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As always guys the goal of this review is not to project my own bias (though most of the stuff is what i experienced), but i don't want to have tunnel vision and give you and opportunity... For you to get a look at the state of the dating and mating market mainly in the USA....And to find solutions...I will provide some solutions of actual guys that did really good last year and some things that worked for me.... (nothing that much different that i offer previous years tbh)
I am probably not 100% correct, i am mainly a night gamer, in USA in a suburb in South Florida (not a happy guy context on what is going on with night game). YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DISAGREE AND OFFER YOUR SOLUTIONS.... The look max brah! no practical advice, or the "do mm brah" , or the travel brahs! or the online/no cold approach types of clowns i will advice you respectfully, not to participate, i am not in the mood for trolling. If your shit is not practical! practical means do a to z that you can field test and replicate, i am definitely not interested...Finally, if you are going to offer a water down version of a solution and there is probably an article I wrote in the past on tech, not interested...
For example in my area there was a total nuclear bomb for night game, night game went to shit in my specific gaming areas.... But some guys i know, had an amazing year last year (in some cases their best years but forum guys no real life), i will explain what they did so you guys can field test....
AS always some disclaimer for the autistic dudes:
- Rejection means you open or game a girl and she rejects you... while availability is there was not a girl to target, to game or give her the chance to reject you (for the you need to change game brah dudes, try this method brah dudes)
- USA, stands for United states of America... If you are in NOrth Korea, i can care less about your opinion
- For the Fundamental/look maxing crazy crew.... I already explained in a post when to know if the issue is the fundamentals or not.... (you need to look max brah is annoying)
- When i am talking about inconsistencies/availability i am not counting hallowing, spring break, new years, exclusive parties, frat parties, traveling, special events, work, social circle you belong to(actually part of the solutions).... I am also mainly focusing on cold approach....
- When i am talking about venues is not a pack venue with a group of mix people that know each other and came together(graduation party/after wedding party, couple of bachelorette parties, sausage festivals (10 guys per girl)... If you don't actively do night game, you will not understand why is shit!
- when i refer to physical game is minimal talking more subcommunication when i refer to verbal game is the different verbal methods that are existent in the community (more verbal less physical) context....
- While women don't get approach in day game (this is factual), they totally get approach a lot in night game... ( i see guys posting videos on women not getting approach)... In night game women totally get approach...
I would definitely review my 2024 year review i did not want to copy and paste some of the stuff from last year that apply today... (i will put a link), this one will cover more changes to this year...
Lets start with the manosphere:
- 90% of the good puas and teachers commercial or not, have girlfriends/rotations, so they are not grinding or hustling or checked out for biz.
- Red pill is totally dead and under the grave.... Tate is totally Over specially after he got a knock out from a fucking influencer in a ring (for god sake)...
- Thank you lord! we saw the total destruction of John Anthony lifestyle/jmlv thank you pick up gods... To stop the embarrassment to the community...
- The forum continues to operate smoothly and people get along, the toxic problem guys are gone from the forum, we saw some ogs coming back like ratata, levo etc... However most guys cont. to abandoned forum and go to private groups and chats.... Forums are becoming a thing of the past...
- There were guys that did good last year from the forum some notables jt sunshine, spike/velasco rip and james d, devilicious, allen iverson... Couple of my students as well, But in general, The community is total mediocre, the successful guys all put together do not get the results that advance guys used to get back in the days at comparable age/stage and there is a total lack even in the community of guys that are constantly getting results in general... Local cold approach context...
- A lot of cold approach teachers are now teaching online, out of desperation( a lot guys don't want to do cold approach or think is too hard)...is funny to see how all of the sudden they are teaching online/apps... Crazy shit!
- Total lack of innovation in the community, guys are recycling water down versions on steroids of stuff that was already taught in the past. Water down and on steroids is an insult to the water down and steroids...And the funny thing, is this people think they are actually "came up with it"...
- many pick up teachers keep teaching total outdated advice
- The amount of people going through really long stretches of not getting laid, or not getting laid at all, is the highest i have ever seen since joining the community... If you go to the lr/fr section you will get confuse if this is a pick up forum or an incel forum.. And this is our niche "getting laid" so imagine the rest of the "normal population" and this is one of the top forums, imagine the other forums...
- gen z is big on authenticity, intentionality, meaningful connection and they have app fatigue(though online remain the main source of dating)... Incorporate this into whatever game you run...
- Physical game stock down, a bit of more verbal game stock up (this is accelerated with the death of dance floors, more on this later)... Of course i recommend doing both, water is wet, but verbal up at this year vs last year (my take)...Just dumb down or simplify the verbal, not negs, and be careful with the bull busting and trolling. You need to be able to game/deal with groups for night game....
- Being able to text and follow up and being able to do a date properly, more important than ever (you will not be able to pull like previous years and a lot of online), second encounter stock up...
- sugar daddy, pay for play, qui pro quo strong as fuck, trend continues to increase... There was a girl I know that was getting money to send pictures...(just regular girl)
- As i said in many of the reviews that guys don't get, guys are not getting the dick in pussy experience we used to have pre corona and it has been like that for the past 5 years.... Gen z is not getting a lot of dick in pussy experience, today guys have the most about of resources to get laid, but yet, no getting laid... (these is back by real stats)
- If you fuck a girl and you are good in bed, she will get onitis... ^ guys don't know how to fuck..
- Guys are lame competition is low...
- Anxiety, stress, depression huge with gen z, continue to get worst.... Many gen z are taking medications...
- Gen z is obsessed with youth, scare of growing old, being out of home and facing the constant financial/economic pressures...
- Gen z fitness/health focus which is good....
