm not a pussy I'm not weak but there really is so much friction but its not as if there's a ripe harvest either. first you got to find someone worth dating yeah I'm going to try to leave here but my work is underway. I'm doing what i can. it's in process but it's all about fucking inputs my whole life they've given me shit inputs I guess what Napoleon Hill calls auto suggestion but I've always had a strong frame

also there's something to be said for if you get a taste of something you're going to continue to pursue your whole life so I think this system doesn't want to let people have the taste of good things not in a way that makes people believe it's attainable but I've tasted things and I wasn't born to be a fucking prisoner or servant. even servants get their compensation. The difference between being a free man and a servant is if you get your due reward. That's all it takes

i think they really expect men to be low wage docile castrati here-- for free, or per coersion

It was interesting though because I went there in a bad mood - not a negative mood but a pessimistic lumpy mood but I still wanted to be there until I just sat down watching but I left and I left slowly yesterday which is what I should have done before many times that is I lingered like everyone else lingers. There's a power and lingering that I've been talking about that I never knew or understood. I did linger before years ago in different places but then I quit lingering to be all business like and efficient But I think lingering is where the magic happens as I lingered there were a few cute girls one in particular that I like that I kind of came there to see and we didn't hit it off yesterday but at the end I lingered and you know that's how people get comfortable with you because they have to get comfortable with you they're like animals and different animals even of the same species have different levels of fear or whatever and they are like scared by default squirrels so I just have to linger But anyway I did that and I just felt a lot better leaving there like something in my brain got social nourishment which is all I've ever really wanted and needed and whatever human deserves and needs - social nutrition. man you dont realize the degree to which men are supposed to do it alone. I've seen that university how women are so networked it's like there's a huge imbalance here. it's not about competition it's about mental health and what a person deserves as a human. We deserve social nutrition which is a word I just came up with but that's how it felt when I was leaving it felt good and I hardly even talked to anybody. it's amazing how it changed my mood but the cycle continues in my neighbor stomps and slams the door and puts me in a pissy mood again

it's all about inputs

It's ALL about INPUTS!!!!
 
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