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So there’s no reason for me to roll off and ping again. This girl gets filed into the not interested cabin. I don’t waste anymore time than necessary on this girl and move on to other things. Because I respect my time and you should too.
Plenty of girls will not respond with a counter-offer, especially if they already have a vibrant social life/lots of orbiters.

Doesn't mean she's not interested in you, she's probably just busy (have you ever seen a hot girl's Instagram inbox?). You'll have a much better chance of meeting her if you feel out her schedule first.

But hey maybe she’s slow and it takes her a bit to register that if she doesn’t offer an alternative date to this guy, she will miss out. And then pings you a couple hours/days later, “but I’m free Saturday?”
Maybe. There's no guarantee that she will ping you again though.

More likely she'll think "oh I'll get back to him later" and forget about you.

I mean if you've got a system that works for you, that's great man. This is what works most consistently for me and most of the guys here (check out the guide linked by Skills above).
 

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Guys a bit of rambling cause i am just disgusted and fuming (again why i avoid pick up content)

context.- I have not watched pua content for a while, i don't know somewhere along the line i lost interest, i would say the last 5 years, got repetitive and water down and shifted to more of those types of crime youtube channels.....

Sometimes i get guys i am helping or talking sending me videos, one dude sent me some interview with mystery, Zan Perion and couple of mystery wings..... I was soooooooooo bored withing 5 minutes and it was 4 hours(not i only watch 5 minutes), but i got sucked into the pua algorithm...

Fuck my life so i saw the most retarded debate from a dude name locario supposedly a screener fighting with another dude ump or whatever his name is...... Ump was right, It does not matter, my point is i could not believe the none sense of what they are calling now i days screening (ump is how screening was tbh, lotario is blow me in blow me out, no screening) which is why is bastardized....... From this forum the only 2 guys left that used to do screening is me and wrapped mindless (steve jabba posted here for 2 seconds but he is rip), but what we did looks nothing from what mr. locario total idiot is bastardasing as screening and a BUNCH OF OTHER IDIOTS ARE TEACHING.... Screening is NOT BLOW ME IN BLOW ME OUT GAME, has never been that......

When @Chase made the post on neo direct, talking about him and teevester calling it that.... I thought here we go again posturing, cause i have not idea what they were talking about...... Then chase came to my last year review talking about riffing, i rolled my eyes, here we go chase posturing again..... WHOLLY SHIT! Was i million percent off........ Now i finally get it (chase made a post clarifying will post at the end)..... The idiots are teaching women going direct, if the women is not 100% compliant, give them shit test, give dude objection or not into them RIGHT AWAY, they teach to be gone...... Wtf! that was never ever ever ever screening ever.... This is BLOW ME IN BLOW ME OUT GAME, is not screening, nothing to do with what we did with screening, beyond horrible..... I do not want to be associated at all with that... Is not what i did, not what i taught i would never ever do shit like that!..... The context was back in the days the mm was what most schools were teaching or rsd, screening was more like 60, sleazy etc... by the way post tinder is not even as effective or effective in night game you need to actually have game and be able to game groups.

Some observations:

- Screening how it was meant to be went to apps.

- screening required game (it was not spam approaching)

- screening was not blow me in blow me out (you actually game the girl, what you did not want is that during the interaction if it was going nowhere and logistics based on experience not there, stay in set and waste the night context, but you will end interaction at high note with the number or gather number and text her later in the night) again nothing like the none sense, again it was never blow me in blow me out...

- The hotness was there, you would go for the hotest target and devote most of your effort to the hottest target and then from hotter to less hot, you would go for the 6s of 7s as a LAST RESORT, AKA BACK UP..... There was not a 6 become a 9 due to compliance, many times there were 6s and 7s opportunities the screener would pass to go for the 8s and 9s.... there was not 6 becomes a 9 due to compliance none sense...

Guys context, first of all, the screening of back in the days will not work in night game today as it used to inmho, there is just not enough volume or dtf girls(they are in tiktok, insta and dating apps)... second, the you open a girls direct(i mostly opened situationally, barely if ever direct), if she is not automatically compliant from the start, and give you shit! you bail, that was never ever ever how screening was, i never ever did that.....