- Gen z women cont. to dress very sexy almost naked, though compare to a year ago drop a bit (but just a tiny bit)...
FUNDAMENTALS:
There were different trends, now i will explain there is a lot of tik tok insta trends, that are just seeing in both mediums, you will not see the majority in real life.... For example i did not see barrel jeans at all, i did not see the split finger type shoes, i did not see the labubu placed in the belt loop etc... those are trends that people used in tik tok to flex but you will not see in real life... So the context on my fashion is combine of 3 parts my field experience, the people i know that get laid fashion experience and tik tok/insta trends:
Though the baggy trend is still 10% of population, it has hit the peak and main stream, you will not get any extra points for the style, but still you will get more points that the millennial style and skinny jeans(magic fox)... However the new trends that i saw having success( some i did not see at all, i explain in parenthesis):
- baby ts/muscle ts (please do not jump into this trend unless you have a skinny body type with minimal to no muscle think of wide receiver or lanky basket ball player body type (i try this shit and got tooons of peacock attention, form.... wait... dudes, complementing my muscles! so after spending 300 bucks on muscle and baby ts, i was done with this trend...However spike got success with this trend...
- there was also a music logo trend (yes this came back)
- bootcut jeans and flare jeans(this is the version of skinny jeans comming back)
- I saw a retarded trend of people leaving name tags on clothes (shoes, hats, JEANS, tshirts) i was like wtf....
- Chelsea boots came back BUT NOT like the millennials that Hugh the boot at the top like skinny jeans or over the jeans hugging ankle, but with boot cut or flare jeans, where the opening of the jeans cover the boots... Also the chelsea has to be pointy, same with boots (pointy boots)
- sambas also hit peak (still in but you will not get extra points)
-i saw a lot gen alpha and gen z with ugg shoes
- i saw a lot of loafers but more internet tik tok than in person...
- saw a lot of timberlands in person (i would not do this trend is dead)
- converse still strong (though i saw a decline) same with new balance...
- women had a "wife beater" cheap hanes trend... did not see it at all other than internet...
- women had a lot of "tennis court" type little skirts (really sexy) trend
- women also had a lot of cowboy western style in my area (cowboy boots, with shorts or skirts)...
- huge platform shoes in style (i have not seen in person yet) trending online..
- for some reason skinniness is in... (take it as you will, i personally don't like the look on women), but again mainly online..
- Gym style has not change much wide leg sweet pants, the 70 shorts showing socks, women with the leggings skin tight, same as last year tbh..
- the style was mainly y2k style last year.
My take of jeans/pants, i personally abandoned too baggy and went a bit more straight leg, wide leg and boot cut... But my personal take as long as you don't do skinny jeans(unless flare) or jeans with narrow opening at the point of shoe connection, you should be fine... take it easy on the amount of bagginess and i personally will not do barrel jeans (i did not see any of it other than tik tok and that trend is dead)...
mustache on facial hair still strong but i believe reached peak, i also saw a lot of the modern goatee ( i explain it how it look here for context)... But again just like previous years for the gen z, no facial hair or mustache still in...
another retarded trend was having a "la bubu" as a fashion piece instead of the key chain(again mainly online i did not see this in person, though spike tried it, this trend is dead) and there was a come back of the jean chain...
Hair style.- fade hair cut out, new trend letting grow both sides of the hair (i will post pictures at the end)
There was a salvage jean trend with the jeans folded at bottom to flax that they were salvage jeans, i saw this barely in real life(exactly 3 guys), more online...
I personally saw a drop in tatts...There was a trend on people trying to get rid of tattoos TikTok and insta (however if you are into tattoos still i recommend patch work) or NO TATS AT ALL...
I saw more guys wearing earrings (including myself jumped in the trend)
Baseball caps still in and popular...
Most style and clothes you will get online vs in real life, a workaround is women clothing as a man..(check out my post on this).... Style is dictated by tiktok and insta....(and you need to know the right guys that are trending and get pussy wet to imitate the style) this is more for the 18-23 target crowd..
- A lot of gen z due to TikTok and Instagram are totally bombarded with fashion and looks, that is why attraction game is a niche some guys are exploiting... the look max brahs!... I personally think yea is important, but i did not see this was really the issue last year... The problem last year was more of a availability issue/venue selection... IMHO the look max brahs totally do a lot of causation correlation stuff... WITH THAT BEING SAID, 50% of game effort should be focus on look and fashion max and constantly being twicked and improved.... Due to the margins being soo low due to availability... I just troll the look max crew, because is narrow casting like how many posts can i make on fashion, and fitness... And i did not see this the main issue this year, but again availability..
Economics and how did it DIRECTLY AFFECT SEDUCTION:
First what was clubbing before it started declining 2010 till now in the grave (last half of 2025), this is how it was quoting an hot babe "clubbing used to be almost ritualistic. you put on ceremonial outfit and face paint(dress up and put on make up), ingest a mind altering substance(alcohol, weed, sometimes more), and have an almost uncontrollable, primal out of body experience(dancing, courting)."
- My personal story: I been clubbing for 30 plus years, last end half of last year, stuff stop making sense in my head.... I would go to clubs, and the dynamics made no sense... I was confused, i was trying to figure out answers like a n autist, started asking people, djs, women, staff, bar tenders, studying trying to figure out wtf is going on... I thought it was my particular area, started going to different areas, started going out different days, started gong out different times... The more i kept doing this, the more confused i got... Mrs. skills told me "brah how many times you are going to repeat yourself" I was deeply sad, depress, frustrated... I was so confused, never in my life have i gone clubbing and be sooooooooo Bored and left early the club or push myself to be in the club though i was sooooooooooooooo bored....
