Calls & Texts Is There Something I Just Don't Get?

[Dark_Stallion]

Hey guys, have an important question overall, but the reason I labelled it under "calls and texts" is because this is a MAJOR sticking point for me right now.

Usually, via daygame or nightgame, and the occasional online match, I will have good interactions with girls(them smiling, laughing, showing other signs of attraction), very easy to get their number provided I don't ask them while they're too stimulated. Girls clearly love being around me and in my presence, and I am getting better at flirting and teasing overall. I think a big reason why this has helped was developing a specific few female friends who when I first met them was more nice and polite, but later turned into a more teasing asshole(never went for any of them romantically for plenty of reasons - tbh this is paying dividends for me).

After getting a girls number however, barely any of them respond to my texts the next day, or if they do text, they tend to drop off soon enough even though I am initiating plans to hangout, and finding their schedules. Even girls who are very unresponsive during text act warm and flirty the next time I see them in person, as suddenly just seeing me in person ignites some kind of spark, leading them to want to hang out with me again.

Have also tried calling a few girls as a way to doggedly follow up with them, one of them responded via call only to never answer any call or text again.

I'll post a recent thread(only the Imessage portion) of a girl who's number I got online, and was at one point down to come straight over to try tequila.

Me: Hi this is DarkStallion
How's ur night going?

(Next morning)

Her: Hii my night was actually really good
How was yours??

Me: Same here
Btw got some nice prosecco if u wanna try later today
Or another day if you can't today

(Later that day)

What's your schedule looking like for today?(tbh mistake on my part but I was pretty horny)

(3 days later)

Called her a couple of times, first one got sent straight to voicemail, second one rang a bit before going to voicemail

The calls were earlier today, she didn't respond back or anything.

Is there something I just don't get about why girls are very unresponsive via text and calls? Is the problem that I can't seem to make a deeper connection with these girls, causing them to write me off as not very trustworthy? Have no problems getting girls to talk with me, and show me initial signs of compliance? Have brought back 2 girls to my place at the same time, only for them to declare they had class the next day and leave after 15 minutes, right when we started talking about sex topics(they weren't uncomfortable by this, and hung around me all night), almost brought home another 2 girls with the prosecco comment, and a separate girl was almost ready to come, but she had to take care of her roommate. Btw this is all within the last 2 weeks.

If anyone could shed light on the situation, it would be much appreciated because I know there's something I'm missing with this problem. Trying to keep faith and keep it moving along.

 

[Will_V]

Hey guys, have an important question overall, but the reason I labelled it under "calls and texts" is because this is a MAJOR sticking point for me right now.

Usually, via daygame or nightgame, and the occasional online match, I will have good interactions with girls(them smiling, laughing, showing other signs of attraction), very easy to get their number provided I don't ask them while they're too stimulated. Girls clearly love being around me and in my presence, and I am getting better at flirting and teasing overall. I think a big reason why this has helped was developing a specific few female friends who when I first met them was more nice and polite, but later turned into a more teasing asshole(never went for any of them romantically for plenty of reasons - tbh this is paying dividends for me).

After getting a girls number however, barely any of them respond to my texts the next day, or if they do text, they tend to drop off soon enough even though I am initiating plans to hangout, and finding their schedules. Even girls who are very unresponsive during text act warm and flirty the next time I see them in person, as suddenly just seeing me in person ignites some kind of spark, leading them to want to hang out with me again.

Have also tried calling a few girls as a way to doggedly follow up with them, one of them responded via call only to never answer any call or text again.

I'll post a recent thread(only the Imessage portion) of a girl who's number I got online, and was at one point down to come straight over to try tequila.

Me: Hi this is DarkStallion
How's ur night going?

(Next morning)

Her: Hii my night was actually really good
How was yours??

Me: Same here
Btw got some nice prosecco if u wanna try later today
Or another day if you can't today

(Later that day)

What's your schedule looking like for today?(tbh mistake on my part but I was pretty horny)

(3 days later)

Called her a couple of times, first one got sent straight to voicemail, second one rang a bit before going to voicemail

The calls were earlier today, she didn't respond back or anything.

