Pretty good recent interview with Neil Strauss...

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Great. So, only advanced guys should do cold approach. Newbies should stick to online cus we thankfully live in a post-consent age. Also newbies should just wait around until a woman gives indication of interest and build social skill from there.

Got it. Amazing.

Ahhhh.. YEAH dude?
There’s been cases in the UK, Scotland and the USA of guys getting arrested and charged for harassing /stalking chicks by cold approaching. Cos the guys are too autist to pick up the signals from the woman that she’s NOT INTERESTED.

they think they just have to ‘plow’ on.

Moreso im talking about this new popular direct approach of “ I thought you were cute so I had to come talk to you” that’s become widespread now .indiscriminate direct approaching. X women per day ideas. Thats also dumb AF.and It doesn’t work.

clearly, when guys are posting stats like “I’ve done 1,000 approaches and only got 1 date /lay ..what am I doing wrong?”

That’s a 1% conversion rate

and other idiots advising them to “keep going bro!”…

THATS retarded.

plus , a guy can’t get rejected 999 times and not feel it.

Thats the road to mental problems..

I never said stick to online. A guy ought to have a decent number of lays , understand signals and know what he is doing pretty well firstly .then go indirect where chances are good. Build social comfort firstly. A woman will give hints she’s open to a seduction/pickup.

you have no idea what you’re talking about

See above.

 

[MrVariety]

Ahhhh.. YEAH dude?
There’s been cases in the UK, Scotland and the USA of guys getting arrested and charged for harassing /stalking chicks by cold approaching. Cos the guys are too autist to pick up the signals from the woman that she’s NOT INTERESTED.

they think they just have to ‘plow’ on.

Moreso im talking about this new popular direct approach of “ I thought you were cute so I had to come talk to you” that’s become widespread now .indiscriminate direct approaching. X women per day ideas. Thats also dumb AF.and It doesn’t work.

clearly, when guys are posting stats like “I’ve done 1,000 approaches and only got 1 date /lay ..what am I doing wrong?”

That’s a 1% conversion rate

and other idiots advising them to “keep going bro!”…

THATS retarded.

plus , a guy can’t get rejected 999 times and not feel it.

Thats the road to mental problems..

I never said stick to online. A guy ought to have a decent number of lays , understand signals and know what he is doing pretty well firstly .then go indirect where chances are good. Build social comfort firstly. A woman will give hints she’s open to a seduction/pickup.


See above.

I agree that what you're talking about is retarded. And it's exactly why I hate what Mr. Strauss is saying.

When Mr. Strauss is saying that we live in a post-consent age and we should be moving into a direction in society where women give consent before being approached, he's talking about the virtue of the bubble wrap that online dating provides.

And here's the kicker: when guys are told not to cold approach - you're actually exacerbating the problem - because the reason guys are getting arrested is because they are too unskilled socially - and women have no skin to tolerate anything - so the police has to be involved. Dating is becoming a weird autistic safe zone with microaggressions and trigger warnings.

You say that guys should learn social skills by approaching interested women. Problem is if a guy lacks any sort of social skills he's not going to be reliably read women's interests in the first place. I am at a point now, after countless of thousands of cold approaches - where I can tell - as by the subtle energy she's emitting - whether she's receptive or not and almost all the women I talk to are friendly to me because of this calibration. And I'm still very often surprised how wrong I am. In any case, this wouldn't have happened had I not "bothered" so many women.

Having said that. Yes, I am on board that solely focusing on women as a means to develop social skills is not ideal. I have my own beef with the whole concept of day gaming and making approaches and lays numerical values to be tracked on a excel sheet.

MV

 

[Skills]

I agree that what you're talking about is retarded. And it's exactly why I hate what Mr. Strauss is saying.

When Mr. Strauss is saying that we live in a post-consent age and we should be moving into a direction in society where women give consent before being approached, he's talking about the virtue of the bubble wrap that online dating provides.

