Spitballing - What is this conversation about?

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Just throwing something out there.
I’ve been watching and studying a lot of Brent Smiths stuff (his ‘absolute power dating/ attract hotter women’ videos books etc)

specifically meditation on one video that’s very thought provoking for me as I’m current doing Online and it’s been a very shit experience tbh.

The video is on rhe YouTube channel Cliffs List and it’s called “Brent Smith Explains His Text Game Strategy”,
It’s a great and very funny video,

Brent’s rule is the woman HAS to be pursuing him . Otherwise he’s out.

In the video he says a few things that make so much sense to me after grinding online with chats that go nowhere. highlights are

1. Texting is a tool to plan to get together. Period . That’s it,

2. He doesn’t have long conversations

3. He gives them one word answers at times.

4. He doesn’t try to keep them interested , he doesn’t try to get them MORE interested, they are already interested (this is a great point of rationality)

5, he asks a few questions and gets down to business . Such as “so I suppose you want to get together “ ( wow, what balls!)

6. lastly and the title of this thread he says this “ what is this conversation about ? Why are you taking up my time on my text messages?” ( also great rationale as we should always be busier with other things if we are dominant, have any kind of attractive life and status)

so the caveat to Brent’s methods is of course that Brent is tall, successful and extremely good looking .

but for me as a 7-8 guy it still applies to me and girls in my league.

so it got me thinking - What IS the conversation really about? She liked my profile we matched and chatting. I don’t need to keep her interested or make her MORE interested . “The more you tell them the more you repell them” as Brent says it nicely.

I find this to be 100% correct, the longer the texting goes on with me and a chick the higher chance it fizzles and goes nowhere .

I don’t want to read massive texting and online guides here guys sorry, I have already studied 10,000 pua books and courses and have 1 TB hard drive full of them.

Can some guys with success please give me your ideas on this question “ what is the conversation about?”

ie what are they screening for in the chat if they are already interested from the profile pics and bio enough to hit the like button.

The only success with big chats I’ve had are when I turn it seductive with speed seduction type sensual sexting.

after one or two success with this I’ve had the chicks come straight to my place . One girl gave me a handjob .blowjob in my kitchen and lounge within about 5 minutes it worked so well.

BUT .. that is a LOT of work and effort and has to be slid into just the right way in the chat.

so again what is it that the girls are really trying to establish in the chat? Dominance?

Or that a guy is good with words and evocative so he can get her lubed up enough to get off her lazy ass and meet him…?

Cheers. Jim

Ps happy to post the sexting if anyone wants to see it .. but it’s very long indeed.

Also pps not spamming, genuine question all opinions, thoughts and musings appreciated.

 

[Francis]

what is the conversation about?

screening.
(flipping the script)

-how she's treated
-her best qualities
-how happy she is

qualified safe and worth getting to know

compliance test move to text
attainability (reassuring interest, warning slow response)

Basic online structure 101

@Atlas IV asked for a basic structure here ....... I am not going to go into pics, apps, etc.... I will go more over the "structure".... Guys that i seen good at online, we all share kind of identical structure, i know because we were all in underground groups together.... Everyone, knows who...

www.skilledseducer.com

then banter > soft close > hard close

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

screening.
(flipping the script)

-how she's treated
-her best qualities
-how happy she is

qualified safe and worth getting to know

compliance test move to text
attainability (reassuring interest, warning slow response)

Basic online structure 101

@Atlas IV asked for a basic structure here ....... I am not going to go into pics, apps, etc.... I will go more over the "structure".... Guys that i seen good at online, we all share kind of identical structure, i know because we were all in underground groups together.... Everyone, knows who...

www.skilledseducer.com

then banter > soft close > hard close

Ok but this is from your perspective.
I’m tryna figure out what’s the purpose from her perspective. Ie the *real* purpose

they use it to screen and test definitely but to what end .

Eg she saw the guys profile and liked it and intrigued enough to know more,
so she’s already interested yes?
from a woman’s POV what’s the objective of the chat. Why would she not be open to bounce straight to a date in a public place at daytime to suss out chemistry,
What does she ideally want to happen or feel the chat with the guy basically .(?)

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Ps thanks for the guide I had a squizz through it . It’s pretty good. But there is not much banter in the OD chat bit. It’s a bit “nice guy “ esque.

my stock opener is
“Hi X (wave emoji)
Nice bio.”

that got me a good reply rate.
Or else
“Hi X (wave emoji)
Nice bio. How are you going on here.. and how are you today?”

