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This was 8pm. More of a day than night game context.

Warmup approach asked a woman in a camel coat what was going on in the other room. She said the pianist was popular and I said oh well that explains the line. She seemed really interested in talking - nice woman maybe in her 50's. Body language kept turning into me actively. She said "we" book performances and I said "oh your partner". She said they put on jazz nights in a venue near where I work. I said I have a few coworkers who would be into that. Her husband came up and I said nice to meet you and gave my name. She caught him up and he gave me his card. He seemed a little aware of his wife and said something like have a cool night man as they left. Older guy late 50's maybe. Cool couple.

I passed by a girl a little older and taller than me in the line and asked if she was here for him (or the general venue). She said yeah and was a little annoyed with the wait, and didn't seem all that open.

***

So then I walked past an absolutely banging body observing a couple paintings. This petite blonde woman, maybe late 30's to early 40's in a form fitted sport coat suit with skirt. Early spoiler she had come from working a major brand alcohol event and would have had men drooling over her. I have never interacted with a woman who is this level of a head turner. She's Scandinavian and had this incredible accent. She had this cutesy element about her, incredibly feminine. She's like a little firecracker.

I couldn't see her face since her hair was down as I passed into another room. I knew I was going to circle back and approach her. I ended up just turning around in my track and going back, then stopped to the side of her. Over a shoulder, I asked which one of these dresses would you wear. She was taken aback and backed up a bit with a smile looking at me, then said she would wear them both, but was looking at the painting technique how they used the light and dark contrast to make it look like satin. I went into qualifying about her painting and asked if she does still life. She said she has a hard time finding models since they charge, and I said oh so you're looking for subjects, and touched the side of her arm. Throughout our whole interaction I'd cup her elbow intermittently and use protective touch on her lower back several times.

I commented on something related to the initial art, and proposed showing her. She was excited to follow and we went around.

***

While she was commenting on some people doing art, a guy who was there with a girl asked if she wanted to join (legit hostile move on this hottie). She shrugged him and off and kept following me to another room. We looked at a couple art pieces really briefly and I started asking her about herself while walking around. We never stopped moving after the initial approach. She explained a botched surgery in her foot and let me tell you this girl is the most expressive I have ever seen in terms of face and voice. So I'm validating her emotions a little and taking a position like a light "how dare they" kind of frame, fully on her side as to get as close as possible to an us vs them feel. It never got heavy, just easy flip positive to how she had healed.

***

I was about to lead her another way and she suggested walking towards the front because of her car. I explained slightly earlier that I lived in walking distance and suggested she come up to see the skyline from the rooftop. She resisted a little out of safety concern, which I countered saying we can go up and down no problem or come right back. It took very little convincing. She said her coat was in the car. I said we could grab another of mine on the way up, which she hesitated on. So I said ok let's go to your car and grab your coat and she agreed. So we walked around the block basically and got her wool coat, then talked very slightly about her ideal vacation laying on the beach in the shade hearing the water, and then went right into my apartment building. On the walk over she explained without the term that she had developed canned routines as a personal challenge to get people to laugh within one minute since she met so many people in her work. She also clearly said she is not the same person to everyone.

***

I'd known her for maybe 15 minutes at this point. She comes up and the key to the rooftop's not working since it's closed for the cold season. So I say I can show you the view from one of the floors below (obviously my apartment). She's all for it. So as we're getting off the elevator I warn her my apartment is the messiest it's ever been and she laughs as I explain I even had sauna soaked clothes hanging from a door knob, and things all over packing for a trip. She had no issues with the mess and was just excited to ask about the trip. I've had the more materialista girls turn their noses up at my setup, which is what I want. She showed zero negativity whatsoever.

