Is success going to be a lot more difficult now?

[Sub-Zero]

After reading the new policy update, and reading how seduction is under fire and getting worse by the year. I usually hear about dudes making fun of when guys cold approach and puas who suck at approaching.

Many are against pickup, and after reading and watching videos against pickup it doesn’t help either.

It seems people are just against seduction and sleeping around with many Women. Men even talk down on it.

It makes me wonder how difficult is it now compared to a few years ago to succeed with seduction, and should it be worried about like that?

And another thing, is how these men are kissing up to women even more now with social media, these dudes are making women feel more entitled than ever before. They get all this attention from social media and dating apps.

Dudes are taking girls out to expensive places, giving them money, etc.

I’m thinking of how much I should have gone harder before and regretting it.

Hearing this makes me wonder if it’s possible to still get the same kind of success that one could get years ago.

 

[DarkKnight]

Sub it just means that competition is getting out of the way if those trends are true (I don't know what the actual meta game is right now, just focussing on my own style).

Ofcourse other men are going to talk down on seduction because they will never bother to learn, but they definitely feel the competition. Imagine not being able to talk to a girl and some other guy (us) walks up to her and starts sweet talking. It's quite a powerless position. Just last week I was hitting up a blonde and this tall blonde guy tried to amog me in a passing "authoritarian" way. His body and jaw were really stiff and tense though, he felt the same loss of power I described above so I just laughed him off and focussed on the girl, making him lose face more.

I wouldn't worry about this honestly, just try not to miscalibrate, when you get public heavy ressistance, pull back. Also people are pretty powerless when the girl is into you. Just hold to your frame and do not break circle.

Don't worry about the meta game, having sex with girls won't be banned soon.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Sub it just means that competition is getting out of the way if those trends are true (I don't know what the actual meta game is right now, just focussing on my own style).

Ofcourse other men are going to talk down on seduction because they will never bother to learn, but they definitely feel the competition. Imagine not being able to talk to a girl and some other guy (us) walks up to her and starts sweet talking. It's quite a powerless position. Just last week I was hitting up a blonde and this tall blonde guy tried to amog me in a passing "authoritarian" way. His body and jaw were really stiff and tense though, he felt the same loss of power I described above so I just laughed him off and focussed on the girl, making him lose face more.

I wouldn't worry about this honestly, just try not to miscalibrate, when you get public heavy ressistance, pull back. Also people are pretty powerless when the girl is into you. Just hold to your frame and do not break circle.

Don't worry about the meta game, having sex with girls won't be banned soon.

I also forgot to mention about how all of these dudes are giving these women validation even more now as well, messing the game up by making these girls more entitled.

 

[DarkKnight]

Not all attention is the same, but with online game this ofcourse definitely is a big factor. I avoid online game because of this very fact, it is shit for your confidence.

Even girls who are interested offline can become stuck up on the internet, you suddenly become a number, whrn they see you live again this shifts immediately. At least this is my incredibly subjective perspective.

I hookwd up with girls via internet when I was in my early 20's (long time ago), but now I find that medium to be shit .

 

[Skills]

Do you see any of the advance guys, worrying about such none sense.... This forum is different than the other seduction forums in which i never seen so much cope going on, at least in the other ones were usually guys coming out of break ups or a really bad life situation or something... here is artificially copying for none fictional bs.... I went out this weekend as always do and did not encounter such none sense...

 

[Sub-Zero]

Do you see any of the advance guys, worrying about such none sense.... This forum is different than the other seduction forums in which i never seen so much cope going on, at least in the other ones were usually guys coming out of break ups or a really bad life situation or something... here is artificially copying for none fictional bs.... I went out this weekend as always do and did not encounter such none sense...

I said what I read from the policy update, so it’s not nonfiction. I didn’t just make up some scenario in my head, it’s from what I read, what I heard others say, and have seen.

If you don’t like threads it’s cool, you don’t have to read them.

 

[Skills]

I said what I read from the policy update, so it’s not nonfiction. I didn’t just make up some scenario in my head, it’s from what I read, what I heard others say, and have seen.

If you don’t like threads it’s cool, you don’t have to read them.

look man you remember Julian blank scandal, he was blasted on the news all over the world "the most hated man in the world", when he went out doing pua you know how many women recognized him at the point of the scandal..... none....

your buggy man, is not of concern to you, do you have a youtube channel with pua content? or a public forum/blog with pua content? or infiel with pua content? if the answer is no, you have nothing to worry about and you are just copying.....