Not as good strike rate with #2

I do recall experimenting in the past and I have opened preciously with

“ your bio sucks”

which got a response of
“haha I know what you’re doing ”
Me - and what’s that
Her - “you’re negging me”

Which led me to further banter and chat, then 3 dates and a lay. and she was pretty sexy (but a motormouth drainer so I binned her after 2 lays I think)

what’s a really risky high stakes banter opener ? Im trying to optimise the chat to high risk/ high stakes banter. It gives tons of momentum off the bat.

something like the above but perhaps extended
“You’re profile sucks massive donkey dick”

I want to be ballsy, hard bantering and polarising off the bat. That will eliminate go nowhere convos or girls just curious or on the fence .

 

[D. Gately]

Yeah, as said above, they're screening you. Do you come across as pyschotic/doormat, do you immediately send dick pics, can you communicate, etc.

I agree with the person you mentioned, it's not for everyone but I keep texting to the bare minimum to set up dates and meets. I'm 2x their age, they're already interested, get them out on a real date and see if there's chemistry, sometimes I just say that. 'Let's see if we have great chemistry.'

Im trying to optimise the chat to high risk/ high stakes banter. It gives tons of momentum off the bat.

Often, I will simply ask them upfront if they're submissive and into kink or bondage. You get some great replies and the time-wasters don't respond. Unless, you're what they wanted in the first place.

Any girl with lots of tattoos/piercings that looks kinky I just go straight in to that convo. Saves everyone time. Also you don't want to get her out on the date and find out she thinks she's the dominant one, lol.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Yeah, as said above, they're screening you. Do you come across as pyschotic/doormat, do you immediately send dick pics, can you communicate, etc.

I agree with the person you mentioned, it's not for everyone but I keep texting to the bare minimum to set up dates and meets. I'm 2x their age, they're already interested, get them out on a real date and see if there's chemistry, sometimes I just say that. 'Let's see if we have great chemistry.'




Often, I will simply ask them upfront if they're submissive and into kink or bondage. You get some great replies and the time-wasters don't respond. Unless, you're what they wanted in the first place.

Any girl with lots of tattoos/piercings that looks kinky I just go straight in to that convo. Saves everyone time. Also you don't want to get her out on the date and find out she thinks she's the dominant one, lol.

Awesome stuff my man!
I try to work this way too after listening to Brent a lot. That man’s mindset is rock solid.
Albeit he has massive Looks Value swinging in his favor.

Could you pretty please post an example of a short back and forth.
I think this is absolutely key to online game and just in general really.

To me id nutshell it as ‘It’s not about who you are, it’s who she thinks you ’. (?)
Gotta let a lot of stuff percolating in a chicks brain imo, to get her off her lazy ass eating cheetos on the couch .and into motion.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Corrected -
‘It’s not about who you are, it’s who she thinks you are /may be’

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Yeah, as said above, they're screening you. Do you come across as pyschotic/doormat, do you immediately send dick pics, can you communicate, etc.

I agree with the person you mentioned, it's not for everyone but I keep texting to the bare minimum to set up dates and meets. I'm 2x their age, they're already interested, get them out on a real date and see if there's chemistry, sometimes I just say that. 'Let's see if we have great chemistry.'




Often, I will simply ask them upfront if they're submissive and into kink or bondage. You get some great replies and the time-wasters don't respond. Unless, you're what they wanted in the first place.

Any girl with lots of tattoos/piercings that looks kinky I just go straight in to that convo. Saves everyone time. Also you don't want to get her out on the date and find out she thinks she's the dominant one, lol.

Also would love to hear your tips on your photos and bio section re online game .
Cheers Jim

 

[Ratata]

I love Brent, and I've used - and still use - his "method" (which he claims is not a method) extensively. It makes seduction effortless (when it works). It makes you try less. It makes you more outcome independent (which actually may require a bit of discipline sometimes, because with a hot woman it can be hard to not lean in).
I've gotten it to a point where women give me those begging looks. Like, I don't think I'm traditionally handsome, but just by employing the techniques of outcome independence, women start to act strange around them, such that you can just take their hand, bring them outside, pin them against the wall, make out, and then smile and simply tell her: "Come."

Questions:

What’s the chat actually for (her POV)?

Honest question: Why would care? A guy who really gets Brent wouldn't worry about that, and instead focus on his own life and goals.

The "chat" (I'm assuming texting from online dating here, which is not by forte, so correct me if I'm wrong, but) should establish at least some comfort first, basic get-to-know things. And then, when commonalities and comfort is established, make an invitation to meet up in real life (presumably for sex, but in Brent's world, sex is assumed so don't even worry about it).