I pushed all the clothes off my seating and showed her the view (nothing all that impressive). She said the place was cute and was happy to sit down. This girl was smiling so much and was submissive with the eye contact, then always returned to look deep in my eyes with an alluring look. She explained her foot a little more and then laughed and said "poor [her name]... she needs a hug" and laughed again. So we hugged and I gave her an affectionate one. She commented how cute it was. Then we kissed immediately. She was very into it and was a really nice soft, slow kisser while still being enthusiastic and putting her fingers on my face.

Her outfit was so tight with thick fabric, and it wasn't really escalateable without simply removing. I complimented her fabric and asked if the buttons worked. She stopped me when I went to unbutton them and slightly later stood up as I ran my hand under her skirt and grazed between her legs.

This is where she explained she's a mother and was late for the babysitter already. There was a little more escalation and at one point I pushed her on the bed. Whenever we stopped kissing she was wanting more and more. She was exhibiting clear state control as she shook herself exactly like if you were getting too aroused in public and had to push a girl off you. It was very much like "I want to but I can't right now" in terms of body language. She also said she had her heart broken twice recently. I said I'm not trying to hurt you, quite the opposite. She agreed on the importance of affection, skin contact, and such. She really loved kissing me and said she only gets hugs from children now (her kids).

She expressed wanting to see me again and we exchanged numbers in my room. She made sure that it went through. We kissed again and went down. She unprompted said she'd send me sexy pictures. She explained she doesn't like to always go with the whim and is the sort of person who plans. Going out the lobby door I said we can put it in the calendar and she can draw me. She got legitimately excited and asked if naked. My physique is nothing to be artistically rendered. Side note we'll see what happens with that since she paints with oils and doesn't sketch. I said my version would be a stick figure so it's not important if she's good and it's about enjoying the artistic process.

***

She put her arm in mine. Outside we walked and I continued getting to know her. I never went full deep dive motivations throughout all this, but with the small amount of time it was still just all focused on asking about her. This aspect of genuine personal interest in comfort building is probably a rare experience with her to be honest. This is the only available antidote to her disappearing. I know this is the exact interaction type where she would flash in the pan disappear forever, but I felt like she was legitimately is into continuing. This girl probably gets hit on every day.

So at the car I said ok now that we are out of there and you are not worried you will fall into spending an hour with me in my bed and being late to get back to your babysitter, let's slow down for a second. Come and kiss me and let's relax just for a few minutes. She was so happy. I had never really verbally addressed any of the resistance, so this was the frame... that her leaving was to stop herself from falling into being extraordinarily late. We stood and kissed on the sidewalk for a good while. We sort of naturally ended it together after a bit, again feeling her state control occurring.

I thought it very possible I would be slapping myself silly for not persisting. I probably could have physically cavemanned and wonder what it would have been if I'd at least reached a finger in her. She very well would have melted into it at that point, but that doesn't change her true time constraint. It would have been a one and done for sure if she had to run off after. Continuing to get to know her on the walk back with no worries after the escalation I think was part of seducing her into wanting to return. Deep dive meets touch and go.

The whole thing including the warm up approach lasted around an hour.

***

Me [from my room]: Francis

Her: Cutie [redacted descriptor of me] 😍[heart eyes emoji]

Me: Multifaceted [her name]

Her:😊[blushing smile emoji]
How's the cleaning going?

Me: Surprisingly decent considering I've been up since 5:30 and am so sleepy. Would be nice to listen to wave sounds and slow down. How's your spaghetti??

Her: Not too bad for the second time around try wave sounds with a frequency of like 432hz, or, no, do the earth's frequency... that's a good night time one
I'm watching minions😂[crying laughing emoji] half asleep

Me: Second round can still be satisfying. Wow note C... I tune music to A 444hz... who are you [her name]. You'll have to come lay around and tell me more about yourself.

Her: U know stuff about music and the healing properties of frequencies? Who are u really, handsome stranger? 😍[heart eyes emoji]

Me: Let's find out over tea in the lobby restaurant when our schedules are aligned

Her: Okay!