 

[Velasco]

it’s from what I read, what I heard others say, and have seen.

from what you've read and heard others say on the internet

You have NOT seen or heard other dudes making fun of guys who express interest in cold approach, PUA, want to sleep around with a ton of women blah blah blah at your local coffee shop, supermarket, mall.

And another thing, is how these men are kissing up to women even more now with social media, these dudes are making women feel more entitled than ever before. They get all this attention from social media and dating apps.

so?

Dudes are taking girls out to expensive places, giving them money, etc.

not a new phenomenon my guy lol...

 

[Tony D]

After reading the new policy update, and reading how seduction is under fire and getting worse by the year. I usually hear about dudes making fun of when guys cold approach and puas who suck at approaching.

Many are against pickup, and after reading and watching videos against pickup it doesn’t help either.

It seems people are just against seduction and sleeping around with many Women. Men even talk down on it.

It makes me wonder how difficult is it now compared to a few years ago to succeed with seduction, and should it be worried about like that?

And another thing, is how these men are kissing up to women even more now with social media, these dudes are making women feel more entitled than ever before. They get all this attention from social media and dating apps.

Dudes are taking girls out to expensive places, giving them money, etc.

I’m thinking of how much I should have gone harder before and regretting it.

Hearing this makes me wonder if it’s possible to still get the same kind of success that one could get years ago.

It hasn't changed one bit, and never will.

 

[Mike Silvertree]

PUAs have always been hated. In my Dad's time, which was the 1930s-40s, we were called Floor Flushers, and all the AFCs hated them because they went about hitting on chicks and getting laid, rather than deciding one chick was their true love and then spending a huge amount of time, money, and effort talking her into letting him support her forever, no matter what. That is just a social construct that is good for society, but limits your options.

Don't worry about what people think of PUAs. PUAs are like spies or secret agents; if people know you are one, you are not doing it very well.

 

[naturalmikey]

nothin is changing for guys who are advanced, whatever that means. who is really hurt is new guys. i think when rsd started taking down there free content is when game became much less accessible. i got really good off of their free content. i think most people over complicate this stuff and it’s actually quite easy if you’re good looking and normal enough and damn near impossible (although not impossible) if you’re not.

there is still a lot of content available for free. this site is a great example of that. but how do people learn about game. there’s no best seller, no tv show, no julien bland. the only thing bringing attention to game is some feminists in the uk. and no one is really paying attention. game is basically underground again. maybe that’s the best place for it though. the masses had access to game and a bunch of weirdos that didn’t want to work on fundamentals creeped girls out.

at least a lot of innovations were made and a lot of stuff was figured out. i just hope game stays underground and doesn’t die. the pickup community is definitely the smallest it’s been in a very long time.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Nothing will change, really. Only 0.0001% of men will encounter something because of the natural climate, and either he has some shit awful karma from a past life or he did something really stupid.

There's nothing to worry about and only keeping this minimally in mind (like if a girl starts to act crazy and you need to manage risk; never want to be unprepared), you will do better to (almost) completely forget about this nonsense.

The only guys who are more likely to encounter this normally is guys like me....who post all their advice on a public format like YouTube with my face xD

But fuck 'em.

Keep pimpin' without fear and you shall be gucci.

Papi

 

[naturalmikey]

it's the easiest it's ever been. women don't need guys they like's money. they're getting plenty from guys they don't like. and girls are super easy now. i don't know if it's an la ultra liberal thing. but girls are the freest i've seen. i'll be in austin next week and i'll see how it is there. last time i was there was christmas 2016 and i fucked four girls and got a blow job in a pickup truck (fucking texas). this was in a week. i just don't see how shit is difficult. i think people just make excuses.

also if you're really 6'2 jacked and handsome like you claim, you may be too nice. if you look like a douche, act like a douche. women love douchey men. don't let the social narrative of what women want get in your head. that social narrative is created by unattractive women

 

[Franco]

It seems people are just against seduction and sleeping around with many Women. Men even talk down on it.

It makes me wonder how difficult is it now compared to a few years ago to succeed with seduction, and should it be worried about like that?

Pick-up itself is arguably easier with how thirsty men are becoming and how many men are using online dating as a crutch.

The only thing that has actually become more difficult is talking openly about women and seduction on the internet, hence this being one of the last legit forums on the internet for doing so.

So let's make sure we keep this place clean and professional so that we have a reason to make this place the "holy grail sanctuary" for learning to seduce, charm, and make the sad, lonely women of this world very happy.