Is there something I just don't get about why girls are very unresponsive via text and calls? Is the problem that I can't seem to make a deeper connection with these girls, causing them to write me off as not very trustworthy? Have no problems getting girls to talk with me, and show me initial signs of compliance? Have brought back 2 girls to my place at the same time, only for them to declare they had class the next day and leave after 15 minutes, right when we started talking about sex topics(they weren't uncomfortable by this, and hung around me all night), almost brought home another 2 girls with the prosecco comment, and a separate girl was almost ready to come, but she had to take care of her roommate. Btw this is all within the last 2 weeks.

If anyone could shed light on the situation, it would be much appreciated because I know there's something I'm missing with this problem. Trying to keep faith and keep it moving along.

Hey @Dark_Stallion, it's normal to get good fast at the first steps and then hit an obstacle that takes a little while to get over.

First of all that's a bit of a hard close you did there on text, inviting her straight over as soon as the greeting is out the way. Could probably banter a little, use some callback humor, etc first.

The main reason in my experience why girls ghost on the phone is when you don't show unique interest in her during the approach (besides obviously she's hot and you want to bang) so she gets cold feet when the excitement of the face to face is over. I.e. you didn't qualify her.

As to why the girls came over and then left when you tried to escalate, could be lots of things:

- Maybe your demeanor changes when it's time for sex
- Maybe you suddenly don't seem as confident when going for sex or talking about it
- Maybe you aren't escalating properly - e.g. too fast or not being attentive to her frame of mind
- etc

it'd be best to write a field report if you want better info.

One thing that I sense may be happening is that while you have started becoming more comfortable being the fun teasing asshole, you still haven't shaken off the insecurity around actual sex and escalation, and this can leave girls feeling a bit unsure and in two minds about you.

If that's the case first of all just accept that it takes time to change, and secondly try and enjoy the whole experience and make it fun every step of the way no matter how far you get, and eventually it'll happen.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Hey @Dark_Stallion, it's normal to get good fast at the first steps and then hit an obstacle that takes a little while to get over.

First of all that's a bit of a hard close you did there on text, inviting her straight over as soon as the greeting is out the way. Could probably banter a little, use some callback humor, etc first.

Hmm yes while I see that was a hard close, I have mentioned her coming over to try tequila, which she agreed to(this was winter break, so could not text for the schedule here).

The main reason in my experience why girls ghost on the phone is when you don't show unique interest in her during the approach (besides obviously she's hot and you want to bang) so she gets cold feet when the excitement of the face to face is over. I.e. you didn't qualify her.

Yeah, time to focus more on qualifying girls, not on superficial things but I am going to try to mini deep dive them on an initial approach, and try this with girls I want to re engage with.

As to why the girls came over and then left when you tried to escalate, could be lots of things:

- Maybe your demeanor changes when it's time for sex
- Maybe you suddenly don't seem as confident when going for sex or talking about it
- Maybe you aren't escalating properly - e.g. too fast or not being attentive to her frame of mind
- etc

Tbh my demeanor from what I understood was pretty much the same, it was that the two girls were there together, I offered both of them to sleep over if they didn't want to walk back in the cold(didn't say anything other than that).

it'd be best to write a field report if you want better info.

One thing that I sense may be happening is that while you have started becoming more comfortable being the fun teasing asshole, you still haven't shaken off the insecurity around actual sex and escalation, and this can leave girls feeling a bit unsure and in two minds about you.

If that's the case first of all just accept that it takes time to change, and secondly try and enjoy the whole experience and make it fun every step of the way no matter how far you get, and eventually it'll happen.

I am focusing on enjoying girls more as well, my in person interactions with girls seem to go very well, whether I am meeting a new girl or having fun with my female friends.

Another thing I was thinking about was the insecurity about sex and escalation, stemming back from my HS days, when I was not the best looking(>130 lbs), and when I tried to make a move to ask a girl at prom, suddenly it became a big deal to the entire friend group, who tried to shield my feelings in case she said no(she eventually ended up saying no, which tbh didn't hurt at all when she gave an honest reply). Also that entire friend group that made the big deal over me asking a girl to prom in a more casual way, I no longer hang out with, and have actively seeked out new friends that are more comfortable with sex, or me bringing it up.

Now, I have hit the gym for 3.5 years, and have built an incredibly(imo at least) physique, and have started taking better care of myself overall, receive looks of attraction from girls all the time. However, part of me subconsciously may be thinking more like my HS days, which might be cancerous for my growth.