Me: Let me know what works with yours? I'll be away next weekend, but typically work til four throughout the week.

Her: After 4 during the week works well, Tuesday?

Me: Sure, Tuesday it is. What time can you get away and make it down? I should be good to go more like 5:30 or 6 really

Her: Awesome! 6?

Me: Sounds great [her name]

Her: Yay! 😘[heart kiss emoji]
How are u, hotie?

Me: Good morning [her name]😘[heart kiss emoji] enjoying the sun through the window, working. You?

Her: Same, sort of. Whatcha working on?

Me: Endless numbers! Ensuring everything keeps flowing. [Her name] I must warn you I'm a terrible texter and sometimes turn my phone off for even days to fully decompress
I always keep a calendar and you will have my full attention present in person. Curious what you are working on. Hope you're having a nice morning

Her: You're so cute

Me:😘 [heart kiss emoji] Goodnight, heading to sleep. l will connect with you in the morning

Her: Good morning, darling

Me: Finally... Hot coffee. I hope you like tea

Her: Love it

Me: Beautiful

Her: I'm excited! Need me to bring anything

Me: Well what if we took our tea to go and sit and chat upstairs a while. Then a little taste of something to dip in it would be lovely

Her: Okay😁[teeth smile emoji] I've got some sativa gummies, I'll bring a bag

Me: Very lovely indeed. Ok when you get here check out [street] if you want to park for free. Otherwise [logistics].
Let me know if you need me

Her: K. I forgot the name of your building
6:00?

Me: [building name, address]
Yes, see you at 6 [her name]!

Her:😍😘[heart eyes emoji, heart kiss emoji]
Sweetie! I accidentally fell asleep!! I'm behind now, is 630 okay? I'm sorry

Me: You're ok, drive safe and don't rush. I just got out of the shower.

Her: Oooh. I'm getting a visual.... thankfully I'm well rested

Me: That makes one of us. You'll have to help bring up my energy

Her: I'm good at that

Me: See, multifaceted... Many skills

Her: Getting closer

Me: Eyes on the road miss

Her: Here



This girl has awesome fashion sense. She comes in and I say do you want to get tea or just warm up upstairs. She says whatever you want babe. So we go upstairs and she starts kissing me.

Both nipples and her bellybutton pieced.

Fucks like a porn star. Or at least I think so. Wouldn't know. I don't like watching dicks.

LOUD with a HUGE smile on her face for the entire time.

She was pre-med but her guy at the time convinced her that she couldn't hack it.

Great cuddle

And she's bi



Her: Home, sugar.

For some strange reason it had me take [street] home, and it took forever!

[Heart with an arrow through it emoji]



Two trailer park girls go round the outside...


Guess who's back
 

Francis

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Her: Gn dear
Ill have sweet dreams now
 

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Glad to see more lay reports from cold approach vs online for a change..... Keep it up!
 

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Glad to see more lay reports from cold approach vs online for a change..... Keep it up!
Thanks Skills, will do. I did an approach this morning but on so little sleep. Didn't cum with this one either cause I'm spent.

Retention update:

😽[cat kiss emoji] still wearing the smile you gave me
 

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Oh I had sent before her goodnight:

Sleep well wildcat
Slash cuddly kitten
 

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iNvestor, Justifier, Idealist (Cinderella)

Probably flips at times to Tester, Justifier, Idealist (Social Butterfly)

Haven't really started using Pandora techniques, but beginning to understand the conflict/coping lines.
 

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Her: Thurs

Me: Deal

Her: Cool! What you thinking

Me: I am thinking about the way that you were walking to me on the sidewalk... Something about the sway of your hips
How late can you stay out

Her: Lol!! Not that! Just want to stay in? Cuddle?

[...]

Her: Thinking bout u is making me craxy

Me: Good! Can't wait to get craxy together

Her: Im serious! You put a spell on me!

Me: You caught me!