Cheers,

Franco

 

[Sub-Zero]

it's the easiest it's ever been. women don't need guys they like's money. they're getting plenty from guys they don't like. and girls are super easy now. i don't know if it's an la ultra liberal thing. but girls are the freest i've seen. i'll be in austin next week and i'll see how it is there. last time i was there was christmas 2016 and i fucked four girls and got a blow job in a pickup truck (fucking texas). this was in a week. i just don't see how shit is difficult. i think people just make excuses.

also if you're really 6'2 jacked and handsome like you claim, you may be too nice. if you look like a douche, act like a douche. women love douchey men. don't let the social narrative of what women want get in your head. that social narrative is created by unattractive women

Lmao I’m getting jacked, I got some fat to lose. I have an athletic muscular build, but gotta lose some fat.

I mean how it seems perplexing to you how it’s not as easy for me from what I’ve described myself to you, I feel the same way.

Not in a cocky way, but if a chick is telling you all the things she likes, but then plays games, you scratch your head.

What I’m telling you is what they tell me lol, I mean I do think highly of myself and looks, but I’m getting told this as well.

Maybe I am too nice, but to me I don’t feel like I am. I think it comes down to me not being direct enough, but then I heard being too direct isn’t good.

I don’t try to take them to dinners, I don’t text all day or talk on the phone about nothing. I try to move quick, etc.

These girls also don’t try me by asking me to take them out, spend money, etc.

I don’t come off like that type of dude.

What else could I do to come off more like an asshole?

I’m going to just focus more on approaching a lot more and going out a lot more, and pushing ego to the side.

Im not used to treating things like a numbers game, but I see that’s how it is with everything, including going out.

Gotta go out a lot, gotta approach a lot.

So imma work more on volume.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Pick-up itself is arguably easier with how thirsty men are becoming and how many men are using online dating as a crutch.

The only thing that has actually become more difficult is talking openly about women and seduction on the internet, hence this being one of the last legit forums on the internet for doing so.

So let's make sure we keep this place clean and professional so that we have a reason to make this place the "holy grail sanctuary" for learning to seduce, charm, and make the sad, lonely women of this world very happy.

Cheers,

Franco

I wanna use online dating too and just started lmao. I was focused on real game, but it cost money and time.

Online is so easy because you can do it anywhere.

But it’s not even that, I want to use all areas of game and get good at them all.

So I see that it means talking about seduction is getting harder, not seduction itself.

The way I read it was like saying that with how seduction being under fire, it is going to make chicks be harder to get because of the media influence, then add the fact that the thirsty guys are giving women anything they want, while you’re just trying to fuck and have a connection seemed like it was harder. Like if a chick has two options to go out with a dude that ask for drinks and one dude ask her out to an expensive restaurant, she’ll pick the restaurant to get a nice free meal.

Guess it’s not like that though.

But I’ll look at this as something good and keep working.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Nothing will change, really. Only 0.0001% of men will encounter something because of the natural climate, and either he has some shit awful karma from a past life or he did something really stupid.

There's nothing to worry about and only keeping this minimally in mind (like if a girl starts to act crazy and you need to manage risk; never want to be unprepared), you will do better to (almost) completely forget about this nonsense.

The only guys who are more likely to encounter this normally is guys like me....who post all their advice on a public format like YouTube with my face xD

But fuck 'em.

Keep pimpin' without fear and you shall be gucci.

Papi

Appreciate it man.

Quick question; what should an older dude that looks young do, to smash a lot of chicks in college without joining a frat or anything?

 

[naturalmikey]

@Sub-Zero what i do is i don't try anything but act like i'm going to. i make deep eye contact move in close like i'm gonna kiss but don't. then i back off. and i repeat. i qualify a good bit as rewards and not on looks. and i don't waste my time with girls who are bullshitting, which is most girls. the more interest the girl shows the more interest i will show. but i try to always be showing less interest than her past hook point. i don't do day game, because numbers are bullshit. i do night game and tinder. i also use a shit load of lines. i don't use long stories to try to hypnotize them, although i will use a couple short rehearsed cold reads and shit. oh and i use role plays. i talk about us going on vacation or getting or married or her a fucking disney princess. that's basically my game.

oh and get fucking jacked. looks is literally fucking 80% of it. i don't care what any puas tell you. 20% is within your control which is enough to make or break you. 20% can take a guy who is a 7 to a 5.5 or to an 8.5. that's game.

and it's not so much being an asshole. it's being indifferent and just not caring. it's part of having an abundance mentality. like you just know how replaceable she is and she feels it.