Using descriptive, emotional language to arouse

[Warped Mindless]

Lol wow you're really salty about me pointing out that you didn't understand what sub-communication was implied in my replies.

That was to get rid of a cockblock as a challenge - but you wouldn't know about that. Is anyone (me included) recommending to seduce cockblocks FIRST before the women we actually want? Do you think we should be seductive with cockblocks?

How long did it take you to go back through 2 years of messages to find that - and it's about a cockblock and like my game hasn't gotten better. It's getting sad for you now, but go back 5-10 years of my writing mate, that'll be less sad and you might learn something.



I'm glad Chase came around to the "avoid questions" recommendation, which I think is somewhat of a departure from his previous method, from what I can see. If I remember, Chase recommended no more than 2 questions, and I agree with that recommendation.



I think we know why you're doing this, as I mentioned above:



I'll add to my own words above;

I think some guys get threatened in the seduction community when you assert that some (or many) of the things they normally do in seduction sub-communicate (this is just to make it obvious to you and I don't have to spell it out again, like I did above) - are passive, weak, overly logical, boring and ultimately unseductive actions that normal average unseductive guys do with women because it would make alot of their experience and advice seem less impressive and at the same time, explain some bad reactions and some rejections in their past interactions with women.

I also think alot of the same guys find it very difficult or impossible to keep questions to a minimum, which is likely part of the reason why you're saying this. That's the main complaint when I recommend this to students - but seduction isn't easy because we're setting ourselves apart from normal average non-seductive men.

I think this same difficulty can be applied to the Sexual Key method we've been discussing - it's a simply but very challenging method to master and that's why there's been some opposition to it as a skill recommendation.
Some guys don't want to do hard things to get better skills for seduction.

But you go on badgering women with questions all the way to the bedroom mate, don't let anyone here stop you.

I think avoiding questions like the plague (unless used very sparingly in qualifying before moving on) is very simple and uncontroversial in seduction but people seem to get very reactive to it. I'm writing about this for guys actually practicing seduction here.

The same does not happen with "objection handling is salesy and over". Both of these topics are highly discussed in current sales training aswell.

Those messages were a year old… the last time we had this conversation on discord (history repeats with us don’t it buddy?)

as for your game getting better, a year ago when you posted those messages you already bragged about “laying 50% of the women you approached” and doing so without taking numbers (or “rarely” taking numbers as you claim). Let’s pretend your claims are true… that would make you, by far, the worlds best seducer fat and above everyone else on the planet.

Amazing claims is going to people who
Know better call you on your shit, bro.

I actually think you are good with women. I just think you highly exaggerate how good you are. When you make wild claims, of course people are gonna call you on it.

So when you say your game is better now and these are “old conversations” how much better can you get than a 50% lay ratio? lol.

Skilled communicators are calibrated. They know when to ask, when to tell, when to tease, when to challenge, and when to move things forward directlyy. People who don’t understand nuance often resort to absolutes because absolutes are easier to teach, easier to market, and easier to defend rhetorically.

You also keep replacing evidence with psychoanalysis. anyone who disagrees is supposedly threatened, reactive, lazy, or unable to do hard things. That is a convenient escape hatch, because it lets you avoid proving your claim.

Disagreement is not proof of insecurity. Sometimes it just means someone sees through the framing.

So strip away the chest beating and the condescension and the claim still comes down to this: youre presenting a rigid gimmick as if it’s rare insight. I don’t find that compelling, and none of the name calling changed that.

 

[Skills]

@James Cruse bombarding women with meaningless questions is uncalibrated, but question asking is super important during the interaction...

Who are you here with?
What are you guys celebrating?
How is your night going?
Are you single? Or variations mainly day game
Do you leave around here?
are you from here?
Are you married?
Some dudes ask zodiac signs?
Are you working tomorrow?


Those are important for cold approach during interactions...

For online/apps:
How are guys treating you around here?
How happy are you in your life from 1 to 10? 10 being best ( this can be use in cold approach to)
What are your 2 best qualities that have nothing to do with your appearance (neil use this with jessica alba)

With texting you need to ask questions after she asks you questions to keep flow going.(finish a sentence with a question for flow)

Gen z. Girls.. are you looking for something serious? Again cause they hate that question to set them up..

Trolling:
What are you doing besides thinking of me and smiling?
Why love me so much?
Have you miss me?
And when she answers yes, you say and where were you fingers when you did..
Have you ever dated a latin guy?

