Socializing Nightgame with a lesbian wing

[Higher]

Anybody speaking for or against doing night game with a lesbian wing?

Is having a lesbian wing an asset or a liability in your experience? If an asset, how do you make the best out of it?

I met one in Lisbon recently and we went out one night, but i was so focused on running game on her (she told me she was "only" 80% lesbian after all!) that i missed a lot of chances with other girls we met.

In retrospect the right move was to treat her as a buddy of mine and just meet girls together. She's a bit weird and definitely not a player, but i guess she's got better access to female-only circles and maybe could serve as preselection.

(Also, we could have kept in touch and maybe she'd have introduced me to other gals.)

Thoughts?

 

[Will_V]

Anybody speaking for or against doing night game with a lesbian wing?

Is having a lesbian wing an asset or a liability in your experience? If an asset, how do you make the best out of it?

I met one in Lisbon recently and we went out one night, but i was so focused on running game on her (she told me she was "only" 80% lesbian after all!) that i missed a lot of chances with other girls we met.

In retrospect the right move was to treat her as a buddy of mine and just meet girls together. She's a bit weird and definitely not a player, but i guess she's got better access to female-only circles and maybe could serve as preselection.

(Also, we could have kept in touch and maybe she'd have introduced me to other gals.)

Thoughts?

Would she have made a good wing, was she chill and comfortable doing that?

I've never done that (winged with a lesbian) but I'd have her as preselection mainly, and to keep my socials greased with feminine energy while I did my thing.

 

[Rancorous]

When a woman says she's "lesbian" odds are she's either lying or bi. Less than 2% of women identify as lesbian.

I got tired of women telling me that so I looked up the stats on it. Yeah they were lying to me.

 

[Francis]

something Teevster mentioned to me about girl wings was there is a babysitting factor. I think good wings need to be able to fly solo because you are going to need to ditch each other when you isolate someone, etc. and then maybe regroup, etc.

so if the lesbian can handle that... preselection's a powerful thing.

my only experience with an actual lesbian (who had been married to a woman... I think only ever been with one man early in life... and is apparently now engaged to another woman) was through using lots of investment (and incidental touching, tension, etc.). after knowing her for a couple months and going on a few "dates" for practice, I asked her to pick something up for me (used item) in another town she was going to. she spotted me a few hundred bucks and when she dropped it off, I fucked her on a folding chair and then the floor. strongest orgasm convulsions I've seen since.

 

[Rancorous]

something Teevster mentioned to me about girl wings was there is a babysitting factor. I think good wings need to be able to fly solo because you are going to need to ditch each other when you isolate someone, etc. and then maybe regroup, etc.

so if the lesbian can handle that... preselection's a powerful thing.

my only experience with an actual lesbian (who had been married to a woman... I think only ever been with one man early in life... and is apparently now engaged to another woman) was through using lots of investment (and incidental touching, tension, etc.). after knowing her for a couple months and going on a few "dates" for practice, I asked her to pick something up for me (used item) in another town she was going to. she spotted me a few hundred bucks and when she dropped it off, I fucked her on a folding chair and then the floor. strongest orgasm convulsions I've seen since.

Nice!

Yeah I remember seeing this one woman at the bar that had short hair. She looked a dyke. I ended up making out with her and banging her on a hammock outside her business. Then a couple months later I see her at the casino and took her back to my place for another round. Then she got married.

 

[Higher]

Thanks for your responses guys.

@Will_V –

Would she have made a good wing, was she chill and comfortable doing that?

Not sure about winging, i don't think she's ever done that.

She seemed like an AFC to me—simping for women in her country and telling me multiple times how cute the waitress is (before i told her to "just man up and tell her already" lol). Just like an AFC high-school buddy. I suppose she needed some exp/guidance.

I realized the potential only a couple days later.

@KJ Francis –

something Teevster mentioned to me about girl wings was there is a babysitting factor. I think good wings need to be able to fly solo because you are going to need to ditch each other when you isolate someone, etc. and then maybe regroup, etc.

Good point, this gal wouldn't have been autonomous based on what i've seen.

my only experience with an actual lesbian [...] was through using lots of investment [...] after knowing her for a couple months and going on a few "dates" for practice

So basically long game. That was the play. This might have also opened other doors in her country for me.

Unfortunately i left her a bit ungraciously and never reconnected, but i'll make a note for next time.

 

[Francis]

So basically long game

Yeah and almost friend game cause her outward frame is no interest in the male gender (read body language and compliance, even less reliance on her words than usual), so your interest isn't higher than hers.

While also never actually getting friendzoned which is kind of default for a seducer. Like there's still an undercurrent of sexual tension.