@Will_V if you faced a similar problem to mine, how long did it take you to get over that bump?

 

[Will_V]

Hmm yes while I see that was a hard close, I have mentioned her coming over to try tequila, which she agreed to(this was winter break, so could not text for the schedule here).

Why didn't she come over for the tequila?

If you do something and it doesn't work, it doesn't mean that things have reached that point and you can just go from there again.

Yeah, time to focus more on qualifying girls, not on superficial things but I am going to try to mini deep dive them on an initial approach, and try this with girls I want to re engage with.

Yes, this is a good idea!

Tbh my demeanor from what I understood was pretty much the same, it was that the two girls were there together, I offered both of them to sleep over if they didn't want to walk back in the cold(didn't say anything other than that).

Oh, ok that's gonna be way more tricky to pull off, it's hard to escalate on two girls at the same time! For example one can easily feel like you don't like her as much and starts bailing, and the other follows.

I am focusing on enjoying girls more as well, my in person interactions with girls seem to go very well, whether I am meeting a new girl or having fun with my female friends.

Good stuff.

Another thing I was thinking about was the insecurity about sex and escalation, stemming back from my HS days, when I was not the best looking(>130 lbs), and when I tried to make a move to ask a girl at prom, suddenly it became a big deal to the entire friend group, who tried to shield my feelings in case she said no(she eventually ended up saying no, which tbh didn't hurt at all when she gave an honest reply). Also that entire friend group that made the big deal over me asking a girl to prom in a more casual way, I no longer hang out with, and have actively seeked out new friends that are more comfortable with sex, or me bringing it up.

Yeah it takes time to change. I was socially anxious as a teen and it took years to really start living a different way. You just gotta accept the journey and know that one day you'll be where you want to be.

Now, I have hit the gym for 3.5 years, and have built an incredibly(imo at least) physique, and have started taking better care of myself overall, receive looks of attraction from girls all the time. However, part of me subconsciously may be thinking more like my HS days, which might be cancerous for my growth.

Well done on the physique, well the most important thing is to keep trying, succeeding a bit, failing a bit, learning, moving forward bit by bit and not getting frustrated.

Again if you wrote reports I think you'd get better info from guys here.

@Will_V if you faced a similar problem to mine, how long did it take you to get over that bump?

I don't know if I could say I had a plateau, in the beginning when I had the social anxiety everything was just chaos and I was just swimming around in it picking up bits of information here and there, and succeeding every now and then by sheer tenacity.

If I ever had a plateau it would probably have been learning how to escalate on dates and invite her home, I always did well once she was home with me, but I'd trip up with all the slow stuff in the middle.

The main thing is to read all the articles you can find around your sticking point and try to understand what's going on, what part of what you're doing isn't having the intended effect, and then come up with a plan of how to change it so that it does.

 

[Skills]

Hey guys, have an important question overall, but the reason I labelled it under "calls and texts" is because this is a MAJOR sticking point for me right now.

i Just responded to another post similar to this one...

Usually, via daygame or nightgame, and the occasional online match, I will have good interactions with girls(them smiling, laughing, showing other signs of attraction), very easy to get their number provided I don't ask them while they're too stimulated. Girls clearly love being around me and in my presence, and I am getting better at flirting and teasing overall. I think a big reason why this has helped was developing a specific few female friends who when I first met them was more nice and polite, but later turned into a more teasing asshole(never went for any of them romantically for plenty of reasons - tbh this is paying dividends for me).

so you are having strong interactions that is good...

After getting a girls number however, barely any of them respond to my texts the next day, or if they do text, they tend to drop off soon enough even though I am initiating plans to hangout, and finding their schedules. Even girls who are very unresponsive during text act warm and flirty the next time I see them in person, as suddenly just seeing me in person ignites some kind of spark, leading them to want to hang out with me again.

^ because guys don't understand that sometimes how you come across in person can get lost in text, which is why i am strong believer in good structure..

Have also tried calling a few girls as a way to doggedly follow up with them, one of them responded via call only to never answer any call or text again.

^ don't do this they see it as desperate...(again my take is different from other guys that advice calling).. As you can see this does not work comes across desperate.

I'll post a recent thread(only the Imessage portion) of a girl who's number I got online, and was at one point down to come straight over to try tequila.

Try to give your number online.. Field test my structure...