And here's the kicker: when guys are told not to cold approach - you're actually exacerbating the problem - because the reason guys are getting arrested is because they are too unskilled socially - and women have no skin to tolerate anything - so the police has to be involved. Dating is becoming a weird autistic safe zone with microaggressions and trigger warnings.

You say that guys should learn social skills by approaching interested women. Problem is if a guy lacks any sort of social skills he's not going to be reliably read women's interests in the first place. I am at a point now, after countless of thousands of cold approaches - where I can tell - as by the subtle energy she's emitting - whether she's receptive or not and almost all the women I talk to are friendly to me because of this calibration. And I'm still very often surprised how wrong I am. In any case, this wouldn't have happened had I not "bothered" so many women.

Having said that. Yes, I am on board that solely focusing on women as a means to develop social skills is not ideal. I have my own beef with the whole concept of day gaming and making approaches and lays numerical values to be tracked on a excel sheet.

MV

Brother Neil again context is actually trashing dating apps....

He saying same shit me and others have said about dating apps... How easy and exhausting they are and lead to burn out...

I know cause me and Neil are in similar trajectory when he got divorced he tried the apps that were not around when he waa married... I did the same after my 10 year break up and he was explaining the difference between that and cold approach in a really cool accurate perspective...

You interviewed all of the above as:
- he is turning his back on pick up

- he is encouraging guys no to cold approach...

Brother i am seriously trying to understand your lack of understanding...

 

[MrVariety]

Brother i am seriously trying to understand your lack of understanding...

The combination of the language barrier and the patronizing jabbing is making the dialog insufferable for me. I'm sorry that I can't make out half of what you're saying sometimes.

MV

 

[famineofcrows]

Cos the guys are too autist to pick up the signals from the woman that she’s NOT INTERESTED.

they think they just have to ‘plow’ on.

I'm guessing that they can indeed sense her disinterest, but they've been fooled by coaches into thinking you can turn a clear no into a yes with pushpull and the rest of 'game'.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I agree that what you're talking about is retarded. And it's exactly why I hate what Mr. Strauss is saying.

When Mr. Strauss is saying that we live in a post-consent age and we should be moving into a direction in society where women give consent before being approached, he's talking about the virtue of the bubble wrap that online dating provides.

And here's the kicker: when guys are told not to cold approach - you're actually exacerbating the problem - because the reason guys are getting arrested is because they are too unskilled socially - and women have no skin to tolerate anything - so the police has to be involved. Dating is becoming a weird autistic safe zone with microaggressions and trigger warnings.

You say that guys should learn social skills by approaching interested women. Problem is if a guy lacks any sort of social skills he's not going to be reliably read women's interests in the first place. I am at a point now, after countless of thousands of cold approaches - where I can tell - as by the subtle energy she's emitting - whether she's receptive or not and almost all the women I talk to are friendly to me because of this calibration. And I'm still very often surprised how wrong I am. In any case, this wouldn't have happened had I not "bothered" so many women.

Having said that. Yes, I am on board that solely focusing on women as a means to develop social skills is not ideal. I have my own beef with the whole concept of day gaming and making approaches and lays numerical values to be tracked on a excel sheet.

MV

I haven’t watched the full interview yet tbh.
Only skimmed and know the LMS part of the interview in detail already from another section of video I posted up previously.

so we agree on the basis of retardation . Cool.

re my bolded sections of your reply.
You are saying you hate what Strauss is saying and if I understand your point , that it is a ‘catch -22 ‘situation.
But not really. The answer is logical and rational.

these ‘DJs in training’ guys need to practice their skills in bars and clubs firstly - the environment where pickup behaviour is expected and accepted - (Durr?) That’s why bars and clubs exist…

THEN , when they have success go to the street later

these fools think they can circumvent Bars and clubs (its too hard, competition) and ‘hack’ /shortcut pickup of women via day game (claiming it’s easier …lol)

