You are describing your face a lot in detail. Which is ok but Yknow what they say -‘ a picture tells a thousand words’
Get one of your selfies on the phone and put a blur filter on it set to 50% . Then upload it to photobucket or whatever and link it if you can. I’d like to see you general proportions of face. And hairline etc etc will tell me and us a lot in a picture. I use a HashPhotos app. It has a ‘tilt shift’ blur filter function to do this in 2 secs. Then screenshot the blurred imagine. Presto!
I don't think this makes sense. I don't understand what women see in me even looking point-black in the mirror, without any blur.
I think I have kind of wide face, large forehead, wide cheekbones and jaw. But not square and not chiseled. Kind of "round-ish" wide face, but also not lacking shape. I must say I do think that my face has more distinct, clearly male features than most men. It's not brutish in any way, but the shape, proportions seem to be more male than average. Oh but also I look very young for my age - maybe around 10 years younger.
Eyes do seem intense and intelligent and I think kind of pretty.
Ok, this begins to feel narcisstic or auto-erotic.
I must say that when I started comparing myself to other men and looking at their specific face parts, I've started to notice A LOT of faults in them. Even in men who are considered very attractive.
I start to feel tired and repulsed by this male face analisys I started to get drawn into.
I've asked my girlfriend about this. She says I seem to think that being attractive is having a face like a model. She says she thinks I'm 7/10, but I'm
also (separately) very sexual and it's natural for women to think about sex when looking at my face. (
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She says that I make women feel sexual, become horny - in a pleasant, cozy manner. She says I "feel" like a long, throughout , completely satisfying pounding and then laying comfortably with cum in pussy, with a blissful smile. She also says there is something dark, predatory, dominating in me and it's also extremely good. Like aside from looking like "blissful, satisfying fuck", I also look like somebody who will dominate and "trash" a girl, "make her nothing". (Which many women are drawn towards.) She says in addition to the previous things, I also look nice, sweet, caring, trustworthy and intelligent. She says that I make women feel certain things, think about certain activities and even imagine, experience these activities in their minds (like cum in pusssy!!! or being strongly dominated, humiliated...).
She says there are many great looking men who FEEL "meh". Like the guy is a pretty mannequin or maybe a pretty "male-girl".
She says I pay too much attention to looks and not enough to what a man actually "FEELS" like.
She also thinks it's extreme nonsense that I ever had any problems with women and that it was all in my head.
She say's I'm physically 7/10, but 10/10 if a woman feels my sexual vibe. She thinks reaction depends on the girl's intuition, her level of sexuality, etc etc.
She says a man can bamboozle girls with weak intution, but a girl with strong intution knows what kind of lover and partner a man is even before he open his mouth.
She knows about the PUA community and think it's misguided - she thinks PUA don't really understand how the whole thing works and are in reality relying on luck to find a girl compatible with them by approaching many.
yep. Infield showed me Tyler just pretends to be Drunk Alpha frat guy. 15 sets in a row and it’s just the Arm Of God around the chick . That was it! And blown out 15 in a row . lol. He is a total sham scammer weirdo freak.
I was literally shocked by how retarded he was.
But his cultists were so brainwashed that it didn't occur to them that being rudely rejected by several sets in a row is bad game, not good game. Like they didn't even understand that the goal of pickup to get the girls, not get rejected by them.
Both things were completely insane, mental asylum vibe.
Julien I could see was playing that smart ass dominance game .(I rate that game tho it can work - but as you say on low self esteem .. but note a lot of Hot chicks have LSE!) <—- that’s my angle for SNLs and Bar & club pickups tbh. As it works.
Julien was acting like a real douchebag (which he IS, not just with girls). It wasn't witty or anything cool. It was like a brutal screening process to find a girl with self-esteem, self-respect so low she will go to bad with a obvious douchebag.
What strikes me is that both Tyler and Julien were pushing something rude, which would be rejected by people with high self-esteem, standards, etc... And I mean both how they were treating girls and what they were showing to the PUA people observing them.
With girls it was like a brutal screening to find a girl desperate enough or drunk enough or masochistic enough or whatever to sleep with them.
With PUA men it was like a brutal screening to find naive cretins who don't know any better and will become obedient worshippers/sponsors.
I think this was their overall model for both seduction and business - screening to find naive, retarded people, easy victims, etc.
BTW Was it Tyler who created the term "plowing"? Like "plowing routines? or something? I think this is exactly what their model was - plowing through people, women and men alike, in order to find the easy pickings.
Papa was notoriously useless and possibly borderline autist. Just had the money from his Daddy and Tyler used him. The money man/ business guy.
I don't think he was autistic (unlike Tyler who seemed very robotic and not like a real, living person) - he seemed SLY. It was visible he knows he's scamming people. It was like Tyler and Julien seemed to believe what they're doing - which didn't have to be real belief, could be simply congruency caused by practising pickup over and over. Papa was more incongruent. He felt like a emotionally and sexually weak, but sly guy.
max -not surprised but thought he could do better as he had a buff body and solid physical frame. And a square chadish face?