If she accepts the invitation: Cool. Make the plans. But if she doesn't take the invitation, then shoot the ball into her corner, so to speak. Tell her something along the lines of "That's cool. Just shoot me a text when you want to meet." And that's that. Move on with your life.

Honestly, though - and this might hit you hard, but - most of your questions are not really in the spirit of Brent. They circle around your need to analyse women, in order to understand her better, so you can game her. Brent doesn't care about any of that. Outside, perhaps, on a purely scientific or philosophical pursuit for its own sake, that is really outside the realm of seduction.

Why not jump straight to a date?

It's generally a bad idea without establishing at least a bit of commonality and comfort with her. From Brent's perspective, that doesn't mean that you can't flirt or be sexy or even vulgar, if you do it for your own amusement. But most of his talks are geared towards those men who are tired of all the games and all the hard work. His advice circle around using zero effort, and still getting super hot women. Moreover, you'll probably notice that when you start to care much less about outcomes or "gaming" her, then you'll start to attract the really hot girl. Like, it's strange, but they'll eat out of your hand, they'll beg to suck your dick even. It's hard to explain. You won't get there until you truly stop caring, and when you truly take back the power in the interaction. I sometimes think women have a sixth sense for desperation. OTOH when you master this, don't be surprised if women jump at you, try to kiss you, try to kiss you even if her bf is in the room - whenever he looks away (I've experienced some crazy shit once I got this).

What does she want to feel in the chat?

Again, dude. Sorry. This will probably hurt, but the question itself seems needy. She wants to feel that you're the man and that she has to work for you, but here's some bad news: you can't fake it - not in Brent's world, anyway. But afaik my own experience, you can't fake it in any world, though you can mimic certain things and hope it gives you reactions. But then you're working for it, which defeats the purpose of Brent again. So... You actually have to be that man.

Well, go on! You can do it!

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I love Brent, and I've used - and still use - his "method" (which he claims is not a method) extensively. It makes seduction effortless (when it works). etc

Thanks man. I appreciate the detail and effort you put into the reply. I skimmed but will digest later.

I guess my question came from many experiments with OD in the last 6 weeks or so (and previously over the years) a fair few of matches & chats that I’ve found frustrating tbh.

Brent’s world is great. For sure. Rock solid mindset . BUT.. (and big caveat) Brent is a very very **very *** good looking, tall and fit man. Just one look at him chicks know that’s an Alpha guy . So they’ll gladly chase him and love.

its all about ‘Value’to me.
Value = compliance is the basic formula as some coach once said it ( Fader if I recall from LoveSystems)

I’m wondering what chicks may be using the chat for with me as a 7-8 guy.

And the problem applying Brent’s Way is that … unless she pings me firstly in the chat the setup is that I am chasing her. Which in Brent’s view means it won’t work. Which it usually doesn’t tbh.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

So following on from that.. using Brent’s logic re ‘he only deals with women who are pursuing him’..if I text her first , I’m showing interest first = I’m chasing her. (won’t work according to Brent)

Unless
a. I can flip that script in the chat using banter
B, do a takeaway from the chat and let her re engage so that flips it
Or
c. the only other way I can think of is if I neg /hard tease her off the bat as my opener, and get her emotional to invest her time in me. I’ve had that work in the past.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Honest question: Why would care? A guy who really gets Brent wouldn't worry about that, and instead focus on his own life and goals.

The "chat" (I'm assuming texting from online dating here, which is not by forte, so correct me if I'm wrong, but) should establish at least some comfort first, basic get-to-know things. And then, when commonalities and comfort is established, make an invitation to meet up in real life (presumably for sex, but in Brent's world, sex is assumed so don't even worry about it).

If she accepts the invitation: Cool. Make the plans. But if she doesn't take the invitation, then shoot the ball into her corner, so to speak. Tell her something along the lines of "That's cool. Just shoot me a text when you want to meet." And that's that. Move on with your life.

Honestly, though - and this might hit you hard, but - most of your questions are not really in the spirit of Brent. They circle around your need to analyse women, in order to understand her better, so you can game her. Brent doesn't care about any of that. Outside, perhaps, on a purely scientific or philosophical pursuit for its own sake, that is really outside the realm of seduction.