^ i kept looking and looking for answer did not make sense what was happening.... Then I started looking at biz channels, that cover former successful biz that went bankrupt and bankrupt biz or business and sector of the economy struggling while studying that.... All these business were talking about the different societal changes, how after corona, and the new dynamics of gen z DIRECTLY AFFECTED HOW THEY WENT BANKRUpt... I started putting 2 and 2 together and i started formulating oh shit, this is what is happening to clubs....
^ the best club in my area went out, then i saw a bunch of clubs closing downs, i saw clubs not even charging and entry fee... or a fee of 5 bucks just lol.... I saw how people and women were interacting and i look at the mirror and say, this shit is over... Night life how it used to be is not longer AS OF NOW...... I could change my take in the future but for now let me show you somethings i am witnessing:
Shifts in Generational habits (gen z and millennials):
- Gen z does not drink as much.- A lot of people confuse does not drink as much, with they don't drink strawman.... The main club revenue stream is alcohol/bottle service.... And the drinks they actually drink such as surfside, moonlight and the likes is cheap ($5 bucks)... A lot of them don't drink or drink very little or once a month... Again generalizing, a few drink (there were 2 girls i was with that spent $200 in drinks last year, trying to have an idiot pay it off for them)
- Gen z prefer early shit!.- They like daytime activities like "daytime parties" "brunches" and early events that end by 11 pm, rather than the tradition 2 and 5 am club finishes.... For example a lot of my area clubs that close at 4 were total sausage fest or empty after 2 am, i was like coming home super early.... total change in the club dynamics... The area of town that closes at 2 am 100000% more people than the are of my town were clubs close at 4 am...
- Gen z.- Rather go to art galleries or stay home for gaming and self care rather than going clubbing...
- Gen z.- in the club a bunch of people just standing around in the middle of the dance floor no fucking dancing or interacting (this year got worst), the few that dance is not even real dance but clowning or trolling, i am generalizing, there are a minority of people that dance and interact, talking in general. or a bunch of people not dancing but just standing looking at the dj like if it was concert of drake and you are just a bunch of women and men just looking at the dj (without interacting) is weird as fuck, is like people are getting more retarded...
- Gen z women cont. to be sooo friendly and will open you at clubs.
- clubs are becoming more and more sausage fests, this year is the worst i ever seen in my life.
- The djs and music last year was bad, most djs are playing outdated music, and don't know how to mix properly... A lot of the top 40 club owners have also in some cases told djs not to play top 40 but only edm and the likes to create a more exclusive vibe... Problem with this, that type of music does not contribute to interacting and physicality, also is boring, women get bored after an hour of that shit! and leave....
- Statistically there is a decline on gen z interest in night life...Based on newsweek 25% of gen z still interested in clubbing and only 13 percent of millennials...The reasoning they gave was financial constraint and a preference for staying in.
- IN UK NTIA study there was a decline of 61% of people going out less than a year ago/ only 16% reported going out more after 10 pm... (i am not in the uk but matches what i see in my area in USA)... Main reason they gave "costs"...
"Night Life as it was is not necessarily disappearing is just transforming"
Economic issues:
- As you guys may know i am a finance major, and i do loans and real estate, and i have access to peoples lives and finances.... People can not afford housing, rents.... I have 2 gen z clients that got money right now (the gen z girl from an Indian tribe she gets from government 10k a month for being Indian).... I got them approve for a loan, good credit, no debt, perfect clients.... I am struggling to find them a place cause association (no the bank) wants the financing to be 20% fucking percent down (what does financing has to do with the association).... nothing, my theories is that hoas tired of people not paying the hoa, and going to foreclosure....
^ so rents are high as fuck, people moving to other states/cities/countries, this contributes to clubs being fucking kind of empty as well....
- then we have a fucking decline in tourisms.... If you are a gamer you know how a big supply of lays will come from tourist for obvious reasons.... Tourist women adios... Directly to do with the economy and the autist trump, my take...
- High commercial rents and operational costs for clubs. restaurants and lounges- self explanatory, clubs are operating in soooooo little margins, that they are fucked to be honest...That is why they have to charge $25 dollar for a drink in some cases, and have so many vip tables/bottle service that kill the fucking club dynamics...
SOLUTIONS (in order of effectiveness again my opinion):
- Whatever you did a year ago to get a lay you will have to do at least 3 times more work.(if you don't congratulations) but keep this mindset.
- if your fundamentals are shit, you are done, sorry, no way around this, i don't give a shit if you think your game is the shit! your fundamentals not there in USA, don't even bother (get a nice pornhub subscription).... This has to be constantly improved, refined, and evolve (a lot of work).... For example spike game is following trends on TikTok, seeing how women of his target age respond in the comments, to the hot guys promoting trend and adopting trend. You don't need to go to that extreme and is not necessary, but fundamentals are super important now a days... With that being said, is not hat extreme, problem is a lot of dudes were thinking their fundies were good when they were still doing skinny jeans and chelsea boots or shit outdated style, with tunnel vision (hugging the ankle the shit on my videos 5 years ago) so when they went to loose fits, they were like oh shit drastic increase... (gunwitch social frame on 3 keys)
- If you have AA (rip), you need to do the aa drills, and if you are rusty, you need to do aa drills from 0...
- Travel, if you can get the fuck out of USA or just travel in general or live in a more favorable environment, that is the solution numero 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... A lot of guys that travel did extremely well in the forum.... Devilicious, cientifico, rockstart etc.... Some even moved to other countries and live in another city.I call it geo seduction albitrage... Is not travel for travel, or travel to a place were you are not attracted to girls.... I am sure i would do amazing in Poland/russia/thailand, but i don't like polish/russian women and asian got no ass, I like portuguese women,norweigan,sweedish, french and german in latin american i like brazilian... So i would researh my target geo arbitrage contry of advantage...
