Should I read "The Game" or "Models"

[Brassfaced_Jim]

It's a complicated topic. Many different things can work, many different styles can work. Like let's say evoking emotions with talking in the right way (something similar to Speed Seduction) can work and wordless dance seduction also can work.

1. It depends on the woman. One is more sexual, one more romantic, etc.

2. It depends on the environment. For the same woman, evoking emotions with words can work on her in a coffe shop, but will not work in loud club. For the same woman, wordless dance seduction can work easily in club, but will be much harder in a coffe shop (although somebody probably could pull it off).

3. It depends on the man's skills and talent (or lack of it), on what style fits his personality and also the way he looks.

For example - I know some guys who use humor to great effect for seduction, but myself and some others aren't so great with humor and we do better with "serious" style - sexual or romantic or rapport-based or even "philosophical/bohemian" (kind of like Kurt Cobain), etc, but generally "serious". (That doesn't mean the second group doesn't use humor at all, but it doesn't have a crucial role.)

So my point here is that different things can work for different people.

What works for me?

1. Good looks. Many people don't like hearing this, but looks matter. I know good looking and average looking guys who have good results, but somehow I don't know anybody ugly with good results. I'm rated by reliable sources as 7/10 - I'm not like a model, but I'm clearly above average. I'm like a 7/10 chick that is not super hot, but is pleasant to look at and a lot of guys will be interested in her.

From what I have experienced and been told directly by women, my 7/10 looks works even on 10/10 women. Not as a single definite factor, not in the way of "wow what a handsome guy! I need to fuck him because of his looks!". It works in combination with other factors.

2. Rapport building and nice, "sweet" vibe. I'm very good at building rapport, I'm a great listener - bit of a "therapist" type. (Note: many women fall in love with their therapists.)

3. Very intense sexuality and extremely high libido (it's probably linked with dopamine, perhaps also noradrenaline). BDSM desires to utterly dominate and humiliate the woman . Some sociopathic traits. Generally a "intense, perverse, dark sexuality" vibe. I don't have to act on it or speak about it - women can sense it.

I'm "bad" but not a classical "badboy with tatoos". I'm kind of "aristocratic", with disdain for the "plebes". I'm bit "evil" and "predatory" like a vampire. I don't dress goth or anything, but I have a bit of a "vampiric vibe".

Didn't I write under 2 that I'm nice and "sweet"? I did. I'm both nice/sweet and perverse/predatory/vampiric. Kind of "good" and "evil" at the same time.

BTW This contrast is the reason why I chose user name "Charming Psychopath". I'm not really a psychopath - it's a joke, but I'm not "normal" either. I have a reputation for being a bit of a psycho.

It's not a technique, it's what kind of person I am. And some women can sense there's something "different" about me - I've seen it numerous times.

I'm nice and warm when I talk to women. I don't act tough or edgy or anything like that. But they sense there's something else, sharper and darker, perverse, highly sexual, under the niceness - but it's not like the niceness is fake. No - it's genuine. And while I hide my "vampiric" side verbally, I don't hide it emotionally. I feel it, embrace my "predatory" desires and I hope the girl feels it as well. I want her to feel it. And I silently mock her, make her sense my "dark side" and observe her reaction - I "play with my prey", but far from crossing any social lines. And the girl generally doesn't know what's happening - she just senses there's "something else" there, but she doesn't know what exactly.

It's less about what I say, more about what the girl SENSES in me emotionally. What happens is "state transference" or "emotional contagion" - I draw the girl into the world of my "perverse" desires, without saying a word about them. While also making them feel nice, good and "sweet".

Just going back over your OP here.
Trying to understand some stuff.
re your description.
A lot of this lines up with my own understanding of what works in pickup/ attracting women and what is a Key thing for basing any kind of learning around

Basically, it’s that that women are highly attracted to Masculine Dominance ie Dominant men.

