Passport Girls vs Passport Boys

[DurangoMars]

I still don't have permission to make a new topic in General, so I'll make it here while I have it on my mind.

Passport girls. I've been needing to start a discussion on this for a bit as I've seen many girls in my social group over the past few years up and just go overseas on their own. With one latest doing it so comfortably after she told me what she does (hooking up with a man), that I had to make this. Then I realized after a while from hearing the stories that they've went over to hook up with men that were basically hosting them. Which I find funny on many levels.

Men who travel to experience the world and the breadth of more women, it makes sense for us. We pay our own way and it makes sense biologically.

Women on the other hand, I find it rather pathetic. But it is not out of any sense of envy, but disappointment and irony. When women travel, they become international sluts (or prostitutes). Seeking men from lower countries due to losing their value in their own country (often western born). They could not make it here, but they go there for attention. And sometimes a man is ready to settle with her or more. If the man has enough status and money in the other country, she usually does. Especially if she is a lower woman in the western world. But most of the time, women are used for their sex and nothing more. And the woman wants it that way, too, because she knows a man she is going for pleasure is only going to be for that.

The phenomenon has been going on for ages, I'm aware. Women who go on vacation with their friends and they go cheat in another state or country. But women up and leaving on their own wasn't until the 21st century. The fact they go solo and expect it to appear normal to everyone is peculiar to me as someone who saw the fringes of the 20th century thought and then the turn of the new century.

I want to pick everyone's thoughts about this happening and what it is doing for our culture. Personally, this can be a win for men internationally, but the women are still being picky in who they hook up with. Their hypergamy is only expanded globally, and they tend to lower their standards for men they meet internationally or even just cross state because there is a lower chance of anyone finding this out. The fact they are going solo shows even more they are no longer afraid of shame. The ignorant sees them as just exploring the world. But any guy who knows women understands she's not traveling for the same reason men do. We travel for women, but we also travel to expand our horizons. Women have no reason to travel alone save for one single reason.

 

[TimeMachineDAD]

I don't see what is the issue here. Chicks like exotic dick (in carefree non-judgemental context) as much as you like exotic pussy.

Now if the issue is so called double standard, I would say that most useful belief is that our modern culture and basically life itself is just one big shit test made to weed out losers. Do as you are told and you will end up nowhere.

From now on imagine life as a chick asking to hold her fricking handbag.
Just say "of course", take the bag, pull her credit card out of it and buy your crew a round of beers..

 

[gameboy]

life itself is just one big shit test

omg i love this

 

[Skills]

Oh boy! Dude women travel for all kinds of reasons... Never met a girl that travel because of hosting actually i take that back i got a hotel one time in Tennessee and hosted a girl i already banged ons at club...my first time ever that was dumb for obvious reasons mainly stuck with an fb on a hotel for days.... Sex tourist has always been there and is a small segment of population. Then women that travel for biz reasons or to experience a city or culture and yes if you meet them, they tend to be easier cause they are traveling which translates in womanize to nobody will see, no social repercussions and new shinny toy, and cheating doesn't count. But not all...i don't get the op post point... Another under cover red pill, black pill, cope posts....
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[DurangoMars]

But not all...i don't get the op post point... Another under cover red pill, black pill, cope posts....
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Once more, I see again this reach of calling things that are "pill anything."

First, this is not where I come from.

Second, I am, nonetheless, curious why folks like yourself on a seduction forum seem to have a problem with the red pill ideology. From a curiosity standpoint, I've said this before, you guys should be the most interactive with that space, but I'm seeing folks like yourself who are arguing against it.

Why?

 

[Skills]

Once more, I see again this reach of calling things that are "pill anything."

First, this is not where I come from.

Second, I am, nonetheless, curious why folks like yourself on a seduction forum seem to have a problem with the red pill ideology. From a curiosity standpoint, I've said this before, you guys should be the most interactive with that space, but I'm seeing folks like yourself who are arguing against it.

Why?

We're Banning Most Red Pill/Incel/MGTOW/Manosphere Topics. But Not Because We're Afraid...!

