would a celebrity need to learn tactics?

[naturalmikey]

the obvious answer to this question is no. why? because celebrities are of value. tactics are used to elevate ones value, among other things. one reason a tactic would be employed would be to reduce her negative social consequences of having sex with a stranger. would brad pitt need to do this? no. but why? because there are no social repercussions of having sex with a high value man. so again, it comes down to value. the higher your value the less you have to do.

if you look at it this way it makes any type of predetermined effort to control the outcome appear as inherently low value, yet trying to deceive as high value. basically a peasant who looks like johnny depp fooling the naive.

but what is you are low value? well, you’re not. we are all of value. but women don’t always see it this way. women will judge you from a myriad angles to determine your value to them. gold diggers may see your value in your paycheck (although she may be secretly supporting a drug addict). the academically pretentious may see value in your degree. a 20 year old college student may see value in your face and body. an educated 30 year old may see value in your social status. a recently divorced milf may see value in youth and looks. however beneath the surface at a biological level all women see value in your behavior.

what tactics and technical game do is leverage value in your social status. however this comes at the cost of being inauthentic. this will work temporarily, in my experience primarily on women in their mid to late twenties. for me that was the group that game would really work on. however, already possessing value the tricks and tactics are still unnecessary.

but if your low value does the value gamed by game exceed the value lost by being inauthentic? yes, it can. but would behaving in a high value manner to begin with not make more sense?

i have dabbled in all sorts of different game. i have come to the conclusion that authenticity coupled with fundamentals is the best game. actually getting to know someone on a personal level. what you lose in focusing on the process is the actual connection. you can manufacture a connection on the woman’s end but she’s not really meeting the authentic you.

my game today looks like this:

i have a strong belief grounded in experience that i can get girls and will continue to get girls for the rest of my life (inner game). i also believe my authentic self is good enough.

i had a lot of insecurities and game was the perfect bandaid as it allowed me to rack up lay count. but i never dealt with what was really under the surface and never really got to know anyone. i now see that i was wasting my life away chasing fleeting experiences instead of enjoying what life had to offer.

one thing you’ll learn about women is that they value ambition over success. countless times you’ll see women lose interest in very successful men when they lose ambition. like a shark if you’re not moving you will die.

i recently decided i’m unhappy with my life. i make decent money, live in the best neighborhood arguably in the world, and have had a tremendous sex life. i also have beautiful children who mean the world to me. but i never really focused on myself and always looked outside to make me happy.

in the past six months i’ve been in a transitionairy period. i fell in love with a girl i had used game to manipulate. recovering from introducing her to someone who wasn’t me was inpossible. we both got hurt. what i realized is that i want to be. if i’m not being honest with women i won’t be honest with myself. i’ve been compensating with pickup. ironically it was the journey into this narcissistic existence that has allowed me to emerge throughout the other side. so i can’t knock it. but i just applied to grad school and am focusing on what i need and not what i want.

game is broad and encompassing. people don’t like giving up their ideas, because they’re their ideas. so i know a lot of people believe what they believe about game. but i have come to the realization that i can be myself and still have success. if there are people reading who are discouraged because they don’t want to have to be fake to get girls this post is for you. if you enjoy the tactics and authenticity is not important to you, this post is not for you. this is my truth. i know some will relate and some won’t. the funny thing is at the end of the day success with women won’t fix a thing. all your problems will still be there. it could even get worse if you knock a girl up, catch an std, develop sex addiction or a myriad of other problems.

pickup is marketed to guys as a way to get a girlfriend a lot of the time. and it can be. but if you want a girlfriend and you’re not being yourself she may not like the real you when she gets to know you. maybe all you want is sex. just be careful because everyone falls in love sometime. and it’s better to fall in love with someone who knows the real you.

 

[BigPapa]

I relate a lot with what you said

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

@naturalmikey dude! I can see your perspective but disagree with your thoughts on pickup being inauthentic. If you used the canned lines and totally scripted routines yes, but developing fundamentals and social skills isn't being inauthentic it's developing skills.

Game or pickup or tactics and techniques are only guidelines to help guide you through situations. All your doing is gaining yourself more experience, reading and learningon someone else's.

You're very well versed in pick up material and you're a big advocate of swingcat who has a lot of similarities to some of chase's stuff. Your authentic self is so experienced either through learning as a natural without noticing or though practicing and reading material and now it's ingrained you'll act without realising.

Someone with no experience or reference points won't always be able to rely on natural game and sometimes being yourself isn't enough you need to be better. Yes regular guys can kill it, but they can also suck and depend on meeting yes girls. Good fundamentals or higher status might unlock more yes girls such as your Brad Pitt example but most guys looking at pick up struggle to meet girls in one way or another.

You see this with the rise in online and app dating. Guys that can't talk to girls will message them easily. It doesn't take half as much confidence to do. This is another reason why girls are dissatisfied with men. A little bit of game if you will puts you ahead of the competition.

While learning or practicing it may be inauthentic but it makes you take action. The amount of guys that won't take action need to be told they have to lead and go after what they want dude.

You should be good enough in yourself to meet girls and you should know that being yourself is enough but it might not get you many opportunities. This is another topic altogether which I'll happily discuss but this is a long enough reply anyway!

Natural game is all well and good if it's working, if it's not realising your mistakes or learning how to best handle social situations stops you from repeating mistakes.

 

[BigPapa]

@Fluxcapacitor i think that learning Game and stuff like that is good when you do not have that much experience , as there is no other way to be good with girls , but as time goes by I think it makes sense to try to be as natural as possible , especially if your aim is to find a girlfriend or a wife .

me personally I try to be as natural as possible and just making things on the spot , and when things do not go as I want I reflect on the whole interaction and see if I did any mistakes , and if I realize that I did not do anything bad and I still want her ( this is an ego issue ) I go very technical so I have the best odds on bedding her .
My problem when I go technical is that I feel that the whole interaction is kinda fake and she does not like me for who I am so I just focus on bedding her and move on

 

[DarkKnight]

I pretty much second Fluxcapicator, he put it down in an articulate way. Also I do not see tactics and techniques as not authentic. If we put 2 boxers in front of eachother, one who was been training strength and speed, while the other one has trained his technical game up to a T, this doesnt make him an "inauthentic" boxer. Both get the job done, although a combination of both is superdeadly and the stuff of champions. I believe in good synergies. Also if only fundamentals was sufficient I wouldnt reread Chases or Rolstads articles 20000 times.

 

[BigPapa]

I was saying that the tech stuff should reach a point where they are part of your personality to the point that you will do things just because it feels natural to do that .

in addition to this , I think that what chase and alek are writing is more on the pshichology side rather than routines etc

 

[DarkKnight]

Alek is writing some pretty technical stuff. See for instance his last article about the period gambit.

Also I agree about tech becoming a part of your personality, but in order to do that you still have to practice it and learn about it. If you avoid it or disregard it as fake, you will not be able to incorporate it. Many martial arts have drills for that very same reason. In order to incorporate which at first was not intiutive.

 

[ulrich]

I also want to add that the “value” frame is very simplistic and limiting.
Yes, Brad Pitt is a man of huge “objective value” but neither Angelina Jolie nor Jennifer Aniston want to have anything to do with him.

The thing is you can be a man of value and still lose a girl because she feels she can’t get you, she feels you are already eating from her hand, you are valuable but not trustworthy, you don’t fit in her life... etc...
This does not talk about your value, it talks about your attainability and your ability to solve objections (hint: you can’t possibly solve all objections).

Trying to see all failures from the perspective of value will have you feeling always incomplete.
And it is simply not the truth.