Texting Help!

[Pedro P]

So I got the phone number of this stunning tall Korean Girl at this Korean fastfood restaurant last night.
It was pretty sincere. I do photography, and she literally could walk off the cover of a magazine - 5'9 naturally stacked, white skin, exotic features - doll like face - I'm seriously wondering what she is doing at this fastfood joint in the first place, unless it's a family business because they are all Korean there.

Anyway I told her how she'd be great to photograph, but I'd have to actually get to know her before we could do anything and she should give me her info so we could set up coffee and a conversation to talk about what we'd create.

And she willingly fed the receipt machine and gave me her number saying - "text me anytime." This was at 8pm

So at 11pm I text her this icebreaker:

11PM Last Night
ME: Cool making a new friend at " Name of Korean Restaurant" tonight "Ji-woo" - "my name"

Text read, no response.

2PM This Afternoon
ME: I can totally see you fitting in an image like this "Ji-woo"
Attached image of mine from the set I showed her last night

2PM right away
HER: That's very nice !!

2:05PM
ME: So I heard that "name of restaurant" makes you work 7 days a week
(I actually made this up to try and get her schedule for days off)

2:38PM
HER: Technically 6 days
2:39PM
HER: When it's short staffed

2:49PM
ME: Wow, serious!
(unread)
2:49PM
ME: So when might we get a chance to meet up to talk about this awesome photography set together?
(unread)

As of writing this post it's about 6pm.
She might just actually be at work again, and they get slammed.

My FEAR though is she dropping off and losing the very loose meet up and the opportunity with her :/
This chick is smokin'

Especially with the exotic Korean thing, and I would reallllllly hate to miss the opp because of a misplace text.

According to Todd V and his 4 types of Texts and how to respond - since I'm getting silence....
Or if she doesn't text back by tomorrow...
Then I need to "ping value into the void" by using pics, or memes or just stating a cool thing I might be doing.
So like I'll be helping out my buddy with a video project he's doing downtown, and there's a bunch of graffiti art down there so I'm thinking I'd text her:

11AM Tomorrow
ME: So I'm helping my buddy downtown with a video project and Man there's some crazy street art down here
Attach Pic of cool street art image

The hope is to get her to reply and then maybe I'd say something like:

ME: Let me guess "Ji-woo" your working right now at "name of the Korean restaurant."

Question from here is - How do I soft close her again for the meet up, if she avoided the first soft close?
Todd V likes the soft close, kinda like this:

ME: So when might we get a chance to meet up to talk about this awesome photography set together?
HER: Thurs or Fri late morning
ME: Are you a coffee and conversation type, or a boba girl?
HER: I hate coffee
ME: Let's do Boba then. I heard "Toms Boba" in Koreatown is really good..........

OF COURSE
She and I aren't there yet.
Which is why I am writing this post for Text Help!

 

[Pedro P]

Update, she just hit me back:

6PM
HER: Yes it's tiring
Her: sure when are u free

6:07PM
ME: Thursday could work
ME: Are you a coffee and conversation type or a boba girl?


Now depending on the Close here, now it becomes a "how to play the meet up "date" question.
There is a question of if she thinks this is professional only, when I pitched it as personal/professional.
No money was discuss. I didn't say I was hiring her for a shoot.
I sincerely said I dug her exotic look and had to photograph it because it's so very unique and interesting...

 

[POB]

Your texts need refinement.
You are asking the same questions twice, which sounds a bit autistic.
Optimal strucuture:
BANTHER>soft close>hard close

There's almost no:
- teasing
- open loops
- probing

11PM Last Night
ME: Cool making a new friend at " Name of Korean Restaurant" tonight "Ji-woo" - "my name"

ME: I was just curious about (insert something interesting she told you about herself)

2PM This Afternoon
ME: I can totally see you fitting in an image like this "Ji-woo"
Attached image of mine from the set I showed her last night
2PM right away
HER: That's very nice !!

Well done!

2:05PM
ME: So I heard that "name of restaurant" makes you work 7 days a week
(I actually made this up to try and get her schedule for days off)

She gave you an opening and you talked about...work?

2:38PM
HER: Technically 6 days
2:39PM
HER: When it's short staffed

Even so she answered, which means she is still interested

2:49PM
ME: Wow, serious!
(unread)
2:49PM
ME: So when might we get a chance to meet up to talk about this awesome photography set together?
(unread)

A little eager, trying to hard close too soon.
Ask yourself: Why would she bother if you are always available?
But good work on probing and trying to set up an event date.

