This guy Michael Sartain is a 'status guy'. He is appealing to a certain niche -- the status-seeking crowd -- and appears to be delivering the goods for that crowd. Good for him and them.
A lot of guys in PUA are not 'status guys'. Pickup is a loner's game; it is going out under cloak of anonymity to use the persona and skills you've developed to pluck a woman out of the life she was living and pull her into yours, with little more than force of personality and attractive characteristics.
For the seducer, there's no need to maintain a heavy social circle, to manage all the relationships and status games / backstabbing / ladder-climbing the status guys deal with, and you aren't stressed out worrying all the time about your public perception. On the downside, you are starting from scratch every time you leave the house, and you will face a lot more rejection than the status guy needs to deal with inside his status bubble of people who know and like (or at least hope to use or ally with) him.
There tend to be clashes when you throw status guys and PUAs into the same setting and make them mix.
These are different kinds of men, seeking different things, at a rather foundational level.
I don't know why there is so much coping going on whenever Dan B. or Micheal comes up in these forums. Just learn from them there is so much content. Dan even has a fucking book I'm trying to implement to a T. (Going slow.)
They're looking for different things.
It's like going on a bear hunters' forum and saying, "Everyone knows hunting sharks is the real pro leagues in the hunting world."
You're just looking for trouble & arguments doing that.
Everybody goes like "Oh no, I don't like these girls. My girls have better values. I'm not into women earning 7 figures just off their looks. I don't like women who cares about superficial things like status. I don't like girls with plastic surgery -as if there are any left who haven't-". They are the north star. Whether you guys like it or not. Both of them routinely do (or did) cold approach. This is not an either or situation.
I don't want to be mean to these girls.
But all these chicks grew up as flat-chested nobodies in high school, super insecure about their looks, and went overdrive turning themselves into plastic thirst traps as adults, surrounding themselves with huge social media followings of desperate, thirsty, clueless men.
They have one trick, where they try their best to emulate naturally high genetic quality women, taking advantage of makeup, lighting, expressions, surgery, and faux sexual availability signals, that short circuits the brains of thirsty men and causes them to chase.
I don't see a problem with liking them. A lot of guys like them. Status-seeker males in particular adore these types of girls. It's totally fine.
But let's not get carried away painting miss "everyone-ignored-me-until-I-got-these-implants-and-started-showing-them-off-everywhere" as the ultimate embodiment of feminine perfection.
There is an ultimate embodiment of feminine perfection... but these chicks are simulacrums of it.
That said, they are often doing the best they can, and there is something to admire in their striving.
And no, you're not gonna cold approach Jesse Preston at the local Walmart bro, she was out with Mike this week. That's what he means by "you can't find 9's to approach". (PS: I don't believe in the # scale.) He doesn't mean YOUR 9. He means THE 9.
Well, let's see. Jesse Preston. Objective 9, you say?
I wouldn't normally go into detail on one of these (every man's entitled to his opinion), but you say it's not opinion, but objective fact.
In which case, we can happily dive in and see if objective fact agrees.
I'm unfamiliar with Jesse Preston, so let's look her up:
Hmm. Well, she's got the whole beady eyes, mouse nose, crooked smile thing going on, and her shoulders look like she'd be everyone's first pick for the girl's rugby team in gym class. But her hair's done well, and her eyebrows are plucked. Imagine how she'd look
without the heavy makeup though... facially a 6 maybe (unless she's
highly similar to your face type, in which case you'll rate her higher)?
In body photos, she's thin at least, though she has no ass, and her tits are fake (anyone can get those; they cost 10 Gs). Pretty much every photo of her is her showing off her big fake tits, trying to activate that "OMG, she wants to mate!" signal men have in their brains.
Also (I feel a little bad for picking on her), how hold is she? This chick looks weathered... let's do a quick search and see if we can figure it out...
... aaaand dotage confirmed:
Model Mayhem says she's 35.
So, I don't knock her for trying to do the best she has with what she's got. She's not awful. She's got that mousy Eva Mendes look, which is not a look for everyone, but some guys like it.
You really can't find girls like her (or...
better than her) at Wal-Mart though? Hmm...
There's
a whole thread of these photos. Some of whom look very similar to the Jesse Preston chick:
You really can find them at Wal-Mart!
Not that I would necessarily recommend that as a hunting ground... but, you know... it can work...
Not the "really pretty girl next door who could be a bombshell if she put a lot of effort into makeup or dropped 30k in surgery". (But she doesn't...) He means women earning insane amounts of women due to how beautiful they are right now.
Right, yeah, the whole status thing.
She put a bunch of money into surgery + dresses provocatively so developed a huge following of thirsty dudes who will keep paying her until her wrinkles get too noticeable and her implants sag too low. Meanwhile leverages her status as a thirst trap with loads of thirsty followers to seem popular and get status guys with money to pay top dollar for a night with her (that's
how all these chicks rack up their money. It's not from the peanuts their broke thirsty followers toss them. Nor their abortive fashion lines that never get off the ground because thirsty broke men -- their primary audience -- do not buy women's clothing).
But you're into that flashy status stuff, so it's alluring to you.
Which is cool.
We don't want to get crazy though and start thinking these girls have universal appeal, and that anyone who isn't tripping over himself desperate to shag a 35 y/o mouse-looking chick with fake tits and escort money is deep in the cope.
Don't know why PU guys are so defensive about this instead of just respecting the game. There is nothing they are doing that you can't do on a smaller scale.
#inb4massivebackandforth
It's not the status seeker game or the flashy simulacrum girls these guys go for that causes the reaction.
It's the whole status-seeker attitude of "my girls are the best and everybody knows it and you all want them too."
That kind of thing will always trigger kneejerk reactions in people.
Status seekers think other people hate on them out of jealousy.
A lot of the time it's simply out of annoyance at the status seeker's typically status seeking ways, which he uses in place of him setting aside status to discuss these topics man to man without all the posturing.
Chase
