Socializing The Fallacy of Seduction Success part 4.- Lack of self awareness

[CharmingPsychopath]

so you can’t discredit PUA community as. Whole.

I agree, there were/are good people in it also.

There might be some bad apples but I have not looked at those and luckily I had right start with girls chase.

I agree about Girls Chase, but elsewhere the amount of bad apples was and is really big.

 

[Skills]

Well personally girlschase has helped me a lot to get laid, so I can’t say PUA don’t work, now someone stumbles into that mindset naturally or someone need to learn it, but end result for both are more or less same.

So I can’t discredit PUA, and mind you I have laid girls who are sober, and also, I am quite attractive as I get hell lot of online matches, but I have lost lays where girl was clearly into me, because I forgot even if she is attractive I need to game her, some needs emotional connection, some needs arousal above there threshold.

Ofcouse key is believing girls love sex and you need to isolate them, but still you need to game her because a girls state changes more rapidly than a guys .

so you can’t discredit PUA community as. Whole. There might be some bad apples but I have not looked at those and luckily I had right start with girls chase.

Again, my student was an incel he took my coaching got a hot girlfriend after 10 lays in 2 months... She simped for him, he broke up got 50 lays from online.... Told him to drop online, to do cold approaching, got 5 numbers, already fucked 2 girls, one a virgin.. he does write detailed lrs using everything I taught him... You would think is me when you read his lay reports... I worked on him in improving his fundamentals got spike to help me, mail him my own clothes, provided detailed how tos...

While I was doing that psycho and his boyfriend telling everyone how he is a 10... How pua is a scam, how models approach him ..

The boyfriend how women auto reject and how he is unattainable and how women are whores...

Then the 3rd stooge Durango how women only like white men, while my student is a latin fucking young white virgin from cold approach..

I am supposed to be jealous of these retards, facepalm...

Told my student no to pay me, dude sent me money cause he is so thankful

Again actually has lrs on the forum while mr model destroying the fucking forum with his boyfriend and the other retard....

 

[JT Sunshine]

Genuine question for you @CharmingPsychopath

It sounds like you’ve got the game all figured out already. Yet you don’t like to write or read lay/field reports. What do you get out of a seduction forum like this?

 

[topcat]

But I really dislike LRs.

What part of my mindset caught your interest? The state projection part?

I never realized how reactive and sensitive real psychopaths could be. I see now my perception of them was entirely skewed until reading your words. I appreciate the reeducation you’ve given me.

It’s a true shame that you dislike LR’s. From your words you appear be really skilled, albeit in a way that seems rather unorthodox and counter to my understanding of game.

I hope you reconsider as there is much i feel you can contribute to clearing up some blind spots I have with women.

There is much to be gleaned from a psychopath’s perspective on seduction.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Genuine question for you @CharmingPsychopath

It sounds like you’ve got the game all figured out already. Yet you don’t like to write or read lay/field reports. What do you get out of a seduction forum like this?

I don't get much ouf of it - for me this forum is light pastime, due to a certain interest and sentiment.

My "story" in this context is that I entered the PUA community around 2001... And somewhere maybe around 2002 or 2003, I came upon a poster named Gunwitch and his "Gunwitch Method". Initially I wasn't impressed, other methods seemed more interesting and I have laid his teachings aside. (but this will be important later)

Somewhere around that time I became more and more critical, dislusioned about the PUA community and also I have made friends with some naturals. The naturals had much better results than any PUA I knew, so I started to hang out with them. But I still had contacts in the PUA community, I still read PUA forums when sitting at home (as they were of no forums run by naturals). So I became a kind of an "apprentice" of naturals, while also maintaining some level of contact with the PUA community.

During hanging out with naturals, I slowly came to the realisation that out of all PUA methods, my experiences in the field match Gunwitch Method the most. And I came to conclusion that in the past i was simply not competent enough to appreciate it.

Due to my appreciation of Gunwitch's teachings, at one point I became interested in what is Gunwitch doing, if he's on a forum somewhere.... And that's how I found...I think not this forum at first, but the previous one - where I think I only lurked for a bit? Anyway, that's how I got to this forum - due to my interest in Gunwitch. (Gunwitch's user profile: https://www.skilledseducer.com/members/gunwitch.5289/ )

Gunwitch unfortunately seems to have left the forum few months after I came here - I haven't conctacted him here, I thought I was in no hurry to do so and turned out I was wrong.