I'm sure he could do better. And the same goes for Julien. They're both good looking. Even Tyler, who's not good looking, could do better if he wasn't doing the drunk retard stuff.
I really don't understand why they didn't learn and use proper game.
Maybe Tyler, being a retard started the retard thing and brainwashed others into it? But didn't Julien and Max even meet, see any seducers who were really good and realise the "retard plowing/screening for easy victims"" isn't the optimal way?
Todd - 100%
His courses as Todd V were redic the levels of complication and ‘technical game’ he went into. Then his day game infield he gets blown out all over the show. So much for Technical Todd Game. And of course his girlfriend was busted.
I really don't get how anybody can practice pickup and have a ugly girlfriend like Todd does (4/10 in my opinion). I think that even if somebody sucks, he still should be able to find to a 6/10 or even a average 5/10 with some effert and time. No reason to bang and impregnate a 4/10.
Negs, the PUA definition, has always been a mystery to me (no pun intended).
Same here. I've tried them and failed, I've seen other people fail with them also - including people who trained under Mystery himself. Somehow nobody from the people I've met can make Negs work as advertised.
Many people say Negs work for them, but on closer examination it turns out they're doing normal teasing/banter - which is something different from original Negs. And also usually they get 6-7s with their supposed "Negs" - which is contrary to the original concept, which was supposed to work on very hot women and actually BACKFIRE on 6-7s.
My conclusion is that
Negs don't work. Sure, somebody can get laid sometimes
despite using Negs, but the technique generally doesn't work as advertised.
I also think Mystery is a liar.
He marketed himself as the guy who's getting the hottest models.... But if one looks at Katya from "The Game", where she's described as "SHB 9.5".... I rate her 6, max 7.
@Brassfaced_Jim rates her as maybe 8. Nobody seems to think she's 9.5, nobody she's a top quality woman in her.
I've seen photo and video evidence, as well as witness opinions suggesting that Mystery was seducing and getting laid mostly with 6-7 range women, with only some 8+ women. Which is a normal "mix" found among seducers. It''s frequently encountered that somebody gets laid with a few lesser 6-7 range women for every 8+ woman he bangs. It's common among competent , active seducers, nothing wrong with that. Except Mystery presented himself to the community as some kind of expert at getting top class women, suggesting he was getting laid mostly or even only with them.
I think Mystery
gamed the pickup community. Utilised the "right moment" he had when he was already quite competent, and most of the community was very weak. Created a image of a super seducer getting laid with supermodels... By essentially telling one long DHV routine to the community.
These were the times when Ross Jeffries was dominating the seduction market by telling people that their problem was that there were "too nice", that they were "supplicants", etc etc. It was essentially marketing based on evoking a emotion of anger, even...revenge! There was this "revolutionary" vibe of men reclaiming their power and finally getting all the hot women they deserve... And that now THEY, the men, would easily manipulate the clueless women, not the other way around - which had a certain "revenge" vibe in it. (BTW Back then PUA community was attracting the "angry" type of men who now go to Red Pill communtiy instead.)
I suspect Mystery might have created the Negs concept...as a marketing, self-promotion tool. Copying the emotional core of Ross'es marketing and hitting the "revenge" vibe of "now we will turn the tables...now we will manipulate the hottest women and now THEY will chase US!".
Why else would Mystery - a competent seducer with large practical experience - promote a technique which doesn't work as advertised?
I think that it's because it was never meant to be a working seduction technique, but instead a marketing, self-promotion tool.
Like what are guys really trying to accomplish by making a chick feel "less than".
Good question.
My experience is that trying to do that either make the chick antagonistic and combative, either sour and withdrawn.
My experience is that good pickup is friendly and cooperative. Which includes banter/teasing - it's not really hostile, it's more about two people playing a fun game.
[quoting] "You need negs for the mega hotties"
I know from experience that Negs are NOT needed for mega hotties. It's a false belief.
Hot girls get approached a fuck ton - even at clubs, especially with the music pumping and the alcohol/drugs flowing.
Absolutely!
Does popping her over inflated ego feel good? Rarely. Revenge is best in the movies or on reddit threads.
From what I've seen, this usually leads to
sour atmosphere of one kind or another. Either it becomes a combative atmosfere when the girls starts to act mean or a isolationist "you've hurt me, you're mean, leave me alone".
My own personal, non-representative sample of interactions with [dating/banging/friends] high-fashion models, fit models, pageant girls, and fitness models in the NE and Miami confirms this over the past decade+.
As well as for 'regular' college and grad students who would be rated 7.5+ having lots of anxiety over facial looks, boobs, weight [high and low], height [same, esp for really tall women] size of thighs, butt, et al.
Negging these girls doesn't work.
"Doesn't work" - exactly my experience with Negs.
As to whether or not it worked on 9.5-10s twenty years ago is irrelevant imho.
