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Tribal Elder
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To fill this hole, enter: deep diving.

Plus/or sexual comfort frames.

C2 structure (M3 has Bounce or Time Bridge loops to multi-C2):

Short C2 structure:



Long C2 structure:

c2 for context, from what i understand... Would be what happens post meet in the second location (what i do and teach)... you just posted the whole thing without context...
 

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Cro-Magnon Man
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post meet in the second location
C2 is everything after the club prior to sex location.

Whether bounce or time bridge out of the pickup venue, or the first meeting from online, that's all C2. C1 is isolating her from the group at the club.

A1, A2, A3, C1 (meet location)
C2 (date locations)
C3, S1, S2, S3 (sex location)

C1 (club)
time bridge

C2.i (cafe)
bounce
C2.ii (bar)
bounce
C2.iii (park)

bounce
C3 (living room)

C1 (club)
time bridge

C2.i (cafe)
bounce
C2.ii (bar)
bounce
C2.iii (park)

time bridge

C2.iv (cafe)
bounce
C2.v (bar)
bounce
C2.vi (park)

bounce
C3 (home)

C1
time bridge

C2.i (time constrained lunch, intro sex talk, hug)
time bridge
C2.ii (time constrained coffee/drink, personal sex talk, kiss)
time bridge
C2.iii (date night, personal sex talk, escalation/tension)

bounce
C3

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A1/A2: open [assume attraction due to match]
A3: qualify best qualities
Move to texting

C1: texting
Time Bridge to date

C2.i (cafe, meet and greet)
Bounce
C2.ii (bar, with micro-escalation)
Bounce
C2.iii (park, with sex talk gambits)

Bounce
C3 (home)

However, within that C2.i, you may have to quickly go through A2, A3, C1 on an emotional level since online's not real life. The stages are both her emotional phases and the locations, ideally in tandem.
 
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Tribal Elder
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C2 is everything after the club prior to sex location.

Whether bounce or time bridge out of the pickup venue, or the first meeting from online, that's all C2. C1 is isolating her from the group at the club.

A1, A2, A3, C1 (meet location)
C2 (date locations)
C3, S1, S2, S3 (sex location)

C1 (club)
time bridge

C2i (cafe)
bounce
C2ii (bar)
bounce
C2iii (park)

bounce
C3 (living room)

C1 (club)
time bridge

C2.i (cafe)
bounce
C2.ii (bar)
bounce
C2.iii (park)

time bridge

C2.iv (cafe)
bounce
C2.v (bar)
bounce
C2.vi (park)

bounce
C3 (home)

C1
time bridge

C2i (time constrained lunch, intro sex talk, hug)
time bridge
C2ii (time constrained coffee/drink, personal sex talk, kiss)
time bridge
C2iii (date night, personal sex talk, escalation/tension)

bounce
C3

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A1/A2: open [assume attraction due to match]
A3: qualify best qualities
Move to texting

C1: texting
Time Bridge to date

C2.i (cafe, meet and greet)
Bounce
C2.ii (bar, with micro-escalation)
Bounce
C2.iii (park, with sex talk gambits)

Bounce
C3 (home)

However, within that C2.i, you may have to quickly go through A2, A3, C1 on an emotional level since online's not real life. The stages are both her emotional phases and the locations, ideally in tandem.
i see, whole thing so confusing...
 

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Cro-Magnon Man
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i see, whole thing so confusing...
It is for sure a lot. In the diagram, cold approach plus two 3-bouce dates would be C1 through either the B or T to C2, then two loops through the B, one loop through the T, two loops through the B, then through the B to C3.

It's not a method, just a visualization of what's happening regardless of it being charted out or not. At the early game pickup level, she's not going to isolate and move rooms or sit with you before attraction, and she's not going to agree to bounce or a date without attraction and minimum trust.
 
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posted the whole thing without context...

Posted cause Captain Jack discussion this week

I still am - long-term partner, talking about having kids, and planning to propose next month. I like to come on here very occasionally to see if people are still talking about CJ. He's also married and long-retired.

Jason (CJ) doesn't care any more and he's said his materials can be shared however people want

https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/fr-practicing-captain-jacks-sexual-framing.31403/#post-203829

The reason we did it the second way is because we learned MM first. And then this guy CJ started to constantly post lay reports about SNLs. He did those by sexualizing his sarges that were otherwise strictly MM. He was also able to retain the girls as FBs, so it wasn’t “fools mate” (easy girls, yes girls, or just one night stands or club hookups).

It was pretty funny… Sinn was lead instructor at Mystery Method back then and he was like “this has to be bullshit... I’ll go meet this guy and call him out.” ...Sinn flew to Dallas to see CJ in field, realized it was all true and then moved to Dallas for a year just to learn from him.
 

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Mystery Method Refresher

YaReally:

Here’s an MM refresher for the newbies on getting “impossible high-end elite girls” and retarded feminists:

Steps 1-7: Charge the Venue

1) Your walk around the bar solo and approach direct “I thought you were cute and I’d kick
myself if I didn’t come say hi” opener that works on the drunk 7s at the bar is probably stupid
shit that’s going to 1) get you blown out right away and 2) put the ball in her court to lead the
conversation and you’re probably going to end up talking about stupid shit and getting
disqualified by her “psycho-social symbolism” shit. You’re just forcing her to run her standard
shit on you.