Do you know women can have 8 different types of orgasms with the right guy?

Anyways man asking calibrated questions is part of game and is strategic..

There are multiple tools.. questions one of them... I don't need a post this, i laid 100s of girls using questions as part of the seductions... Link chase post i guarantee you some shit out of context that you are interpreting

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

Just my observation and experience but conversation where I just keep on giving statements instead of questions ( like how some folks teach in cold reads ) can come across as weird.

So, yeah. Nuance is required.

 

[Skills]

Just my observation and experience but conversation where I just keep on giving statements instead of questions ( like how some folks teach in cold reads ) can come across as weird.

So, yeah. Nuance is required.

anything you do uncalibrated can come across weird, statements are part of the interaction and works when is CALIBRATED, same as questions...

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Lmao. I blame ya'll for replying James. He's a fraud. Always has. Always will


His game is around 6/7 over 10. Which means once in a while he'll say something quite good. But the majority of the time, he'll be so off the mark you'd wonder if he has ever kissed a woman.

A good example of someone who is posing is the constant need to go round in circles about dumb shit. Like for example in this thread: jerking off over questions lol. No he wants to bore us with a long post on questions. So irrelevant, and dumb.

Best to just ignore him when he goes off tangent.

 

[Kshatrap A.V.]

anything you do uncalibrated can come across weird, statements are part of the interaction and works when is CALIBRATED, same as questions...

Yes. I meant that only that statements or questions when done by me in uncalibrated way or without understanding the conversation flow came as weird but not when used in calibrated manner.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Well done

 

[Skills]

Lmao. I blame ya'll for replying James. He's a fraud. Always has. Always will


His game is around 6/7 over 10. Which means once in a while he'll say something quite good. But the majority of the time, he'll be so off the mark you'd wonder if he has ever kissed a woman.

A good example of someone who is posing is the constant need to go round in circles about dumb shit. Like for example in this thread: jerking off over questions lol. No he wants to bore us with a long post on questions. So irrelevant, and dumb.

Best to just ignore him when he goes off tangent.

I don't think he is a fraud... I just think he loves to go in circles makes kj Francis look like a to the point dude in comparison.... Good luck discussing a seduction in a private chat you will write an enciclopedia going in circles... But he is a good guy...

 

[James Cruse]

There are multiple tools.. questions one of them... I don't need a post this, i laid 100s of girls using questions as part of the seductions... Link chase post i guarantee you some shit out of context that you are interpreting

Too long, didn't read.

Just say you don't like and can't admit it's too hard for you to make statements and avoid questions. Many guys (just like you) have admitted this to me already.
Same as this system that this thread is about - people admit to me that they struggle with talking with emotions because it's difficult.

bombarding women with meaningless questions is uncalibrated, but question asking is super important during the interaction...

Who are you here with?
What are you guys celebrating?
How is your night going?
Are you single? Or variations mainly day game
Do you leave around here?
are you from here?
Are you married?
Some dudes ask zodiac signs?
Are you working tomorrow?


Those are important for cold approach during interactions...

Skills, are you telling me you can't convert ANY or ALL of those questions into statements that sound more seductive or charming?

Mate, be honest with yourself - it takes abit more work, but every one of those questions can be converted to a much more fun statement.

Or better yet - every answer that you're looking for from those questions could be gotten by making a statement (and more). These are mostly lazy logical questions that you didn't think about - and you know they are.

Here's some possible much more fun answers to those questions:

Who are you here with? I just met my friend earlier for drinks, now I'm solo (then she reciprocates my statement) or better, "you look like you've had a big day with your friends and you're done with them"

What are you guys celebrating? This looks like a rowdy bachelorette party/birthday party/whatever (who cares what it is)
How is your night going? You guys look like you're having fun/chill/whatever

Are you single? Or variations mainly day game/Are you married? I never ask if they're single or not during daygame - I don't recommend anyone else does either. They'll bring it up if it's relevant.

Do you leave around here? are you from here? You look like you're from x place, for y reason
Some dudes ask zodiac signs? (lol why would you care about this?) You look like a cross between a Capricorn and an Aquarius. You're probably too much of a handful for me, but we'll see.

Are you working tomorrow? (she'll tell you this in the interaction, you don't need to ask) You look like you work in x job.

