Calls & Texts My last post on hard closing and the psychology of why is lower odds...

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Wow, never checked out the lyrics of that song! (I'm not a native English speaker so it doesn't really register, even though I've listened to the song countless times)

"So we put her on the hit list
Of a common cunning linguist"



So true!

Hey GameBoy.
Yea great song!!
Imo the lyrics are outlining what works to get a chick that may be upper class/ out of the guys usual league.
That Game is to provide spicy sex value to her , that she may not be getting from her usual upper class , rich but boring BFs .

be the ‘common’ cunning linguist w the sex skills. The bad boy that ll put it in her ass and give her the thrillz.

the common ‘bad boy’ basically I guess.
That’s what will appeal to a chick like that.
The adventure and the Thrills.

Billy Joel sang of the same in “Uptown Girl”
She’s rolling w a backstreet guy , the downtown man.. and her momma never told her why.. (cos he puts it in her A$$ )
Hahaha

 

[Skills]

Let me put it this way: after thousands of approaches, I can tell within seconds if the interaction has potential or not. You don't need thousands of approaches to gauge this, anyway. Most women who have actually went on a date with me, and who I have banged, have been super super positive during the cold approach, - this includes giving very clear signs that they were interested in getting to know me:

1) asking first for my name
2) asking where I live
3) sometimes giving me direct compliment that "I am good looking" or something like this
4) being very direct about exchanging numbers without any qualms or hesitations (if they offer instagram or some other bullshit - hell fuck no. Back in facebook days, when any chick offered a facebook / email, I'd just walk away immediately)
5) Allowing me into their physical space very closely withing seconds
6) responding well to my super direct sexual openers like "Let's get together for a night of pleasure"

Basically, girls who are actually eager to meet and fuck quickly don't hesitate to exchange contact details and don't require any bullshit long "soft" text exchanges, usually. This goes for online / apps too.

Water is wet, brother, don't waste my time, if you are not going to show me the respect and read the post i already addressed that in the post, here is is again, in big fat capital letters "CASES WERE TO USE HARD CLOSING:"

Calls & Texts - scenarios of straight hard close or more aggressive texting....

This post inspire me of something i was thinking when going for straight hard close (i recently did similar) There are times when you have a girl that are really high interest, really invested, it could be: - you really hit it off and she really digs you -she perceive you as higher value in...

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Any signs that a girl is a little bit sceptical, coy, or slightly unsure about any of the above - and I am already thinking she has a good chance of flaking or not making it too straightforward, and after thousands of approaches, this usually turns out to be the case. Now the girl in question, although she was positive for sure, gave me some subtle signs she may not be super straightforward to meet - specifically, she mentioned to me she is "shy" a few times, and when I told her (during cold approach) that we should meet for a drink and exchange contacts, she was happy to do that, but was also at first a just little coy with "maybe....". Not to go into much detail, but there were some other subtle signs there, too, that I picked up on (like her not asking my name initially, for example among other things). She was the type that needed my physical presence there to take things forward and override any objections.

Regarding personality / banter - I didn't say that I know it, obviously I don't....

^ bingo then you are going to leave in the table a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of lays, anyways while you are fucking super super super greens, your statement....

i am fucking green, yellows, and super green...... aka more lays, but you go ahead and keep trying to fuck super super super greens.... while watching porn hub... i will be fucking the rest...

 

[famineofcrows]

I can tell within seconds if the interaction has potential or not

i think people learn this 'skill' with enough experience/approaches.
I feel I can tell within a second or two, as well. I can even tell when watching an infield lol

 

[gameboy]

be the ‘common’ cunning linguist w the sex skills.

cunning linguist - cunnilingus
Also, obviously a smooth talker.

 

[Skills]

i think people learn this 'skill' with enough experience/approaches.
I feel I can tell within a second or two, as well. I can even tell when watching an infield lol

again if you are doing the above (i used to do that have millions of post on that) you will be leaving a lot of lays on the table...

There are a lot of gen z girls specially that are shy and awkward as fuck and don't give you anything, and is still on..

 

[HeartOfChaos]

lot of gen z girls specially that are shy and awkward as fuck and don't give you anything, and is still on..

what is "don't give you anything"? These girls still must be compliant with your verbals / non verbals if it is still on... To clarify, are you referring to in person interaction here?

 

[Skills]

what is "don't give you anything"? These girls still must be compliant with your verbals / non verbals if it is still on... To clarify, are you referring to in person interaction here?

they don't give you the expected approach invites or reaction you are used to from dtf girls after 1k of approaches and you think there is nothing there and is still on....