Me: Hi this is DarkStallion
How's ur night going?

^ is not that is bad is just normie... but not horrible

(Next morning)

Her: Hii my night was actually really good
How was yours??

she responded and it seem you just wanted a response and you really did not give a fuck, just as an excuse to go for a hard close

Me: Same here
Btw got some nice prosecco if u wanna try later today
Or another day if you can't today

^ hard close out of open

(Later that day)

What's your schedule looking like for today?(tbh mistake on my part but I was pretty horny)

open with another hard close

(3 days later)

Called her a couple of times, first one got sent straight to voicemail, second one rang a bit before going to voicemail

The calls were earlier today, she didn't respond back or anything.

Is there something I just don't get about why girls are very unresponsive via text and calls? Is the problem that I can't seem to make a deeper connection with these girls, causing them to write me off as not very trustworthy? Have no problems getting girls to talk with me, and show me initial signs of compliance? Have brought back 2 girls to my place at the same time, only for them to declare they had class the next day and leave after 15 minutes, right when we started talking about sex topics(they weren't uncomfortable by this, and hung around me all night), almost brought home another 2 girls with the prosecco comment, and a separate girl was almost ready to come, but she had to take care of her roommate. Btw this is all within the last 2 weeks.

If anyone could shed light on the situation, it would be much appreciated because I know there's something I'm missing with this problem. Trying to keep faith and keep it moving along.

^ your in person interactions good, when you go to text you transform into a loser....

darkstallion i already explain in many post the different mistakes, i would take time to learn and try to field test.... your texting will cause women to flake as you can SEE FOR YOURSELF, i seen this for 15 years 4 different forum, same style of texting over and over and over, same exact results...

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[Dark_Stallion]

Why didn't she come over for the tequila?

If you do something and it doesn't work, it doesn't mean that things have reached that point and you can just go from there again.

Well, it was winter break(we're both in college) nowhere near each other, logistics were impossible at the time, trying to plan it for next semester(aka right now).

Yes, this is a good idea!

Thanks, I do struggle making connections, even at the bar I quickly run out of things to say, not saying I have to do a huge deep dive, but a couple topics she hooks onto and wants to talk about should only help.

Oh, ok that's gonna be way more tricky to pull off, it's hard to escalate on two girls at the same time! For example one can easily feel like you don't like her as much and starts bailing, and the other follows.

Yeah, it felt like if I had one of the girls separately(either one) would have been way easier, they both seemed interested, just varying levels of interest and hotness(less attractive one was throwing more overt interest, aka twerking on me, and buying me drinks).

Yeah it takes time to change. I was socially anxious as a teen and it took years to really start living a different way. You just gotta accept the journey and know that one day you'll be where you want to be.

Hmm, I think I conquered social anxiety, don't have much fear cold approaching women or talking to strangers, I guess deep connection building is where I struggle.

Well done on the physique, well the most important thing is to keep trying, succeeding a bit, failing a bit, learning, moving forward bit by bit and not getting frustrated.

Again if you wrote reports I think you'd get better info from guys here.

Thanks for the physique compliment, have written a few reports, will try to do more soon, also it's very cold right now, impossible to meet girls outside, leading to less reports on my end. Few nightgame reports recently but tbh the interactions are somewhat similar enough I don't feel the need to write one for every interaction unless something interesting happens.

I don't know if I could say I had a plateau, in the beginning when I had the social anxiety everything was just chaos and I was just swimming around in it picking up bits of information here and there, and succeeding every now and then by sheer tenacity.

If I ever had a plateau it would probably have been learning how to escalate on dates and invite her home, I always did well once she was home with me, but I'd trip up with all the slow stuff in the middle.

The main thing is to read all the articles you can find around your sticking point and try to understand what's going on, what part of what you're doing isn't having the intended effect, and then come up with a plan of how to change it so that it does.

Yup, going to take this advice to heart, I think my sticking points are building connections and escalation, I can flirt with girls, and talk to them at will, so much it seems to everyone else that I am swimming in pussy.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

^ don't do this they see it as desperate...(again my take is different from other guys that advice calling).. As you can see this does not work comes across desperate.

Really, according to Chase a good phone call once in a while could actually cause her to re-engage, what is your perspective on why it is seen as desperate?

Try to give your number online.. Field test my structure...