But most important honestly is the investment. It probably wouldn't have happened without the outsize investment providing momentum.

 

[Skills]

Anybody speaking for or against doing night game with a lesbian wing?

Is having a lesbian wing an asset or a liability in your experience? If an asset, how do you make the best out of it?

I met one in Lisbon recently and we went out one night, but i was so focused on running game on her (she told me she was "only" 80% lesbian after all!) that i missed a lot of chances with other girls we met.

In retrospect the right move was to treat her as a buddy of mine and just meet girls together. She's a bit weird and definitely not a player, but i guess she's got better access to female-only circles and maybe could serve as preselection.

(Also, we could have kept in touch and maybe she'd have introduced me to other gals.)

Thoughts?

I sarge with different lesbians, and just because is a "lesbian" does not make a difference, lesbian, gay, trans, straight... Has nothing to do with the ability to be a good or bad wing.... The skills level and how she is as wing is more important... The lesbian i wing with one time i hooked her up with the girl and i fucked a girl, so we did a double pick up (but i was who made it happen)

In my experience, they are too aggressive (they behave like black guys used to sarge back in the days, not now they are soft, my theory is like bottom gay guys behave super feminine over the top, the masculine butch lesbian behave like an overcompensating masculine dude.... (i never gamed with the women looking hot lesbian).... In other words no aa, they open, and they go direct.... meh! However i did game with bi girls (women hot looking girls) this are easier to game with, but i never had as wings, just as fb looking for a prey... (this is good if they are bi)

I met 2 lesbians that had amazing skill levels, and of course they did not need wings.... Why would someone that gets good results need a wing?

i did a post indirectly related to the op : https://www.theskillsmethod.com/deal-transsexuals-gays-lesbians-club/

These rules don't change in selecting a wing:

 

[POB]

When a woman says she's "lesbian" odds are she's either lying or bi. Less than 2% of women identify as lesbian.

I got tired of women telling me that so I looked up the stats on it. Yeah they were lying to me.

There's a big difference between a lesbian and a bi (and here's a water is wet tip about how to indentify them):
- Lesbians get repulsive/competitive behavior around most men...very rare for them to go for male friends.
- Bis have no problem with that, and tend to keep a feminine frame if your approach is solid.

If you see a FF couple and one of them doesn't even look at you, she is the lesbian. If the other one comes talk to you, she is bi. If neither looks a you, both lesbians. If both talk to you, both bi. Of course those are just the odds, but they tend to be like that.

 

[Rancorous]

There's a big difference between a lesbian and a bi (and here's a pro tip about how to indentify them):
- Lesbians get repulsive/competitive behavior around most men...very rare for them to go for male friends.
- Bis have no problem with that, and tend to keep a feminine frame if your approach is solid.

If you see a FF couple and one of them doesn't even look at you, she is the lesbian. If the other one comes talk to you, she is bi. If neither looks a you, both lesbians. If both talk to you, both bi. Of course those are just the odds, but they tend to be like that.

If one of them has short hair and is dressed in more masculine clothes odds are she's a true lesbian.

For some reason they feel like they need to dress like a guy. I never got that. I think they do it because they can.

 

[POB]

If one of them has short hair and is dressed in more masculine clothes odds are she's a true lesbian.

For some reason they feel like they need to dress like a guy. I never got that. I think they do it because they can.

True, those are easier to spot.
I live very close to a lesbian neighborhood.
When I walk down the street, they either ignore me, or give me an ugly grim (I'm tall and muscular, so they hate my guts just because of how I look). Their GFs though, either nod or smile lol. So funny.

 

[Rancorous]

True, those are easier to spot.
I live very close to a lesbian neighborhood.
When I walk down the street, they either ignore me, or give me an ugly grim (I'm tall and muscular, so they hate my guts just because of how I look). Their GFs though, either nod or smile lol. So funny.

I've noticed this. True lesbians are kind of bitchy.

And they make a big deal out of being one.

I tell them "it's just oral and toys. Straight people do oral and toys too."

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

Anybody speaking for or against doing night game with a lesbian wing?

Is having a lesbian wing an asset or a liability in your experience? If an asset, how do you make the best out of it?

I met one in Lisbon recently and we went out one night, but i was so focused on running game on her (she told me she was "only" 80% lesbian after all!) that i missed a lot of chances with other girls we met.

In retrospect the right move was to treat her as a buddy of mine and just meet girls together. She's a bit weird and definitely not a player, but i guess she's got better access to female-only circles and maybe could serve as preselection.

(Also, we could have kept in touch and maybe she'd have introduced me to other gals.)

Thoughts?