Her: Lol! Just like that
 
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Very nice!
Love your moves, good pace and leading.
Side note: Next time, please get the pad in order before heading out (especially the bathroom)...
Never hurts to keep the cave tidy and neat before the lay (maybe that's why she gave you resistance, even though she was clearly in the mood?).
 
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Very nice!
Love your moves, good pace and leading.
Side note: Next time, please get the pad in order before heading out (especially the bathroom)...
Never hurts to keep the cave tidy and neat before the lay (maybe that's why she gave you resistance, even though she was clearly in the mood?).
Gracias Señor! Much appreciated. I was actually not planning to go out at all that night and ended up needing a break from organizing. Will definitely remember your advice though, especially the bathroom cleanliness... that is key.
 

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Retention update: slept with her four times. The last one she was obviously wanting to go out. We had a plan to go to two venues after meeting up where we first met. She laid on me there until they turned the lights off on us. Then we went back to mine and we never went out. She didn't seem to mind, but making it more than simply having her over to fuck seemed important.

Here are some selected texts from her.

You're so stinking cute
You're too stinking cute! The first time I got to smile today was cuz of you ! Yay
Not trying to whine here; but I miss you! And now I'm gonna make sad hamster face 🐹
Where's my sunshine?🤩
I'm getting fussy,
Don't make me pull out the secret weapon

***

Me: I'll be [redacted] this weekend. Would love to schedule ahead with you.

Okay. I'll take all the days
Thursday? As in today, cuz that's when it'll be that u finally read this

***

She ended up texting me a picture of a handwritten letter saying she wants to know what it's like to make a baby out of love, wants someone who's as crazy about her as she is about them, and is going to restart her quest for a soul mate, but I am distracting her from that.

It was a really beautiful, super hot experience with her. She went into it with open eyes and I knew it would flame out fast. She really loves and fucks with her whole heart.

I'll miss her.
 

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She ended up texting me a picture of a handwritten letter saying she wants to know what it's like to make a baby out of love, wants someone who's as crazy about her as she is about them, and is going to restart her quest for a soul mate, but I am distracting her from that.


I'll miss her.

I was just going to ask about expectation management - yours and hers. Then I ran into this ^.

Do you think she is making a graceful exit? Or do you think she wants you to volunteer for the soul mate position?
 

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I was just going to ask about expectation management - yours and hers. Then I ran into this ^.

Do you think she is making a graceful exit? Or do you think she wants you to volunteer for the soul mate position?
Both lol but I think her current emotional state is very much the former. She started the letter saying she thinks this is a good time to part ways since we aren't on the same page. She hit real auto rejection from my attainability being low.

I can wrap my head around the arc she went through, but it's almost flabbergasting to realize how emotionally driven she was... Like girl... what did you think was going to happen..???

I think I did a good job of setting expectations with her. We had a really brief chat after the second time I think it was... She said "you like being single" in an understanding way. I very clearly set the early frame announcement including the word "friend".

But then she gets fucked good, cuddled, and massaged... I am decent at conversing on an emotional level, focused on her, accepting of her eccentricities. She's very excited she can be her true self with me and dig into her closet, etc. She gets flak for some sketch comedy she does, but I think she's hilarious.

So I think she generally moves through life like "this feels good... Let's find out..." And maybe did not expect her feelings to develop in this way? But she fit the Cinderella profile and probably knows her pattern of shattered hopes.

So maybe logically she knew all along it wouldn't work, but it was just feeling so good to her for the first few weeks that she let it blind her. I don't know... From the start it's all a ticking time bomb on my end...

The whole thing would be confusing as all hell if I didn't get the concept of relationship progression and auto rejection.
 

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As I was putting a mattress in the car to go watch planes with a girl...

Her: Hey

Her [this morning]: I miss u, already
 

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What a great and well written report @Francis thx for sharing, inspo stuff

BTW:
She had no issues with the mess and was just excited to ask about the trip. I've had the more materialista girls turn their noses up at my setup, which is what I want.