Will do on the next match

she responded and it seem you just wanted a response and you really did not give a fuck, just as an excuse to go for a hard close

Yeah, tbh I was feeling extremely horny and impatient, hence the hard close, also got a soft close with her agreeing to come for tequila earlier, just no logistics at the time to make it possible

^ your in person interactions good, when you go to text you transform into a loser....

darkstallion i already explain in many post the different mistakes, i would take time to learn and try to field test.... your texting will cause women to flake as you can SEE FOR YOURSELF, i seen this for 15 years 4 different forum, same style of texting over and over and over, same exact results...

Yeah, admittedly my text game is pretty weak imo, tbh I don't enjoy texting or calling girls, or anyone tbh, would much rather have those in person interactions.

Still curious as to why you're against calling girls?(If she hasn't responded to texts)

 

[Will_V]

but a couple topics she hooks onto and wants to talk about should only help.

Deep diving is not just about finding stuff she wants to talk about. It's about her revealing herself to you - what sort of girl she is, beyond what most people know about her - and this deeper layer of her being acknowledged and appreciated by you.

It makes her feel close to you and invested in you. And it is simultaneously a form of connection building and qualifying, which makes it very powerful.

Read this article:

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[Dark_Stallion]

Deep diving is not just about finding stuff she wants to talk about. It's about her revealing herself to you - what sort of girl she is, beyond what most people know about her - and this deeper layer of her being acknowledged and appreciated by you.

It makes her feel close to you and invested in you. And it is simultaneously a form of connection building and qualifying, which makes it very powerful.

Okay, how would I be able to use this in night game, if at all specifically for a bar that is more social circle focused(say I talk to a friend of a friend, or a cute girl I happen to see somewhat)?

For context, the bar specifically is social circle, kind of loud but it’s mainly a bar where everyone talks to each other rather than dances, grinds on each other and makes out(among other stuff).

Not an ideal nightgame venue, but gotta work with what I have for 3 more months.

On a positive note, I will share that I went to a rooftop lounge(club party chic vibes with foreigners) didn’t stay there long and talked to a couple of Italian girls, who at first were resistant to talking to me, and giving me one word answers, but I persisted and stayed, asked the whys and motivations of what they did, and their opinions, by the end they were giving me good meaty answers and laughing at my responses. Going to try to replicate that.

I think part of my fear, which I don’t have in other nightgame venues, is being seen as the guy who is trying too hard with every girl, however I am just going to have to undergo an identity shift to a guy that connects very well with women, rather than just a guy who is seen often and a nice flirt.

 

[Will_V]

Okay, how would I be able to use this in night game, if at all specifically for a bar that is more social circle focused(say I talk to a friend of a friend, or a cute girl I happen to see somewhat)?

For context, the bar specifically is social circle, kind of loud but it’s mainly a bar where everyone talks to each other rather than dances, grinds on each other and makes out(among other stuff).

I don't understand - if the bar is more of a social gathering it's even better for deep diving. The worst place to try and deep dive is those clubs where the music is pounding, neither of you can hear anything, and her stimulation is very high.

On a positive note, I will share that I went to a rooftop lounge(club party chic vibes with foreigners) didn’t stay there long and talked to a couple of Italian girls, who at first were resistant to talking to me, and giving me one word answers, but I persisted and stayed, asked the whys and motivations of what they did, and their opinions, by the end they were giving me good meaty answers and laughing at my responses. Going to try to replicate that.

Yeah that's the direction you want to go.

I think part of my fear, which I don’t have in other nightgame venues, is being seen as the guy who is trying too hard with every girl, however I am just going to have to undergo an identity shift to a guy that connects very well with women, rather than just a guy who is seen often and a nice flirt.

Depending on the type of bar it can be hard to approach lots of girls without sticking out like a sore thumb. You definitely want to read the atmosphere and move around in a way that is congruent with how everyone else is behaving.

 

[Dark_Stallion]

I don't understand - if the bar is more of a social gathering it's even better for deep diving. The worst place to try and deep dive is those clubs where the music is pounding, neither of you can hear anything, and her stimulation is very high.