11AM Tomorrow
ME: So I'm helping my buddy downtown with a video project and Man there's some crazy street art down here
Attach Pic of cool street art image

The hope is to get her to reply and then maybe I'd say something like:

Hoping for what?
What's she supposed to do here?

ME: Let me guess "Ji-woo" your working right now at "name of the Korean restaurant."
ME: So when might we get a chance to meet up to talk about this awesome photography set together?

Please read this:
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/sneaky-bihc-ball-in-her-court-texting.29879/

HER: Thurs or Fri late morning
ME: Are you a coffee and conversation type, or a boba girl?
HER: I hate coffee
ME: Let's do Boba then. I heard "Toms Boba" in Koreatown is really good..........

6PM
HER: Yes it's tiring
Her: sure when are u free

6:07PM
ME: Thursday could work
ME: Are you a coffee and conversation type or a boba girl?

She agreed, now you pick the time (logistics) and banther a little bit after that.
Then you keep texting simple short stuff daily untill the date (comfort bombardment to avoid flakes).
Make it light and fun:

Thursday it is (acknowledge the date)
Lemme know if Xpm works for you (set the time)

You know what, you remind me of (insert name of model) when she was photographed by (name of famous photographer).
Do you know they had this (insert fun interesting facts about them working together)? (keep the ball rolling after you've set the date and time)

 

[Pedro P]

6:07 PM Yesterday
ME: Are you a coffee and conversation type or boba girl?

7:43PM
HER: I’m a coffee type of girl
crying eyes laughing emoji
HER: since I’m always working
wbu?

8:21PM
ME: Sounds like we are off to a good start so far “Ji-Woo”
- I dig coffee
ME: Let’s meet up at The Loft Coffee in Koreatown
google address link

8:23PM
HER: (Shit test) You’re a photographer right?

8:28PM
ME: Is this a trick question?

8:36PM
HER: No crying eyes laughing emoji
HER: I was just asking because you seem to take good pictures
(passed the shit test)

8:37PM
ME: Shhhhh, it’s our secret
link to my creative portfolio site

10:16PM
HER: shocked shaking head emoji

Today…

11AM
ME: Morning Jeanne
ME: I’m downtown helping a buddy out with a video project and I realized there’s some crazy street art down here!
Pic of an abandoned vintage 30 story high rise with graffiti all the way up it’s exterior (including a cute Japaname style character drawing)

11:11AM
HER: lol shocked emoji crying eyes laughing emoji

11:15AM
ME: So I’m pretty flexible tomorrow
ME: We could meet at Loft Café late morning 11am or afternoon 3pm
(left unread)

3PM
She reads my message but doesn’t respond.

6PM
ME: Seems like you’re a bit nervous to meet up and just learn about each other “Ji-Woo”
It’s cool…
ME: It’s just that life’s crazy, ya know… And tomorrow I could be eaten by a brontosaurs and you’d be like - “Oh NO! I was supposed to meet up and learn about Pedro P, but now he’s been eaten by a brontosaurs “

Alright, so let me explain my process and thinking here to best get feedback and learn how, what a where to improve, or where I fucked up, or whatever to score this girl or score the next extremely attractive girl like her...

Let's look at my last series of texts because I'm pretty sure that'll get hit the hardest.
Here's what I was thinking and aiming to do.
It seems like she choked up when I offered the actual coffee cafe because she gave me a shit test.
Seems like she's thinking - oh, this might be real. I just met him Monday night. We barely had a conversation and now sitting down for coffee...
So she gave me a shit test.
I passed the shit test...

I also think there is a cultural element, and possibly a lifestyle element.
She's not born here, she said, but has spent enough time to mostly be American.
Most of the employees of this place are "off the boat" so to speak.
It also seems like she's super conservatives - which I LOVE - and would love to turn her dirty (for me of course!)
Most of the Koreans where I'm at really only socialize with Koreans.

So the last series of texts is to call out her nervousness - and hopefully get her to qualify herself as she did previously.
Plus I've had the whole "Eaten by a brontosaurus" thing work before with other girls who were on the fence - but this was in person. One chick agreed to go out. then said no. Then said yes. Then I gave her this brontosaurus thing and she fo real agreed - all in a fifteen minute span of time in person at a social circle event.