You want this so to eject yourself from the BF-zone? To get some banter? (Not a native speaker, I may be reading this wrong.) Also, if you wanna share what you think you did particularly great in the whole process that's also welcomed.

And on the BF-zone thing, do you have go-tos for avoiding this? It's been a curse of mine, even though I always use messy/bad apts, go on trips, self-deprecate (i.e. disqualify myself as BF material).

Ideally I would love the girl to get what's gonna be about from the start... I think my problem is the totally indirect game I use (e.g. getting multiple times a "you haven't said not one cute thing about me" thing) and the not at all fast escalation (which is a sticking point for me). I had some ONS and those where obviously not a problem, but if a 2nd day is on play I start feeling the BF-zone breathing on my neck.

Anyways, keep it up man!
 

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What a great and well written report @Francis thx for sharing, inspo stuff
Much appreciated man! I always write as fast as I can after the interaction without any thought of how it is structured or worded, so I'm glad to hear!


You want this so to eject yourself from the BF-zone? To get some banter?
I am not sure what you mean by the banter part? But yes I used to live in a house and girls would attempt to slow game me sometimes. When I lived in an office building without a shower, I had a lot of sex on that futon and my buddy had to bring a drill over to fix it.

I am trying to convey that "there is no nest for you here". Like a bird's nest, sometimes guys reference girls' "nesting instinct"... Getting a guy to stay/commit (betaize, tame, etc.) domestically.

I do not think I have it fully solved yet, and that I need to lean more towards a "starving artist" archetype with more music gear out, etc. I may be getting too old for this though. At some point I think you look like a failure. In your 20's it's probably better.

Can I ask what your first language is?


Also, if you wanna share what you think you did particularly great in the whole process that's also welcomed.
I consider this one close to a "freebie" because she was immediately attracted and compliant. So the key was simply lead her through complying through logistics to isolation/escalation. I did not even need to arouse her. She was just aware that's what I was leading her towards fast.

"You still have to game greens" -Spike

I will list a few things that come to mind...

- indirect opener does not force her decision

- good eye contact and calmness on the opener, showing confidence in approaching a girl who has undoubtedly made guys trip over themselves

- very early sexual frame with the live model (nude art) reference

- touching her

- asking her to move with me fast, progressing the interaction

- general vibe, voice, body language while focusing conversation on her, letting her do the talking and responding in terms of her emotions as much as the facts or more

- being willing to propose the pull, making it no big deal while it is obvious to her it is about sexual interest. She mentioned after the lay a lot of guys are dumb, like they don't know how to hint things. Never ask a girl to fuck etc. A long time ago I used to straight up propose sex before learning plausible deniability. This is very important even with sexually open minded girls. You want her to know what's up but not verbalize it or put any ownness on her. Unless she is super DTF and sexual verbally, but the unspoken ambiguity creates tension, even if it's fairly obvious.

- outcome independence... Always being ok with her not being ready. Neediness is the opposite of preselection.

- cuddling after her orgasm to boost her oxytocin attachment


And on the BF-zone thing, do you have go-tos for avoiding this
I am honestly bad at it. Still figuring it out. One point I keep forgetting is Chase says it has to be her realization. You can't convince her you are not bf material... Just give detail she will piece together and decide herself.
 

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Thx for taking the time, let's see

I am not sure what you mean by the banter part?
TBH I wasn't sure either haha, I forgot to remove it from the post... Maybe to initiate some silly 'pulling your leg' game, but yeah my best guess was the avoiding BF-zone.

I am trying to convey that "there is no nest for you here". Like a bird's nest, sometimes guys reference girls' "nesting instinct"... Getting a guy to stay/commit (betaize, tame, etc.) domestically.
I love the nest metaphor, good image to keep in mind.

