The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challenge it

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

So we have this debate of young vs old, rich vs poor, ugly vs hot, and the whole shabang but after years of observing the kinds of guys I see getting the hottest girls, I have come to a conclusion I want guys on here to challenge.

Just something I need to mention before anything else, my experience is limited to the USA and to hot girls in the younger age range, typically 18-25. As for the crowd, we're talking more upper middle class suburban types you would find in yuppie areas or at college sororities. That being said I see this working for various backgrounds.

I have kinda always had this curiosity, whenever I see an insanely hot girl, who the fuck is banging that. Like I would personally love to see the kinds of guys she has fucked, been with, and slept with naked in the bed. Not even the casual sex, I would like to see the kind of guy she is dating and spending time with in LTRs. Well, it is my belief that the kind of guy these women go for has changed because of the age we are in, particularly the technology age. The technology age has defined what we see as "cool" and "high status".

IMO, I actually think that status is more important than looks, wealth, and even game when it comes to getting hot girls. I started to wonder why I saw so many hot girls with busted looking dudes but after looking more into it, I kind of got a grasp of it. After all, women don't have as much of a need for a "provider" because they can provide for themselves now, wealth is no issue.

So the guys who are consistently getting the hottest girls, both short-term and LTR, have status going for them.

But really, it is the kind of guy who can successfully show off his awesome life and social power that gets the hottest girls.

Guys who make their awesome lives visible and can sell that life well to the world, they get its finest women. The guy who has a social media account with tons of followers, likes, and top tier photos; thats who hot girls want. To the hottest girls, that guy has a few things going for him.

1. A lot of followers and likes mean people approve of him, in other words, social proof is handled. STATUS!

2. Pics of him doing fun things means he has at least some money so he isn't broke.

3. He is seen as FUN, hot girls LOVE FUN.

Because hot girls are bored!

Hot guys? They can get them anyday!

Rich guys? They will get them anyday!

Guys with "game"? Tons of guys out there are learning game to get the hottest girls and approaching them too!

Hot girls want someone to sweep them away and show them the interesting life.

They want the guy with a lot of friends, because a lot of friends means he has plenty of things going for him and can get them into plenty of fun stuff. What if one friend is a club promoter? What if another is a bartender? What if one is a filthy rich guy throwing lavish parties?

They dream of a guy who can take them along on an interesting ride of life and a guy who can somehow amass a similar following and admiration that hot girls get, at least show that image, shows them that he is their equal.

They're curious, why is it that this guy's pic is getting thousands of likes while they themselves have worked so far to get 500? What is it with this guy? What is going on? What is his story? I need to know more!

It is that guy who can get the admiration from humanity in today's digital age who ultimately becomes a catch for hot girls.

That guy is cool and seen as high status.

They dream of a future where they get married and the pic is high quality getting a thousand likes while her friends seethe with envy.

They want that and they want the guy who can get them that.

It is that guy who a lot of people show admiration for digitally that will consistently get hot girls in today's age.

 

[Fuck This]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

If you look at women as a Commodity, perhaps...But don't discount the Niche.

The Niche is that hobby or sport or interest you have, that the "hot girl" has trouble finding someone that shares it. Her pool of options is narrow. How do you differentiate yourself from the others within that niche? You find common experiences with that woman, and those shared experiences create the attraction.

on a tangent....I'd like to make a metaphor comparing dating to Stock trading.

Social Network Dating Warriors are commodity day traders on women. We look at them as successful but they gotta keep trading to be successful and they can't buy and hold....It is exciting, and action packed, but high stress. Big swings (of emotion) make big payoffs, but there is always the risk of a loss...The minute you don't pay attention, you can lose your ass. Not many people can "day trade" with out sustaining a major loss, or maintain the intensity day in day out....

Now in a buy and hold mindset, you still are diversified, in quality stocks (women). You watch others, but don't put all your eggs in one basket. You keep the ones that have value to you, in an industry you understand (your Dating Niche) . Your stocks pay you dividends over time, and you use that to reinvest in that stock or others that you have studied. Marriage would be equal to buying the whole company and running it day to day.