Street game requires a MUCH bigger understanding of women . And lot of smoothness , suaveness and a wider understanding of the situation, and the womans requirements. Especially - *discretion* - it’s the busy day time and other women and people are watching,

so a wise guy will be indirect, not direct,

so this propagation of “Direct Day Game” is totally fucking stupid. I don’t know who started it but it caught on like wildfire since.
Whoever he was, he ought to be hanged tbh. Or at least given a very hard slap to the face and told ‘stfu you autist !’

probably the RSD guys made it widespread.
RSD =‘Retarded Social Dysfunction ‘more like.

also Strauss is smart , he toned down and changed his narrative for PR purposes and his career. After JulienGate , and he was the ‘inventor’ of the problem and the Star of PuA via his pickup book

 

[MrVariety]

I haven’t watched the full interview yet tbh.
Only skimmed and know the LMS part of the interview in detail already from another section of video I posted up previously.

so we agree on the basis of retardation . Cool.

re my bolded sections of your reply.
You are saying you hate what Strauss is saying and if I understand your point , that it is a ‘catch -22 ‘situation.
But not really. The answer is logical and rational.

these ‘DJs in training’ guys need to practice their skills in bars and clubs firstly - the environment where pickup behaviour is expected and accepted - (Durr?) That’s why bars and clubs exist…

THEN , when they have success go to the street later

these fools think they can circumvent Bars and clubs (its too hard, competition) and ‘hack’ /shortcut pickup of women via day game (claiming it’s easier …lol)

Street game requires a MUCH bigger understanding of women . And lot of smoothness , suaveness and a wider understanding of the situation, and the womans requirements. Especially - *discretion* - it’s the busy day time and other women and people are watching,

so a wise guy will be indirect, not direct,

so this propagation of “Direct Day Game” is totally fucking stupid. I don’t know who started it but it caught on like wildfire since.
Whoever he was, he ought to be hanged tbh. Or at least given a very hard slap to the face and told ‘stfu you autist !’

probably the RSD guys made it widespread.
RSD =‘Retarded Social Dysfunction ‘more like.

also Strauss is smart , he toned down and changed his narrative for PR purposes and his career. After JulienGate , and he was the ‘inventor’ of the problem and the Star of PuA via his pickup book

Yes. That’s exactly right. Daygaming is a terrible way to get volume on seduction. I can’t remember RSD ever teaching it. Tyler would make fun of guys who had the time to roam the streets in the middle of the day scouting for a hot girl

Back to Strauss. Yes he’s intelligent. Yes he’s a great writer. He’s actually one of my favorite authors - but he’s a despicable human.

its deeper than just #metoo. Read his book The Truth to see what’s going on.

Essentially he’s on a mission to pathologise pick up artists by weaponizing attachment theory against them calling them «avoidants» so he can now make a buck off them funneling guys into expensive and long lasting therapy programs ( replacing pick up boot camps) drying their pocket and self agency so that they too one day become successful and happily married (for 3 years, lol) like him. Genius capitalist - yes - Therapy hell is real and the etiology obsession grinds my nerves and is sad to watch.

MV

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Yes. That’s exactly right. Daygaming is a terrible way to get volume on seduction. I can’t remember RSD ever teaching it. Tyler would make fun of guys who had the time to roam the streets in the middle of the day scouting for a hot girl

Back to Strauss. Yes he’s intelligent. Yes he’s a great writer. He’s actually one of my favorite authors - but he’s a despicable human.

its deeper than just #metoo. Read his book The Truth to see what’s going on.

Essentially he’s on a mission to pathologise pick up artists by weaponizing attachment theory against them calling them «avoidants» so he can now make a buck off them funneling guys into expensive and long lasting therapy programs ( replacing pick up boot camps) drying their pocket and self agency so that they too one day become successful and happily married (for 3 years, lol) like him. Genius capitalist - yes - Therapy hell is real and the etiology obsession grinds my nerves and is sad to watch.

MV

Interesting take.
But how would Neil Strauss benefit from funnelling guys into therapy programs or Rehabs .. ? He doesn’t own either afaik? He still primarily making his money as an Author and a relationships talking head on interviews .

