Permission to get em obsessed? The last morality struggle from playerdom

[Average]

Hey guys,

So I've cruised through Ricardus's relationship series and I believe that I have hit a bit of a morality wall....again. Though this may be the final wall hindering me from getting consistent sexual results, depending on the answer.

In one of the posts, Ricardus states that girls tend to become obsessed with you, since that is what love is during the passion phase. But he also states that girls are drama bombs in relationships (as I have witnessed time and again).

And from a lot of sources on the internet, I also tend to hear that women gain more and more psychological problems the more casual sex they have (need confirmation on this one though).

So:

Can I seduce multiple women anyway?

I just need to know if society has overblown the negative effects of being a lover. Or if I can actually have my cake, eat it too and keep the smoking chef happy and psychologically healthy as well.

Here's my strategy:

1. Hit on girl and get into a sexual relationship with her WITHOUT acting boyfriendy nor making empty promises. Keep it honest without violating Queen Theory.
2. Let the drama flow so I can deal with it AND allow her to fall in love with me as though she is my only girl.
3. Do it again until I have enough women to sleep with on a somewhat consistent basis.
4. If the obsession phase runs its course, I politely enter the backstage and possibly continue the fuckery from time to time And move on to new pastures.

This way I have 2 or 3 women (or as many as I can keep addicted to me) with enough emotional and sexual care to keep me elated for the year.

Sooooooooo, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being not bad at all and 10 being extremely dickwad, how immoral would this be?

I don't want to fuck people up psychologically. Nor do I want to get into permanent relationships with em. Even if it takes more effort on my part to keep her sane and achieve everything I hedonistically desire, I really wouldn't mind.

Another strategy I could use is:

1. Get girl in love with me
2. Enjoy extremely sexual relationship with her
3. Move on to a new woman once the passion phase has run its course

Keep in mind that I've still only fucked one girl in my entire lifetime. And that was only early last year. So if the first strategy CAN work, but not for a beginner like me who has no clue how passionate drama filled relationships work and will cause more harm to her than good, then please tell me. If both strategies are just too morally wrong to conduct, please let me know as well. I suppose that this post needs a request from Advanced or intermediate seducers.

But most importantly, I really need a strategy dictating what to do if I want to achieve stuff now. Whether its the stuff I want, or the stuff I need or just any sort of progress from here on out. Even if it's just a tiny bit. I don't mind, I just want something to work on in the seduction realm.

But either way, I feel confident that answering this question will sway me in the right path towards progression and results. By any means necessary.

bonus: I realized that if you want a passionate sexual relationship with someone, the person needs to live closeby or be easily accessible enough to come into contact with everyday or something. So target ladies around your Student accommodations instead of the ones that travel from far, the ladies that can be reached with a car and a fuel budget, etc.

As always, all forms of advice and criticism are fully welcomed and vastly appreciated.

 

[radeng]

As a beginner you seem to be over analyzing a bit here ash.

You’re probably a little bit away from even being able to accomplish this at all and until you can you won’t be able to truly understand it. That being said, casual relationships are common and both women and men alike seek them out. Some girls will naturally care about you more than others but typically this takes a while and is best accomplished while you are seeing other girls. Most girls won’t just be in love with you after sleeping with you.

Set expectations correctly and be honest and tactful and you can date multiple women at a time without breaking anyone’s heart. At your stage, you’re just as likely to get your heart broken as you are to break one. Remember that crushes are common and girls are resilient. They also live in abundance and can replace you faster than you can replace them in most cases if they wanted to. There are also plenty of female players.

The real answer here is to go out and try to get good with girls period and get good at the intermediate steps before you start planning or debating the final ones.

If I was teaching you to swim, I wouldn’t start by explaining the butterfly stroke. Even if you asked, it wouldn’t help you. You’d need to be used to the water and staying afloat for a long time before learning advanced mechanics.

Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t read about or ignore these things, it just means you shouldn’t be worrying about them.

Cross the advanced bridges when you get there.

As far as morality is concerned that’s up to you. I personally cut girls off if I feel they are attached to limit any emotional pain they may feel for me. Some guys prefer to manage longer relationships. That is a personal answer that’s totally up to you.

Cheers,
Radeng

 

[Richard]

Ash,

Rad already gave you solid feedback so I'm going to open up a little bit more on this topic.