Todd V on the other hand would have just text her: ???
Or a "crickets meme"
Or in some cases his famous line - "Dear diary, Cute Korean went missing, should I send a search party?"
Thing is - he says - is that you SHOULDN'T NEED to USE any of these lines because you should have "wowed her" so much on the front end - she's dying to go out with you.

Also why he's not much of a banter guy either. His motto is "texting is to get her out on a date - you CAN'T FUCK HER over text!"
And I personally hate texting.
I do it for work, and setting up logistics with my buddies.
But you gotta adapt.
And chicks love texting!

Finally - the Icebreaker I used was actually pulled from another forum post and was modified from a Chase Icebreaker.
I believe his was - "Great to make a new friend - Chase"

Now I modified if for a couple reasons.
Again Todd V - rule is - you get her to make you as a contact and then have her text you from her phone.

Couldn't do this with this chick at the counter of the restaurant. So I included where we met, her name, and my name so she isn't looking at some random number!

"Cool making a new friend at "restaurant," "Her name" - Pedro P

So NOW where do we go if she drops off?
See I got a shit-ton of very stressful stuff going on this week so I can't "dilly-dally" with scheduling.
You might call it "autistic" I call it - "I gotta get some serious shit done!"
This isn't her responsibility, but it's why I was trying to get her out, fast.
Plus she's like a 10, and those chicks you gotta move fast.
And like the Chase site says - MOVE FAST!
So if you think I'm too eager- well, how should have it been played otherwise?

 

[Will_V]

@Pedro P you are making a number of mistakes here which are ruining your frame.

...

The first one is that you leaned way too heavily on this thing of you being a photographer, which might have been fine if you had only used it during the approach and then just turned everything into a typical man-to-woman communication. But now it is well and truly getting in your way.

The main issue with this is that it makes you seem afraid to show your interest in her as a woman, instead you conceal it behind the excuse of photography. As a result it may be unclear to her, if not what your intentions are, then at least how you will go about getting them fulfilled.

...

The second mistake (or rather a continuation of the first) is that throughout texting, you have used this photography thing to try and impress her. This is a mistake, because:

- You are not there in front of her to be able turn her positive emotion in a sexual direction.
- It comes across as an attempt to impress her (chase frame not in your favor).
- It may come across as you trying to bait her by making her feel like there is some opportunity for her (if only she pleases you).

Besides this, it's not clear to me that at any point you showed interest in her as a woman that was accepted on her part, which makes the foundation of any seduction shaky indeed.

7:43PM
HER: I’m a coffee type of girl
crying eyes laughing emoji
HER: since I’m always working
wbu?

8:21PM
ME: Sounds like we are off to a good start so far “Ji-Woo”
- I dig coffee
ME: Let’s meet up at The Loft Coffee in Koreatown
google address link

This is a very hard close on a girl who is barely reciprocating interest. It would be better to banter and have a bit of back and forth first. Remember compliance begins with her responding to you, and you can't suddenly build compliance on top of non-compliance.

8:23PM
HER: (Shit test) You’re a photographer right?

8:28PM
ME: Is this a trick question?

8:36PM
HER: No crying eyes laughing emoji
HER: I was just asking because you seem to take good pictures
(passed the shit test)

I wouldn't call it a shit test per se.

I'd say it's more her trying to suss you out and clear up her doubts by trying to find out more about what your intentions are, probably since you seemed to lean on this photographer identity quite heavily.

In any case, your response here was perfect.

However the next one was not:

8:37PM
ME: Shhhhh, it’s our secret
link to my creative portfolio site

10:16PM
HER: shocked shaking head emoji

Again you try to impress her, again you lean on this whole photography thing instead of it being about you liking her as a person, and what's more there's no way to build off of this any more - she says "wow" (obviously) and you say ... what?

Instead, you could ask her if she ever takes pictures, or whether she has a hobby she loves, or something, anything, to show her that you are interested in what kind of person she is.

Today…

11AM
ME: Morning Jeanne
ME: I’m downtown helping a buddy out with a video project and I realized there’s some crazy street art down here!
Pic of an abandoned vintage 30 story high rise with graffiti all the way up it’s exterior (including a cute Japaname style character drawing)

11:11AM
HER: lol shocked emoji crying eyes laughing emoji

Again, you lean on the photography thing, again she doesn't know how to respond, again your frame is weakened.

11:15AM
ME: So I’m pretty flexible tomorrow
ME: We could meet at Loft Café late morning 11am or afternoon 3pm
(left unread)

No compliance, another hard close, ouch!