 

[Richard]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

Biological programming is more influential than social programming and it hasn't changed since the dawn of humanity.

Literally everything you post about this SAME topic is always talking about how status, followers, etc. The more advanced you get with women, the more your social circle narrows itself down BECAUSE most guys think that you need a huge social circle to get laid BUT when you find different avenues to get laid (cold approach, day game, etc.) you no longer need to invest so much in that social circle. At that point, you have the privilege of picking and choosing who you spend time and who you don't.

The phenomenon you're seeing is that these guys do, in fact, get laid BUT they're also not top-tier; but, you don't see the guys who are getting laid the most because they're operating under the radar and out of the limelight. I'm in contact with lots of guys who teach seduction, guys with lay counts in the triple digits, etc. and a very very small percentage of these guys have the overt status, followers, etc. that you think you need.

Not saying your avenue isn't wrong; it's just not the only option you have to get laid with hot girls.

-Richard

 

[Marcellus]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

I agree with Richard! You've twisted everything so that it aligns with what you think, which is that only cool guys who get heaps of likes and post daily photos can get hot girls.

You're obviously trying to smash Instagram hotties since they're mostly focused on status and in return they want got guys with big followings and status as well. Nothing wrong with tryna get insta girls, those girls are hot.

One of my best friends doesn't post anything on social media and his life isn't really interesting yet he sleeps with hot girls very often. I know heaps of guys like that. Its proof to my own eyes that you don't need to be active/popular on Social media to get hot girls.

-M

 

[Grand Pooba]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

The phenomenon you're seeing is that these guys do, in fact, get laid BUT they're also not top-tier; but, you don't see the guys who are getting laid the most because they're operating under the radar and out of the limelight. I'm in contact with lots of guys who teach seduction, guys with lay counts in the triple digits, etc. and a very very small percentage of these guys have the overt status, followers, etc. that you think you need.

^ this!

Status is just a tool in your arsenal. What OP didn’t mention is how status can also hurt you in your endeavors with women, BECAUSE of all that publicity. Want a great example? See Aziz Ansari, James Franco, and a whole host of other guys who have status going for them but also don’t have the actual skills to seduce a woman and make her feel good about it. For every Dan Bilzerian in the world, there is also a Harvey Weinstein who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing (but...he’s got that status! So he must get loads of pussy, right?)

In my view it’s way better to fly under the radar than to be out there and socially popular. The frames are so much better...lover instead of provider, a guy who’s completely unknown and With whom a girl can build her fantasy with his leadership, rather than expecting the guy to be a certain way because of his status - and often women become disappointed that “he’s not the guy I imagined him to be.”

In short, status is just a tool, but you’ve got to know how to use it properly, and even though it no doubt can help, there are also downsides you haven’t talked about here (think gold diggers for example and status whores) which you can avoid just by having skill and not even worrying about status.

I meet a lot of guys who think they can charm women with their money (brown guys are particularly bad at this)...and then they have an expectation that the world owes them women. That’s how you get guys who blow a ton of money on bottles at a club, then walk home empty handed.

Then you have seducers who teach on GirlsChase, don’t buy a single drink and don’t care about outward status, but behave in a sexy and valuable way, then go home with the girl of their choice an hour or two later...

 

[Sandman]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

See Aziz Ansari, James Franco, and a whole host of other guys who have status going for them but also don’t have the actual skills to seduce a woman and make her feel good about it. For every Dan Bilzerian in the world, there is also a Harvey Weinstein who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing (but...he’s got that status! So he must get loads of pussy, right?)

I can totally see it with Aziz Ansari, the guy's humor mostly consists of him not getting laid lol but I'd have thought James Franco would get a lot of pussy! Why do you think he doesn't have skills to seduce a woman?