- Cross game (online game, day game, social circle, night game). If you don't cross game you will be fucked.... A lot guys just get stuck in online, cause they get lazy, try not to. Unless you get a gf of choice.
- To the game purist and online haters..... Unfortunately, if you don't know online you will be missing out, the reason is it remains the most popular dating method in USA... Again, online is not tinder, it is hinge, bumble, tinder at a minimum you should be using the 3 of them for example in USA or minimum 3 apps in your geographical part of the world.... Before using them you should optimize profile and pictures... and follow the structure i teach and learn how to text... You still need to cold approach and learn how to date, this is just part of the diversification.
- Get a girlfriend. Yep in this environment we are back close to corona levels, fuck this! (my opinion)
- Work.- I am against hooking up from work BUT, there is an exemption hospitality/service industry such as bars, restaurant, strip clubs... Though i am against this, in this type of industries is different and expected. Spike/Velasco is an example.
- Hobby-based meeting.- could be dance classes, clubs, volunteering... Example, there is a "Bachata/salsa community" this is extremely important they meet in restaurants (do a free class) and then they party, they have conferences (packed good ratios), this is popular and they are fucking each other like rabbits. POB is part of one of this communities.
*had student that was using pool to meet women and get laid.
- Soft clubbing which is:
*day time coffee shop dance party and brunches
* theme parties (social circle shit)
*house party, game nights, dinner parties (social circle shit)
*karaoke
- Day game.- Still valuable but you have to put the numbers ( i do opportunistic day game by choice that is not day game)... If you are going to do day game, is going to be a grind, and you need to put in the numbers... Talk to a guy in Scandinavia is doing 1 in 40 or 50... Dww i think had to increase the numbers to 1 in 80 in uk... But you will have to grind and put in the work...
- if you do night game, you will have to do a looooooooooot of work:
a.- Research venue, and go to the venue couple of times... Due to the inconsistency of night game.
B.- If you do night game go out multiple nights... For example i had a night gamer that reported to me that Saturday is the worst night in his area. (bizaro, i though about it and there was a time last year were Saturday was shit and Friday was better)... I went out on a Thursday that used to be popular college night clubs were fucking dead.... So you need to constantly test and travel... Do not rely on social media they make the clubs look good even if they are shit... Travel in this context is you will have to go an hour or 2 hours outside your city...
c.- You will have to travel to see what night areas and clubs are popping...The days of a "Reliable" go to venue that is consistent is over...
d.- best venues i found matches the research on gen z trend, they were cheap or free, cheap alcohol, bands(unfortunately 1 hour from where i live and close at 2 am)... This is an example: https://tinroofdelraybeach.com/
another really night good venue is a retro venue (matches gen z obsession with retro and going back to the past, again 1 hour from where i live and close at 2 am, but it is what it is) https://goodnightjb.com/delraybeach
e.- Latin clubs have not hit the issues that are facing American clubs, yes they have suffer but people still experience the club dynamics is like a bizarro world, latin clubs have now have the reggaeton, and people dance and hook up, and the dynamics remain club dynamics. Edit.- not true, need more research on this went to one that was shit! after writing the post.
f.- Emo/punk/alternative clubs.- Follow the "trend" of gen z of theme clubs...
g.- Go to areas where there is MONEY, OR OLD MONEY, the 2 clubs i mentioned above are in the rich part of my city.
Some guys claimed they had success doing gutter style game... (i did not see this at all).... I done this previous years, but the last couple of years no way... but i am being objective, 2 guys i know on forum not in person, said they had success with this...
There are from @DoWhatWorks from last year still apply but wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more trial and errror and research:
1. Trial and error (lucky to have a wing who goes out a lot so I basically outsourced this lol)
2. Asking attractive girls what places they like to go (Topcat recommended this to me, feel v stupid didn't think of it myself)
3. "Events" are becoming more important than the venue. Venues often host different "nights" e.g. R&B night Friday, then Jazz Saturdays. When you understand the music, demographic & ratios of different events you can better time your visit and have more consistent good nights.
There are also "events" which pop up in different locations and don't have a consistent "base". I think because of the economy these type of nights will increase because it allows organizers to make money without having consistent building costs by only renting as they need it.
4. Instagram - find the "cool" events that girls are following/commenting below asking their friends if they want to go. They're surprisingly cheap & tend to be cute looking or laid back grungy"
Sorry guys, but this year in my area was total shit, the idea i have to do total gymnastics to find a decent night life venue and put sooooo much work is total demoralizing, about to quit night game tbh, i have never seen such a total collapse in night game as it was meant to be... Hopefully next year gets better...
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edit update:
Update: Latin club i went last night land of 5 to 7s(chonga land, the little cropped shirt with the fat hanging out exhibit 10).... the club was remodeled and looks just like the new clubs, bunch of vip tables.... same dynamics of an american club, so it was shit! though more available girls (in the 5-7) range... they also let underage...i was surprised that barely people dancing in a latin club, just standing around... However, this was not a partner dancing latin club, the music was reggetton and hip hop, tiny little latin techno (like 2 songs)... NOt good...So i left to my area, and it was decent....(what i talk about inconsistencies)..
so my next goal is to scout gay club, partner dancing latin club, and techno club.... (as part of what i said 3 times more research)...
So i may need to edit post on the latin stuff.... however, as i said the latin dancing community is where is at (ratios and dynamics) as of now..... not necessarily latin clubs, though again i need to go to a partner dancing latin club to finish the research... (in a month i will)
Good news, spoke to the former club manager of the club that close down in my area...- he said it was not a financial issue, but an opportunity, they sold the biz.... (they may open another club in 4 months) praying to the club gods...