And Alpha males.
being that an Alpha Male =Dominant male.
Everything you are describing falls under that category but perhaps you don’t really see it clearly.

descriptions of being Aristocratic (Higher Status) , having an attitude of disdain for the plebs ( an attitude of ridicule for the below) and having a general dominant energy towards women including a dominant sexual energy.

Having high status facial looks somehow you described . appearing of high intelligence etc

that’s all a version of Alpha Male theory stuff tbh. A higher status male and behaviours of.

So in saying you are a 7/10 in looks but pulling 10/10s is not really correct. you said looks matter which is true. And that you have a ‘high status’ face. Which means you are not a 7/10 in looks to them. You’re higher than that. Does that make sense?

you are high status guy, pulling high status girls.

Basically. they regard you as a dominant male and a type of Alpha Male.

What I'm doing is largely similar to teachings of Gunwitch and what he wrote about sexual state. But in my case it's also perverse, kinky, predatory, "vampiric", etc etc - not only purely sexual.

BTW I advise against trying to copy my style if somebody doesn't have the right personality, if the perverse/predatory/"vampiric" states don't come naturally.


I will also write what doesn't work for me:

1. Any kind of supposed "Alpha Male" stuff.

2. Any kind of "lower her value" stuff like negs. (I sometimes tease the girl, but that's humor, not lowering her value)

Re 1. See above re Alpha Male. There’s many varieties of Alpha. And many types of Dominant men. Having High Status is a form of a Dominant man. He’s upper class , of a select few, etc etc.

being 7 foot tall and built like a brick shithouse is another form of a Dominant male. He is physically dominant.

a Machiavellian manipulator that has power over other men is yet another form.
Etc.

2. any kind of Teasing = putting an u flattering ‘Frame’ on the other = lowering their value by definition. So that’s incorrect by definition. Whether she laughs or not. Technically it’s all the same re Teasing.
As that’s what Teasing is all about from light teasing to hard teasing and antagonising.

It's something like:

1. If the girl didn't like me before, after the neg she still doesn't like me and additionally she gets mildly annoyed. Not that her annoyance matters - because she didn't like me before anyway, but I don't see any benefit either.

2. If the girl liked me before, she will react well because she likes me - but in such a case I don't need the neg, because she already liked me before.

Correct. It’s not necessary for you either way. You already have enough in your favor.

There was a time when Mystery Method was very popular here (after "The Game" was released). Many local guys here tried it and I have NEVER, EVER seen any of them have success with very hot women. Including guys who went to workshops with Mystery, Lovedrop and other MM coaches.

I find the theory that "hottest women must to be negged" wrong according to my experience. Because my experience is that I can talk to them nicely with the right sexual/perverse/predatory/"vampiric" state and it often works very well.

And how would those local guys have succeed with a Hot women with ANY style of approach? like, would it be a NO in every circumstance. Were they obviously Dorks/Nerds/Beta/ low value type guys?

BTW:

According to this, the typical female pornographic fantasy is that a innocent, well meaning and attractive young woman meets a male who is a bit of a monster.

And the most common type of a male in these female pornographic fantasies is a...vampire.

I’ve read that book it’s very good.
But the 2 highest featured terms in chicks Romance Novels/ fuckbooks and EroticLif as stated in the book are ;

‘Alpha’ and ‘Dominant’

So it all ties in in my mind.

 

[famineofcrows]

If the girl notices you and simply doesn’t want to talk to you/doesn’t consider you attractive, then in my experience there is no neg or routine or story and that can make her interested in an one on one scenario. She will just be frustrated that you are not getting that she doesn’t see you like this.

this has 100% been my experience too and i've never seen any evidence (from infields) that i'm wrong. I tend to know within seconds of an infield whether it will be a good or bad interaction for him. I'm like never wrong lol. Typically, his cold reads (you look like you're in fashion etc), teases (you look like trouble etc), negs, DHV stories, self amusement, qualification, disqualification etc etc simply delay the rejection.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

this has 100% been my experience too and i've never seen any evidence (from infields) that i'm wrong. I tend to know within seconds of an infield whether it will be a good or bad interaction for him. I'm like never wrong lol. Typically, his cold reads (you look like you're in fashion etc), teases (you look like trouble etc), negs, DHV stories, self amusement, qualification, disqualification etc etc simply delay the rejection.