Irrrelevant or not, in my experience Negs did NOT work 20 years ago as well.
The part I go on and on about here and a prior forum, is if you're the best-dressed guy she sees all day, that matters, that intrigues her at a minimum. Moreso if she's someone who works in and around the fashion industry.
This is a very powerful thing, which is usually not understood by PUAs.
As long as you're within 1-2 pts of her SMV you'll have an opportunity for pickup IRL or online.
I've noticed many 9-10 women have or had at some point 7/10 boyfriends. But I haven't seen any with 6/10 guys who weren't very rich, famous, etc.
I read MM like he assumes the club queen has a bitch shield. So regardless of your approach she may neg or reject you based on impulse.
So the idea is to be able to rally the ball back to her and disprove her assumption that you have her on a pedestal. Same girl who may be super friendly if you see her in the day.
Club queens do reject guys a lot, so yes, they have a let's say "auto-pilot".
But the problem is that Negs don't work in disarming that. If she's not interested in a man, she's also not interested in what some lame weirdo has to say about her nails, etc. And she doesn't care if he's putting her on the pedestal or not - she just wants him to not bother her.
I’ll explain with an example.
I visited a titty bar today . Hot bartender serves me. Lots of attitude. My friends in the bathroom and I order my drink.. I’m waiting to get his drink order..
her “a beer is that it?
Me (thinking out loud) -“no there’s one more ..hmmm what else did I want.”
Her (bitchy , impatient) - “how should I know I’m not a mind reader”
a little neg hit at that moment here would have been great.Why?
because it’s about ‘Respect.’
guys I know are very good here. They use it to get respect firstly, off the bat w hot chicks. Cos hot chicks are generally b1tches.
If a chick reacts testy, they are fantastic at putting her in her place / back in her box so to speak. Chicks respect that. The guy has a backbone etc.
"Hot chicks are generally bitches" where you live? Or is it just a perception?
Personally I would avoid any kind of "battle for respect", "ego battle" in such (or any) situation.
I would think about having sex with her. Maybe something dominant, like she's kneeling with my dick in her mouth and I'm holding her by the hair. I would allow my body to react, to live that vision, make me feel warm and pleasant. BTW It's not a "revenge vision". It a positive, pleasurable vision. I think kneeling before me and sucking my dick is GOOD for her. In fact, it will heal her mind and emotions, make her happy. I'm doing this to help her!
I would allow a vision of sex with her fill my body as a physical feeling, I'd bring it to my face, eyes, voice...
I'd smile knowingly and pleased, like something good has just happened to me... A bit like "you don't know yet that I will cum in you over and over and you'll absolutely LOVE it, silly sweet girl....".
And then I'll say something polite, out of sync with my actual, highly sexual state.
Like even a slow, warm... "Ok......" Like I had just cummed in and over her several times. And she's my sweet fuck girl, my lovely pussy kitten. And I let get feel, absorb the energy... I'm not impatient, I don't need immediate reaction. I just make sure she gets a sufficient amount of explosure and she starts to feel it (not necessarily react to strong at this moment).
I might then just take my beer and sit with my friends. Feeling relaxed and warm and like I was maybe having my dick in her mouth. Thinking about what kind of amazing stud I am and how she's my sweet cum kitty. [In case somebody is confused: this means I'm having beer with my friends, but I keep my energy focused on my imaginatory sex with her].
I keep thinking on how incredibly submissive and sweet she is, how she absolutely loves my cock and cum. How it's so endearing, how it makes me feel warm and kind of love her. She's so sweet and devoted, she takes care of me so well, it melts my heart. I could marry that girl and I know I'd be happy. I want to her kids with her.
At one point I might walk up to her, make eye contact and make her feel my vibe again. Smile knowingly like I know something she doesn't. And like it's all silly, because our future together already has been decided and it's very warm, full of love and FULL of my cum inside and all over her - and her LOVING every bit of it.
I look for signs indicating her state changed. Could be warm smiles, but could be even confusion, look of being puzzled on her face. I might repeat it a bit, if I see no reaction I do more blatant, intensive eye contact.
Then I start small innocent talk about anything at all... Like maybe drinks...what drink she thinks are the best? Ok, blah blah blah, I know this restaurant, they have great food/drinks there... I'd like to go there together with you. Inside I'm thinking she's already in love with me and of course wants me cum inside her/all over her, but she hasn't yet realised that full or doesn't know how to express it, so I should be gentle.
I see this as me drawing her in my vibe. So we are both in a vibe highly conductive to having sex.
If I would respond with rude words to her rude words....how does does the mutual rude vibe gets us anywhere near bed?
I might even use some teasing/banter - if the situation feels right for it. But the teasing/banter is inside a "we like each other" vibe.
BTW I've met a lot of PUAs who were asexual, emotionally blocked or even seemed retarded like they had Aspergers or something. I think my method would never work for many people and I understand why many people need a more verbal kind of seduction.