^ back in the days there was a lot of volume of women, there was not tinder, it was nothing like it looks like today.....

The scales did not change dude to compliance, i can not believe the none sense, a 6 was a 6, 6 did not became a 9 due to compliance, i can't believe the none sense...

Sorry for the rant here is additional post for context:


I’m glad you brought this up. I follow his content for a year and man do I regret that.
 

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I’m glad you brought this up. I follow his content for a year and man do I regret that.
Ok so tell me more about your experience and how it worked and how it looked like and how you found that content.... I am interested on what kind of ratios and results you received... I got laid a lot doing screening i would average 2 lays a week for years plural, but it looked nothing like that...
 

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They all lacked sexual experience (good tell I’ve found is they don’t exactly know how to arch their backs yet when you put them in the doggy position. Also that their pussy tastes and smells delicious),
Now that's some nice practical advice there :) Thanks!
 

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I love how contradictory a lot of these new aged, frustrated men sound with their “all women these day are mega-sluts, with unrealistic super high standards”. I don’t think biology has changed that much in ten years. But people have become quite emboldened to share their highly negative viewpoints on X and Reddit, and there’s some truly horrible advice out there.

From being out in the night game scene constantly from 09-12, and now back again after a long hiatus, the main shift I’ve seen has really been more that “going out” and “clubbing” is much less mainstream, and almost more of a subculture. Back in the day everyone was out every weekend, because that’s where everyone was and what everyone did. There were twice as many night venues in my city, always packed - I even knew a good place on most weeknights. What I have found recently is the weeknight venues are mostly dead, and while there are still a high concentration of people going out, they are the same people, and there are many less venues.

I used to love watching the PUA guys running their old school group theory style game and working different sets. I don’t see that at all anymore, at least in my area. Just seems like a lot of guys getting drunk with their bro friends, and shouting random comments out at all the girls and seeing what sticks. Have I seen that work? Absolutely. Have I seen that crash and burn? More times than I can count. But I think a lot of the art form has been lost, regardless of what style people choose to do. There were lots of flaws in the old theories of game, and there is such a great wealth of information now, but I hardly see anyone applying it when I’m out at night. My two cents.

@Skills I love your post from 2015. The guys I knew who pulled the most seemed to be using some form of that structure. Dress well, pre open, come with proper game but constantly escalate towards sex. Screen out the ones who aren’t down through escalation, not some unrealistic idea that if they’re not down for it in the first five seconds, then they’re not down…
 

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Screen out the ones who aren’t down through escalation
This makes total sense. It seems like the difference between Gunwitch style "make the ho say no" progressive escalation vs. "blow me or blow me out" like flashing her with a trench coat.

The former is like slowly pouring the sand through screening layers.

Seaside-Sidekicks-Funnel-Fun-006427-1-Kid-Seamless.jpg


Vs. barreling down a conveyor toward a cutout like those Japanese game shows.

nokabe.jpg
 

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Also @Spike I loved your lay report honestly. But she was chasing you hard before you even started texting, so the whole phone phase was practically one big escalation window.
 

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Guys talk about screening for "interested girls" and get really upset if you don't recommend IMMEDIATELY NEXTING any girl who is not ultra-compliant and chasing after you from the open.


Guys from locario's camp advise going out and 'hollering' at 25 girls every day and see if 1 bites.
It would suck to be the guy who goes about doing that.

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In 2017, guys from the GLL camp trained me in-field.

The focus was 100% on maximizing the volume of approaches and zoning in on a super-green girl and pulling her in 10 minutes.

This was daygame btw.

We did about 30 approaches each in a day during the training with no real results to speak of. There were 2 botched pulls because there wasn't any foundation to these interactions(read Floors and Ceilings article).

There wasn't any emphasis on genuineness of the approach and subsequent skills required to lead a girl towards bed.

As others mentioned in the thread, this does work to some extent, but a terrible effort-to-results ratio leads to burnout and bitterness toward women.

This contributed to me eventually ditching cold approaches and diving 100% into the online world.

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Only last year, I started reading girlschase and forums seriously - and got back into daygame, with amazing results(while still living with my ex).

Chase's method is 100% superior to neo direct/no game/bastardized screening. This actually gets you results while allowing you to enjoy the whole courting process.

It's a different reality altogether.