 

[D. Gately]

I waited 19 days for a reply from this Gen Z girl quite recently, turned out she was into me and came straight to my hotel that evening. Some of them are even too shy & awkward to agree to any plans ahead of time.

 

[Skills]

I waited 19 days for a reply from this Gen Z girl quite recently, turned out she was into me and came straight to my hotel that evening. Some of them are even too shy & awkward to agree to any plans ahead of time.

Exactly... These dudes keep losing lays when they don't get the positive reactions they are so used to getting and even when they get blocked or radio silence or short answers..

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

i think people learn this 'skill' with enough experience/approaches.
I feel I can tell within a second or two, as well. I can even tell when watching an infield lol

It gets easy enough to read signals if a girl is super green off the bat yes.
Maybe she’s single, available and interested to find a new bloke at that time.

This goes back to the question “can a girl that gives me shit/ attitude on the approach really be gamed /pulled ?”
And the answer is yes. A % of them , depending on the situation.
Everyone is open to influence.

-she could be testing for Alpha qualities.
-She could consider a street approach low value.
-She could be playing a ‘nice quality girl who needs more comfort.
-She could be in a relationship and bored, looking to trade up or move on.
-She could be a Gamey -chick that plays it shy /cool and wants to get her hooks into a guy firstly with ‘connection’ (Asian chicks can be like fhis)
-She could be an older Cougar chick and wants to know he’s worth it before she bothers.
She could be ANY kind of chick and wants to know he’s worth it before she bothers.
-She could be many types.

many chicks want to test guys firstly for specific things they want from him before they turn green to fuck him.

I just call it ‘Girl Game’.

that’s just their thing and their preference.

guys just need to be a little more patient imo and ime and know the chicks angle , her situation and her Game.

Thin slice ,make assumptions and say clever statements , to let her know that he knows. And will play along …

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

@famineofcrows

I’ll put it another way more succinctly,

mating is a competition . Hot females always have lots of interest and lots of options re males. They generally hold back showing fheir interest ,until they can get confidence that the guy in front of them actually has the traits she’s selecting for.
They’ll play cool/ aloof/ bitchy and him test firstly , to see if he can handle it and roll with her (and her hot bitchy friends too) Basically.

and any guy that says to that “ that’s a bad attitude , such a chick is not worth it” ,
Well that’s laughable really, cos we all desire Hot Chicks. That’s how it works.

 

[ChrisXKiss]

I waited 19 days for a reply from this Gen Z girl quite recently, turned out she was into me and came straight to my hotel that evening. Some of them are even too shy & awkward to agree to any plans ahead of time.

Wait because this is interesting, did you send a text and with nothing else happening she replied positively 19 days later?

I’m just wondering if this is sustainable, because I tend to send something 2-3 days after the first no reply, and then maybe 5-6 days after the second no reply.

Not the same thing, I may change to a voice message or a picture, something to keep it alive in an interesting way.

I have had late replies myself too, mostly because I was busy and even forgot to follow up, but I’m not sure if as a strategy waiting, not double texting and expecting she may take long to reach out is efficient.

I guess it’s always case by case, but in my experience, the sparser the communication becomes without meeting, the more probable it is the meeting will never happen.

Are these girls that felt very into you in person and you were almost sure they would turn around and respond, girls you could take or leave and didn’t care much about, or is there some other thinking behind this texting approach?

 

[D. Gately]

I guess it’s always case by case, but in my experience, the sparser the communication becomes without meeting, the more probable it is the meeting will never happen.

Mostly true, but always case by case. Here's how it went down --

So, I texted her after a good meetup, and she replied positively. I knew she was interested in me.

Then I texted her a 2-3 days later and referenced the margaritas we drank. No response.

I did a follow-up text on a Saturday iirc, no reply for 19 days, then she msg'd asking if we could hang out 'very soon' with a kissy-face emoji or smth.

So, I told her to meet at XYZ hotel in the city that night for drinks. She replied, 'What time,' and I told her when & also what to wear because these Z chicks have no idea how to dress 85% of the time.

She came direct to the room, fast seduction occurred, funny thing was she brought a bag with her nice clothes in it [knowing she could change in the room], I told her to get undressed once she was warmed up, and a good time was had by all before drinks. And afterwards. I think she slept there, because she had passed the F out after sex & I went home, I left her a little note about having to work early.

Some lessons I've learned about Gen Z, and skills has also mentioned among others:
1) they are legit terrible at texting and keeping in touch, 90% of the msgs are like 1 sentence or less.
2) as Chris mentions sometimes you have to use voice messages, I've added this to the repertoire when Chase suggested it. Effective.
3) They are frequently shy & anxious, you have to lead 10x more than ever before. Always Be Leading. This also means in the bedroom, no matter how kinky they might be. They're afraid to bring up certain desires that, in their social circle, might get them a bad reputation but they are dying to do/try.