For alot of these questions - why do you even care to know?
Look how easy they were to convert to statements with the most minimal of thought while making it far more interesting and stimulating, as Zan said above.
It'd be even easier to make them far more fun if I saw whatever the situation was and could go further with context.

Statements can add the actual emotional language to them, like in this thread, you can add frames, jokes, disqualifications, challenges, whatever.
Questions are limited for all those avenues, or simply not possible.
Statements are like a 2-for-1, at least or a 5-for-1 in the same sentence, if you can manage it.

How is asking questions better than that - is it the small amount of additional effort/thinking required the issue here?

 

[Skills]

Too long, didn't read.

Just say you don't like and can't admit it's too hard for you to make statements and avoid questions. Many guys (just like you) have admitted this to me already.
Same as this system that this thread is about - people admit to me that they struggle with talking with emotions because it's difficult.



Skills, are you telling me you can't convert ANY or ALL of those questions into statements that sound more seductive or charming?

Mate, be honest with yourself - it takes abit more work, but every one of those questions can be converted to a much more fun statement.

Or better yet - every answer that you're looking for from those questions could be gotten by making a statement (and more). These are mostly lazy logical questions that you didn't think about - and you know they are.

Here's some possible much more fun answers to those questions:

Who are you here with? I just met my friend earlier for drinks, now I'm solo (then she reciprocates my statement) or better, "you look like you've had a big day with your friends and you're done with them"

What are you guys celebrating? This looks like a rowdy bachelorette party/birthday party/whatever (who cares what it is)
How is your night going? You guys look like you're having fun/chill/whatever

Are you single? Or variations mainly day game/Are you married? I never ask if they're single or not during daygame - I don't recommend anyone else does either. They'll bring it up if it's relevant.

Do you leave around here? are you from here? You look like you're from x place, for y reason
Some dudes ask zodiac signs? (lol why would you care about this?) You look like a cross between a Capricorn and an Aquarius. You're probably too much of a handful for me, but we'll see.

Are you working tomorrow? (she'll tell you this in the interaction, you don't need to ask) You look like you work in x job.

For alot of these questions - why do you even care to know?
Look how easy they were to convert to statements with the most minimal of thought while making it far more interesting and stimulating, as Zan said above.
It'd be even easier to make them far more fun if I saw whatever the situation was and could go further with context.

Statements can add the actual emotional language to them, like in this thread, you can add frames, jokes, disqualifications, challenges, whatever.
Questions are limited for all those avenues, or simply not possible.
Statements are like a 2-for-1, at least or a 5-for-1 in the same sentence, if you can manage it.

How is asking questions better than that - is it the small amount of additional effort/thinking required the issue here?

Jesus! here we go... i ain't going in circles man.... you win! One day with technology autism will be cured... @PaulieFlyn10 you warned me... fml!

 

[James Cruse]

Jesus! here we go... i ain't going in circles man.... you win! One day with technology autism will be cured....

I don't think you know what "going around in circles" means. I just very easily showed how you could make statements rather than questions with very little effort.

I'll take you saying this as you admitting I was correct and you don't have any other reasons to oppose it.

Feel free to ask Chase or Zan or anyone else why they use statements over questions though - maybe they recommended them for different reasons to what I listed above.

But I think that was a helpful demonstration to anyone reading this for how easy it is to make statements and how it gives you unlimited possibilities, but it does take some work, practice and thinking. I know some guys here are allergic to that.

 

[Francis]

I don't think he is a fraud... I just think he loves to go in circles makes kj Francis look like a to the point dude in comparison.... Good luck discussing a seduction in a private chat you will write an enciclopedia going in circles... But he is a good guy...

Still going! I wanted Spike personally to get better results because he is obviously super skilled (plus with a much more comprehensive past than I was aware of)... and it could have significantly leveled up the forum, since I still think he had a narrow view. I would continue to drill the same point in if he was here...

He wants a girlfriend but optimizes pickup to pull o'clock... Smart for the goal of pulling (and not that you can't find gf quality whatsoever at night... though his is on pills), but it by definition screens out huge swaths of the population. In a college town especially, that is a massive opportunity cost. You are leaving so much quality on the table, even in night game by playing passive.

Would love to see him back. Ok KJ back to break... Forum's a drug...

 

[Teevster]

Did I just come back to read pages upon pages with questionable posters stating one could/should not ask [eliciting] questions?