I'm glad I found the forum and got back to cold approach with a solid tech
 
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I call that posturing, however crap is crap..... blow me in and blow me out method is crap, has always been crap, i have never seen anyone in pua advocating blow me in blow me out game, the screeners were all in nexasft before your time, none were advocating that, ever...

I see why you’re dismissing Blow Me In, Blow Me Out — it’s not efficient and you will burn through a lot of leads.

And I totally agree that the screening method from NexASF will burn way less leads. But if we’re calling one approach ‘crap’ while promoting another as the best, isn’t that also a form of posturing?

^ this is fine, not the way he goes about teaching how to do that.... Cause it does not work,, the odds are extremely low...

Even though I wouldn’t personally follow Locario’s method, there’s clearly something about it that resonates deeply with his audience because he has a fiercely loyal fanbase

Who ironically argue about how his method is superior lol

It seems like he's optimizing for a different goal—filtering for women who buy into his frame, rather than maximizing success rates and some men don't seem to mind that trade off

Maybe there’s something to learn from that, even if we don’t agree 100% with his approach?
 

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I see why you’re dismissing Blow Me In, Blow Me Out — it’s not efficient and you will burn through a lot of leads.

And I totally agree that the screening method from NexASF will burn way less leads. But if we’re calling one approach ‘crap’ while promoting another as the best, isn’t that also a form of posturing?
No honesty is not posting....i don't want me as a guys that spent years teaching screening being associated with that crap...it does not work...as you can read in the answers from people that field tested, this is skill seducer forum...no seduction involved in that crap ..
Maybe there’s something to learn from that, even if we don’t agree 100% with his approach?
Jesus! Ok... Do you brother
 

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I love how contradictory a lot of these new aged, frustrated men sound with their “all women these day are mega-sluts, with unrealistic super high standards”. I don’t think biology has changed that much in ten years. But people have become quite emboldened to share their highly negative viewpoints on X and Reddit, and there’s some truly horrible advice out there.

From being out in the night game scene constantly from 09-12, and now back again after a long hiatus, the main shift I’ve seen has really been more that “going out” and “clubbing” is much less mainstream, and almost more of a subculture. Back in the day everyone was out every weekend, because that’s where everyone was and what everyone did. There were twice as many night venues in my city, always packed - I even knew a good place on most weeknights. What I have found recently is the weeknight venues are mostly dead, and while there are still a high concentration of people going out, they are the same people, and there are many less venues.

I used to love watching the PUA guys running their old school group theory style game and working different sets. I don’t see that at all anymore, at least in my area. Just seems like a lot of guys getting drunk with their bro friends, and shouting random comments out at all the girls and seeing what sticks. Have I seen that work? Absolutely. Have I seen that crash and burn? More times than I can count. But I think a lot of the art form has been lost, regardless of what style people choose to do. There were lots of flaws in the old theories of game, and there is such a great wealth of information now, but I hardly see anyone applying it when I’m out at night. My two cents.

@Skills I love your post from 2015. The guys I knew who pulled the most seemed to be using some form of that structure. Dress well, pre open, come with proper game but constantly escalate towards sex. Screen out the ones who aren’t down through escalation, not some unrealistic idea that if they’re not down for it in the first five seconds, then they’re not down…
Excellent
 

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This makes total sense. It seems like the difference between Gunwitch style "make the ho say no" progressive escalation vs. "blow me or blow me out" like flashing her with a trench coat.

The former is like slowly pouring the sand through screening layers.

Seaside-Sidekicks-Funnel-Fun-006427-1-Kid-Seamless.jpg


Vs. barreling down a conveyor toward a cutout like those Japanese game shows.

nokabe.jpg
Again Gunwtch 1 before he evolved, looks nothing like that... People like to troll the "make the ho say no", cause Gunwtch used a trollish line making the point of guys were giving up and ejecting the interaction wayyyyyy too fast and having friend to friend interaction vs man to women interaction.... Nothing to do with blow me in blow me out dude ... Jesus
 

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^ please tell me were those that look like open neo direct> give the girl the number> close with take out your phone i will give you my number so we can meet at 8 pm for drinks....


^ guys in the forum please field test the locario retarded structure and post here your lay report....
@Skills if you watch the video, you see that locario does follow the 2015 structure.