I loved his book The Truth. I thought he was pretty honest (albeit had a PR agenda too) in showing what happened him when he “got Game” .. ie he couldn’t turn it off.

And he was stuck in sex-addition-for-validation loop , because of his inherent Low Self Esteem.

So he kept cheating on his Mrs until he got caught . And went to Sed Addiction Rehab.

I found it extremely informative,
Because the same thing happened to me more or less. From following the Pickup Artist pathway.

that’s actually what it’s all about underneath everything. Which was great to have it pointed out. By the guy that launched a million PUA copycats.

James

 

[Skills]

The combination of the language barrier and the patronizing jabbing is making the dialog insufferable for me. I'm sorry that I can't make out half of what you're saying sometimes.

MV

I see, coincidence same happen with 2 interviews with Neil..... I think me and Neil have a lot in common then...

 

[Skills]

Essentially he’s on a mission to pathologise pick up artists by weaponizing attachment theory against them calling them «avoidants» so he can now make a buck off them funneling guys into expensive and long lasting therapy programs ( replacing pick up boot camps) drying their pocket and self agency so that they too one day become successful and happily married (for 3 years, lol) like him. Genius capitalist - yes - Therapy hell is real and the etiology obsession grinds my nerves and is sad to watch.

MV

I read the book owned it, did not get that at all from the book.... he discusses about the truth in the interview i posted...

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

@Skills

you said somewhere here on thread that NS was an effective PUA. If not ‘The best’.

I agree
He wrote a great book and a bestseller. (Based on MM . And that hundreds of other new ‘coaches’ jumped on the back of and stole from to profit)

But importantly he’s the only guy really with verifiable results .
Like, there is plenty of verifiable proof that he actually could pickup and get lays, with decently hot chicks !

Eg
That tall Lisa L chick in the book = very bangeable.

he was banging a short haired brunette ‘pua groupie ‘chick that was an ex GF of another ‘sex coach’ pua dude, = she was sexy and bangeable

He’s also fucked a few porn stars I believe ( whatever re them being porno , they were sexy looking at least , decent bodied)

his blondie Mexican ex wife was somewhat of a model I think = very bangeable

and there’s heaps of photos of him out and about back in his PuA era with fairly bangeable chicks he looked to be hooking up with from the pics.

So he’s the guy with the most verifiable proof he could walk the walk too.

he claimed something like 15 -20 chicks picked up and laid in his book. I’ll say that’s true from evidence.

he’s really the guy that did the transformation from Zero to Hero.

most of who followed were actually Frauds.
‘nuff said.

James

 

[Skills]

@Skills

you said somewhere here on thread that NS was an effective PUA. If not ‘The best’.

I agree
He wrote a great book and a bestseller. (Based on MM . And that hundreds of other new ‘coaches’ jumped on the back of and stole from to profit)

But importantly he’s the only guy really with verifiable results .
Like, there is plenty of verifiable proof that he actually could pickup and get lays, with decently hot chicks !

Eg
That tall Lisa L chick in the book = very bangeable.

he was banging a short haired brunette ‘pua groupie ‘chick that was an ex GF of another ‘sex coach’ pua dude, = she was sexy and bangeable

He’s also fucked a few porn stars I believe ( whatever re them being porno , they were sexy looking at least , decent bodied)

his blondie Mexican ex wife was somewhat of a model I think = very bangeable

and there’s heaps of photos of him out and about back in his PuA era with fairly bangeable chicks he looked to be hooking up with from the pics.

So he’s the guy with the most verifiable proof he could walk the walk too.

he claimed something like 15 -20 chicks picked up and laid in his book. I’ll say that’s true from evidence.

he’s really the guy that did the transformation from Zero to Hero.

most of who followed were actually Frauds.
‘nuff said.

James

unfortunately is for him, most of this tech is not good if he were to teach now a days, i was saying he internalize it and worked for him... And a lot of his concept are good in theory... But to replicate from a to z meh... He has not been active for years it seems... he is a time machine guy....