In answer to some of your points.
Why do I care?
Because there is pattern(s) to cracking more results with OD. Or so I’m theorising anyways. Any so far I’ve put in a fair bit of time with minimal results. So I’m tryna optimise and also understand the females POV so I can get her what she wants in the chat?

there’s an old line I remember from a Ross Jeffries seminar. He likens pickup to fishing and asks a student does he fish and what his favorite dinner is . Guy answers yes and his favorite is steak and potatoes,
RJ says - so when u go fishing what do you, bait the hook with ?Steak and potatoes?
Student - no I bait the hook with a worm.
RJ - why is that?
Student - because it’s what the fish likes to eat
RJ - exactly. You bait the hook with what the FISH likes to eat, not what YOU want to eat,

So I want to give the chick what she wants to eat , which to me based on my results is either

1. A bit of Comfort chat ,leading to seductive languaging leading to sexting scenarios leading to her panting to bang me
(Takes a lot of time)

Or
2. Being a Boss dominant guy , frame battling with her , winning and basically ordering her to meet me and dress sexy etc

I think chicks on OD are looking for excitement and a sense of danger and fulfilling their fantasies .(a -% of them)

the rest are looking for a relationship, but so f’n picky that they want everything to like up and a guy tick ALL the boxes. (Tough game for me)

I could work on myself to level up and I am, but I want to crack the OD game to get more lays quicker in the short term/meanwhile.

That’s my reasoning.

and re Brent - he’s great but he also deals and sells in Manifesting which enters Tony Robbins Territory. Brent gets most of his success with women based on his Looks Value in reality,

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Ps - and onto this so does Zan Perrion for that matter btw( the natural /romantic ) both Brent Smith and Zan Perrion are *extremely* good looking men.
Both could have been male models tbh.
I see Zan is going for the Johnny Depp look these days.

Zan has some good memorable teachings for me tho. He said “ Womens weakness is language and words “ which I believe is a “hack” re OD with them. Ie to excite them by being Evocative , that will create pictures in their heads and feelings in their loins.

Of course I’d like to be able to do this on the regular , and get laid whenever I choose.?

That’s the dream dude!

 

[Ratata]

Brent’s world is great. For sure. Rock solid mindset . BUT.. (and big caveat) Brent is a very very **very *** good looking, tall and fit man. Just one look at him chicks know that’s an Alpha guy . So they’ll gladly chase him and love.

Then - PRAISE THE LORD - because I'm here to quell your facial worries; your absent sixpack, your matchstick arms, your lack of a defined jaw line. I'm here to HEAL you from your Quasimodo afflictions! TOUCH THE SCREEN! Say with me: AMEN!

Jokes aside, I'm not much of a looker myself. But I have an energy about me. That is magical. And I believe that this energy can be conjured up by anyone, if you get into the right mindset. This was also what Brent talked about. If I can do it, then so can you. But yeah, Brent's great looks has made his philosophy a hard sell for many, sadly.

With that said, this post is on the online dating forum, which again isn't my forte. I'm mostly talking about IRL interactions and experiences. In the online realm, it's all about design communication. And so looks matter more, but not necessarily your bodily, physical looks, but certainly the energy and status your pictures emitd, which Brent also talked about.

What matters way more online than "male beauty" is style, status signals, and vibe. If your lead image radiates "this guy has options," she'll read that in a tenth of a second and everything after gets graded by that. If your photos radiates "please like me," then you're out. It's rough. Yes, a sixpack is cool, and it works if you got it, but status is cooler. Online. As for the rest? It can be hidden by clever in-camera photo tricks, clothing, location-picking and lighting.

If I were you, I'd work on photos first, and texting second. Meanwhile you seem preoccupied with what to say, when honestly it doesn't matter so much online if you got the other stuff down (same way looks doesn't matter IRL if you've got toe social stuff down). Because if the photos are good, you can say more and more outrageous shit online and it won't change the end result. There are videos testing this out, btw. They used extremely high status pictures, and you could literally open women online with "wanna come over and suck my d" and the girls went "Yes, I want it right now". Meanwhile, sub-par pics and the guy would say "hi" and then a warning message would appear on his account saying he is reported for lewd behaviour. It's wild.

That's why it's often worthwhile shelling out for a Tinder photographer, as in - not just any photographer, but one who specialized in making men look attractive to women online. Just so you're warned, over here a good Tinder photographer takes €1000 (!) for a session, but if you look for what to "sell" in a Tinder photo you can easily do it with a friend.