Hey fellas, The mods and I had a chat about whether we want to permit guys to start threads on here talking about red pill / manosphere / incel / MGTOW / etc. subjects. If you're just tuning in to that, that includes things like: AWALT/NAWALT Hypergamy The alpha/beta dichotomy...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[DurangoMars]

We're Banning Most Red Pill/Incel/MGTOW/Manosphere Topics. But Not Because We're Afraid...!

Hey fellas, The mods and I had a chat about whether we want to permit guys to start threads on here talking about red pill / manosphere / incel / MGTOW / etc. subjects. If you're just tuning in to that, that includes things like: AWALT/NAWALT Hypergamy The alpha/beta dichotomy...

www.skilledseducer.com

Interesting. I just read through it now. Personally, I would think you need to have those kinds of topics side by side with seduction. I think Chase does himself an injustice by forcing people to read the long list of articles as the direct answer. Things are never that black and white. I do find his articles nice, personally.

My topic right now is to give context of overseas dating and how women are trying to mimick it. It has little to do with redpill and more to do with highlighting the dating world atm. Men's seduction vs women trying to mimic it.

In any case, this isn't meant to come off as the topic that you linked to.

 

[James D]

Totally useless post.

 

[Skills]

Totally useless post.

You starting to sound like someone i know

 

[TimeMachineDAD]

Let's turn lemons to lemonade an totally useless topic into something even half insightful..

My topic right now is to give context of overseas dating and how women are trying to mimick it.

You have totally misunderstood the ASYMMETRY of this situation.
There is nothing for women from rich western countries to to win with geo-arbitrage dating.
Outside of the sex, which is readily availabe for women anyway with the remaining friction removed by dating apps, there are no "higher status" men for them to reach for LTR by leveraging their higher western income.

And honesty, if you understand lover/provider dichotomy at all, I would think again if your idea is that going passport bro is some kind of magic solution for western AFC either. With geo-arbitrage dating, many clueless dudes are just unknowingly entering the professional league straight from the Little League with bullseye painted on their back.

 

[AsianBabe]

@DurangoMars Not sure what your social circle is like, but the women I know typically travel alone primarily to eat good food, sight-see, learn a new language and experience different cultures. Meeting men for them is usually unexpected, secondary or last priority for them. One of the women I know is also a virgin who doesn't drink but travels every few months to a new country. She's also very introverted and keeps to herself a lot so she rarely interacts with locals unless it's necessary.

My circle is mostly 25+ yr old asian/latina-american women with STEM or corporate careers. Most are not IG influencers, nor ravers nor women who club/party/drink often which seem to fit more of the demographic you're speaking of, so maybe that makes a difference too? My friends usually go hiking, bike, pilates/yoga, farmers' market/art fairs/museums, read and make art in their spare time.

Do you have personal examples of american women who lower their standards for international men? It seems some international women lower their standards for american men, also for that green card. I don't have any experience with international men nor know any women who moved abroad and settled with a guy overseas, so I'm curious to hear what their experience is like.

I personally don't travel alone unless it's necessary for a work conference or event/convention, in which case is once or twice a year. Otherwise, I travel with a group or with hubby when his work allows him the PTO.

It seems you prefer women to stay at home unless they're accompanied by their SO, right? That's understandable since women who travel without them are more likely to stray. As for the single women, they can do whatever they want, so how does that hurt anyone?

This topic kind of reminds me of this tweet: "Women should remain pure until marriage, but men should gain experience."
Brah, who are these men gaining experience with? Married, divorced, widowed, attached women and hookers, right? lol

 

[Skills]

@Bismarck anyways guys someone related to op, Bismarck game;

 

[DurangoMars]

Let's turn lemons to lemonade an totally useless topic into something even half insightful..


You have totally misunderstood the ASYMMETRY of this situation.
There is nothing for women from rich western countries to to win with geo-arbitrage dating.
Outside of the sex, which is readily availabe for women anyway with the remaining friction removed by dating apps, there are no "higher status" men for them to reach for LTR by leveraging their higher western income.