Anyway, since I already knew the forum, I sometimes took a look at it out of interest and a certain sentiment due to once being involved the PUA community. And it's a pastime for me, not something I have big need for.

I never realized how reactive and sensitive real psychopaths could be. I see now my perception of them was entirely skewed until reading your words. I appreciate the reeducation you’ve given me.

It’s a true shame that you dislike LR’s. From your words you appear be really skilled, albeit in a way that seems rather unorthodox and counter to my understanding of game.

I hope you reconsider as there is much i feel you can contribute to clearing up some blind spots I have with women.

There is much to be gleaned from a psychopath’s perspective on seduction.

Are you trying to butter me up to write a LR? Or are you thinking that I write some kind of nonsense and you're making fun of me?

1. Psychopathy is a spectrum and I have some level of psychopatic traits, not full blown psychopathy.

And also there's a division between primary psychopathy, which is inborn and "cold", and secondary psychopathy, which is aquired and impulsive. And people can have a mixture of both - I'm pretty sure I do have a mixture of both.

People with some level of psychopathy do have their preferences, like and dislikes - like my dislike of LRs. And they can be in a way "sensitive" and "reactive" - a lot of people with psychopatic traits have strong, agressive reactions to disrespect. Which often leads to violence, sometimes to murders.

2. As for "unorthodox style", my seduction style is somewhat similar to Gunwitch Method - and Gunwitch is a well known poster, he had his archive on mASF, was interviewed on Girls Chase... In that context, my style isn't really that unorthodox and unusual.

3. As for counter to your understanding of game - could you elaborate?

 

[topcat]

Are you trying to butter me up to write a LR? Or are you thinking that I write some kind of nonsense and you're making fun of me?

Both. I think you’re retarded.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Both. I think you’re retarded.

In that case, you're suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect and you overestimate your ability to judge.

 

[topcat]

In that case, you're suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect and you overestimate your ability to judge.

Excellent

 

[Skills]

Gun original method was the first thing he came up with 16 years ago or more he totally abandoned that, does not follow it and evolve plus developed one based more on what we call second gen with elements of nlp.

 

[John922]

@CharmingPsychopath I remember you claiming that you get 1 lay for every 5 approaches. If that is with 7+ girls, then that is an extraordinary ratio if true, but I don't think it is. You would have become a dating coach and got rich if you were that good. You certainly wouldn't be on here waffling.

Believe me if you came to London to do daygame on the busy streets, you would get humbled nicely. There would certainly be no 1 lay for every 5 approaches lol.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Gun original method was the first thing he came up with 16 years ago or more he totally abandoned that, does not follow it and evolve plus developed one based more on what we call second gen with elements of nlp.

OMG

Nonsense.

@CharmingPsychopath I remember you writing that you get 1 lay for every 5 approaches. If that is with 7+ girls, then that is an extraordinary ratio if true

Ratios are a tricky thing - they go up and down depending on target selection. And I don't simply mean how attractive the women are, but also if they seem interested in me or not, do they have a generally friendly or unfriendly vibe, if they're alone, 2-set, 3-set or in a larger group.... All female group vs mixed group is also different. Or a female group with bitter, angry, ugly woman who knows she is certainly not getting me, or any other high value man, so she wants to sabotage it.

Also, many naturals have very good ratios. And while I'm not a natural, I was mostly hanging out with naturals in my life.

but I don't think it is. You would have become a dating coach and got rich if you were that good.

What does being good have to do with becoming a dating coach? Many naturals are good and they do not become dating coaches. I'd say more, but I was asked to tone down anti-PUA content.

Some of my PUA friends stopped being coaches due to different reasons - like wanting to have a normal, private life. They wanted to be able to walk through the city center or go to a club without being followed or even approached by their fans.

Believe me if you came to London to do daygame on the busy streets, you would get humbled nicely. There would be no 1 lay for every 5 approaches lol.

Oh I can believe that London is currently very difficult - somebody wrote on a blog that London has been let's say "over-harvested" by the numerous day gamers.