I used to work as a pro photographer back in the day, and there' just sooo many tricks you can use to get a guy one, two and three notches more handsome online, everything from lighting, the clothes you put on (that's why pro photo sessions aren't free). With that said, if you go to any-old photographer, they won't know what makes you attractive on Tinder, they will just know general portrait bs. Small example on what makes a pro Tinder photographer stand out: got a belly? Wear a hoodie, zip it, and put your hands in your hoodie pockets. Boom! Now no-one can see your beer belly. A regular photographer wouldn't know that domain specific secret. And ofc always get your female friends to vet your pictures before using them. Have them tell you honestly which pictures of you are sexy and attractive, and which are not.

So, the age old question; does looks matter? Yes and no. No, not in the traditional way (not online, and certainly not IRL). With that said, is it good to be ripped? Obviously. But you gotta work with what you have, and with lighting, and clothes, there are tons of tricks you can use to up your scale a lot online. (And IRL, you side-step looks by being good at socializing, or setting up your life so you won't have to approach.) Best of luck!

 

[D. Gately]

I'm always dressed immaculately in my bio photos, and I'd say my bios are probably longer than the norm. I put more effort into that and then when they show interest, my texting is very much about setting the time and place for the date, and not continuing a convo from whatever site we met on.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Re Jims Question -“What does she want to feel in the chat?”

Again, dude. Sorry. This will probably hurt, but the question itself seems needy. She wants to feel that you're the man and that she has to work for you, but here's some bad news: you can't fake it - not in Brent's world, anyway. But afaik my own experience, you can't fake it in any world, though you can mimic certain things and hope it gives you reactions. But then you're working for it, which defeats the purpose of Brent again. So... You actually have to be that man.

Well, go on! You can do it!

Well I have to disagree there .
If I’m online dating the chat is just text messages ,. Of course I can mimic that?

It’s just responses, response length , using frame control and the timing ?

How can a chick possibly tell the difference between whether I’m an actually carefree indifferent guy on the other side of the phone or just a guy faking it on the other side of the phone. If I’m doing it the same as Brent would , and I don’t mess up and give rhat away. ? There’s Leeway for error also, btw. I’ve messed up on texts before, re being carefree non needy etc ,she’s sussed it and questioned me , but I got back on track and got her out to a meet.

Once I get them on the date I usually charm them . But it’s getting them in motion is the real problem for me atm.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

I'm always dressed immaculately in my bio photos, and I'd say my bios are probably longer than the norm. I put more effort into that and then when they show interest, my texting is very much about setting the time and place for the date, and not continuing a convo from whatever site we met on.

Ok this is good, my bio is currently quite long also, good to know that’s not a major factor to worry about.
Re the dress and fashion what are u wearing mainly .. suit pics?

Any selfies ? Or pics with women? I read somewhere selfies are the worst and not to use them. Pics with women seem ok but not too much.

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Then - PRAISE THE LORD - because I'm here to quell your facial worries; your absent sixpack, your matchstick arms, your lack of a defined jaw line. I'm here to HEAL you from your Quasimodo afflictions! TOUCH THE SCREEN! Say with me: AMEN!

Jokes aside, I'm not much of a looker myself. But I have an energy about me. That is magical. And I believe that this energy can be conjured up by anyone, if you get into the right mindset. This was also what Brent talked about. If I can do it, then so can you. But yeah, Brent's great looks has made his philosophy a hard sell for many, sadly.

With that said, this post is on the online dating forum, which again isn't my forte. I'm mostly talking about IRL interactions and experiences. In the online realm, it's all about design communication. And so looks matter more, but not necessarily your bodily, physical looks, but certainly the energy and status your pictures emitd, which Brent also talked about.

What matters way more online than "male beauty" is style, status signals, and vibe. If your lead image radiates "this guy has options," she'll read that in a tenth of a second and everything after gets graded by that. If your photos radiates "please like me," then you're out. It's rough. Yes, a sixpack is cool, and it works if you got it, but status is cooler. Online. As for the rest? It can be hidden by clever in-camera photo tricks, clothing, location-picking and lighting.

If I were you, I'd work on photos first, and texting second. Meanwhile you seem preoccupied with what to say, when honestly it doesn't matter so much online if you got the other stuff down (same way looks doesn't matter IRL if you've got toe social stuff down). Because if the photos are good, you can say more and more outrageous shit online and it won't change the end result. There are videos testing this out, btw. They used extremely high status pictures, and you could literally open women online with "wanna come over and suck my d" and the girls went "Yes, I want it right now". Meanwhile, sub-par pics and the guy would say "hi" and then a warning message would appear on his account saying he is reported for lewd behaviour. It's wild.