I live with a lesbian butcher. Depends on the type of game you are running and everybody is different isn’t a cookie cutter mold.

Mostly with Lesbians I’d say that the only thing that rings true is that all lesbians want *[Some] dick every once in awhile. The one with me sleeps with Scott Pilgrim styled men but not often. I talk with her friends but they are not great looking OR are older then thirty.

Same with the bi chick I live with though I’m always amazed she’s like a female PUA she gets a lot of dick surprisingly. Wouldn’t want to game with her either.

 

[Rancorous]

I live with a lesbian butcher. Depends on the type of game you are running and everybody is different isn’t a cookie cutter mold.

Mostly with Lesbians I’d say that the only thing that rings true is that all lesbians want *[Some] dick every once in awhile. The one with me sleeps with Scott Pilgrim styled men but not often. I talk with her friends but they are not great looking OR are older then thirty.

Same with the bi chick I live with though I’m always amazed she’s like a female PUA she gets a lot of dick surprisingly. Wouldn’t want to game with her either.

Dude, women don't need to be PUA's to get dick. It's literally super easy for them to get laid. They just need to approach any guy and say " you wanna fuck?" Or "Let's have some fun".

 

[Will_V]

Dude, women don't need to be PUA's to get dick. It's literally super easy for them to get laid. They just need to approach any guy and say " you wanna fuck?" Or "Let's have some fun".

Lol that would turn me right off!

I get what you mean though, all she needs to do is leave the door open.

 

[Skills]

Dude, women don't need to be PUA's to get dick. It's literally super easy for them to get laid. They just need to approach any guy and say " you wanna fuck?" Or "Let's have some fun".

correct! and the idea that "lesbians" want some dick sus.... I did a post on "women game" tldr is suck good dick, fuck good, look good... done

if they want dick they are bi.... Is like saying a "Straight guy" sometimes want to suck a dick...

total none sense

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

Dude, women don't need to be PUA's to get dick. It's literally super easy for them to get laid. They just need to approach any guy and say " you wanna fuck?" Or "Let's have some fun".

I don’t think it works as well as you think. Not sure how true the studies are, but I’ve read several articles that point to people having less sex.

IF it was so easy for chicks to get laid in 2026 wouldn’t it logically then not be necessary have a multi billion dollar industries from clothing, make up etc? Should get that chick who does dating articles to do a post on here again.

correct! and the idea that "lesbians" want some dick sus.... I did a post on "women game" tldr is suck good dick, fuck good, look good... done

if they want dick they are bi.... Is like saying a "Straight guy" sometimes want to suck a dick...

total none sense

I keep it simple usually don’t want to go in depth into the LGBTQ+ it’s always a lame convo. Don’t understand why Americans focus endlessly on it.

 

[Francis]

@Teevster 's epilogue here is essential relevant reading

Attraction - Can it be Generated? - An Introduction to Compliance-Based Game

Lately, due to the confinement, we end up on the forum debating old topics - beating down dead horses. And I find it awesome that we see typical new school pua theory being presented, and perhaps contrasted with the old school way of thinking. Now what is this so-called "new school" ? well...

www.skilledseducer.com

Also consistent with mine above... All about compliance.

 

[Skills]

I don’t think it works as well as you think. Not sure how true the studies are, but I’ve read several articles that point to people having less sex.

IF it was so easy for chicks to get laid in 2026 wouldn’t it logically then not be necessary have a multi billion dollar industries from clothing, make up etc? Should get that chick who does dating articles to do a post on here again.




I keep it simple usually don’t want to go in depth into the LGBTQ+ it’s always a lame convo. Don’t understand why Americans focus endlessly on i

Gen z having less sex is a fact(i been saying this in every review for 5 years)... That has nothing to do with women don't really need game cause they are the buyers... We are the sellers...(common knowledge)

You were the one that went off topic, talking about lesbian wanting Dick... Nothing to do with the op... However i search stats and you are kind of right:

Satistics show a significant portion of women who identify as lesbian have had sex with men, with studies from the late 1990s/early 2000s finding around 77% had a male partner in their lifetime, and about 20-22% had a male partner in the past year, highlighting that sexual behavior and identity aren't always perfectly aligned, and emphasizing the need for comprehensive sexual health histories from all patients, regardless of their self-identified orientation, note Guttmacher Institute.

 

[Francis]

@Higher it could be relevant to consider if she's attractive enough to be beneficial as preselection in addition to winging, can you resist seducing her?

Wonder if it's better to in tandem seduce her with a long term mind for ramping compliance with that aim, or just forget it and effectively friend zone as wings.

Curious if/how the dynamic would change after.