I am probably not 100% correct, i am mainly a night gamer, in USA in a suburb in South Florida (not a happy guy context on what is going on with night game). YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DISAGREE AND OFFER YOUR SOLUTIONS.... The look max brah! no practical advice, or the "do mm brah" , or the travel brahs! or the online/no cold approach types of clowns i will advice you respectfully, not to participate, i am not in the mood for trolling. If your shit is not practical! practical means do a to z that you can field test and replicate, i am definitely not interested...Finally, if you are going to offer a water down version of a solution and there is probably an article I wrote in the past on tech, not interested...
For example in my area there was a total nuclear bomb for night game, night game went to shit in my specific gaming areas.... But some guys i know, had an amazing year last year (in some cases their best years but forum guys no real life), i will explain what they did so you guys can field test....
AS always some disclaimer for the autistic dudes:
- Rejection means you open or game a girl and she rejects you... while availability is there was not a girl to target, to game or give her the chance to reject you (for the you need to change game brah dudes, try this method brah dudes)
- USA, stands for United states of America... If you are in NOrth Korea, i can care less about your opinion
- For the Fundamental/look maxing crazy crew.... I already explained in a post when to know if the issue is the fundamentals or not.... (you need to look max brah is annoying)
- When i am talking about inconsistencies/availability i am not counting hallowing, spring break, new years, exclusive parties, frat parties, traveling, special events, work, social circle you belong to(actually part of the solutions).... I am also mainly focusing on cold approach....
- When i am talking about venues is not a pack venue with a group of mix people that know each other and came together(graduation party/after wedding party, couple of bachelorette parties, sausage festivals (10 guys per girl)... If you don't actively do night game, you will not understand why is shit!
- when i refer to physical game is minimal talking more subcommunication when i refer to verbal game is the different verbal methods that are existent in the community (more verbal less physical) context....
- While women don't get approach in day game (this is factual), they totally get approach a lot in night game... ( i see guys posting videos on women not getting approach)... In night game women totally get approach...
I would definitely review my 2024 year review i did not want to copy and paste some of the stuff from last year that apply today... (i will put a link), this one will cover more changes to this year...
Lets start with the manosphere:
- 90% of the good puas and teachers commercial or not, have girlfriends/rotations, so they are not grinding or hustling or checked out for biz.
- Red pill is totally dead and under the grave.... Tate is totally Over specially after he got a knock out from a fucking influencer in a ring (for god sake)...
- Thank you lord! we saw the total destruction of John Anthony lifestyle/jmlv thank you pick up gods... To stop the embarrassment to the community...
- The forum continues to operate smoothly and people get along, the toxic problem guys are gone from the forum, we saw some ogs coming back like ratata, levo etc... However most guys cont. to abandoned forum and go to private groups and chats.... Forums are becoming a thing of the past...
- There were guys that did good last year from the forum some notables jt sunshine, spike/velasco rip and james d, devilicious, allen iverson... Couple of my students as well, But in general, The community is total mediocre, the successful guys all put together do not get the results that advance guys used to get back in the days at comparable age/stage and there is a total lack even in the community of guys that are constantly getting results in general... Local cold approach context...
- A lot of cold approach teachers are now teaching online, out of desperation( a lot guys don't want to do cold approach or think is too hard)...is funny to see how all of the sudden they are teaching online/apps... Crazy shit!
- Total lack of innovation in the community, guys are recycling water down versions on steroids of stuff that was already taught in the past. Water down and on steroids is an insult to the water down and steroids...And the funny thing, is this people think they are actually "came up with it"...
- many pick up teachers keep teaching total outdated advice
- The amount of people going through really long stretches of not getting laid, or not getting laid at all, is the highest i have ever seen since joining the community... If you go to the lr/fr section you will get confuse if this is a pick up forum or an incel forum.. And this is our niche "getting laid" so imagine the rest of the "normal population" and this is one of the top forums, imagine the other forums...
- gen z is big on authenticity, intentionality, meaningful connection and they have app fatigue(though online remain the main source of dating)... Incorporate this into whatever game you run...
- Physical game stock down, a bit of more verbal game stock up (this is accelerated with the death of dance floors, more on this later)... Of course i recommend doing both, water is wet, but verbal up at this year vs last year (my take)...Just dumb down or simplify the verbal, not negs, and be careful with the bull busting and trolling. You need to be able to game/deal with groups for night game....
- Being able to text and follow up and being able to do a date properly, more important than ever (you will not be able to pull like previous years and a lot of online), second encounter stock up...
- sugar daddy, pay for play, qui pro quo strong as fuck, trend continues to increase... There was a girl I know that was getting money to send pictures...(just regular girl)
- As i said in many of the reviews that guys don't get, guys are not getting the dick in pussy experience we used to have pre corona and it has been like that for the past 5 years.... Gen z is not getting a lot of dick in pussy experience, today guys have the most about of resources to get laid, but yet, no getting laid... (these is back by real stats)
- If you fuck a girl and you are good in bed, she will get onitis... ^ guys don't know how to fuck..
- Guys are lame competition is low...
- Anxiety, stress, depression huge with gen z, continue to get worst.... Many gen z are taking medications...
- Gen z is obsessed with youth, scare of growing old, being out of home and facing the constant financial/economic pressures...
- Gen z fitness/health focus which is good....
- Gen z women cont. to dress very sexy almost naked, though compare to a year ago drop a bit (but just a tiny bit)...