3PM
She reads my message but doesn’t respond.

6PM
ME: Seems like you’re a bit nervous to meet up and just learn about each other “Ji-Woo”
It’s cool…
ME: It’s just that life’s crazy, ya know… And tomorrow I could be eaten by a brontosaurs and you’d be like - “Oh NO! I was supposed to meet up and learn about Pedro P, but now he’s been eaten by a brontosaurs “

Now you're justifying yourself, chasing her, writing waay longer texts than her, and being too over the top, all at once.

Sorry to be blunt, but I hope you understand what's gone wrong here.

The foundation of any seduction, what causes a girl to become - to feel - seduced, is that there is a man she met who is interested in who she is, in what sort of girl she is. Not just in how she looks, or in whatever professional benefits she might be able to give him.

From what I can tell, at no point did you express that to her, at no point was she compelled to show you the things she values the most about herself. Instead she may as well just be any random good looking girl you want to take a picture of for your portfolio.

Because you never showed her or reminded her of your authentic interest, she feels little compulsion to be with you, she is confused as to your intentions, and you are feeling forced to push harder and harder for what should be easy to accomplish.

 

[HoofHearted]

It's all just so wrong.

I know you're scared. You're like a child afraid of thunder. She can't hurt you.

I know you're scared because you're operating from the shadows. "I'm a photographer, so let's use that to hide that, I like girl."

You're operating like you're afraid at best, or a thief or conman at worst. Not worthy of the pussy, so going to con her out of it?

I'm here to tell you two things.

Number one, stop it.

Number two, and I command you to remember this. You are worthy of the pussy of a beautiful girl you like. Now henceforth go forward and operate upright. No more shadow dealing.

As for the girl, maybe she'll like you maybe she won't. You actually don't know if you like her. You know you like her body. But you don't know her. Maybe she's the sort of person that likes to ram a cactus up a dude's butt, surprise, when he turns over in his sleep. Now no one likes her, no one wants butthole pain. Or some of us???

From henceforth, JUST BODY is no longer good enough for you. You must explore the girl, and find qualities that lead you to believe the sex would be good. Because there is bad sex. It involves a surprise cactus.

If you continue doing what you're doing, I will spank you.

 

[Pedro P]

@Pedro P you are making a number of mistakes here which are ruining your frame.

...

The first one is that you leaned way too heavily on this thing of you being a photographer, which might have been fine if you had only used it during the approach and then just turned everything into a typical man-to-woman communication. But now it is well and truly getting in your way.

The main issue with this is that it makes you seem afraid to show your interest in her as a woman, instead you conceal it behind the excuse of photography. As a result it may be unclear to her, if not what your intentions are, then at least how you will go about getting them fulfilled.

...

The second mistake (or rather a continuation of the first) is that throughout texting, you have used this photography thing to try and impress her. This is a mistake, because:

- You are not there in front of her to be able turn her positive emotion in a sexual direction.
- It comes across as an attempt to impress her (chase frame not in your favor).
- It may come across as you trying to bait her by making her feel like there is some opportunity for her (if only she pleases you).

Besides this, it's not clear to me that at any point you showed interest in her as a woman that was accepted on her part, which makes the foundation of any seduction shaky indeed.



This is a very hard close on a girl who is barely reciprocating interest. It would be better to banter and have a bit of back and forth first. Remember compliance begins with her responding to you, and you can't suddenly build compliance on top of non-compliance.



I wouldn't call it a shit test per se.

I'd say it's more her trying to suss you out and clear up her doubts by trying to find out more about what your intentions are, probably since you seemed to lean on this photographer identity quite heavily.

In any case, your response here was perfect.

However the next one was not:



Again you try to impress her, again you lean on this whole photography thing instead of it being about you liking her as a person, and what's more there's no way to build off of this any more - she says "wow" (obviously) and you say ... what?

Instead, you could ask her if she ever takes pictures, or whether she has a hobby she loves, or something, anything, to show her that you are interested in what kind of person she is.



Again, you lean on the photography thing, again she doesn't know how to respond, again your frame is weakened.



No compliance, another hard close, ouch!



Now you're justifying yourself, chasing her, writing waay longer texts than her, and being too over the top, all at once.

Sorry to be blunt, but I hope you understand what's gone wrong here.

The foundation of any seduction, what causes a girl to become - to feel - seduced, is that there is a man she met who is interested in who she is, in what sort of girl she is. Not just in how she looks, or in whatever professional benefits she might be able to give him.