For points 1-4 (presentation, open, fluff): 52:40-53:30

Markus says why would a girl cooperate/give you compliance, if she doesn’t know who the fuck you are.

locario responds that she does know. Locario gives an example of an unconfident guy asking a girl, “hey I’m so sorry to bother you but I was wondering if…”

The girl knows that guy is a loserNo need to cooperate with him). She doesn’t need to talk with him further than that to know that. Like how you can tell someone is socially awkward after talking to them for 30 seconds.

So when going for the number (day game) confidently, dressed very well,
all she needs to know right now is that there’s a man in front of her and has to cooperate or she loses out.

and point 5

1:16:30-1:18:30

he talks about if a girl isn’t dtf that same night. He’ll set something up for another night. Women will fuck when they want to fuck. Not all girls that like you will fuck you on the first date no matter what you do or say.

Personally this neo direct thing is a strawman

in chases “what is a bad approach (neo-direct)?” Post, he gives an example of a guy going up to a girl asking if she’s single (she says yes). Ask for her number (she says yes). According to the description she gives him her bf’s number.

which is confusing because if you look at the video. You see that he gives her his phone to put in her number. She was doing so but then forgot the last couple digits of her number. She pulls out her phone, checks for her number. And then types that into his phone. Then calls that number. Once she sees that her phone rings, he hangs up the call and gives him back his phone. So she did give him her phone number. Despite what the description says.

But if you still think she played him and did give him her boyfriends number instead, here is another video of him doing the same thing and getting a number from another girl


and what the looks like


looks like a standard case of chase’s similar face theory

 

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@Skills if you watch the video, you see that locario does follow the 2015 structure.

For points 1-4 (presentation, open, fluff): 52:40-53:30

Markus says why would a girl cooperate/give you compliance, if she doesn’t know who the fuck you are.

locario responds that she does know. Locario gives an example of an unconfident guy asking a girl, “hey I’m so sorry to bother you but I was wondering if…”

The girl knows that guy is a loserNo need to cooperate with him). She doesn’t need to talk with him further than that to know that. Like how you can tell someone is socially awkward after talking to them for 30 seconds.

So when going for the number (day game) confidently, dressed very well,
all she needs to know right now is that there’s a man in front of her and has to cooperate or she loses out.

and point 5

1:16:30-1:18:30

he talks about if a girl isn’t dtf that same night. He’ll set something up for another night. Women will fuck when they want to fuck. Not all girls that like you will fuck you on the first date no matter what you do or say.

Personally this neo direct thing is a strawman

in chases “what is a bad approach (neo-direct)?” Post, he gives an example of a guy going up to a girl asking if she’s single (she says yes). Ask for her number (she says yes). According to the description she gives him her bf’s number.

which is confusing because if you look at the video. You see that he gives her his phone to put in her number. She was doing so but then forgot the last couple digits of her number. She pulls out her phone, checks for her number. And then types that into his phone. Then calls that number. Once she sees that her phone rings, he hangs up the call and gives him back his phone. So she did give him her phone number. Despite what the description says.

But if you still think she played him and did give him her boyfriends number instead, here is another video of him doing the same thing and getting a number from another girl


and what the looks like


looks like a standard case of chase’s similar face theory

Dude I am speechless... You don't get it... Please watch the if she doesn't cooperate right away, if she gives any objection or shit test... I still do a lot of screening... Doesn't look nothing like that... I will send you a lr via pm but keep it confidential so you see how it looks...
 

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Again Gunwtch 1 before he evolved, looks nothing like that... People like to troll the "make the ho say no", cause Gunwtch used a trollish line making the point of guys were giving up and ejecting the interaction wayyyyyy too fast and having friend to friend interaction vs man to women interaction.... Nothing to do with blow me in blow me out dude ... Jesus
Oh I thought make the ho say no was about sexual state transference. I first heard of him as a GC author where he said the foundation of his teaching was based on mirror neurons.

So I thought blow me or blow me out was just like a super accelerated pace of that. Like 0 to 100 right away and bail if she's not bright green. Whereas make the ho say no is like 0 to 100 over time, slowly boiling the pot temperature and staying calibrated but always ramping up.
 