2) Go indirect. Demonstrate High Value in her vicinity instead of directly TO her so that she’s
curious about you. That means charm other people in the room and let her see you doing so. If
she isn’t biting, keep DHV’ing. You can DHV *FOREVER*. If Brad Pitt or Clooney or whoever’s
popular with the kids these days was in the room in tennis shoes and a t-shirt, would she want
to fuck him? Yes, because she knows he’s high-value. So accepting that means you have to
accept that IF SHE THINKS YOUR VALUE IS HIGH ENOUGH SHE WILL WANT TO FUCK YOU.

3) How do we DHV in a high-end social scene to seem LIKE Brad Pitt in that evening? Start with
dudes, because dudes are always friendly and you should be able to chat up dudes and joke
around with them about shit and get them laughing and loving you. I usually start by
complimenting their suits and shit saying fuck I should’ve dressed up you guys are gonna get all
the girls tonight I’m gonna be a virgin forever etc. This is like, basic social skills shit. Now you’re
in with a group of dudes so you’re not some loner there.

4) If it’s a mixer enviro where people don’t all know eachother yet, open girls that pass by and
throw them at your buddies (“HEY. Stop, you need to meet my buddy, Buddy this is Random
Girl Name, Random Girl Name this is Buddy.”) Doesn’t matter if they get the girl or not they will
love that you just threw pussy at them and gave them a chance.

5) If they all know eachother already because it’s a clique enviro then just focus on befriending
the dudes and you’ll naturally meet the girls through them and can focus on running MM group
theory when that happens.

6) If all the dudes are assholes for some reason because you’re dressed like shit (I’m too poor to
afford rich clothes/shoes lol and people who can afford that stuff can tell lol), befriend the staff.
They’re literally PAID to be friendly to you and they’re either cool handsome dudes or hot
chicks, either way joking around with them gets you social proof. Use that blink of social proof
to open whatever group (a group is better than a solo girl, in a group at least ONE of them will
be cool with you and like you, VS a solo girl where she may just shoot you down or her group
comes to protect her, so ideally you want to order your drink beside the big group doing shots,
sometimes they’ll even include you in the group shot because they have money and love you
because you made one clever comment and they want everyone to have fun) is beside you
when you order that drink and start building shit from there.

7) Now you’ve got SOME kind of social proof. From here standard MM you merge sets forward,
introduce groups to eachother, be the social connector. None of this requires saying “I work at
McDonald’s and I’m too poor and uneducated to be here”, you’re just running light social game
spreading value to everyone so that everyone has a fun time.

Steps 8-9: A2/A3

8) ANY girl that’s checking you out at this point, because they’re curious who the fuck this guy
is, you include in the fun but indirectly. Bring her group into your conversation with your social
proof sets and get their opinion and shit on the topic while you ignore her (again standard
MM). Joke around and have fun and keep DHV’ing until she’s demanding your attention (and
she WILL demand your attention if she’s the only one you’re not engaging and she’s smokin hot
and used to attention).

9) Cover all your bases, cross your t’s and dot your i’s with getting her group to love you and
then go into standard MM qualifying her and if she won’t play along neg/tease her then just
keep DHV’ing to the rest of her group until you can qualify her again and loop that until she
starts to try to pass your qualifications.

Step 10: C1

10) When she’s FINALLY trying to pass your qualifiers, so she’s attracted enough that she won’t
care if you work at McDonald’s, isolate her from the group and do your one on one thing. She
won’t test as hard and will forgive and hamster rationalize your flaws that she would’ve
disqualified you for at the start, because you have value to her now.

That’s it. Oh no it’s impossible. Ya it’s impossible if you’re trying to run shitty game on her
instead of following the literal step by step guide Mystery laid out for these environments.

Daygame is trickier because it’s harder to DHV since there’s less people around, but even
opening a little old lady in front of her warms the set up. If it’s a coffee shop etc, be loud and
joke around with the barista and get a cute chick in line giggling before you go sit by the one
you want. There’s tons of options, get creative.
 

Francis

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@Chase just dropped a guide on A2 to the start of A3


Been a while since we've got an article series!!!

@Teevster also just wrote one of my favorite articles in a while and I think it's really relevant here. It seems in a lot of MM discussions, there's so much focus on various details of the method besides what I think is the main beauty of its whole foundation, which is playing a "solid game". Here he mentions "bulletproof" game.


I am a true believer that you can speed run the way points. So in the model Attract -> Comfort -> Seduce (S to me is "mating initiation", not sexual frames, or even the first step at the sex location)...

To recap, the problems associated with improper M3 sequencing are:
1. Starting at the end —fool's mate problems
2. Starting at the middle —protection shield problems
3. Starting at the beginning but skipping the middle = buyer's remorse problems
4. Starting at the beginning but getting stuck in the middle = friendship zone problems

To me, even if you run into a bright green girl (fully compliant from the start) and adhere to the 7-minute-rule (always take an escalation window), this is not fool's mate so long as you establish mutual attraction with qualifying, then minimum required trust and comfort before touching her panties.
 
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