 

[Seppuku]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

Status is usually associated with a social context, rather than a social circle. You can have status with no social circle (think a plane pilot in uniform - his status is not derived from any social circle).

In my experience status is helpful as an addition to a healthy dose of game. Without any game, status, social preselection, conspicuous consumption will lead you nowhere. I have tons of examples around me, where the guy is clearly from a higher social status but would only use this to compete (and brag!) on Provider value... Ends up scratching his head why he didn't get the second date.

Also, many seducers are lone wolves - do not maintain a big social network.

Regarding James Franco, it seems he's getting pussy the easy way. You may want to check this link! He is clearly using his status to get the girl with direct game - but at the end of the day it's still game! Great analysis by Christian McQueen.

Seppuku
PS. Golddiggers and such: with a little experience, you learn to spot them from very, very far.

 

[Richard]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

I've been around a few Instagram girls and, while they're hot, they're usually extremely shallow.

Women, naturally, are self-critical and think less of themselves than men think of them (regarding looks, anyway) and Instagram girls develop borderline narcissistic qualities because they're doing everything they can to keep followers and rack up social currency. Tons of psychology studies have shown this, as well. It's not "good" for healthy development most of the time.

Honestly, this is pretty true of damn near everybody in the lime light. Anybody with a huge following (rappers, basketball players, etc.) are prone to engaging in hardcore drugs, alcoholism, suicidal tendencies because of all the pressure put on them. People in the entertainment business have the highest recorded levels of depression, anxiety, suicide, etc. Like anything else, though, if you don't already have it then you can't see the evils and drawbacks of it.

-Richard

 

[Sandman]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

Regarding James Franco, it seems he's getting pussy the easy way. You may want to check this link! He is clearly using his status to get the girl with direct game - but at the end of the day it's still game! Great analysis by Christian McQueen.

Yeah haha I can totally see this working, even I sometimes go super direct (on text) if I can't be bothered to take the girl through the seduction step by step (not rock the boat). Usually it doesn't work but when it does, it makes it super easy to get laid when you do meet up. James Franco is basically offering celebrity dick and I bet enough girls take up on that offer for him to not bother anything other than direct, just screening for the thirsty girls lol.

I do wonder what his real game is like though because Harvey Weinstein had zero game and I cringed when I heard his voice recording of him hitting on a girl! It's a real shame really, here is a smart capable guy who build an empire but didn't put in a little time to learn how to get girls and has to beg for pussy....

 

[Samson84]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

I've been around a few Instagram girls and, while they're hot, they're usually extremely shallow.

Women, naturally, are self-critical and think less of themselves than men think of them (regarding looks, anyway) and Instagram girls develop borderline narcissistic qualities because they're doing everything they can to keep followers and rack up social currency. Tons of psychology studies have shown this, as well. It's not "good" for healthy development most of the time.

Hey Richard,

Can you expand on this? What are the implications of the self-criticism? How do you identify the narc qualities and what are the results of that for seduction or relationships?

Thanks.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

I get where you guys are coming from but I do want to say it again, I was also talking about a certain demographic of women too. The upper middle class to yuppie white girls or those who are a part of their scene, this includes ethnic women who also follow that route of sorority in college and then party time in their 20s in a big city. In many big cities, these girls make up a big part of the demographic.

Now I get that a seducer who "keeps a low profile" might have some luck with say a foreign girl or a more independent minded girl but the demographic I am talking about tends to:

1. Go to bars and clubs in large groups, making it quite difficult for a lone seducer to get her as she is with her crew.

2. Value status a little more than some foreign girl who is more independent minded.

To the Harvey Weinstein and Dan Bilzerian example, there is something to be said there. Harvey Weinstein was old and not really perceived as cool while Dan Bilzerian put up quality photos on social media that showed him to be cool. Anyone can look at the social media accounts for both men and see that Dan Bilzerian portrayed his lifestyle a lot better.