What’s the guys name whose infields ur watching. I wanna see.

 

[famineofcrows]

What’s the guys name whose infields ur watching. I wanna see.

Oh I wasn't talking about one specific PUA. But I mean whenever I see an infield, I can always tell whether the PUA will end up NOT getting anywhere with the girl based on her reaction to his opener basically. Similarly, I can usually tell very fast when he's likely to get somewhere with her

I remember noticing this when I used to watch RSD infields and products too. I was excited at first, but when i'd re-watch teh same infeilds again and again to take notes and learn, i'd notice things I didn't like. Like when Max pulled a girl in 'the natural' it was basically ALWAYS a girl who gave him a massive IOI. (sometimes even opening him) - Similar with Julien. And when they'd open girls who were cold, the interactions just ended up in their 'rejection compilation' that they had in their paid products (Julien once worked his ass off and the best he got from the cold girl was a kind of smile which he took as a win and the infield ended so clearly he go nowhere with her. And that was seemingly his best example of 'turning' a girl who wasn't receptive)

And It's teh same for me. I know really very fast nowadays whether i'm wasting my time with a girl. Certainly within 10 seconds. I've experiemented and tested lots using various attraaction material and game etc, but never helped, and in hindsight i'm not surprised as what happens to me is waht happens to the pros lol.

And when I open a girl who I end up banging, I always feel it's kind of obvious to me, even if it's fairly subtle (a slight difference in her eye contact usually), within 20 seconds or so.

But in terms of who i've watched, I watched a lot of RSD, coach kyle, Austen Summers, Todd V, EvolutionDaily, James Tusk. Many others, but they spring to mind.

 

[Absolutely Human]

I've met Tyler, Papa, Julien and some other less known ones - not sure who they were (some kinds of asssistants or what?).
[...]

This is gold.

yep. Infield showed me Tyler just pretends to be Drunk Alpha frat guy. 15 sets in a row and it’s just the Arm Of God around the chick . That was it! And blown out 15 in a row . lol. He is a total sham scammer weirdo freak.

Julien I could see was playing that smart ass dominance game .(I rate that game tho it can work - but as you say on low self esteem .. but note a lot of Hot chicks have LSE!) <—- that’s my angle for SNLs and Bar & club pickups tbh. As it works.

So funny and interesting (and TBH I always suspected this), thanks for sharing.

Which PUAs would you say are actually good? And BTW any thought about the direct/indirect debate?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

The The The Big Lie and its lies lies Liu a

Oh I wasn't talking about one specific PUA. But I mean whenever I see an infield, I can always tell whether the PUA will end up NOT getting anywhere with the girl based on her reaction to his opener basically. Similarly, I can usually tell very fast when he's likely to get somewhere with her

I remember noticing this when I used to watch RSD infields and products too. I was excited at first, but when i'd re-watch teh same infeilds again and again to take notes and learn, i'd notice things I didn't like. Like when Max pulled a girl in 'the natural' it was basically ALWAYS a girl who gave him a massive IOI. (sometimes even opening him) - Similar with Julien. And when they'd open girls who were cold, the interactions just ended up in their 'rejection compilation' that they had in their paid products (Julien once worked his ass off and the best he got from the cold girl was a kind of smile which he took as a win and the infield ended so clearly he go nowhere with her. And that was seemingly his best example of 'turning' a girl who wasn't receptive)

And It's teh same for me. I know really very fast nowadays whether i'm wasting my time with a girl. Certainly within 10 seconds. I've experiemented and tested lots using various attraaction material and game etc, but never helped, and in hindsight i'm not surprised as what happens to me is waht happens to the pros lol.