You absolutely can seduce multiple women while minimizing drama. Morality is entirely personal BUT I will tell you that I know several guys who run mLTRs and women stay pretty happy and content but it requires YOU having quite a bit of mental fortitude to run it successfully.

The way things like this typically work is you sleep with a girl and consciously hold back on moving things towards something more serious (lasts about 3 months) but the time will come when a woman asks you "So, what are we?" and at that point you give her one of about three talks (this is where you set an expectation for her) and she decides what she wants to do. If a girl accepts this frame (and surprisingly, a lot of girls will) then you're able to keep seeing and meeting new women without much drama.

However, as Rad said, you don't yet have the experience to jump to some conclusions such as not wanting permanent relationships because that's too black and white. For one, you're going to change as a person as time goes on so your wants/needs are going to change; you'll probably find that when you have multiple fuckbuddies you'll want a mostly monogamous relationship. Technically, the "best" relationship you could run is one where a girl is monogamous to you AND let's you sleep with other women which is possible but very very hard to pull off so I don't recommend it.

I suggest you look in to mLTR and oLTR systems and that's probably your best bet to start playing around with proven systems that other successful guys have ran and refined. GirlsChase has stuff on dating/fucking multiple women and the best page aside from GC would probably be BlackDragon's Blog.

I guess the biggest thing to take away from my post is that you have a lot more options than you're limiting yourself to in this post and I encourage you to explore those options.

-Richard

 

[Average]

Awesome awesome awesome awesome stuff!!!!!

As a beginner you seem to be over analyzing a bit here ash.

yeah, I tend to do that a lot

You’re probably a little bit away from even being able to accomplish this at all and until you can you won’t be able to truly understand it. That being said, casual relationships are common and both women and men alike seek them out. Some girls will naturally care about you more than others but typically this takes a while and is best accomplished while you are seeing other girls. Most girls won’t just be in love with you after sleeping with you.

So my take away from this is that I'm harmless. Which is so perfect. That's the exact answer that I was looking for. So many guys avoid dating women initially because of the "moral" setbacks that they face. So revealing them as the illusions that they are opens the flood gates of skill that a man can learn through the vigorous exercise that is the game. Women being emotionally delicate is a pretty huge moral setback (with some sparks of truth to it). Not only does it keep you back, but it also hides the possibility of them having a more darker side. A dirtier side. The fun side

The naturals that I know set this aside and kept learning how to charm women into relationships through good old grinding.

Just imagine how far a lot of guys would have been if they had become serial daters instead of serial "do the right thing and don't date her even though it's truly got almost nothing to do with morality"

Set expectations correctly and be honest and tactful and you can date multiple women at a time without breaking anyone’s heart. At your stage, you’re just as likely to get your heart broken as you are to break one. Remember that crushes are common and girls are resilient. They also live in abundance and can replace you faster than you can replace them in most cases if they wanted to. There are also plenty of female players.

Fantastic!

I don't mind if she lets me go. I can handle the pain. Besides that, as a man you can approach as many women as you wish. So that is grounds for a tiny bit of abundance mentality. And I've improved a lot since I began here, so I am indeed grateful for that. As a result it improved my skills, and thus my level of success, and thus, my abundance mentality.

If I can begin my journey into the relationship aspect of things, then I can improve skills that I couldn't improve as a mere pickup artist. Such as my long term leadership skills, drama handling skills, jealousy, keeping things exciting and fresh, etc.

As long as I'm not mentally damaging people, then everyone can do whatever they want

The real answer here is to go out and try to get good with girls period and get good at the intermediate steps before you start planning or debating the final ones.

I agree. However, what I was thinking is that there comes a point when one has no choice but to get into a relationship of some kind with women before they start improving again. Sure, you can improve yourself quite vastly before then. And it will definitely be challenging enough to keep you busy until you reach a desired level. However, relationships are an integral part in the seduction arena. And like many things, the only way that you can learn how to be good at it is to actually go out there and practice it.

And judging by the lack of results I had for the past century, I believe that this is the obstacle that I've been staring at. This is my next step!

I've also noticed that specific pleasures that we want as men seem to be exclusively accessible only through women who have a relationship with you. Whether it is casual, romantic or otherwise. Which is why I think that going through this would be the next breakthrough during the learning curve.