FUNDAMENTALS:
There were different trends, now i will explain there is a lot of tik tok insta trends, that are just seeing in both mediums, you will not see the majority in real life.... For example i did not see barrel jeans at all, i did not see the split finger type shoes, i did not see the labubu placed in the belt loop etc... those are trends that people used in tik tok to flex but you will not see in real life... So the context on my fashion is combine of 3 parts my field experience, the people i know that get laid fashion experience and tik tok/insta trends:
Though the baggy trend is still 10% of population, it has hit the peak and main stream, you will not get any extra points for the style, but still you will get more points that the millennial style and skinny jeans(magic fox)... However the new trends that i saw having success( some i did not see at all, i explain in parenthesis):
- baby ts/muscle ts (please do not jump into this trend unless you have a skinny body type with minimal to no muscle think of wide receiver or lanky basket ball player body type (i try this shit and got tooons of peacock attention, form.... wait... dudes, complementing my muscles! so after spending 300 bucks on muscle and baby ts, i was done with this trend...However spike got success with this trend...
- there was also a music logo trend (yes this came back)
- bootcut jeans and flare jeans(this is the version of skinny jeans comming back)
- I saw a retarded trend of people leaving name tags on clothes (shoes, hats, JEANS, tshirts) i was like wtf....
- Chelsea boots came back BUT NOT like the millennials that Hugh the boot at the top like skinny jeans or over the jeans hugging ankle, but with boot cut or flare jeans, where the opening of the jeans cover the boots... Also the chelsea has to be pointy, same with boots (pointy boots)
- sambas also hit peak (still in but you will not get extra points)
-i saw a lot gen alpha and gen z with ugg shoes
- i saw a lot of loafers but more internet tik tok than in person...
- saw a lot of timberlands in person (i would not do this trend is dead)
- converse still strong (though i saw a decline) same with new balance...
- women had a "wife beater" cheap hanes trend... did not see it at all other than internet...
- women had a lot of "tennis court" type little skirts (really sexy) trend
- women also had a lot of cowboy western style in my area (cowboy boots, with shorts or skirts)...
- huge platform shoes in style (i have not seen in person yet) trending online..
- for some reason skinniness is in... (take it as you will, i personally don't like the look on women), but again mainly online..
- Gym style has not change much wide leg sweet pants, the 70 shorts showing socks, women with the leggings skin tight, same as last year tbh..
- the style was mainly y2k style last year.
My take of jeans/pants, i personally abandoned too baggy and went a bit more straight leg, wide leg and boot cut... But my personal take as long as you don't do skinny jeans(unless flare) or jeans with narrow opening at the point of shoe connection, you should be fine... take it easy on the amount of bagginess and i personally will not do barrel jeans (i did not see any of it other than tik tok and that trend is dead)...
mustache on facial hair still strong but i believe reached peak, i also saw a lot of the modern goatee ( i explain it how it look here for context)... But again just like previous years for the gen z, no facial hair or mustache still in...
another retarded trend was having a "la bubu" as a fashion piece instead of the key chain(again mainly online i did not see this in person, though spike tried it, this trend is dead) and there was a come back of the jean chain...
Hair style.- fade hair cut out, new trend letting grow both sides of the hair (i will post pictures at the end)
There was a salvage jean trend with the jeans folded at bottom to flax that they were salvage jeans, i saw this barely in real life(exactly 3 guys), more online...
I personally saw a drop in tatts...There was a trend on people trying to get rid of tattoos TikTok and insta (however if you are into tattoos still i recommend patch work) or NO TATS AT ALL...
I saw more guys wearing earrings (including myself jumped in the trend)
Baseball caps still in and popular...
Most style and clothes you will get online vs in real life, a workaround is women clothing as a man..(check out my post on this).... Style is dictated by tiktok and insta....(and you need to know the right guys that are trending and get pussy wet to imitate the style) this is more for the 18-23 target crowd..
- A lot of gen z due to TikTok and Instagram are totally bombarded with fashion and looks, that is why attraction game is a niche some guys are exploiting... the look max brahs!... I personally think yea is important, but i did not see this was really the issue last year... The problem last year was more of a availability issue/venue selection... IMHO the look max brahs totally do a lot of causation correlation stuff... WITH THAT BEING SAID, 50% of game effort should be focus on look and fashion max and constantly being twicked and improved.... Due to the margins being soo low due to availability... I just troll the look max crew, because is narrow casting like how many posts can i make on fashion, and fitness... And i did not see this the main issue this year, but again availability..
Economics and how did it DIRECTLY AFFECT SEDUCTION:
First what was clubbing before it started declining 2010 till now in the grave (last half of 2025), this is how it was quoting an hot babe "clubbing used to be almost ritualistic. you put on ceremonial outfit and face paint(dress up and put on make up), ingest a mind altering substance(alcohol, weed, sometimes more), and have an almost uncontrollable, primal out of body experience(dancing, courting)."
- My personal story: I been clubbing for 30 plus years, last end half of last year, stuff stop making sense in my head.... I would go to clubs, and the dynamics made no sense... I was confused, i was trying to figure out answers like a n autist, started asking people, djs, women, staff, bar tenders, studying trying to figure out wtf is going on... I thought it was my particular area, started going to different areas, started going out different days, started gong out different times... The more i kept doing this, the more confused i got... Mrs. skills told me "brah how many times you are going to repeat yourself" I was deeply sad, depress, frustrated... I was so confused, never in my life have i gone clubbing and be sooooooooo Bored and left early the club or push myself to be in the club though i was sooooooooooooooo bored....