And honesty, if you understand lover/provider dichotomy at all, I would think again if your idea is that going passport bro is some kind of magic solution for western AFC either. With geo-arbitrage dating, many clueless dudes are just unknowingly entering the professional league straight from the Little League with bullseye painted on their back.

But a woman will still travel for younger men who are in the prime of their physical status for that validation. Especially from older women. When young women travel, they are being hosted by a man with resources in his country. Sometimes not top tier, but the power balance is still there. And that's not even talking spring break beach games, which is a young person's game from both sexes.

I did not say whether being a passport bro is a good or bad thing. Just that it makes more sense for men to do it. For women, especially alone, is asking for trouble on her part mostly. And it's also a danger to society at large with women thinking they are safe to travel like that. One day, someone we know close or family will do the same thing, then come up missing, which has happened. Women putting themselves out there like men do makes it bizarro world. Corrupts the dynamics.

 

[AsianBabe]

And it's also a danger to society at large with women thinking they are safe to travel like that. One day, someone we know close or family will do the same thing, then come up missing, which has happened. Women putting themselves out there like men do makes it bizarro world.

I don't know any women who thinks it's completely safe to travel alone.. even when they go to Japan, where it's supposedly the safest at night, there are still men who try to grope them or traffick them into yakuza types of situations. This is why we tend to be hypervigilant when alone, often carrying pepper spray/knives in the states, taken self-defense classes and don't often go outside at night in the wrong area.

I don't think we'll ever get to a point where women at large will think it's completely safe traveling alone. We know there is always a risk. But the ones who are more impulsive than others will overlook the risks.

 

[TimeMachineDAD]

This topic kind of reminds me of this tweet: "Women should remain pure until marriage, but men should gain experience."
Brah, who are these men gaining experience with? Married, divorced, widowed, attached women and hookers, right? lol

With eachother?

I think there is lot nuance to this. As with many "red pill truths" red pillers are in their angst, mixing functional strategy for single sex with something "that should just be".

And I won't be popular on this forum for pointing these out, because THESE ARE UNISEX, with only few biological asymmetries that I know of.

1. Higher bodycount makes you worse candidate for LTR (no matter if you are man or woman)
- Traits that help you trigger attraction are pretty much orthogonal to traits that help you keep relationship happy
- PU skills have more overlap, but not that much. Relationship skills are pretty much different skillset from PU skills.
- Having a abundance mentality makes it much more easier for you to GFTOW(or men) when things turn difficult in your relationship
- After you have gotten somewhere on your PU journey, falling love naturally is much more unlikely. You learn to control your emotions and avoid oneitis( which is pretty much the passionate love from Helen Fishers three loves theory). You learn that no chick is special and it's much easier to find a new one that try to fix existing etc. Also after fucking enough chicks with BFs/husbands there is general tendency to feel that relationships are fools game. (this all happened to me)

BUT

2. Life is just one big shittest. And it's not fair. And there is strong power asymmetry in play here.
- Most normal people are not choosing their partners with their rational mind. Especially if the relationship starts naturally. People just generally meet, fuck,keep fucking and slide into relationship.
- For males attraction is the actual gatekeeper in our society and being a nice provider-type guy is pure shit.(*) (For females, it's little bit different, getting the good candidate into relationship is the gatekeeper )
- If you are good in PU/Seduction you will have enormously better access. You actually meet lot of potential candidates by cold approaching and when you actually meet person that is good candidate for LTR you can actually get her(or him). ( https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-look-girlfriend , https://www.girlschase.com/content/find-right-girl-what-look-potential-girlfriend) (Sorry didn't find resources for how to pick BF )

3. Nuanced answer is that you should learn to PU, but to also know that it comes with consequences
- You might end up in situation where you might not be able to "naturally" fall in love with girl anymore like AFCs do.
- Forming a strong mutual bond for a relationship even with a great girl might need actual work from your part to be actually vulnerable. Without it you are missing really big part of what makes long term relationships worthwhile.

(* The only other difference is that men seem to be able to bond (=Attachment part of Helen Fisher's theory) trough vasopressing also, not only trough oxytocin. So pushing trough challenges together can also bond men strongly. Oxytocin(eye gazing, skin contact and orgasming together ) bonds both sexes but might be pretty shot after enough chicks.