I think it looks like this:

Work on yourself >>> Work on getting rid of your fears >>>>> Work on being able to socialise with women >>>>> Work on making progress with women (to bed) >>>>> Work on getting relationships with women (which is basically the previous section happening over and over with the same woman)

I used to be saddened at the prospect of how low your successes are in comparison to your failures when it comes to seduction. However, for now, it seems like that doesn't matter if you can keep sexing up a girl (and a few more) on a regular basis.

If I was teaching you to swim, I wouldn’t start by explaining the butterfly stroke. Even if you asked, it wouldn’t help you. You’d need to be used to the water and staying afloat for a long time before learning advanced mechanics.

Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t read about or ignore these things, it just means you shouldn’t be worrying about them.

Cross the advanced bridges when you get there.

Thanks man. I'll keep it simple enough for me to pull off and try not to mess things up for myself. However, a lot of people know that I'm not really into the whole marriage thing already. So half the time I try pulling off some lower intermediate stuff just to keep things from blowing into autorejection. So I'll just use some advanced enough swimming techniques to stay afloat. Afterall:

Beginner or not, one cannot doggy paddle against a tsunami.

As far as morality is concerned that’s up to you. I personally cut girls off if I feel they are attached to limit any emotional pain they may feel for me. Some guys prefer to manage longer relationships. That is a personal answer that’s totally up to you.

Cheers,
Radeng

Thanks man. You helped me pass a huge cinder-block of a wall. And then CONTINUE to give me solid advice after that. I greatly appreciate it man and I will always be grateful for it

Ash,

Rad already gave you solid feedback so I'm going to open up a little bit more on this topic.

You absolutely can seduce multiple women while minimizing drama. Morality is entirely personal BUT I will tell you that I know several guys who run mLTRs and women stay pretty happy and content but it requires YOU having quite a bit of mental fortitude to run it successfully.

Yeah, one of my teachers told me that that's the case when I told him that I want to live the perfect life. I don't mind. If that's what it takes then that's what I'll do.

The way things like this typically work is you sleep with a girl and consciously hold back on moving things towards something more serious (lasts about 3 months) but the time will come when a woman asks you "So, what are we?" and at that point you give her one of about three talks (this is where you set an expectation for her) and she decides what she wants to do. If a girl accepts this frame (and surprisingly, a lot of girls will) then you're able to keep seeing and meeting new women without much drama.

XD Can't wait

However, as Rad said, you don't yet have the experience to jump to some conclusions such as not wanting permanent relationships because that's too black and white. For one, you're going to change as a person as time goes on so your wants/needs are going to change; you'll probably find that when you have multiple fuckbuddies you'll want a mostly monogamous relationship. Technically, the "best" relationship you could run is one where a girl is monogamous to you AND let's you sleep with other women which is possible but very very hard to pull off so I don't recommend it.

I suggest you look in to mLTR and oLTR systems and that's probably your best bet to start playing around with proven systems that other successful guys have ran and refined. GirlsChase has stuff on dating/fucking multiple women and the best page aside from GC would probably be BlackDragon's Blog.

Alright, I'll check it out. I'll check everything out. Pride and ego are usually the things that cause a winning man to lose. Which is another reason why I was afraid of commitment. I was (and still am) afraid of eventual failure with her. As then I could have fucked her up and embarrassed us both. But if she can take it and even expects it, then I'll try not to worry about it too much and focus on keeping the good good and avoiding the bad.

And also keep my empathy high during the bad moments so I don't turn a bad moment into a bad identity for the relationship. I'll try to make the best decisions as I possibly can for her and for me.

I guess the biggest thing to take away from my post is that you have a lot more options than you're limiting yourself to in this post and I encourage you to explore those options.

-Richard

Thanks bro. I'm not done growing yet. The world is quite huge. And rarely does a person ever experience it all. So I'll keep tasting it all. The secret societies. The highs. The lows. Everything.

I'm extremely excited over this lesson as it feels as though I've been seeking this for years and have finally found it. Backed up by TWO tribal elders!!

It just goes to show that no matter how hard the challenges are, or how time consuming the plateaus are, there is always a solution to it. And that is why I will always keep the fire burning