I do not think I have it fully solved yet, and that I need to lean more towards a "starving artist" archetype with more music gear out, etc. I may be getting too old for this though. At some point I think you look like a failure. In your 20's it's probably better.
Yes that's quite my image (some mess in the apt and a few instruments all over the place), but I'm in my 30s (I do look in my 20s tho) but wondering if I can keep it up. What I have done is to 'craft' an image of the artsy but grown-up guy (which is also congruent w/me ofc) I have gotten compliments on the looks (not particularly handsome BTW) so I think I'm on the right tracks, I do however have a 'childlike attitude' in general (maybe too much sometimes TBH).

Can I ask what your first language is?
Spanish, but I like to practice my English (I avoid using LLMs bc I will def become rusty at it).

I will list a few things that come to mind...
Very cool, I think I'm OK at most of them, definitely too slow at isolating and sexualizing early (classic non-advanced issues I guess...). This was a great report on how to properly do the logistics/isolation.

I am honestly bad at it. Still figuring it out. One point I keep forgetting is Chase says it has to be her realization. You can't convince her you are not bf material... Just give detail she will piece together and decide herself.
Ok yes, that totally makes sense. I think my problem stems in part from being afraid of success lol, I get my own LMR on the girl, I don't know why but probably performance anxiety.

Glad you are back man! Keep 'em coming (pun intended)
 

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TBH I wasn't sure either haha, I forgot to remove it from the post... Maybe to initiate some silly 'pulling your leg' game
It's true though it can cause some reactions like if girls tease about it. In a way it's funny and people are surprised I live like this. I think it adds an enigma (mysterious) factor if they know I have an office job. I'm definitely not like the guy who is just waiting for a girlfriend to move in. Part of boyfriend disqualification might also be simply moving to isolate her fast and escalating.




I love the nest metaphor, good image to keep in mind.
Yeah I think it could be a real scientific term, not sure. I should say though this is not all unwanted behavior... Even if you want something casual, it's good to encourage some of the natural instinct (with proper expectations), like food, cleaning, etc.

What I have done is to 'craft' an image of the artsy but grown-up guy
Yeah I think that could work if you are coming across like a passionate, untameable, wild stallion type...


definitely too slow at isolating and sexualizing early (classic non-advanced issues I guess...). This was a great report on how to properly do the logistics/isolation
I have this problem too, typically. Definitely getting better at it as I see what can happen. Thanks man!




I think my problem stems in part from being afraid of success lol, I get my own LMR on the girl, I don't know why but probably performance anxiety.
Like hesitating to escalate? Depending on your lay count yeah it just takes repetitions. I used to get nervous but once you get positive reference experiences you know it's likely to go well, which is what confidence is - not an abstract quality, but literally a proof of concept applied to a specific act, like you are confident you are able to open a jar because you've done it before and internalized the likelihood of success.




Glad you are back man! Keep 'em coming (pun intended)
Lol clever ;)
 

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Do you think she is making a graceful exit? Or do you think she wants you to volunteer for the soul mate position?
Ohhh man, so she just left and it was all smiles... She didn't seem to care about any sort of talk.

She said what she was doing was like a chess move where the Queen gets sacrificed, and the first time it was done, it was shocking and won the game or something to that effect.

She said she was hoping I would say "here I am" to the soulmate thing, and she spent the day in bed under the covers when it didn't work. Also said with a straight face that she would like someone to help split rent.

She wore a gold Chanel chain with a mirror inlaid in the shape of a heart.

She said her friend told her I sounded too good to be true and joked to check my back for a skin suit zipper in case I was an alien. And she noted it felt like tucking her tail coming back, laughed that she didn't make it 24 hours, and was worried I wouldn't take her back.

She was extremely happy when she left. I know she's older, but this is wild. I'm a slim guy... Still pretty sweet... She does comment during sex how much she cums, and maybe part of it is finally being treated nice...

But I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if she has dated gang members.
 
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