Sexual Fantasies, Narratives and Female Psychology

Bacchus

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There are aspects of seduction that women find almost impossible to resist.

You may have noticed this out in the field. Perhaps a part of your process has a certain something like an extra oomph. . . that just makes it work so well. Maybe you have a gambit you like to run in a particular context. Or even with a specific demographic because they find it almost impossible to resist.

I'm going to start a discussion to unravel this special je nais ce quois. Hopefully this post will give you a more pragmatic and well-rounded understanding of how game works. Now, the first thing to discuss is something called bubble. Or in a broader sense. The concept of liminality.

@Teevster has written inspiring things about liminoid bubbles. And you may already be familiar with this. . . if you have read some of our articles or posts on nextasf. But in case what you saw after clicking the wikipedia link, didn't immediately set off light bulbs in your minds eye. Here is a brief explanation.

There is a psychological antechamber that can be created with eye contact, verbal descriptions, proximity, sexual tension, facial expressions, intrigue and seductive topics. Inducing an effect akin to feeling alone in a crowd. . . where for a moment or series of moments. . . the outside world recedes into the background. Creating a focused and unique sense of mutuality between the two. . . or three of you. The environment and even various barriers become less important. . . as you go deeper into this bubble. This is a shared narrative that can make you attune to an almost perfect vibe. . .

You start to engage with each other in certain ways, that will naturally reinforce an us vs them frame. Which allows her to become more shameless in her intimate self-expression with you. But sometimes. . . it goes pop and all comes crashing down. Seemingly out of nowhere the bubble unravels and fades.

It looks like she has just woken up rather uncomfortably from a dream. This can torpedo an unfolding seduction quite effectively. But if you are familiar with the 3 keys introduced by @Gunwitch you already have a leg up or three. . . over many seducers and students of the game regarding blind spots.

Because learning and practicing the mixed marital arts of seduction. . . develops your ability to create immersive bubbles and prevent those awful moments. . . when they implode. But sometimes even your best efforts, might be too much. . . for a particular girl. Or not nearly enough. Which can be a very confusing experience. Since it was perfectly fine in other contexts. Or even with previous girls you have successfully seduced. . .

This is because each girl has some noticeable differences in how she might respond to good game.

Now, there's a theory crafted by a seducer called The Thin Man. On nextasf he shared. . . another impressive empathetic model. 3 fantasy archetypes to be exact. One of his main ideas. . . was that you want to frame yourself as an authority figure in this shared narrative. Because it makes things less likely to spiral out of control. But depending on each girl and her fantasies there are different strategies. . . that enable you to establish and maintain this strategic position in each immersive bubble. As you might have already guessed, these 3 archetypes merge seamlessly with the 3 keys. Here's how. . .

The three fantasy archetypes are:
  1. Pretty Petty Princess. Girls who fantasize about becoming transformed by associating with an authority figure.
  2. Submissive and Service Oriented. Girls who fantasize about the validation of pleasing this authority figure.
  3. Overcome By Passion. Girls who fantasize about getting swept away in mutual heat with an authority figure.
Which ties in with covert applications of social frame, emotional stimulation and sexual arousal in seduction.

All three keys are necessary to improve bubble quality. In fact its difficult to get any real consistency, and access abundance. . . if one or more keys are missing in your game. I'm also not suggesting that a girl would be unable to enjoy, desire and get off on all three of these pyschosexual scenarios.

But what is interesting to note is that one of these archetypal fantasies, is usually more dominant in her perspective. . . compared to the others.

Because if you calibrate at a high level and what I mean by this is. . . you have enough regular abundance to feel comfortable with the goal of shagging a particular girl. What you may notice. . . is that as you run the 3 keys with a specific girl. . . there's usually one or two keys you will end up returning to. It becomes something like a fallback option when using fractionation. Since it seems to tap into something deeper in her personality.

Let us have a look at some helpful clues.

Certain girls you might see hanging out at VIP tables. . . may respond very powerfully to social proof. Or maybe you're having a one-on-one conversation and notice a golden hook emerge. After your frame control gave her a new or deeper perspective. . . on something she already identifies with. Perhaps you often fractionate into comforting topics and make her feel supported. Such girls have a Pretty Petty Princess fantasy.

Now if you approach a woman and notice you can almost bull-doze her over with hypnotic game. She has little to no problem going deeper. . . and deeper into trance states. You can even tell her exactly what to do. . . and have her obey obediently. These girls are Service Oriented and want to be able to trust in a man. . . who can almost totally dominate them. As he praises her for the willingness to surrender to his command.

Girls who are Overcome By Passion may send repeated frame-grabs your way before the hook point. They typically have a very. . . short attention-span and getting them to focus. . . on you can feel extra challenging. But once you really turn them on. Their arousal builds and builds. Along with the tension. Until they appear to become intoxicated. . . by the possibility of wild and intense sex. Just make sure to pull fast after reaching this point.

