To be fair, there has always been a minority of autists in the seduction community.
When I first found pickup in the mid-2000 naughts there was a whole "social robots" trend plaguing the community. Certain guys would learn pickup techniques, then go out and spam them to girls in the most awkward ways imaginable. It'd raise girls' bitch shields wherever these guys went, and saddled pickup with this image of being a bunch of strange guys spitting uncalibrated game-y routines. The demise of routine-based game was directly caused by the negative association with these guys.
You used to go to pickup lairs (meetups of guys in your town into pickup) and there'd be a few cool guys, some regular shy guys, and then there'd be these dudes who clearly did not understand social norms whom you would meet and just be like, "Well, he's not a bad dude or anything, but this is just not someone I would like to be around."
In retrospect, most of the awkward guys and "social robots" were just autists; autism was just not as widely understood back then, so they just got called "awkward and weird."
The problem for these guys is how few psychologists there are who are actually equipped to train autistic men to be socially successful.
Basically, for an autistic guy, it is just a loooooong process of figuring out how to mask the autism well enough to make a normal-ish initial impression on girls, enough that he can get dates or pickups. Then after that he needs to find some way to convert his tendency to rant into something charismatic (where he is ranting about topics that actually interest girls and hook them in). He also needs to figure out how to lead without being so pushy that he pulls girls into uncomfortable situations that he is unable to recognize are uncomfortable for them. Even with that he is still generally going to have a much lower close rate than a non-autistic guy, so he will need to do a ton of volume and go through a ton of rejections.
I would also say that a mating environment like the one in the West right now is the WORST possible environment for an autist:
- Women do not 'need' providers (the classic autist role)
- Provider game largely does not work
- If the relationship is unsatisfactory (as relationships with autists often are), many women will not hesitate to jump ship
Where providers are more valued, autists will end up in relationships where the woman is saying, "It's a hard relationship, and I often feel like he doesn't really listen to me or value me, but I'm doing what I can to make it work." In the West though, a woman will just say, "I can't take any more of this," and leave.
The meta problem for autists is that just as they have these struggles with the people they want to bring into their lives, they have the same struggles with the people they want to seek help from to fix the struggles with the other people. Everyone they deal with is a human, and humans have feelings, and autists in general are just really, really bad at giving people good feelings instead of (accidentally) making people feel ignored, insulted, and unappreciated (
see here, for instance).
Which then becomes this feedback loop of frustration for them, because they want success with other humans, but everyone keeps moving away from them, including the people they turn to to try find help dealing with their issues, who also cannot take it anymore after a certain amount of time and also start moving away from them.
(If I had to give only one instruction to autists, it would probably be "Your full time job is to figure out how to make everyone around you feel as awesome as humanly possible at all possible times, without sidelining your own wants or needs." Doing that one thing alone would completely change every autist's experience of interacting with other human beings.)
Anyway, there is not really a great option for them, help-wise.
Which is why some of them end up here (far more of them end up in incel/black pill/red pill stuff though. One study found incels are 30% autistic... compared to like 4% of the general male population).
But regardless.... it is still not a therapy board, and nobody here wants to deal with a guy who is complaining or being miserable or ranting about how nothing ever works for him.
As always -- if you notice any member dumping too much "woe is me" stuff on the Boards, or being an askhole, or dismissing everything anyone says and refusing to implement advice he receives, please open a report. The mods will check into it, and usually warn him, temp ban him, restrict where he can post (to force him into action-oriented parts of the Boards only), or ban him, as needed.
I wish we could give every guy unlimited attention and hand-holding but we all have limited hours in the day, limited emotional energy, and limited focus, and we need to keep this place mission-oriented and not a "miserable guys support forum."
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