And when I open a girl who I end up banging, I always feel it's kind of obvious to me, even if it's fairly subtle (a slight difference in her eye contact usually), within 20 seconds or so.

But in terms of who i've watched, I watched a lot of RSD, coach kyle, Austen Summers, Todd V, EvolutionDaily, James Tusk. Many others, but they spring to mind.

yes all true what u said. The ‘vibe’ is there.
On the street/ day game the odds are quite low. It’s either there or it’s not.

in a bar or a club girls act a differently. The brush off can be a front /bitch shield that needs breaking down first, getting results consistently, with decent quality girls in those environs requires more ‘tactics’ or else more looksmaxxing and still some tactics/ knowledge.

As it’s a closed environment , with a limited supply of quality girls, a guy can’t just keep bouncing bar to bar until he gets an instant ‘vibe’. Or else stay and rinse the whole bar approaching. Cos all the girls watching him do his thing, Yknow?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

So funny and interesting (and TBH I always suspected this), thanks for sharing.

Which PUAs would you say are actually good? And BTW any thought about the direct/indirect debate?

Scotty Flamingo aka Scotty GLL I would rate as very good. I found him through a reference in a blog from another older PUA named Sleazy who met Scotty and verified him as legit.

there are not many especially those online on YT videos with infield footage. Most of that is fake or won’t help tbh. I remember back in the day when Infield videos exploded online.. and me thibking “ how is this possible to be filmed and shared online ?? With breach of privacy laws. Etc??

then later most of it outed as fake, staged, paid actresses, ex GFs etc, most of RSDs was staged, Todd V too, almost all of it is pretty useless for learning ,doesn’t show much and is misguiding. Or ‘proof’ of some BS technical theory (RSD Especially). So beyond useless into misguiding or frauding territory. Imo

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

How it works with female attraction is quite straightforward and the same as male attraction. They look at you and have a thought pretty early in the first x seconds as thus;

(a) yep I’d fuck this guy . He’s hot!! Pure physical chemistry , which overrides his personality

(b) he’s cute, fuckable yeah, he could have other traits or value to bring to the party, over a longer period of getting to know him. He could be a match relationship wise.

(C) nah , no physical chemistry , not my type , would not have sex w him, but seems like a good dude perhaps , maybe set him up w a friend of mine , whatever.

(d) nah, not my type, and I don’t like his personality either. Nope . Fuck off. Meh.

(E) Ewwww IckI would not fuck this man in a million years. Or on a desert island to save humanity. Etc

Something like that,
I may fall into category (b) and in a club I’ll want to get ‘in’, ramp it up, turn her on, and try get her into the sack tonight to get the result of category (a). Using ‘methods’.

that’s kind my take.

 

[famineofcrows]

How it works with female attraction is quite straightforward and the same as male attraction. They look at you and have a thought pretty early in the first x seconds as thus;

(a) yep I’d fuck this guy . He’s hot!! Pure physical chemistry , which overrides his personality

(b) he’s cute, fuckable yeah, he could have other traits or value to bring to the party, over a longer period of getting to know him. He could be a match relationship wise.

(C) nah , no physical chemistry , not my type , would not have sex w him, but seems like a good dude perhaps , maybe set him up w a friend of mine , whatever.

(d) nah, not my type, and I don’t like his personality either. Nope . Fuck off. Meh.

(E) Ewwww IckI would not fuck this man in a million years. Or on a desert island to save humanity. Etc

Something like that,
I may fall into category (b) and in a club I’ll want to get ‘in’, ramp it up, turn her on, and try get her into the sack tonight to get the result of category (a). Using ‘methods’.

that’s kind my take.