I've seen that happen here during the heigh of popularity of PUA movement - especially in a certain very popular shopping mall, where a woman would be often approached by for example 4 different guys in the space of few minutes. This was bothersome and she would be less receptive to future day approaches not just on that day, but probably for months or maybe forever. It also didn't help that a lot of these guys were unattractive, awkward.

 

[Skills]

For those of you that don't know gunwitch was a poster in masf, then was part of the chat in mpua forum where we were in the same chat for years.... after masf shut down... There was a poster talking shit! in nextasf about a legal incident, i defended gun, and encourage him to joing nextasf when mpua started dying.... In nextasf we were on the same chat together for years... So i will repeat the original gunwitch i used to advocate and 60yoc, similar to the screening I use to do... Just like me gunwitch evolved to a more technical style of game heavily focus on influence and nlp... The Meta is to address in the seduction 3 keys one is the sexual, one the social and one the emotional... How i know is cause I was calling him out for abandoning screening and going into a more influence game when I was a natural focus on screening... but psycho knows more than me that knew gun for years...

edit. to fix spelling and grammar and a mistake after masf was incorrect, it was after mpua forum dying that i told him to join nextasf

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[mirror]

No, I never liked writing reports, I also never liked reading other people's reports either.

Just curious for learning: what do you usually read / learn from the forum.

Or let's say the guy ommits 30 minutes of building rapport (because it's boring) - which will make the reader think there was no significant rapport building.

fact. I do agree with you here. It's hard to know all there is to learn just from people posting their perception here.

Or a good looking PUA will get laid due to his looks, but will claim it's due to his "game" and this will mislead the readers.

Yep, hard to guess what the real situation was.

1. Girl saw me and got very horny.
2. I saw girl looking at me with horny eyes, so I realised I can easily get laid.
3. I approached her.
4. Girl was very nice and accomodating.
5. Since we both wanted it, we went to bed without unnecessarily complications.

This would be the dream for so many men (and some women)

BTW A lot of PUAs are trying to get girls above their "natural" league - and even if the girl doesn't reject them outright, they're kind of operating on minimal level, mere "vapors" of attraction.

Do you not do this? how do you challenge yourself?

Which is one of the reasons why their interactions often feel like they have to "fight" for it - because girl's interest is shaky, girl is really undecided, etc. She may be thinking something like "I don't like that guy that much, but he's here available, willing, he's making effort.... Should I go to bed with this mediocre guy or wait for somebody better?".

It can also happen during with all men no? did you ever encounter differently?

Most PUAs aren't sexy and they have no idea how these things look like when the girl is thinking BEFORE any interaction "OMG that guy is so sexy, I wish I had his penis in me right now, I want him to cum inside me so hard....".

Meaning they actually learn how to build up attraction from the start.

I'm very attractive (looks + personality/vibe combined) and it a affects my results A LOT. Many women rate me physically only a 7/10 - so a handsome guy, but not model-like.

is 7/10 very attractive?

Lots of women are strongly attracted to me on first sight and generally I don't have to do much, but I do have to not fuck this up.

I do wonder, what brings you here. What's bothering you about it?

One thing which can kill my attractiveness is when I become somehow artificial, "not myself", when I try to play games, etc etc. It's bit hard to explain, but I got a lot of this in my initial PUA days - I tried hard to make the techniques work and the strain, the forced, unnatural nature of it were ruining my natural attractiveness.

What called you to PUA initially, and how did you change your path?

Also contrary to what many people say, I find that being nice to women really works.

You said it earlier. It depends a lot on what point you start at and where you are in the process. If she already preselected you, being nice may work better than when she gives you hell because you didnt meet her initial standards.

And building rapport, making women feel nice, safe, comfortable, etc. And telling compliments works very well for me.

If a woman is NOT looking at me with interest/hornyness before I approach, I like to place myself in her field of vision, turn on as extreme sexual/BDSM states as I can can, but pretend to not see her.

This is very interesting, it sounds a bit like 'girl game' to me.

Generally my style is most similar to the teachings of Gunwitch (and what he wrote about "sexual state").

Interesting.

BTW I highly recommend reading the book "Debunking the Seduction Community" by Aaron Sleazy - he's giving it here for free as PDF: https://www.aaronsleazy.com/files/Aaron.Sleazy.Debunking.The.Seduction.Community.pdf

Not sure what you want to see happen, can you write down what in your ideal situation the seduction community would be about?