I do enjoy in the interview where he was saying he was stuck in "courtship" aka the meet to lay aspect, but was stuck there not evolving.... what I call the hamster wheel... So i recenated with the couple of the interview, were he was talking about evolving, how he was stuck there, due to that when he went in the relationship (different stage) he really sucked based on that wrote the "truth about relationships"

obviously when i am saying one of the best, how he get people to disarm, earn trust, and invest, and open up context....

For pick up now a days (he may be personally good for his goals).... Would not be good like to teach (time machine), unless he is back to being active...

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

unfortunately is for him, most of this tech is not good if he were to teach now a days, i was saying he internalize it and worked for him... And a lot of his concept are good in theory... But to replicate from a to z meh... He has not been active for years it seems... he is a time machine guy....

I do enjoy in the interview where he was saying he was stuck in "courtship" aka the meet to lay aspect, but was stuck there not evolving.... what I call the hamster wheel... So i recenated with the couple of the interview, were he was talking about evolving, how he was stuck there, due to that when he went in the relationship (different stage) he really sucked based on that wrote the "truth about relationships"

obviously when i am saying one of the best, how he get people to disarm, earn trust, and invest, and open up context....

For pick up now a days (he may be personally good for his goals).... Would not be good like to teach (time machine), unless he is back to being active...

Well I think Strauss is positioning himself these days as a ‘relationship advice /knower guru for extra income. Following on from his Truth book.

what he says about relationships may be valid. But underneath .. I’m sure he still flexes all his PUA learnings and skills to seduce firstly .

id love to pick his brain tbh. He’s studied and probably knows every ‘style’ and ‘method’. And adapted it to what works for him best.

like you said ( section I’ve bolded )
“how he gets people to disarm, earn trust, and invest, and open up context....”

Well.. this is all a part of being a Seducer!
So.. he’s no doubt and awesome seducer still. And prob uses the same principles .. except normalised ie not ‘The Cube’ routines. Probably something similar tho,

He is great at conversational Framing etc.
Always see him flexing that in interviews.

for all we know. If he’s out meeting women, he may still be running all the old MM process .. just doesn’t talk about that in interviews as that’s a revenue stream for him now. He’s disassociated himself from that .. cos of the public scandles and negative attention etc wrt to RSD, Roosh and all the rest

now he’s all “ I was enmeshed with my Mother, I was misguided” lol.

it’s just a front I reckon. Hard to know really,

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Well I think Strauss is positioning himself these days as a ‘relationship advice /knower guru for extra income. Following on from his Truth book.

what he says about relationships may be valid. But underneath .. I’m sure he still flexes all his PUA learnings and skills to seduce firstly .

id love to pick his brain tbh. He’s studied and probably knows every ‘style’ and ‘method’. And adapted it to what works for him best.

like you said ( section I’ve bolded )
“how he gets people to disarm, earn trust, and invest, and open up context....”

Well.. this is all a part of being a Seducer!
So.. he’s no doubt and awesome seducer still. And prob uses the same principles .. except normalised ie not ‘The Cube’ routines. Probably something similar tho,

He is great at conversational Framing etc.
Always see him flexing that in interviews.

for all we know. If he’s out meeting women, he may still be running all the old MM process .. just doesn’t talk about that in interviews as that’s a revenue stream for him now. He’s disassociated himself from that .. cos of the public scandles and negative attention etc wrt to RSD, Roosh and all the rest

now he’s all “ I was enmeshed with my Mother, I was misguided” lol.

it’s just a front I reckon. Hard to know really,

Actually @Skills I’ll tack on (and dihorrea post )- upon reflection . Probably not MM so much. Given he went to rehab , therapy . And that journey etc

but attraction and seduction is all based on the same principles… Not sure how he’d get around that…very much doubt he’s binned ALL the old ideas he once mastered.

probably he’s just not as promiscuous and validation seeking as he used to be…

 

[Orchard]

Ok fellas so is it gay to talk to women or what?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Ok fellas so is it gay to talk to women or what?