Interestingly, even RSDJeffy recently backtracked a bit in the comments on one of his vids and essentially said 'some girls will price you out at the open based on your looks and there's nothing you can do about that. You're 'game' won't work'.

He'd never have addmitted that years ago. He'd have said 'limiting belief', 'girls aren't visual', 'game trumps all' or something like that

And it's what i've always kind of thought as I say, based on my own experience (and that of wings) plus infield footage. i.e All of us, even if we consider out selves to have teh best 'game' in the world, are just playing a numbers game and we're banging the girls who kind of already want us.

IN your example, you're saying the letter (a-e) is decided within a few seconds? And you can only bang the girls in a and b? So amazing 'game' wouldn't help with C, D and E?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

How it works with female attraction is quite straightforward and the same as male attraction. They look at you and have a thought pretty early in the first x seconds as thus;

(a) yep I’d fuck this guy . He’s hot!! Pure physical chemistry , which overrides his personality

(b) he’s cute, fuckable yeah, he could have other traits or value to bring to the party, over a longer period of getting to know him. He could be a match relationship wise.

(C) nah , no physical chemistry , not my type , would not have sex w him, but seems like a good dude perhaps , maybe set him up w a friend of mine , whatever.

(d) nah, not my type, and I don’t like his personality either. Nope . Fuck off. Meh.

(E) Ewwww IckI would not fuck this man in a million years. Or on a desert island to save humanity. Etc

Something like that,
I may fall into category (b) and in a club I’ll want to get ‘in’, ramp it up, turn her on, and try get her into the sack tonight to get the result of category (a). Using ‘methods’.

that’s kind my take.

Shit. I forgot a huge one

(b) should be shifted down one to (c)
The correct listing is
(a) Hot Guy
(b) High status guy. - after great looks, status can the biggest attractor actually.
Eg Older Club Owner Guy etc . DJ guy, drug dealer guy, Cute bouncer guy,
(c) cute guy, possibly boyfriend material guy… but he is kinda ignored in bars and clubs for short term mating for chicks ;-)
(d) ignored whatever
(E) ignored whatever
(F) Quasimodo guy fuck off

it depends on the environment . Bars and clubs it’s (a) and (b) primarily.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Interestingly, even RSDJeffy recently backtracked a bit in the comments on one of his vids and essentially said 'some girls will price you out at the open based on your looks and there's nothing you can do about that. You're 'game' won't work'.

He'd never have addmitted that years ago. He'd have said 'limiting belief', 'girls aren't visual', 'game trumps all' or something like that

And it's what i've always kind of thought as I say, based on my own experience (and that of wings) plus infield footage. i.e All of us, even if we consider out selves to have teh best 'game' in the world, are just playing a numbers game and we're banging the girls who kind of already want us.

IN your example, you're saying the letter (a-e) is decided within a few seconds? And you can only bang the girls in an and b? So amazing 'game' wouldn't help with C, D and E?

I updated my list for one big swing factor of Status/Money,

but for spittin verbal Game / game behaviours .. not unless he can talk her into believing he has Mad Status somehow. And she trades his status for her pvssy. Imo and ime from IRL observations. But she’ll want proof of it first. That’s a hard game.

but the ‘Tinder Swindler’ did something akin to that IRL. But Yknow that was a big operation and moreso to steal their money too.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

So it depends on the environment firstly.

1. Pickup Game in Bars and clubs
Or
2. Pickup Game in other environments, day time, work, gym, social circles and hobby groups etc etc

for 1. bars and clubs;
(a) Hot Guy and (b) High status guy kinda roll into one, the top tier for selection for women.

Hot guy = high status guy,
Club Owner, his co-associate social circle guys, the Hot Guys, the DJ / the cool band members, the drug dealer guys , the bouncers and lastly the Bartender all have the status in bars and clubs.

and all the hot chicks have the status in bars and clubs. And the more they are connected to the above guys, the more status they have. The club owners Hot GF probably at the top. Something like that. roughly.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Interestingly, even RSDJeffy recently backtracked a bit in the comments on one of his vids and essentially said 'some girls will price you out at the open based on your looks and there's nothing you can do about that. You're 'game' won't work'.