So for those of you who know these seducers that keep a low profile, it would also help to know the kinds of women they are getting. Are they usually going after more foreign girls that aren't as big on the social scene and social status in the US? Are they running into niche girls? Cougars that are a lot older?

In that case I can believe what you are saying but I do think that for certain kinds of girls in western society, like the ones I discussed, social media presence is quite helpful and a big deal.

 

[Richard]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

Oh Pry,

Honestly, the amount of ignorance and tunnel vision you're showcasing kinda baffles me. Damn near everybody on the Boards with any gumption made a single unanimous point and you refuted it saying "Yeah, but that doesn't apply to the women I'm talking about."

Why is it so hard for guys to understand that women are women are women are women - whether she's sucking dick on the corner to pay her phone bill or posting pictures of her ass in yoga pants or she's involved in developing cutting edge technology to cure breast cancer; they're all still women and react to 99% of solid game the same way. Hearing "But that doesn't apply" is the most ignorant thing a guy can say.

Essentially, you're saying "Yeah, I can't ride a bike that's painted blue because I learned to ride a red bike."

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

There is no need for this to get that heated, I think I made a great point. The undercover seducer works for a lot of girls out there but for the demographic I am speaking of, I think status matters and can help a great deal, in a lot of cases it is practically a deal breaker.

Other familiar with that demographic can surely chime in, I for one would love to hear from undercover seducers who are pulling the kinds of girls I speak of.

 

[Michal]

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Oh Pry,

I see what you are talking about but...Does a girl like that have her crew with her when she is going to the grocery store? Is her crew with her when she runs some other errands? I doubt it.

I think the saying is overused but cold approach and day game is like a box of chocolates. You can meet a hot girl who parties every weekend and sucked dicks to get through college and then you meet a girl with th exact level of attractiveness who had 1 date in her life and is working with Elon Musk on space rockets. And in night life, you can meet these exact girls as well. You cannot just assume that all girls in a club are sorority girls who sucked Brad, Nick and Tyler off in one day. Bookworms can go to clubs with their group as well.

While I understand it is hard to approach her if she is surrounded by 4 of her guy friends and 2 other girls and they are laughing and having fun. One thing a friend of mine does - he just establishes eye contact with a girl like that, flirts with her this way over some distance and then just plants himself on the bar so that it is easy for the girl to get to his proximity and then he opens her. Because the girl "goes to the bathroom" as she tells her friends and then when she goes back, "she stops by the bar to get another drink". I am not saying this "plant game" is the best approach but something you can do that if you feel anxious to approach a whole group. Or if you really must have the girl and want to talk to her, you can just walk up there, introduce yourself, give her a unique compliment and invite her for a drink to the bar. If you have good fundamentals, that can work. There are ways to achieve what you want.

And regarding status when you cold approach, she will judge you based on your fundamentals. One weird thing I noticed is that girls automatically think you are confident just because you approach them in a strong way. And just like Richard said, she does not give a shit whether you have 5k followers, have a Ferrari, 18+3 house with 100 yard pool when you have strong game and good fundamentals. It is a bonus. Those are material, factual things. If you cannot make her FEEL something (desire, connection, similarity, horniness, genuine interest, specialness etc) she would rather pick a dude who is a bum but makes her feel all those things rather than be with you.

So, again, I know what you mean but if bars and clubs are your go to's to get chicks, you will have to learn how to navigate in those fields, including girls who are with their packs.

 

[Richard]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

Oh Pry,

I tend to forget that people need to experience things themself. My approach to the question/debate you're raising comes from experience AND I'm firmly behind the idea that you don't need to be rich and have a ton of status to pull hot women. Again, this comes from my own life and from a lot of the friends I have around the world.

Regarding women, there are hardly any things that are REAL dealbreakers for women and the things that are don't revolve around status, fame, wealth, etc. Being rich, having fame and wealth certainly HELPS you but it is hardly a necessity to pull any chick. So, I approach this whole debate with the mindset of "Yeah, this can work but you're going to put in a ton more time trying to become rich/incredibly high status, etc. than you will learning general pick-up/seduction to pull the same women" so, I see the route you're trying to take as wasting time and taking the long way around the barn.