That's why it's often worthwhile shelling out for a Tinder photographer, as in - not just any photographer, but one who specialized in making men look attractive to women online. Just so you're warned, over here a good Tinder photographer takes €1000 (!) for a session, but if you look for what to "sell" in a Tinder photo you can easily do it with a friend.

I used to work as a pro photographer back in the day, and there' just sooo many tricks you can use to get a guy one, two and three notches more handsome online, everything from lighting, the clothes you put on (that's why pro photo sessions aren't free). With that said, if you go to any-old photographer, they won't know what makes you attractive on Tinder, they will just know general portrait bs. Small example on what makes a pro Tinder photographer stand out: got a belly? Wear a hoodie, zip it, and put your hands in your hoodie pockets. Boom! Now no-one can see your beer belly. A regular photographer wouldn't know that domain specific secret. And ofc always get your female friends to vet your pictures before using them. Have them tell you honestly which pictures of you are sexy and attractive, and which are not.

So, the age old question; does looks matter? Yes and no. No, not in the traditional way (not online, and certainly not IRL). With that said, is it good to be ripped? Obviously. But you gotta work with what you have, and with lighting, and clothes, there are tons of tricks you can use to up your scale a lot online. (And IRL, you side-step looks by being good at socializing, or setting up your life so you won't have to approach.) Best of luck!

This is all great advice thank you.

more Brent’s ideas I will say this .
His looks aside.
I’ve watched a fair few of his older videos (I have heaps on a hard drive) and Brent is a very very funny guy. His wit and sarcasm and general verbals are sharp as a tack.

now just being indifferent , unattached to outcome and having a busy well rounded alpha life does not somehow create a sharp wit like his tbh,

I’ve seen his co-trainer guys in his videos they didn’t have it near as much and I couldn’t imagine them being as successful with women.

Brent’s mentor Rick H has that wit. It’s quite hard to learn it tbh and be improvising it IRL like those guys, I don’t believe that magically appears via manifestations and affirmations etc etc

just a point there re his stuff .

True indifference is great for sure , I’ve been there, when I’ve had a rotation of chicks and doing well, like you said amazing stuff can happen. Because I’m willing to take much bigger chances cos I’ve got plenty.
So I guess he’s saying “ Get Loose, be bold and take bigger chances,” but wrapping it up with a lot of other tbh unnessary fluffy Tony Robbins type things imo
Manifest, Affirmafions, carefree, indifferent, inner game, limiting beliefs.

that can be said in one sentence
“ Fortune favours the Bold”.
Or “get big balls and try new things”
Or “ Courage is the ultimate attraction switch” . He’s advocating SO much more work than that as a way of changing imo,

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

If I were you, I'd work on photos first, and texting second. Meanwhile you seem preoccupied with what to say, when honestly it doesn't matter so much online if you got the other stuff down (same way looks doesn't matter IRL if you've got toe social stuff down). Because if the photos are good, you can say more and more outrageous shit online and it won't change the end result. There are videos testing this out, btw. They used extremely high status pictures, and you could literally open women online with "wanna come over and suck my d" and the girls went "Yes, I want it right now". Meanwhile, sub-par pics and the guy would say "hi" and then a warning message would appear on his account saying he is reported for lewd behaviour. It's wild.

I pretty much agree with all of this and have had chicks confess this to me in chats .
I think I know the video u mean or a similar one . A BlackPill guy named FaceLMS did that catfishing with pics of a male model. This is all correct.

BUT .. still leaves me with what do *I* say as a guy in my league, hmm, I guess I’m trying to shortcut the chat really as much as possible as it’s time consuming and annoying . So just be short, basic and transaction seems the logical rational conclusion, be concise and to the point .

deez hoes still ask me stupid testing questions but , even when they fat and I’m the prize . They are delusional. lol,

 

[Brassfaced_Jim]

Ok I’m gonna role play some chats.
Brent says “ indifference is the difference that makes the difference.” I’ll try to apply that maxim.

I match with chick .
say she opens me (rare )

her : “hey thanks for the match, how’s your day going / how are u going on here?”

Applying Brent’s principle I must be indifferent

so response options to show this

me - “ your bio sucks ”

Or - “ you are definitely the ugliest woman on here “

Or - “ I’m not saying I don’t like your profile, but if it was on life support I’d unplug it to charge my phone “ (lolz stolen from a book of 101 insults and put downs)

Or - “chillin”

IDK . But I do know I am very disinterested in small talk with these women as it leads to
“ so what are you looking for on here?” Which seems to be the screening question I seem not answer to their satisfaction…