He'd never have addmitted that years ago. He'd have said 'limiting belief', 'girls aren't visual', 'game trumps all' or something like that

Re Jeffy.
Yeah he spouted the party line/rSD sprookage as he was on the payroll and employed by Tyler.

but I always rated Jeffy as did early days talk honestly about what getting Game actually looked like for him in Reality. (It was on transformations course or else The Jeffy Show) talking about being ‘on top of the mountain ‘ re getting laid from bars&clubs but also the Cons of it .. the ‘Thin Veneer of confidence’ that pua Game gave him. It was 100% true. Surprised Tyler let him say that back then, under his brand.

that’s why Jeffy hit the gym and buffed up.
To get more real inner source confidence.

jeffys take on it and his style is similar to mine so I still check out his recent channel vids now and again. He’s still pretty witty . Always was the funniest of the bunch.

he works Status via frame control techniques and knowledge. Which is my theory and ideas too re success in bars & clubs. Projecting Dominant male qualities to get the girl over the line. More or less.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I’ll keep going with my stream of consciousness now re Status in bars and clubs and what women look out for in selection.

So say for example one closed scenario -a busy lounge bar with a verandah. Lots of chicks and dudes. So there are the high status guys l listed already. Say all are present and on the chicks radar .

then there are other guys. Some are outlier guys.
> In one corner there is a Tall , fairly handsome long haired magician guy dressed all rockstar and captivating attention of a table of people. The small crowd is all going “wow! No way!” He’s got some relative status going on.

> in another corner there is a short bald guy dressed uniquely. He is captivating some chick doing some mind reading shit. Other girls are watching over , intrigued.

> in yet another corner there is a tall handsome grey haired fox guy in a tuxedo. He looks rich. He’s bantering with an attractive woman. She’s cracking up at his Wit, he’s got relative status.

> and in yet another corner there is a handsome guy , dressed like Johnny Depp.
he seems to be waxing poetically and a romancer type. Hes talking to a pretty chick and she’s entranced and swooning.

So in this scenario of a closed shop environ, the other girls are always watching, judging and sometimes thinking “ that looks more interesting than what IM doing, I want some of THAT” .

that’d be a general analysis using some well known PUA characters.

 

[D. Gately]

After analysing this my impression is that looks, the personality signaled by a man's face and vibe is something really complicated. People rate themselves in a simple manner like good looking/average/bad looking, but in reality every man's face is a complex message.

I think this is 100% spot-on.

I was told by maybe the sexiest girl I ever dated, that I reminded her of the character of the President in Scandal:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001282/mediaviewer/rm3769445120/

"I don't think I look like him," but she said it's more than just pure facial similarity, it's your smile, the mannerisms, the expressions you give, your confident delivery, your attitude, the hair.

I've never seen the show for more than 5 minutes total, but I understood what she was trying to convey.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I think this is 100% spot-on.

I was told by maybe the sexiest girl I ever dated, that I reminded her of the character of the President in Scandal:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001282/mediaviewer/rm3769445120/

"I don't think I look like him," but she said it's more than just pure facial similarity, it's your smile, the mannerisms, the expressions you give, your confident delivery, your attitude, the hair.

I've never seen the show for more than 5 minutes total, but I understood what she was trying to convey.

