Forum Feedback Understanding general discussion vs redpill conversations

[DurangoMars]

I was informed of the topic here from Chase of banning redpill and similar conversations. And I will like some clarification on what those type of topics look like. To give some information, I didn't come here with "redpill" idealogy. My thoughts are from my experience from when I was a man who got no sex to a man who now gets enough to where I get bored of it. I didn't learn about stuff like pua and the like until five years ago. I've been helping boys and men in my life to improve their sex life. I don't charge anything. Just peers and friends I come across who are having problems, and I pay forward what I was taught from similar men. I decided to make an account a month ago and start posting to contribute to the conversation around seduction and dating.

However, I have had a member call out that I'm bringing redpill topics into the forum. At first, I was confused because that was never my intent nor my origin. When I bring up a topic coincidental, it's to gain insight with other members to strengthen knowledge between us all on how to approach the world of men and women. And helps deepen understanding for justification around the decisions we make. For instance, a lot of puas peacock but don't know the foundation of why it works (standing out in a crowd to mimic dominance to women). There's many men and boys who do not know this, but if the topic around the "why" is banned, then I can no longer bring this up in any context.

So if I can have clarification in what form the topics are banned, and to how to stop stepping on this trap, I'll love to hear it.

Should the frame be coming from the angle of "current steps to do things" rather than "why we do them?"

We're Banning Most Red Pill/Incel/MGTOW/Manosphere Topics. But Not Because We're Afraid...!

Hey fellas, The mods and I had a chat about whether we want to permit guys to start threads on here talking about red pill / manosphere / incel / MGTOW / etc. subjects. If you're just tuning in to that, that includes things like: AWALT/NAWALT Hypergamy The alpha/beta dichotomy...

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[Skills]

Dude the dude in question is me. I was trying to make the point that some of your posts, not all, many of your posts i agree with.... But again some of your posts come across the word i specially used undercover or subliminal or inderect drops of useless and kj redpill, black pill and cope... You specially asked me directly to explain why and I posted chase post were he goes on detail...i only did that cause you asked...

But let me explain to you why i think red pillers are kjs and coppers... My opinion they would take the smallest sample of shitty shit a minority of women do and exaggerate that crap, come out with flawed conclusions, try to avoid and preach 24 hours a day about the shitty shit women, to then always end up with the same shitty shit women....

The advice and tech is copied from the pua community but the lowest odds crap at afc level to intermediate, their game is total shit...

And the make money, look good and manyain frame is just weak no practical advice...

Any mid level seducer gets laid and has more game than any red pill guru...

Is just a bunch of scare mongering to make feel better a bunch of coppers.

Unfortunately we still have about a dozen of seducers that still ranting about feminist and smv and the rest of the non practical useless crap..

Let me ask you a question how your last post honestly helps anyone here improve getting laid or success with women?

Don't worry about answering... Women travel to have host or so they can get laid with hot guys none sense.

As i said hypergamy, make money get ripped eyc... Decent advice useless and no practical.

 

[Francis]

Unfortunately we still have about a dozen of seducers that still ranting about feminist and smv and the rest of the non practical useless crap

Skills should "SMV" be retired? Chase just used it in an article

To me, it's not the red pill LMS crap. More about attainability. E.g. guy pedestalizing, fawning, etc sub-communicates lower SMV (negative preselection).

 

[Skills]

Skills should "SMV" be retired? Chase just used it in an article

To me, it's not the red pill LMS crap. More about attainability. E.g. guy pedestalizing, fawning, etc sub-communicates lower SMV (negative preselection).

No i used it to sometimes but is repetitive and no practical and again as much as people hate to hear it seduction is solution oriented so if my smv is shit I will get laid or hit above smv even if is not the best.... Again people hear that and translate into don't work on your smv which nobody in here advocates..

 

[Francis]

No i used it to sometimes but is repetitive and no practical and again as much as people hate to hear it seduction is solution oriented so if my smv is shit I will get laid or hit above smv even if is not the best.... Again people hear that and translate into don't work on your smv which nobody in here advocates..

Okay gotcha. I think guys view it as static value. To me it's relative, like geo-arbitrage changes your market position. So even if all your "value indicators" or whatever are total shit, the context strategies and raw game still put your SMV sky high, because you have good market share, abundance (low neediness), can command a high price/investment, have absolute advantage, etc.