4) The concept of *them* not knowing how to properly dress would have been laughable in the older days for instance, you pick a nice place it should be obvious to them...nope, not anymore.
5) Yes, they'll be late 95% of the time. Get over it. I've had to extend my '15-minute' rule on date lateness.
6) They are broke ASF. AI is limiting many of them to server/retail jobs.

7) They are desperate to have great sex with an experienced guy. I think the stat I posted before was 24% of women 18-25 had zero sex in the past year. Plenty of hot girls out there, I've met them.

Another example, I met this girl out in public, started chatting and she said she was 18 & just starting college. Normally, I don't even bother with that age because they are flaky and immature but she was a legit 5'9" and very very attractive. She gives me her number and I text her the next day, 'Hey, it's don blah blah' and no response. I completely forgot about her, even her name because I had chatted up two other 5'9" girls in a row.
A week later she calls me on the phone, I let it go to vmail because I couldn't remember who it was and I was in the middle of work, but this is how odd they act sometimes. I haven't called her back yet.

 

[Prodigy]

Exactly... These dudes keep losing lays when they don't get the positive reactions they are so used to getting and even when they get blocked or radio silence or short answers..

Hello skills can you explain more on the even when they get blocked or radio silence ? Or short answers ? Im very interested in this part coz last year I was blocked a lot for various reasons but mostly I just assume the Hun is telling me stay away I don't want you maybe I'm wrong

 

[Skills]

Hello skills can you explain more on the even when they get blocked or radio silence ? Or short answers ? Im very interested in this part coz last year I was blocked a lot for various reasons but mostly I just assume the Hun is telling me stay away I don't want you maybe I'm wrong

sure:

Genz blocking trend...

I was going to post about this on my end of year review but i will post here in case someone ask me on pm or forum so i can link them here..., Ok guys there are even memes about this.... I thought it was me, but helped some guys in pm and asked some other seducers.... And the gen z tends to...

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There are other stuff I have been talking about discuss and relevant to the answer to main post:

Some different tweaks for seduction in new era...

These are already discuss in the forum in other places and in my yearly reviews but it is just a bit of adjustments: - Try texting faster.- This one is HUGE, back in the day we advice to match her response time, so if she took an hour to text back you take an hour and 10 minutes at least...

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[GreatManKos]

Let me put it this way: after thousands of approaches, I can tell within seconds if the interaction has potential or not. You don't need thousands of approaches to gauge this, anyway. Most women who have actually went on a date with me, and who I have banged, have been super super positive during the cold approach, - this includes giving very clear signs that they were interested in getting to know me:

1) asking first for my name
2) asking where I live
3) sometimes giving me direct compliment that "I am good looking" or something like this
4) being very direct about exchanging numbers without any qualms or hesitations (if they offer instagram or some other bullshit - hell fuck no. Back in facebook days, when any chick offered a facebook / email, I'd just walk away immediately)
5) Allowing me into their physical space very closely withing seconds
6) responding well to my super direct sexual openers like "Let's get together for a night of pleasure"

Basically, girls who are actually eager to meet and fuck quickly don't hesitate to exchange contact details and don't require any bullshit long "soft" text exchanges, usually. This goes for online / apps too.

Any signs that a girl is a little bit sceptical, coy, or slightly unsure about any of the above - and I am already thinking she has a good chance of flaking or not making it too straightforward, and after thousands of approaches, this usually turns out to be the case. Now the girl in question, although she was positive for sure, gave me some subtle signs she may not be super straightforward to meet - specifically, she mentioned to me she is "shy" a few times, and when I told her (during cold approach) that we should meet for a drink and exchange contacts, she was happy to do that, but was also at first a just little coy with "maybe....". Not to go into much detail, but there were some other subtle signs there, too, that I picked up on (like her not asking my name initially, for example among other things). She was the type that needed my physical presence there to take things forward and override any objections.

Regarding personality / banter - I didn't say that I know it, obviously I don't....

Game is almost entirely about getting the "maybe girls," and their amount depends mostly on your looks - including facial features, age and height* (typo, previously was face), first of all, things you can't change. A guy who's 10/10 can just approach girls with "Let's get together for a night of pleasure" and while he'll lose a lot of girls, he'll sleep with a lot, more than enough for complete abundance if he does 1000 approaches, isn't bad in the bed and doesn't ghost girls too much. If you're, let's say, a 5'6'' or shorter minority guy and hardly handsome, this won't work, you'll be just wasting your time.
The same goes online. Skills is sharing what's the most effective in his experience. You're saying that you don't need efficiency because you're very good looking and a lot of girls are dtf from the start, so you don't want to "waste time on maybe girls"... I'm not sure what's the point of the discussion, ha-ha.