Yeah bro. Fully Gay.
Better to be super Alpha … just walk up , unzip and whack your cock out to her.

 

[MrVariety]

Interesting take.
But how would Neil Strauss benefit from funnelling guys into therapy programs or Rehabs .. ? He doesn’t own either afaik? He still primarily making his money as an Author and a relationships talking head on interviews .

I loved his book The Truth. I thought he was pretty honest (albeit had a PR agenda too) in showing what happened him when he “got Game” .. ie he couldn’t turn it off.

And he was stuck in sex-addition-for-validation loop , because of his inherent Low Self Esteem.

So he kept cheating on his Mrs until he got caught . And went to Sed Addiction Rehab.

I found it extremely informative,
Because the same thing happened to me more or less. From following the Pickup Artist pathway.

that’s actually what it’s all about underneath everything. Which was great to have it pointed out. By the guy that launched a million PUA copycats.

James

He does own one.

For the price of $5.000 you get a monthly virtual seminar delivered by Mr Strauss himself for a year. He explicitly advertise this as the same process he went through in the truth.

Isn’t it funny how after all this therapy costing him $100.000 he got back together with his ex and realized she was fucked up too so he shoved her into therapy and bada bing bads boo they managed to get three whole years together and then got divorced and then he injected her with semen cus they are so progressive mentally free. LA is a coo coo world and the worst part is it’s actually spreading. People are starting to believe they have to throw in money to get psychobabbled to death to solve the endless hole parental wounds.

MV

 

[Bill]

Neil said multiple times he didn’t think learning game was bad and he benefited from it, in his book He didn’t primarily blame it for his issues and focused more on childhood trauma. He does give PUAs a hard time in the game but he does that in a lot of his books probably as a projection of his own self hate. He seemed to weirdly get off on screwing people over.

The whole thing about his truth book being a repudiation of game was a media creation, he didn’t say that.

Anyway Neil to me was always frustrating to try and learn from because he clearly knows a lot but doesn’t actually have much interest in expressing it.

I suspect his rules of the game book was not actually written by him but rather he just had a ghostwriter do it and he edited it. It’s missing a lot of stuff he said elsewhere he finds very useful and it isnt laid out in a coherent order.

 

[GreatManKos]

There’s been cases in the UK, Scotland and the USA of guys getting arrested and charged for harassing /stalking chicks by cold approaching. Cos the guys are too autist to pick up the signals from the woman that she’s NOT INTERESTED.

they think they just have to ‘plow’ on.

I'm guessing that they can indeed sense her disinterest, but they've been fooled by coaches into thinking you can turn a clear no into a yes with pushpull and the rest of 'game'.

Except, well, you totally can. In fact, pissing women off, making them react - negatively or otherwise - is the shortest way to attraction. I saw it irl, I practiced it, I read field reports, etc... you approach a woman, you mess with her, you hold the frame, then boom, she's chasing you and your validation.

If there's "disinterest" you're already doing something wrong, like showing her that you're "100% interested," that's boring unless she's really into you. And really good pushpull is actually "push-push-push-push-pull," hardcore teases, demonstration of disinterest, treating her like she's a low value chick chasing you, etc. This is the type of game that works wonders, let's you pick up girls even if you're ugly, or who have boyfriends or otherwise not interested. But the problem is - in the western modern society it's a really hard type of game to learn or practice, a risky one. I live in Eastern Europe, we don't have this problem just yet. Guys can be very overconfident and assholish and get away with it, the worst you can get is having another dude beat you for offending him if you hit on his girl, police won't give a damn about a man "bothering" girls with words alone.

I know a guy who would just sit with a random woman in the cafe and start trying her food out... breaking boundaries creates attraction very fast if you hold the frame, act high value, deal with shit tests, whatever you call it, while having fun. But this looks retarded if you aren't congruent with this and repeat it as a "technique," i.e. if you're a pussy acting like a "badass bully alpha asshole," because you're reactive and will freak out when you get bad reaction, which you would. The thing is, bad reactions are part of the game, it's just a woman expressing her current emotional state, it's not bad, it's her investing emotionally in you, you can change her emotional state with your actions. In other words, practically always a bad reaction is a type of shit test, not interested women just leave or ignore you, if she reacts, she's already hooked emotionally.