Shame the "red pill" stole the analogy from the Matrix. It's exactly how I felt finding Girls Chase. Woke me up.

 

[Skills]

Okay gotcha. I think guys view it as static value. To me it's relative, like geo-arbitrage changes your market position. So even if all your "value indicators" or whatever are total shit, the context strategies and raw game still put your SMV sky high, because you have good market share, abundance (low neediness), can command a high price/investment, have absolute advantage, etc.

Shame the "red pill" stole the analogy from the Matrix. It's exactly how I felt finding Girls Chase. Woke me up.

seduction community does not care about smv in the core principles

we believe you can be able to get women regardless of wealth, looks, and status.... You can agree or disagree with that but that is the meta of pua....

however all books i read talk about improving fundamentals....I read that chase article does no match my experience... but he is talking about general population no seducer i guess...I have gone broke and women did not dump me cause i was broke...

 

[Francis]

we believe you can be able to get women regardless of wealth, looks, and status.... You can agree or disagree with that

Nice, yeah I'm saying these are factors that can be trumped in the marketplace. I didn't know LMS is thought of like SMV. I think of it like Jack on the Titanic had way higher SMV than Rose's fiance.

Tom Torero talked a lot about SMV. I think it's part of why he called it street hustle, like pulling a fast one, being a lover in a provider market.

 

[POB]

seduction community does not care about smv in the core principles

we believe you can be able to get women regardless of wealth, looks, and status.... You can agree or disagree with that but that is the meta of pua....

however all books i read talk about improving fundamentals....I read that chase article does no match my experience... but he is talking about general population no seducer i guess...I have gone broke and women did not dump me cause i was broke...

100%

When I bought my first condo, I was broke as hell.
Still was able to fuck 8s and the occasional 9s in an empty apartment, lying on a mattress wrapped in plastic.

 

[DurangoMars]

we believe you can be able to get women regardless of wealth, looks, and status.... You can agree or disagree with that but that is the meta of pua....

You can get women, but what women you can get will always depend on a list of factors in general. And it can take one to disqualify you.

When I bought my first condo, I was broke as hell.
Still was able to fuck 8s and the occasional 9s in an empty apartment, lying on a mattress wrapped in plastic.

I'd imagine you did not look like a broke man. That you had looks to compensate.

 

[SenseErn]

seduction community does not care about smv in the core principles

we believe you can be able to get women regardless of wealth, looks, and status.... You can agree or disagree with that but that is the meta of pua....

Wealth, looks, and status play a part in developing into a PUA. But, not to attract girls. (Although, better looking rich high status guys do have more opportunities.) They are to improve confidence. Most of the guys who first step into pickup are unconfident dweebs who've never been kissed. They lack confidence in every area, except DnD or Star Trek vs Star Wars.

Those three things will not get women at your feet, but they are part of the whole. By neglecting those things, a man will limit his results. But, if a man neglects the other stuff, they will also limit their results.

 

[POB]

I'd imagine you did not look like a broke man. That you had looks to compensate.

I did look broke....had literally no extra money, only enough to cover basic expenses (clothes not included).
BTW, buying a condo alone in your early 30s is very hard over here.

What got me laid was a "give no fucks" attitude towards my money condition.
I was literally more agressive towards getting laid because I had a smaller margin for error.

 

[Francis]

Yeah I did well while living in a house of 5, with the lowest rent possible in the city. It was a monthly landing spot for immigrants. I ended up with bedbugs, then moved to even cheaper rent via the commercial office market, unbeknownst to the landlord.

Among many women during this transition was a girl I met on a bus who was dating a wealthy investment banker. There was a little overlap between us. She told me she loved me, paid for dinners, and cried when I moved away.

Karea has a story about one of his peak periods. He would bus girls to his rented room that was barely big enough for the mattress on the floor.

One of those girls had been flown out by a guy via helicopter.

 

[AspiringStoic]

seduction community does not care about smv in the core principles

we believe you can be able to get women regardless of wealth, looks, and status.... You can agree or disagree with that but that is the meta of pua....

however all books i read talk about improving fundamentals....I read that chase article does no match my experience... but he is talking about general population no seducer i guess...I have gone broke and women did not dump me cause i was broke...

Pheww okay so we still have the OGs who believe this. Thank god!

Nowadays I think the pickup space has been taken over by this SMV shit.