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Just saw another debate on the game global channel with a PUS discussing with the extreme screeners and it was interesting


The extreme screeners seem to be more focused about directness and efficiency—if there's no immediate interest, move on. They see game as sees as purely about being a man, owning your presence, and leading interactions with confidence. They are all about being a their ideal version of what a "Man" should be

While the PUA leans into the idea that attraction can be built over time through conversation and social dynamics

The disconnect seems to be that the screeners see the PUA as someone that loves wasting his time with an approach that comes across as less "authentic" to them

At this point, it seems like both sides are trying to argue who is more right rather than acknowledging different philosophies of thought

If someone sees dating as purely a numbers game, they'll never agree with someone who sees it as a slow-burn process of persuasion

The funny thing is both approaches work but they just optimize for different things

Extreme screeners prioritize efficiency and high-interest leads, while PUAs are focused on maximizing their ability to generate attraction in different scenarios

The friction comes from each side thinking the other is wasting time or doing things the "wrong" way

They really just having the traffic light debate again that caused a lot of controversy over here a while back. I personally don't think either side will ever reach agreement but it is fun debate ain't gonna lie
 
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Just saw another debate on the game global channel with a PUS discussing with the extreme screeners and it was interesting


The extreme screeners seem to be more focused about directness and efficiency—if there's no immediate interest, move on. They see game as sees as purely about being a man, owning your presence, and leading interactions with confidence. They are all about being a their ideal version of what a "Man" should be

While the PUA leans into the idea that attraction can be built over time through conversation and social dynamics

The disconnect seems to be that the screeners see the PUA as someone that loves wasting his time with an approach that comes across as less "authentic" to them

At this point, it seems like both sides are trying to argue who is more right rather than acknowledging different philosophies of thought

If someone sees dating as purely a numbers game, they'll never agree with someone who sees it as a slow-burn process of persuasion

The funny thing is both approaches work but they just optimize for different things

Extreme screeners prioritize efficiency and high-interest leads, while PUAs are focused on maximizing their ability to generate attraction in different scenarios

The friction comes from each side thinking the other is wasting time or doing things the "wrong" way

They really just having the traffic light debate again that caused a lot of controversy over here a while back. I personally don't think either side will ever reach agreement but it is fun debate ain't gonna lie
Thank you for teaching what screening is to someone who spent 15 years teaching it... What does this has to do with this post and the original interview I saw... And neo direct....and the structure advocated on the first video...
 

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Thank you for teaching what screening is to someone who spent 15 years teaching it... What does this has to do with this post and the original interview I saw... And neo direct....and the structure advocated on the first video...

No problemo. Just adding to discussion and sharing my perspective on how the extreme screeners and PUAs both came to their conclusions. Enjoy looking at problems and solutions from multiple angles
 
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markus says, yes she has high standards because he past her “tests”
he is right. girls who test the hardest have the highest standards. if I had a girlfriend I would like my girlfriend shit tests as hard as possible

if she is hot I know she will be approached by other dudes when we are not together, so I want her to shit test them as hard possible

this 'green lights' only strategy seems to bring the exactly opposite effects to what red pillers desire

they complain about women being 'sluts' but this 'green only' strategy is going to bring them only the easiest girls, because those "good girls" are shit testing hard, so these dudes are not even going to pursue them
 

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I must have missed the stoplight debate, but sounds like the difference between being strictly results-oriented (with results only being p in the v by any means necessary) versus wanting to learn the game and improve your skillset to be able to attract and seduce more women than the average man is capable of doing. Personally, I would count improving your game as results, but that’s just me.

Sure you can go rapid fire approach a ton of women in a night and maybe one will be super interested right away and you can have an easier time going home with that one... the “green light”. OR you can approach the ones who may be interested but maybe not and develop a skillset over time to make them interested more and more consistently. Sure seems like those who only go for the super down women are missing out on a lot of opportunities they could be having. Half the fun is the journey, right?

It’s the difference between having short term success versus long term mastery. Sure, I could be laying more girls right now by only going for the super interested girls… but give me a year or two of practicing solid game on the maybes and I’ll have infinitely many more women to choose from, with a stronger skillset, whereas the “blow me or blow me out” guys will be in the same spot as before.
 
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