Peak RSD game was like this, but then there came #metoo, Julien became the "most hated man in the world," and nothing was the same anymore. The thing is, effective game has antisocial elements because you're dominating the woman's frame, you break it alongside her boundaries, it's a direct demonstration of social power and of your higher value, this is what creates attraction. You can't learn it without ever risking being creepy or losing the "frame war," but if before you only risked socially, now you also risk legally. And there's also this "p diddy, Epstein island" deal, when you're daygaming you inevitably will hit on some underage girls because 16-17 y.o. don't look any different from 18-19 y.o. on average, and now you're also a pdf according to certain people (even if the age of consent is 16).

In other words, you definitely should adapt your game to your environment. Daygaming should be done with a lot of subtlety if you're new and / or in a high-risk country. But this doesn't mean that you can't make disinterested or mildly interested women start chasing you with game, that's the entire point of it - making "maybe" or even "no" girls into "yes" girls.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Except, well, you totally can. In fact, pissing women off, making them react - negatively or otherwise - is the shortest way to attraction. I saw it irl, I practiced it, I read field reports, etc... you approach a woman, you mess with her, you hold the frame, then boom, she's chasing you and your validation.

If there's "disinterest" you're already doing something wrong, like showing her that you're "100% interested," that's boring unless she's really into you. And really good pushpull is actually "push-push-push-push-pull," hardcore teases, demonstration of disinterest, treating her like she's a low value chick chasing you, etc. This is the type of game that works wonders, let's you pick up girls even if you're ugly, or who have boyfriends or otherwise not interested. But the problem is - in the western modern society it's a really hard type of game to learn or practice, a risky one. I live in Eastern Europe, we don't have this problem just yet. Guys can be very overconfident and assholish and get away with it, the worst you can get is having another dude beat you for offending him if you hit on his girl, police won't give a damn about a man "bothering" girls with words alone.

I know a guy who would just sit with a random woman in the cafe and start trying her food out... breaking boundaries creates attraction very fast if you hold the frame, act high value, deal with shit tests, whatever you call it, while having fun. But this looks retarded if you aren't congruent with this and repeat it as a "technique," i.e. if you're a pussy acting like a "badass bully alpha asshole," because you're reactive and will freak out when you get bad reaction, which you would. The thing is, bad reactions are part of the game, it's just a woman expressing her current emotional state, it's not bad, it's her investing emotionally in you, you can change her emotional state with your actions. In other words, practically always a bad reaction is a type of shit test, not interested women just leave or ignore you, if she reacts, she's already hooked emotionally.

Peak RSD game was like this, but then there came #metoo, Julien became the "most hated man in the world," and nothing was the same anymore. The thing is, effective game has antisocial elements because you're dominating the woman's frame, you break it alongside her boundaries, it's a direct demonstration of social power and of your higher value, this is what creates attraction. You can't learn it without ever risking being creepy or losing the "frame war," but if before you only risked socially, now you also risk legally. And there's also this "p diddy, Epstein island" deal, when you're daygaming you inevitably will hit on some underage girls because 16-17 y.o. don't look any different from 18-19 y.o. on average, and now you're also a pdf according to certain people (even if the age of consent is 16).

In other words, you definitely should adapt your game to your environment. Daygaming should be done with a lot of subtlety if you're new and / or in a high-risk country. But this doesn't mean that you can't make disinterested or mildly interested women start chasing you with game, that's the entire point of it - making "maybe" or even "no" girls into "yes" girls.

I agree with some of this GMK.
Have experimented with such Game and seen the results.

but also have seen dickeads like Julien also FAIL spectacularly doing this ‘Negative Attention ‘ shit.
And also Tyler (and most if not all of the RSD crew aka Retarded Social Dysfunction)