I also agree that the space now caters to more general population so you have to say more mainstream stuff to make sure you relate to them.

To me this SMV stuff has never made sense. I looked better, had more money and was in a more sexy and presitigious 'high value' profession before coming across pickup with hardly any success with women.

Now I am less good looking, older, less money and in a more generic profession and have had more success due to the skills I have learnt than ever before.

It baffles me the obsession with SMV!

 

[Skills]

Pheww okay so we still have the OGs who believe this. Thank god!

Nowadays I think the pickup space has been taken over by this SMV shit.

I also agree that the space now caters to more general population so you have to say more mainstream stuff to make sure you relate to them.

To me this SMV stuff has never made sense. I looked better, had more money and was in a more sexy and presitigious 'high value' profession before coming across pickup with hardly any success with women.

Now I am less good looking, older, less money and in a more generic profession and have had more success due to the skills I have learnt than ever before.

It baffles me the obsession with SMV!

correct agin the problem is people missinterpret and reframe as:

- don't max out your looks
- don't make money
- don't be high value

^ total strawman, my fitness and my style at my age is better than 99% of genz guys that i help FROM THE FORUM, even though it taught them, facepalm! baffles me! true story...

 

[isildur1]

You can get women, but what women you can get will always depend on a list of factors in general. And it can take one to disqualify you.

I'd imagine you did not look like a broke man. That you had looks to compensate.

Thing is with any forum everyone’s experiences can differ there are so many variables at play-

the smv of those around you in your city really do have an impact on results . If there’s 20 attractive women and 100 high value guys fighting over the same 20 then rejection rates are simply going to be higher - very simplistic but it’s something to consider and for me personally having lived in 20 countries this had the biggest impact on approaching results

Wealth- depending on some girls it can help other girls not really depends on the girls in quest but having wealth is defo a plus to have - who doesn’t want to date someone wealthy it makes life a lot more easier and it’s still an attractive asset to have

Height and looks- of course to some women more than others but who doesn’t like good looking people anyway?

Fashion- I could be something that’s helping or hindering you or other people on the forum again without photos it’s impossible to judge

Iq- again without hanging out with said person it’s hard to judge iqs properly on the forum - it could be that someone is more autistic in person than they appear to be on the forum too

Neurodivergent disorders- again a big one some male 8s and 9s on this forum share off big wins then a neurodivergent 6 tries to implement the strategy and it fails cause his autism fucked it up- happens a lot and it’s one of the challenges in the dating realm but I think it’s what leads a lot of people to having deluded expectations . Some members might have undiagnosed neurodivergence issues too which in my opinion is one of the biggest failure factors .

- approach to lay ratios- again a big one- if you have a low smv guy doing 400 approaches they will do a lot better on average than a higher smv guy doing 10-20 volume is super duper important but added to that needs to be some degree of smv , like ability , interest and iq. Which is why hard work is at the core of game to some degree everyone needs volume

- social media- shit instagram photos will make your dating life tougher people judge a lot on instagram that’s the way life is now

- being genuinely interesting- some people on this forum might be very interesting in real life and be fun to be around whilst others might be genuinely boring and not be transparent about it . I was genuinely a boring person from about the ages of 13-25 I had little hobbies passions and interest relative to the higher smv guys at my college and in my city so of course it made it tougher to hook women-

again there are so many different variables that could be at play that could cause weakness in one’s game or could be massively advantageous and a poster maybe concealing it or just unaware of it- for example I was unaware of how bad my fashion was at college and my weak instagram was causing women to flake- when I fixed these results gradually improved .



Some members might under value their looks / smv to attempt to make their struggles look more marketable to the masses - I met one forum guy who claimed he was ugly only to have a chiselled body and was literally a male 8/9 he claimed that his looks did nothing for him which was total bs- he had other very attractive attributes he was interesting with a good vibe plus he was extremely confident which defo helped too- one example but without knowing the complete picture of someone from a computer screen you will never really fully know what’s given them the advantage or whats what

Coaches do it too- James Marshall tries to claim he’s ugly whilst being 6 ft 2 and tall - Paul janka did the same whilst being a Harvard educated model - it’s just marketing - again it’s not red pill bs - it’s just objective thinking. Everyone’s situation to success and failures might have a lot of different contributing factors some of which you may know others may not be transparent which is why it’s important not to get too bogged down with someone is helping you or you’re helping them.