Yeah fair enough, I think it was just my fear of being labelled as a guy who flirts with everyone he sees, coming off needy, however, I went out yesterday and was able to hold longer conversations with girls, even asked out a bartender after building comfort and teasing with her(bar was relatively empty, she wasn't doing anything else at that point), and did that with a couple of other girls I met out. Didn't get laid last night but got invited to future parties primarily featuring women, so I'm going in the right direction.

Yeah that's the direction you want to go.

Yeah, also a huge breakthrough in building comfort, hung out with a few female friends yesterday, before going out, spent some time just hanging out with them, getting to know them on a deeper level, finding out their motivations in life, goals in life, hobbies, quirks, etc. that I never really did before. Also shared deeper stuff about me, realized I never really did that with any of my female friends from before, tbh I feel a lot closer to them now, and they 100% feel the same way towards me. I think this is a huge breakthrough in building a connection, and I'm going to try to do that with girls in the future(after riffing off teases and making her laugh obviously).

Depending on the type of bar it can be hard to approach lots of girls without sticking out like a sore thumb. You definitely want to read the atmosphere and move around in a way that is congruent with how everyone else is behaving.

Yeah, yesterday I mainly sticked to approaching girls that were right next to me, that I could easily talk to indirectly, or went up to girls I already knew from before, tbh yesterday wasn't the greatest.

However I feel more confident that I can build a connection with girls that gets them to invest in me, Ik im a fairly good looking attractive guy who is well spoken, girls would not be warm to me otherwise at all, or show me off to their friends(they love doing that tbh).

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Also @Skills followed up with a couple girls, one was the online girl, one was a girl I had a hangout date with in my apartment lounge, but she had to leave, still some interest from her part, but it's been tough bringing her back.

Sent this message to both girls(one word changed): Hey just tasted the greatest tequila/cookie rn had to tell you abt it

Didn't say anything further

One of the girls(the one I had the date with) responsed: AWWWW, AJAJA, and hearted my message

I responded "someone's craving a cookie right now"

Trying to hard close less and build up a bit of banter before a close, I realized I feel way too needy over text, which doesn't happen as much as in person, maybe I feel that in person, I have more control of the interaction, while over text I don't have much control over what happens, causing me to be needy

 

[Skills]

Also @Skills followed up with a couple girls, one was the online girl, one was a girl I had a hangout date with in my apartment lounge, but she had to leave, still some interest from her part, but it's been tough bringing her back.

Sent this message to both girls(one word changed): Hey just tasted the greatest tequila/cookie rn had to tell you abt it

Didn't say anything further

One of the girls(the one I had the date with) responsed: AWWWW, AJAJA, and hearted my message

I responded "someone's craving a cookie right now"

Trying to hard close less and build up a bit of banter before a close, I realized I feel way too needy over text, which doesn't happen as much as in person, maybe I feel that in person, I have more control of the interaction, while over text I don't have much control over what happens, causing me to be needy

The way i follow up is with minimal to no investment sub communication such as:

Morning sun emoji
Or
Hand wave emoji or

Eyes emoji

Or how is my favorite nyorker or nationality or city

All very low effort super low investment as i will edit and link posts ..

Yes the way follow up is try hard too much investment on your part...


@Dark_Stallion

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[Dark_Stallion]

The way i follow up is with minimal to no investment sub communication such as:

Morning sun emoji
Or
Hand wave emoji or

Eyes emoji

Or how is my favorite nyorker or nationality or city

All very low effort super low investment as i will edit and link posts ..

Yes the way follow up is try hard too much investment on your part...

Okay will try this next time, was following up based on Chase’s “following up doggedly article” will mimic this texting in the future and see how it goes

 

[Skills]

Okay will try this next time, was following up based on Chase’s “following up doggedly article” will mimic this texting in the future and see how it goes

don't mix styles try his stuff only, after try my stuff only, different styles..

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Okay wrote an FR not gonna go into detail here, still the same sticking point as before, all I will write here is the text “hey [hb] it’s DarkStallion aka the guy who studied abroad and is now a fake Italian hope ur classes aren’t too bad today”

It’s been around 6 hours and no response, I thought I had a great interaction if you want more details check out “A Game Of Connection Building”

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Hey guys, had one of my best interactions(can post an FR on this topic), made her laugh very hard in the beginning, kept talking about lots of topics, career & life plans, travel, etc, with me finding out a lot about her. Took her number when she asked me to do a sushi date, I said “hey we’ll see how much we like each other first, then maybe a sushi date” also told her I binged too much sushi recently(this is true), she agreed to meet up and said “we’ll text”

Sent her an icebreaker text saying “hey future sports agent, nice meeting you today, hope you could lift those 25s” both of those being callback humor to our convo, no response. Shot her a call a few days later, no response or text back.