Aka High status guy

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I remember noticing this when I used to watch RSD infields and products too. I was excited at first, but when i'd re-watch teh same infeilds again and again to take notes and learn, i'd notice things I didn't like. Like when Max pulled a girl in 'the natural' it was basically ALWAYS a girl who gave him a massive IOI. (sometimes even opening him) - Similar with Julien. And when they'd open girls who were cold, the interactions just ended up in their 'rejection compilation' that they had in their paid products (Julien once worked his ass off and the best he got from the cold girl was a kind of smile which he took as a win and the infield ended so clearly he go nowhere with her. And that was seemingly his best example of 'turning' a girl who wasn't receptive)

Lol’ing a bit at this as I remember watching ‘the natural’ and Juliens course too (for get the product name ?....’psycho-douche 10 game’ or somesuch)

especially Max’s infield. I could tell early something wasn’t right . Like it was staged.
RSD had this classic trope of a cheesy camera shot at the end of Max + Girl walking off hand in hand. It was common across the various instructor videos. (RSD Madison’s also).

re Juliens I felt *some* of it looked real. that he actually pulled at times. Cos it looked messy and girls often had resistence still walking back to her place w him. One example a drunk blonde girl is complaining to him “I wish you could just be more REAL,”, “ur being a dick ” etc lol.
and she’s clearly drunk in speech and walking.

Juliens footage just came off as him psycho-mind-gaming them a bit too hard with his NLP lingo stuff. He over does it . I guess to get the ‘sensational’ type footage.

And It's teh same for me. I know really very fast nowadays whether i'm wasting my time with a girl. Certainly within 10 seconds. I've experiemented and tested lots using various attraaction material and game etc, but never helped, and in hindsight i'm not surprised as what happens to me is waht happens to the pros lol.

And when I open a girl who I end up banging, I always feel it's kind of obvious to me, even if it's fairly subtle (a slight difference in her eye contact usually), within 20 seconds or so.

But in terms of who i've watched, I watched a lot of RSD, coach kyle, Austen Summers, Todd V, EvolutionDaily, James Tusk. Many others, but they spring to mind.

Yeah I get that.. but Yknow I’d be careful calling those guys “pros” . Ive known guys IRL that get great traction with hard teasing.
Like … to a level I hadn’t seen before. One guy I knew a lot of his game was hard teasing and creating jealousy plot line type of shit between girls for example.
He was Brazilian and very Brazen.
‘Brazen Brazilian Game ‘ I guess.
(Boom tish) lol.

When I was experimenting back in the day and learning new things about women, some pulls, would be for a lot of the interaction , lots of teasing back and forth, a ‘Banter War’,
and at times during experiment days, I’d risk a hard neg type tease early on ,just to see the result,, a fair few times was surprised at the effect tbh.

That got me wondering if some types of women love a ‘cruel streak’ in a man or some such. Some maybe respect a man that can “punish” or ‘tongue lash’ them.

it ties back to some older things/advice I got as a teenager about women I didn’t understand when younger

- “women love a Bastard”
(heard that from a woman)

and

-“ treat them mean, keep them keen”
(Heard from older dudes)

And this ‘cruel streak’ idea ties into some of what @CharmingPsychopath talks about.

Some of what he says re negs is also contradictory in a humorous way. Re his perverse inner dialogue of sexual domination vs his opinion of using Negs in speech.

If I exaggerate a bit, it stuff like

“ I want to dominate her, completely devour her, tie her up, make her mine, fuck her in every hole and blow my cum all over her face. Then suck her blood! etc

and then when I’m finished ..take her to my basement , put her down in my well, get her to lotion her skin for a week , then chop her up and wear her skin as a suit ,

These are my secret perverse desires oh yesssss…

but there’s one thing I WOULDNT do , I tell you… I wouldn’t be NEGGING her.

….that would be rude.”



kinda funny no?

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Another steam of consciousness post.
Apolgies if I’m spamming thread here. But it does relate somewhat to the books I prefer (The Game/ MM)

from experience , I tend to consider pickup especially in bars and clubs but also generally to be about, primarily ..Sex. For both parties involved.

so . In my mental map , regardless of rating if a chick from 6-10. The following may be the case with her situation when I meet her

1. she may already have sex on her mind. Maybe she got some lately, but wasn’t very good. She’s on the lookout.