 

[topcat]

With eachother?

I think there is lot nuance to this. As with many "red pill truths" red pillers are in their angst, mixing functional strategy for single sex with something "that should just be".

And I won't be popular on this forum for pointing these out, because THESE ARE UNISEX, with only few biological asymmetries that I know of.

1. Higher bodycount makes you worse candidate for LTR (no matter if you are man or woman)
- Traits that help you trigger attraction are pretty much orthogonal to traits that help you keep relationship happy
- PU skills have more overlap, but not that much. Relationship skills are pretty much different skillset from PU skills.
- Having a abundance mentality makes it much more easier for you to GFTOW(or men) when things turn difficult in your relationship
- After you have gotten somewhere on your PU journey, falling love naturally is much more unlikely. You learn to control your emotions and avoid oneitis( which is pretty much the passionate love from Helen Fishers three loves theory). You learn that no chick is special and it's much easier to find a new one that try to fix existing etc. Also after fucking enough chicks with BFs/husbands there is general tendency to feel that relationships are fools game. (this all happened to me)

BUT

2. Life is just one big shittest. And it's not fair. And there is strong power asymmetry in play here.
- Most normal people are not choosing their partners with their rational mind. Especially if the relationship starts naturally. People just generally meet, fuck,keep fucking and slide into relationship.
- For males attraction is the actual gatekeeper in our society and being a nice provider-type guy is pure shit.(*) (For females, it's little bit different, getting the good candidate into relationship is the gatekeeper )
- If you are good in PU/Seduction you will have enormously better access. You actually meet lot of potential candidates by cold approaching and when you actually meet person that is good candidate for LTR you can actually get her(or him). ( https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-look-girlfriend , https://www.girlschase.com/content/find-right-girl-what-look-potential-girlfriend) (Sorry didn't find resources for how to pick BF )

3. Nuanced answer is that you should learn to PU, but to also know that it comes with consequences
- You might end up in situation where you might not be able to "naturally" fall in love with girl anymore like AFCs do.
- Forming a strong mutual bond for a relationship even with a great girl might need actual work from your part to be actually vulnerable. Without it you are missing really big part of what makes long term relationships worthwhile.

(* The only other difference is that men seem to be able to bond (=Attachment part of Helen Fisher's theory) trough vasopressing also, not only trough oxytocin. So pushing trough challenges together can also bond men strongly. Oxytocin(eye gazing, skin contact and orgasming together ) bonds both sexes but might be pretty shot after enough chicks.

Good post. Agreed on the point that high bodycount makes men worse off for relationships. I think the mentality that drives one there makes one naturally incompatible with LTRs.

 

[POB]

Good post. Agreed on the point that high bodycount makes men worse off for relationships. I think the mentality that drives one there makes one naturally incompatible with LTRs.

Most guys that really learn PU usually find it after some failed relationships.
That last bad split is what breaks the camel's back, so they say: "enough of this BS".
Meaning they tried to follow the norm, but it didn't suit them.

Main issue is that the norm exists for a reason.
Not like it is today, where it tries to enslave us and rip us off, but like a healthy man-to-woman deeper relationship, filled with love, which eventually leads to raising a family (with kids or not, cause you and her as a stable couple can be a family in itself).

If the pendulum swings too much in any of those directions (player or provider) it generates dissonance and an unbalanced life.
This is the ultimate challenge: how to balance both sides of the spectrum according to what you need.

 

[Bismarck]

@Bismarck anyways guys someone related to op, Bismarck game;

I'm here man are you flagging the borderline trollish red pill content of the OP?

If so no worries we are monitoring the situation closely.

 

[Skills]

I'm here man are you flagging the borderline trollish red pill content of the OP?

If so no worries we are monitoring the situation closely.

Not at all I am autistic posted wrong video is this one, your game:

 

[DurangoMars]

I'm here man are you flagging the borderline trollish red pill content of the OP?

If so no worries we are monitoring the situation closely.

How is it "trollish red pill content"?