Is there something really wrong with my text/phone game? This seemed to be one of my stronger interactions, with the girl enthusiastically wanting to continue the conversation, agreeing to meet up, when she would set some frames, I would strike it down with my frame and she would follow along.

I can also post an FR for more context if needed.

 

[POB]

Hey guys, had one of my best interactions(can post an FR on this topic), made her laugh very hard in the beginning, kept talking about lots of topics, career & life plans, travel, etc, with me finding out a lot about her. Took her number when she asked me to do a sushi date, I said “hey we’ll see how much we like each other first, then maybe a sushi date” also told her I binged too much sushi recently(this is true), she agreed to meet up and said “we’ll text”

It's really nice to seed the date during a strong point in the interaction, like you did...but it doesn't mean she will meet you.
A million things can happen between your first interaction and the actual texting and date.

But when SHE asked for a sushi date, just say yes!
Women asking to date you is a very strong commitment from her part, so you don't need to overcomplicate.
Just say sure and figure out logistics through texting.

Sent her an icebreaker text saying “hey future sports agent, nice meeting you today, hope you could lift those 25s” both of those being callback humor to our convo, no response. Shot her a call a few days later, no response or text back.

Other guys probably have said this, but if she didn't answer, you NEVER invest more than the bare minimum!!!
Calling her reeks of desperation!
Instead send a simple eye emoji and wait.

Is there something really wrong with my text/phone game? This seemed to be one of my stronger interactions, with the girl enthusiastically wanting to continue the conversation, agreeing to meet up, when she would set some frames, I would strike it down with my frame and she would follow along.

See above.
Also check Skills links. Everything you need is over there.

I can also post an FR for more context if needed.

Please do, it will help.

 

[Will_V]

Hey guys, had one of my best interactions(can post an FR on this topic), made her laugh very hard in the beginning, kept talking about lots of topics, career & life plans, travel, etc, with me finding out a lot about her. Took her number when she asked me to do a sushi date, I said “hey we’ll see how much we like each other first, then maybe a sushi date” also told her I binged too much sushi recently(this is true), she agreed to meet up and said “we’ll text”

Sent her an icebreaker text saying “hey future sports agent, nice meeting you today, hope you could lift those 25s” both of those being callback humor to our convo, no response. Shot her a call a few days later, no response or text back.

Is there something really wrong with my text/phone game? This seemed to be one of my stronger interactions, with the girl enthusiastically wanting to continue the conversation, agreeing to meet up, when she would set some frames, I would strike it down with my frame and she would follow along.

I can also post an FR for more context if needed.

Read this:

Overproviding Good Feelings

This is one of those things that, when I figured it out, kinda made me slap my forehead and go, “Duh.” But even still, it took me five years to figure it out. And I’m going to give it to you in one post. You’re welcome ;) I figured it out gradually as I realized a number of things: I did better...

www.girlschase.com

 

[Dark_Stallion]

It's really nice to seed the date during a strong point in the interaction, like you did...but it doesn't mean she will meet you.
A million things can happen between your first interaction and the actual texting and date.

Yeah fair enough this has been happening an unusual amount lately, where I have a good interaction with a girl, get the number/snap, text her, either she doesn't respond or it falls of after 1-2 messages.

But when SHE asked for a sushi date, just say yes!
Women asking to date you is a very strong commitment from her part, so you don't need to overcomplicate.
Just say sure and figure out logistics through texting.

I didn't say no, I just said not initially, wouldn't taking her out to sushi be seen as "provider material?"

Other guys probably have said this, but if she didn't answer, you NEVER invest more than the bare minimum!!!
Calling her reeks of desperation!
Instead send a simple eye emoji and wait.

Next time, I'll try, also she didn't answer once, not repeatedly.

See above.
Also check Skills links. Everything you need is over there.

Will read up on this again.

Please do, it will help.

I'll try to get the FR going for this interaction, however, this happened a week ago, have to remember the general flow of convo, also I have a couple other FR's posted approaching girls in that same area(none as strong interactions however).