^ i kept looking and looking for answer did not make sense what was happening.... Then I started looking at biz channels, that cover former successful biz that went bankrupt and bankrupt biz or business and sector of the economy struggling while studying that.... All these business were talking about the different societal changes, how after corona, and the new dynamics of gen z DIRECTLY AFFECTED HOW THEY WENT BANKRUpt... I started putting 2 and 2 together and i started formulating oh shit, this is what is happening to clubs....
^ the best club in my area went out, then i saw a bunch of clubs closing downs, i saw clubs not even charging and entry fee... or a fee of 5 bucks just lol.... I saw how people and women were interacting and i look at the mirror and say, this shit is over... Night life how it used to be is not longer AS OF NOW...... I could change my take in the future but for now let me show you somethings i am witnessing:
Shifts in Generational habits (gen z and millennials):
- Gen z does not drink as much.- A lot of people confuse does not drink as much, with they don't drink strawman.... The main club revenue stream is alcohol/bottle service.... And the drinks they actually drink such as surfside, moonlight and the likes is cheap ($5 bucks)... A lot of them don't drink or drink very little or once a month... Again generalizing, a few drink (there were 2 girls i was with that spent $200 in drinks last year, trying to have an idiot pay it off for them)
- Gen z prefer early shit!.- They like daytime activities like "daytime parties" "brunches" and early events that end by 11 pm, rather than the tradition 2 and 5 am club finishes.... For example a lot of my area clubs that close at 4 were total sausage fest or empty after 2 am, i was like coming home super early.... total change in the club dynamics... The area of town that closes at 2 am 100000% more people than the are of my town were clubs close at 4 am...
- Gen z.- Rather go to art galleries or stay home for gaming and self care rather than going clubbing...
- Gen z.- in the club a bunch of people just standing around in the middle of the dance floor no fucking dancing or interacting (this year got worst), the few that dance is not even real dance but clowning or trolling, i am generalizing, there are a minority of people that dance and interact, talking in general. or a bunch of people not dancing but just standing looking at the dj like if it was concert of drake and you are just a bunch of women and men just looking at the dj (without interacting) is weird as fuck, is like people are getting more retarded...
- Gen z women cont. to be sooo friendly and will open you at clubs.
- clubs are becoming more and more sausage fests, this year is the worst i ever seen in my life.
- The djs and music last year was bad, most djs are playing outdated music, and don't know how to mix properly... A lot of the top 40 club owners have also in some cases told djs not to play top 40 but only edm and the likes to create a more exclusive vibe... Problem with this, that type of music does not contribute to interacting and physicality, also is boring, women get bored after an hour of that shit! and leave....
- Statistically there is a decline on gen z interest in night life...Based on newsweek 25% of gen z still interested in clubbing and only 13 percent of millennials...The reasoning they gave was financial constraint and a preference for staying in.
- IN UK NTIA study there was a decline of 61% of people going out less than a year ago/ only 16% reported going out more after 10 pm... (i am not in the uk but matches what i see in my area in USA)... Main reason they gave "costs"...
"Night Life as it was is not necessarily disappearing is just transforming"
Economic issues:
- As you guys may know i am a finance major, and i do loans and real estate, and i have access to peoples lives and finances.... People can not afford housing, rents.... I have 2 gen z clients that got money right now (the gen z girl from an Indian tribe she gets from government 10k a month for being Indian).... I got them approve for a loan, good credit, no debt, perfect clients.... I am struggling to find them a place cause association (no the bank) wants the financing to be 20% fucking percent down (what does financing has to do with the association).... nothing, my theories is that hoas tired of people not paying the hoa, and going to foreclosure....
^ so rents are high as fuck, people moving to other states/cities/countries, this contributes to clubs being fucking kind of empty as well....
- then we have a fucking decline in tourisms.... If you are a gamer you know how a big supply of lays will come from tourist for obvious reasons.... Tourist women adios... Directly to do with the economy and the autist trump, my take...
- High commercial rents and operational costs for clubs. restaurants and lounges- self explanatory, clubs are operating in soooooo little margins, that they are fucked to be honest...That is why they have to charge $25 dollar for a drink in some cases, and have so many vip tables/bottle service that kill the fucking club dynamics...
SOLUTIONS (in order of effectiveness again my opinion):
- Whatever you did a year ago to get a lay you will have to do at least 3 times more work.(if you don't congratulations) but keep this mindset.
- if your fundamentals are shit, you are done, sorry, no way around this, i don't give a shit if you think your game is the shit! your fundamentals not there in USA, don't even bother (get a nice pornhub subscription).... This has to be constantly improved, refined, and evolve (a lot of work).... For example spike game is following trends on TikTok, seeing how women of his target age respond in the comments, to the hot guys promoting trend and adopting trend. You don't need to go to that extreme and is not necessary, but fundamentals are super important now a days... With that being said, is not hat extreme, problem is a lot of dudes were thinking their fundies were good when they were still doing skinny jeans and chelsea boots or shit outdated style, with tunnel vision (hugging the ankle the shit on my videos 5 years ago) so when they went to loose fits, they were like oh shit drastic increase... (gunwitch social frame on 3 keys)
- If you have AA (rip), you need to do the aa drills, and if you are rusty, you need to do aa drills from 0...
- Travel, if you can get the fuck out of USA or just travel in general or live in a more favorable environment, that is the solution numero 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.... A lot of guys that travel did extremely well in the forum.... Devilicious, cientifico, rockstart etc.... Some even moved to other countries and live in another city.I call it geo seduction albitrage... Is not travel for travel, or travel to a place were you are not attracted to girls.... I am sure i would do amazing in Poland/russia/thailand, but i don't like polish/russian women and asian got no ass, I like portuguese women,norweigan,sweedish, french and german in latin american i like brazilian... So i would researh my target geo arbitrage contry of advantage...