This is because one of these fantasies, or sometimes a unique combo of two is integral to the romantic movies, visual pornography or erotic literature that resonate with her. Fascinate her. And has been getting her rocks off. Time and time again. In other words. . . this is her path of least resistance.

And we all know how important it is. . . to minimize resistance in your unfolding seduction.

One great intuitive leap of progress in my journey, was learning to recognize which fantasy to fall back on. To smoothly position myself as an authority and run the 3 keys while hardening our bubble. Making it sturdy and less likely to get disturbed, or permanently disrupted. . . by outside forces.

This simplifies the path towards melting barriers and penetrating the minds. . . of the girls I seduce. It also has a noticeable influence regarding my conditioning in the types of relationships I have with certain girls. And can shape the process of re-seducing a girlfriend to keep her addicted to you.

Questions? Comments? Something to add? Shoot. . .
 
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Velasco

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Great mind stimulating post, @Bacchus :)

So from your post, this is how I see, is how you'll want to run things:

Find her archetype, so that you can tailor the three keys around it.

So...

Pretty Petty Princess (emphasize on changing from one thing (belief/state) to another)
  1. social frame
  2. emotional stimulators
  3. sexual arousal
Submissive/Service Oriented (emphasize on pleasing people)
  1. social frame
  2. emotional stimulators
  3. sexual arousal
Overcome With Passion (emphasize on spontaneous decisions, living in the moment, trusting your gut)
  1. social frame
  2. emotional stimulators
  3. sexual arousal
Now, previously when I asked you this question, you said your way of finding her archetype is through hobbies.

You'd ask her your hobbies question. Then dig deeper by asking her, what is it about X that really does it for you? while then suggesting 2-3 aspects of that hobby for her to latch on to.

However, would you say it could also be possible, to find her archetype through romantic movies? Since that's the only one of the 3 you mentioned, that would be socially acceptable to ask a girl you just met (porn and erotic literature are possible, but by the time those topics become socially acceptable, your already deep in sex talk).

Perhaps, youd stir the topic towards romantic movies she grew up with early on. Then maybe pick out 3 mainstream (so that every girl has watched them) romantic movies, each containing a dominant archetype in them (ex: Twlight (OCP), 50 shades(SSO), Titanic(PPP/OCP)?
 

Bacchus

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Great mind stimulating post, @Bacchus :)

So from your post, this is how I see, is how you'll want to run things:

Find her archetype, so that you can tailor the three keys around it.

So...

Pretty Petty Princess (emphasize on changing from one thing (belief/state) to another)
  1. social frame
  2. emotional stimulators
  3. sexual arousal
Submissive/Service Oriented (emphasize on pleasing people)
  1. social frame
  2. emotional stimulators
  3. sexual arousal
Overcome With Passion (emphasize on spontaneous decisions, living in the moment, trusting your gut)
  1. social frame
  2. emotional stimulators
  3. sexual arousal
Now, previously when I asked you this question, you said your way of finding her archetype is through hobbies.

You'd ask her your hobbies question. Then dig deeper by asking her, what is it about X that really does it for you? while then suggesting 2-3 aspects of that hobby for her to latch on to.

These are some cool insights @Velasco

For Subs I would also recommend emphasis on letting go. Trusting something, someone else, or a deeper side of her to take control. But yeah, elicitation is a key skill for getting her to identify herself. Like I might list three aspects of a hobby. . . each of which appeals to a distinct fantasy.

Then when she gives an answer. . . I probe even deeper still. Get her talking about the why's behind each decision. And encourage her to define personal motivations with her own words. Because as you take things deeper and deeper, you make less assumptions and improve your accuracy.

However, would you say it could also be possible, to find her archetype through romantic movies? Since that's the only one of the 3 you mentioned, that would be socially acceptable to ask a girl you just met (porn and erotic literature are possible, but by the time those topics become socially acceptable, your already deep in sex talk).

Perhaps, youd stir the topic towards romantic movies she grew up with early on. Then maybe pick out 3 mainstream (so that every girl has watched them) romantic movies, each containing a dominant archetype in them (ex: Twlight (OCP), 50 shades(SSO), Titanic(PPP/OCP)?

Yeah this is another topic you can use to elicit. I think you can even take it into SOT realms and Opportunities and Challenges.

A word of caution though with this topic, make sure to probe very very deep. Because many movies have female leads and pyschosexual scenarios, which correspond. . . to multiple fantasies simultaneously. Or at different moments during the plot. Like you noticed in your read on Titanic.

One good example of a romantic movie with a focused Pretty Petty Princess narrative is Juila Roberts in Pretty Woman. An apt title. . . I might add. Though I can't really comment on the Twilight movies or 50 Shades Grey. Because I haven't watched those movies at all.

But I did notice lots of imaginative stimulation. . . for all three fantasy archetypes. . . while reading the 50 Shades novels. Which brings me to another crucial point. . . there are girls with strong attachments to more than one fantasy. Although one may feel more pressing. . . or dissatisfied in a particular context. Its just worth highlighting that you may meet girls. . . with two sexual narratives to fallback on with calibration and fractionation.
 
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