From what I can tell, at no point did you express that to her, at no point was she compelled to show you the things she values the most about herself. Instead she may as well just be any random good looking girl you want to take a picture of for your portfolio.

Because you never showed her or reminded her of your authentic interest, she feels little compulsion to be with you, she is confused as to your intentions, and you are feeling forced to push harder and harder for what should be easy to accomplish.

Good stuff. She just replied to my previous text:

7:26PM
HER: LOL

Where do I go from here?
And yes, agree about relying on the photography thing!
If it were a clean day game approach where I had time to actually talk, then the photography thing either wouldn't come up, or would just be a side value thing.
This was like a 2 minute approach at the front desk of a Korean fast food restaurant and I had to ask the regular girl who was taking my order to grab this girl who I was like - I have to approach this Stunning Woman - just to do the approach, so I don't beat myself up that I didn't approach her....
And I had no intention of it working!
And YES, I would definitely like taking photos of her. And even have ideas of a couple Model Management places I'd submit them too if things were to go well that way.

Doesn't seem dead if she responds, but what the Hell do I text her now??
Of course could be her rolling her eyes at this point goin "LOL" were done, patronizing pat on the head...
Trying not to be negative, but.

Todd V - whose videos got me started in Game here has 4 types of texts, and how to respond to them:

1. Silence
Response - "ping value into the void" - an interesting picture of what you are doing, like this morning in downtown. A funny meme. Anything that injects value. Asking questions, he says - takes away value.

2. Shit Test
Response - Just pass the shit test!
Don't try to make plans after. Just pass the shit test.

3. Platonic or Logical
Response - tease her, make it man to woman, try and spark her to give a shit test

4. Positive
Response - when she's positive then - I'm brain farting the word - make a move. Make plans...

Again. So where do I go from here with her?
NOT going to respond to her tonight.
I'm both fried, personally. And there's nothing more to say right yet...

 

[POB]

@Pedro P Your last two texts reek of desperation.
Like "please please PLEASE come meet me" type of convo.
Of course she can feel it

I would let it rest for a couple of weeks and use Chases auto-blame reconnect text:

"hey just passing by to see how you doing"
sorry I was missing, been super busy those last 2 weeks"

And let her answer with whatever while you pursue other pussy,
Need to give time to reset the frame with her, cause it's kinda fucked rn.

 

[Skills]

Don't listen to todd v please...

 

[HoofHearted]

Who is todd v? The mod guy's name is Will. He's a little lost, but good natured it seems, but unfortunately a mod and for that should be launched out of here in a cannon.

Really, do not listen to Skillz. He is dangerous because he is a mixture of largely CORRECT and then a dab of the poison of misery.

If something is 95percent correct and 5percent will kill you, you had at best handle with care, or more likely just go right by it.

Lest you begin referring to women as trolls who suck on ur dickkk, bro.

 

[Skills]

Definitely listen to the incel... Blind leading the blind... Hint one of the 2 guys in my ignore list through 5 forums... Guarantee you.. if you follow my texting guides... Your odds will increase..

 

[HoofHearted]

Feels like an honor, kind of.

Hint: 5 forums.

But I have no ill-will toward this Skillz.

 

[HoofHearted]

And for OP, or the reader,

I have a "notch count" stastically outsider of the average man and many on this forum (though not, say, Skillz or some of those guys). Most of it through personal confusion, and I could not tell you.

If getting girls is a "skill", and I think it is, there are certainly more competent men than I. Some guys can also throw a football farther or golf better.

Maybe that's not all there is to it.

 

[HoofHearted]

If getting girls is a "skill", and I think it is

I'm actually too scared to say what I actually think here.

That it *might not be.* I just don't know. The implications seem terrible. Maybe that's too "woo-woo." I can't make any assertion, and don't want to.

Anyways, sorry for derail. Carry on.

 

[HoofHearted]

Definitely listen to the incel... Blind leading the blind... Hint one of the 2 guys in my ignore list through 5 forums... Guarantee you.. if you follow my texting guides... Your odds will increase..

I also will say, I am not mad at Skills, and I do not hate him.

I deserve the aggro from Skills. I was discourteous to him first, and I am getting back exactly what I put in.

I will say, I was wrong to be discourteous to Skills.

I still think the way he does things is death/anthema. I do think what he knows, he knows and that if you are playing the same game as Skills, he can show you moves.

IF.