- Cross game (online game, day game, social circle, night game). If you don't cross game you will be fucked.... A lot guys just get stuck in online, cause they get lazy, try not to. Unless you get a gf of choice.
- To the game purist and online haters..... Unfortunately, if you don't know online you will be missing out, the reason is it remains the most popular dating method in USA... Again, online is not tinder, it is hinge, bumble, tinder at a minimum you should be using the 3 of them for example in USA or minimum 3 apps in your geographical part of the world.... Before using them you should optimize profile and pictures... and follow the structure i teach and learn how to text... You still need to cold approach and learn how to date, this is just part of the diversification.
- Get a girlfriend. Yep in this environment we are back close to corona levels, fuck this! (my opinion)
- Work.- I am against hooking up from work BUT, there is an exemption hospitality/service industry such as bars, restaurant, strip clubs... Though i am against this, in this type of industries is different and expected. Spike/Velasco is an example.
- Hobby-based meeting.- could be dance classes, clubs, volunteering... Example, there is a "Bachata/salsa community" this is extremely important they meet in restaurants (do a free class) and then they party, they have conferences (packed good ratios), this is popular and they are fucking each other like rabbits. POB is part of one of this communities.
*had student that was using pool to meet women and get laid.
- Soft clubbing which is:
*day time coffee shop dance party and brunches
* theme parties (social circle shit)
*house party, game nights, dinner parties (social circle shit)
*karaoke
- Day game.- Still valuable but you have to put the numbers ( i do opportunistic day game by choice that is not day game)... If you are going to do day game, is going to be a grind, and you need to put in the numbers... Talk to a guy in Scandinavia is doing 1 in 40 or 50... Dww i think had to increase the numbers to 1 in 80 in uk... But you will have to grind and put in the work...
- if you do night game, you will have to do a looooooooooot of work:
a.- Research venue, and go to the venue couple of times... Due to the inconsistency of night game.
B.- If you do night game go out multiple nights... For example i had a night gamer that reported to me that Saturday is the worst night in his area. (bizaro, i though about it and there was a time last year were Saturday was shit and Friday was better)... I went out on a Thursday that used to be popular college night clubs were fucking dead.... So you need to constantly test and travel... Do not rely on social media they make the clubs look good even if they are shit... Travel in this context is you will have to go an hour or 2 hours outside your city...
c.- You will have to travel to see what night areas and clubs are popping...The days of a "Reliable" go to venue that is consistent is over...
d.- best venues i found matches the research on gen z trend, they were cheap or free, cheap alcohol, bands(unfortunately 1 hour from where i live and close at 2 am)... This is an example: https://tinroofdelraybeach.com/
another really night good venue is a retro venue (matches gen z obsession with retro and going back to the past, again 1 hour from where i live and close at 2 am, but it is what it is) https://goodnightjb.com/delraybeach
e.- Latin clubs have not hit the issues that are facing American clubs, yes they have suffer but people still experience the club dynamics is like a bizarro world, latin clubs have now have the reggaeton, and people dance and hook up, and the dynamics remain club dynamics. Edit.- not true, need more research on this went to one that was shit! after writing the post.
f.- Emo/punk/alternative clubs.- Follow the "trend" of gen z of theme clubs...
g.- Go to areas where there is MONEY, OR OLD MONEY, the 2 clubs i mentioned above are in the rich part of my city.
Some guys claimed they had success doing gutter style game... (i did not see this at all).... I done this previous years, but the last couple of years no way... but i am being objective, 2 guys i know on forum not in person, said they had success with this...
There are from @DoWhatWorks from last year still apply but wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more trial and errror and research:
1. Trial and error (lucky to have a wing who goes out a lot so I basically outsourced this lol)
2. Asking attractive girls what places they like to go (Topcat recommended this to me, feel v stupid didn't think of it myself)
3. "Events" are becoming more important than the venue. Venues often host different "nights" e.g. R&B night Friday, then Jazz Saturdays. When you understand the music, demographic & ratios of different events you can better time your visit and have more consistent good nights.
There are also "events" which pop up in different locations and don't have a consistent "base". I think because of the economy these type of nights will increase because it allows organizers to make money without having consistent building costs by only renting as they need it.
4. Instagram - find the "cool" events that girls are following/commenting below asking their friends if they want to go. They're surprisingly cheap & tend to be cute looking or laid back grungy"
Sorry guys, but this year in my area was total shit, the idea i have to do total gymnastics to find a decent night life venue and put sooooo much work is total demoralizing, about to quit night game tbh, i have never seen such a total collapse in night game as it was meant to be... Hopefully next year gets better...
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edit update:
Update: Latin club i went last night land of 5 to 7s(chonga land, the little cropped shirt with the fat hanging out exhibit 10).... the club was remodeled and looks just like the new clubs, bunch of vip tables.... same dynamics of an american club, so it was shit! though more available girls (in the 5-7) range... they also let underage...i was surprised that barely people dancing in a latin club, just standing around... However, this was not a partner dancing latin club, the music was reggetton and hip hop, tiny little latin techno (like 2 songs)... NOt good...So i left to my area, and it was decent....(what i talk about inconsistencies)..
so my next goal is to scout gay club, partner dancing latin club, and techno club.... (as part of what i said 3 times more research)...
So i may need to edit post on the latin stuff.... however, as i said the latin dancing community is where is at (ratios and dynamics) as of now..... not necessarily latin clubs, though again i need to go to a partner dancing latin club to finish the research... (in a month i will)
Good news, spoke to the former club manager of the club that close down in my area...- he said it was not a financial issue, but an opportunity, they sold the biz.... (they may open another club in 4 months) praying to the club gods...
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