 

[Skills]

Game is almost entirely about getting the "maybe girls," and their amount depends mostly on your looks - including facial features, age and face, first of all, things you can't change. A guy who's 10/10 can just approach girls with "Let's get together for a night of pleasure" and while he'll lose a lot of girls, he'll sleep with a lot, more than enough for complete abundance if he does 1000 approaches, isn't bad in the bed and doesn't ghost girls too much. If you're, let's say, a 5'6'' or shorter minority guy and hardly handsome, this won't work, you'll be just wasting your time.
The same goes online. Skills is sharing what's the most effective in his experience. You're saying that you don't need efficiency because you're very good looking and a lot of girls are dtf from the start, so you don't want to "waste time on maybe girls"... I'm not sure what's the point of the discussion, ha-ha.

Not necessarily true.. many people lose women super green and green via text... The girl in the sample was green...if anyone questions that i don't know what to say... And yet he lost her.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

they don't give you the expected approach invites or reaction you are used to from dtf girls after 1k of approaches and you think there is nothing there and is still on....

But you can still test by cutting physical space, taking her hand, all that to show that it's on

These dudes keep losing lays when they don't get the positive reactions they are so used to getting and even when they get blocked or radio silence or short answers

Out of many times I either waited (for weeks, many months) or tried to resurrect things down the line with any woman who's gone radio silent or blocked - not many resurfaced...and those that did, were usually very positive during the initial interaction.

If they go silent for a few days, it's ok

Game is almost entirely about getting the "maybe girls," and their amount depends mostly on your looks - including facial features, age and face, first of all, things you can't change. A guy who's 10/10 can just approach girls with "Let's get together for a night of pleasure" and while he'll lose a lot of girls, he'll sleep with a lot, more than enough for complete abundance if he does 1000 approaches, isn't bad in the bed and doesn't ghost girls too much. If you're, let's say, a 5'6'' or shorter minority guy and hardly handsome, this won't work, you'll be just wasting your time.
The same goes online. Skills is sharing what's the most effective in his experience. You're saying that you don't need efficiency because you're very good looking and a lot of girls are dtf from the start, so you don't want to "waste time on maybe girls"... I'm not sure what's the point of the discussion, ha-ha.

I am not saying that I am very good looking or anything. Just that given that I had quite a few girls check me out aggressively, initiate conversations, and be ready dtf from the start online and from daygame, and all that, over the years. So certain girls think I am good looking for sure. But I still have to do hundreds upon hundreds of approaches, especially since now I am loosing my looks - close to 40 and losing a bit of hair and greying, unfortunately.

I agree with u, anyone who says face , age, hair don't really affect your chances- they are full of shit or just delusional.

 

[D. Gately]

I forgot either 1A) or 2A) You're going to have to start double or triple texting with these shy girls.

Basically, I now divide girls into extroverted v introverted for texting purposes specifically.
The extro- girls who are socially calibrated, know how to flirt & how to respond to a man just text as Skills has shown. You don't double & triple text them.

The introverted girls you're going to have to message them more than once to get them out [again], no matter how interested they are in all likelihood.

In the OG days of a decade ago, this would come across as desperate and try-hard. Not the case anymore. They lost years of socialization and learning how to flirt to Covid, they're not playing hard to get, they're just unsure how to respond to a man who showed IRL he was attracted to them.

That extra text you send takes 5 seconds, maybe you think of it as a hail mary if she hasn't responded in a week -- maybe not, but it no longer has the negative stigma -- again talking specifically of introverted Gen Z girls who may not have been on an actual date in a year or more, no matter how hot they are.

 

[HeartOfChaos]

They lost years of socialization and learning how to flirt to Covid, they're not playing hard to get, they're just unsure how to respond to a man who showed IRL he was attracted to them.

Sure you arent putting too much stock into the covid thing? They lost maybe like a year and a half tops I think.. Not a big deal if you ask me, and this was 3 years ago already...

Maybe they are just inept from spending all their time watching shit like tik tok.

As an aside it never ceases to amaze me how so many, especially young women just don't seem to be interested in finding out about the natural world around them; they can spend years living in a city and not venture out of their comfort zone, or seek out new areas, venues, locations, to just take walks, explore or hang out at on their own.

Any women who can orientate herself well without looking at Google maps / checking her phone for directions, or dares to venture out by herself into new territory and tries to do new things without prompting is a breath of fresh air. They are so fucking rare.