Anyhow, if you really want some references; prior to Ricardus becoming a multi-millionaire he dated a lot of models. Taken from the GirlsChase bio page "such as dating some of the world’s most beautiful women, from a Miss World contestant, to a model for Coca-Cola, to one of “Brazil’s Next Top Models” - have long been the envy of most of the other instructors in the space." I've slept with (and was FBs with) two different models (not super high status within the modeling world though) but they did work for BMG and Wilhelmina in Chicago. Am friends with one of the photographers that does shoots at Ford Modeling in Chicago and have been to a few parties. Keep in mind, partying and high-status social game is VVEERRYYY draining for me so I tend to stay away from those types of events but, nevertheless, I have been around them.

I did a lot of direct cold approaching in Chicago, met some great friends, and used my "game" (seduction/PUA) to win over the more high status women I've met along the way. Back when I was seeing the two models, I was a college student who wasn't working; when I met my current girlfriend of two years, I was a college student and not working.

-Richard

 

[Grand Pooba]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

Oh Pry,

I tend to forget that people need to experience things themself. My approach to the question/debate you're raising comes from experience AND I'm firmly behind the idea that you don't need to be rich and have a ton of status to pull hot women. Again, this comes from my own life and from a lot of the friends I have around the world.

Regarding women, there are hardly any things that are REAL dealbreakers for women and the things that are don't revolve around status, fame, wealth, etc. Being rich, having fame and wealth certainly HELPS you but it is hardly a necessity to pull any chick. So, I approach this whole debate with the mindset of "Yeah, this can work but you're going to put in a ton more time trying to become rich/incredibly high status, etc. than you will learning general pick-up/seduction to pull the same women" so, I see the route you're trying to take as wasting time and taking the long way around the barn.

Anyhow, if you really want some references; prior to Ricardus becoming a multi-millionaire he dated a lot of models. Taken from the GirlsChase bio page "such as dating some of the world’s most beautiful women, from a Miss World contestant, to a model for Coca-Cola, to one of “Brazil’s Next Top Models” - have long been the envy of most of the other instructors in the space." I've slept with (and was FBs with) two different models (not super high status within the modeling world though) but they did work for BMG and Wilhelmina in Chicago. Am friends with one of the photographers that does shoots at Ford Modeling in Chicago and have been to a few parties. Keep in mind, partying and high-status social game is VVEERRYYY draining for me so I tend to stay away from those types of events but, nevertheless, I have been around them.

I did a lot of direct cold approaching in Chicago, met some great friends, and used my "game" (seduction/PUA) to win over the more high status women I've met along the way. Back when I was seeing the two models, I was a college student who wasn't working; when I met my current girlfriend of two years, I was a college student and not working.

-Richard

Great post! Status definitely can work - especially combined with game - but yeah, game is the shortcut and status can take years to build. But, if it's what you want, by all means go for it OP!

Status + game is pretty killer.... that's how you can get the Dan Bilz lifestyle. For him, it didn't happen overnight

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: The type of guy that consistently gets hot girls in modern society, challeng

I think I can kind of see where Richard and Michal are coming from about cold approach after having seen it in action myself.

It is like my view is slightly changing but I just look back and wonder how some of the things that happen with hot girls happen. Like how the guys who are showing up to clubs and bars with an entourage of hot girls manage to get it done.

Now after having more time to think about it, I do think cold approach can net you some cool opportunities for sure. I think that you can occasionally get some hot girls after putting in the work for it and you never know the story until you do the approaching yourself. Now do remember in the thread, I was talking about specific kinds of girls which is why some guys might be confused about where I am coming from here.

What I think we can think about instead is using cold approach for a more long term plan instead of a ONS. How a cold approach can not only get you a ONS but more such as access to cool shit and cool opportunities in general, in some ways I am the opposite of Richard.