2. It’s not on her mind to the forefront , but she could be warmed up to the idea of good sex in a quick timeframe (ONS or a day2)

3. she is not interested in sex at this time, (for various reasons)

*Also importantly for 1&2*
what kind of sex.. There’s a % of chicks who may prefer a more ‘hardcore’ / dominant variety for a ONS w a relative stranger. (A lot lean towards this for a ONS tbh as it’s no strings , discreet Fun. = they want a dominant guy for the fun. So if the vibe is there they’ll feel this out w the guy, in various ways , ie test him, observe behaviour.


So, general process for me is to try meet her, get to know type a little bit, a feel or gauge where she is at to the above 3 scenarios, based on her words, behaviour and signals. What her current situation and logistics are that night ..and then if it’s good .. RAMP up. Start displaying the traits of what she may be open to that night.

Basically big signals to her “ IM that kind of guy - I can give you a good lay /pounding tonight.”

that’s the general mind map of it I have.
a lot of it is ‘signalling ‘ to me the general process. As the interaction goes on it goes more from Indirect to start with , into more direct at the end. The woman can get become more direct towards the end usually.

And from experience the old saying “ you never can tell” rings true for me re women and sex.

Sometimes the librarian type likes to be tied up. Or the well paid finance manager can say “I like to be fucked HARD” and surprise me. Like one I had last year
Other times the chick dressed up super sexy can be a a ‘dead root’ in the sack also and not make much effort.

never know which chick out there has the ‘magic pussy’ either. I’ve had one little chick in the past , with a funny face , but a good body (lotsa gym).. I wouldn’t show her off to my friends. But man, her pussy was …heavenly I tells ya.

The fit and finish was amazing Lol.

 

[famineofcrows]

One guy I knew a lot of his game was hard teasing

but she could be warmed up to the idea of good sex in a quick timeframe

I like teasing and even sex talk and, tbh, 'most' stuff that falls under the umbrella of 'game', but my issue is that for me, and seemingly for pros (who have infield), none of it is useful for the girls who just aren't attracted to you. Not at all receptive. And, depending on your 'fundamentals' and their age relative to yours (and other variables out of your control), that could be a hell of a lot of girls in a row

And to add to that, I sometimes wonder how much is even necessary when you DO open the ones who want you. It can be effortless where SHE is the one doing all of the 'work'

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I like teasing and even sex talk and, tbh, 'most' stuff that falls under the umbrella of 'game', but my issue is that for me, and seemingly for pros (who have infield), none of it is useful for the girls who just aren't attracted to you. Not at all receptive. And, depending on your 'fundamentals' and their age relative to yours (and other variables out of your control), that could be a hell of a lot of girls in a row

And to add to that, I sometimes wonder how much is even necessary when you DO open the ones who want you. It can be effortless where SHE is the one doing all of the 'work'

Yes this is all true. It is still a numbers game of being her attractive type somewhat,
If it’s not there , it can’t be created via Gaming her.

And the problem of mass / spam approaching, where there are no iOi’s at all sent out by the chicks, and guys do 1,000 approaches and get not much, 2 girls who liked him

For me the Game books I liked (Strauss/mystery method) are useful training wheels for inexperienced guys to try learn some stuff.

mystery’s method is over-gaming for sure in a lot of cases. But better to start with a longer process , have some success w it (hopefully) and then compress the process, and acquire the ‘knack’ /intuition from experiences.

I think a lot of the failings was inexperienced guys reading the books, dressing up with crazy flashy peacock gear with platform books and rolling up to hot chicks with openers …expecting miracles to happen off the bat.

I have a friend who has been struggling for years , done a few weekenders w dating coaches , got coaching, read books etc but I keep telling him he has to lower his standards to begin with. He is wayyy too picky given his experience and understanding of women.

he has to small chunk the fundamentals and practice flirting with lesser chicks , get the knack and move up towards his ideal ladies .