Sad because this thread how potential.

-Teevster

 

[James Cruse]

Did I just come back to read pages upon pages with questionable posters stating one could/should not ask [eliciting] questions?

Yeah, I said I recommend not asking questions and so did Chase in an article he wrote.

Are you referring to me as questionable or Chase or Zan Perrion (where he states the same thing in his video I posted above)?

All good, I'll write a full post about statements over questions and elicitations and alternatives.

 

[Francis]

Did I just come back to read pages upon pages with questionable posters stating one could/should not ask [eliciting] questions?

Sad because this thread how potential.

-Teevster

Can you teach us best practices to determine when to choose questions vs. statements?

It is something I've seen mentioned, but maybe context dependent like the warning below.

Second. Stop asking her questions.

No questions allowed!

You can now ONLY make observations or make claims. That's it.

It's a good exercise to do when the conversation get's too interview-y.

You wanna ask where she bought her green dress. You wanna ask why she likes green. STOP IT! Instead, take a GUESS, and make an assumption. "Hey, I bet you bought that dress at Disneyland!" She'll go yes or no (in this case most likely no). Then tease her for it: "Total Disneyland dress!" Not to be vile or evil. Do it with a smirk. If she gets angry, say you're sorry and change the topic.

Maybe I need to be more questionable... Or questioning...

 

[Skills]

Still going! I wanted Spike personally to get better results because he is obviously super skilled (plus with a much more comprehensive past than I was aware of)... and it could have significantly leveled up the forum, since I still think he had a narrow view. I would continue to drill the same point in if he was here...

He wants a girlfriend but optimizes pickup to pull o'clock... Smart for the goal of pulling (and not that you can't find gf quality whatsoever at night... though his is on pills), but it by definition screens out huge swaths of the population. In a college town especially, that is a massive opportunity cost. You are leaving so much quality on the table, even in night game by playing passive.

Would love to see him back. Ok KJ back to break... Forum's a drug...

yet his last couple of girls among many:

- 18 year old studying to be a plastic surgeon
-18 year old studying to be lawyer
-18 year old studying to be engeneer

4.0 gpa, dude I used to do his type of game and teach again we are going in circles... got similar type of girls and professions....again we had this convo. we are going in circles...

 

[Francis]

yet his last couple of girls among many:

- 18 year old studying to be a plastic surgeon
-18 year old studying to be lawyer
-18 year old studying to be engeneer

4.0 gpa, dude I used to do his type of game and teach again we are going in circles... got similar type of girls and professions....again we had this convo. we are going in circles...

Nice! Wish he was here to post the reports. College towns are great fishing grounds. That is not the demographic in my area at 1am that is for sure. The problem I see is you have to keep going when you see a girl waiting for the bus who doesn't give you an approach invitation.

That's cool he doesn't want to do day game. I just don't see how it's a deployable skill set outside of a niche, optimized environment. I would 100% open mindedly like to hear what he would suggest for my last lay report (at pull o'clock) though.

I wish I was here for Bacchus...

 

[Francis]

last lay report

*Outing report

Can't edit

 

[Skills]

Nice! Wish he was here to post the reports. College towns are great fishing grounds. That is not the demographic in my area at 1am that is for sure. The problem I see is you have to keep going when you see a girl waiting for the bus who doesn't give you an approach invitation.

That's cool he doesn't want to do day game. I just don't see how it's a deployable skill set outside of a niche, optimized environment. I would 100% open mindedly like to hear what he would suggest for my last lay report (at pull o'clock) though.

I wish I was here for Bacchus...

By your logic why don't you stop doing online and do club game and see how easy it is vs day game and online( being sarcastic)...

 

[Francis]

By your logic why don't you stop doing online and do club game and see how easy it is vs day game and online( being sarcastic)...

No no, I am not critiquing Spike's skill or saying anything's easier. It has always been a theoretical topic about the nature of:

- screening (filtering in/out) vs. conversion

- picking up vs. hooking up (Gunwitch?)

- target vs. anyone above personal hotness threshold

All three of the above I think are kind of the same thing, and are distinctions even within club game.

I have a date Friday from night cold approach, Saturday from day cold approach, and a third today from day cold approach I asked her to reschedule. Also going out Thursday night. Three venue plan with new gay wing.

I am a total padawan here, just trying to adopt the right mindsets from the absolute masters! I hope it does not come across antagonistic.