Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she nude

[NealIRC]

Imagine seeing a topless girl playing basketball with a group of guys or just you. Then you have the visual.

Would that beat sex if she was fully-clothed?

I'm actually visual. I know a lot of Hispanic guys are aesthetic, meaning, they want a girl to suck their dick, and it wouldn't matter whether she was fully-clothed, small titties / small ass or ugly.

But for me, a girl sucking my dick isn't any excitement for me. And if she did that while she was fully-naked, then that itself is more exciting than the sucking dick part.

So if a girl offered me sex, and she was gonna me fully clothed - she was only gonna unzip her pants to let the dick in, then I'd feel like a total ripoff, cuz I wouldn't get to see any toplessness.

OneDate has a lot of stuff on just bringing her to the bedroom for sex, but what if you want to hire her as a model and take pictures of her in outdoor private places?

 

[Virgin101]

Re: Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she

Imagine seeing a topless girl playing basketball with a group of guys or just you. Then you have the visual.

Would that beat sex if she was fully-clothed?

I'm actually visual. I know a lot of Hispanic guys are aesthetic, meaning, they want a girl to suck their dick, and it wouldn't matter whether she was fully-clothed, small titties / small ass or ugly.

But for me, a girl sucking my dick isn't any excitement for me. And if she did that while she was fully-naked, then that itself is more exciting than the sucking dick part.

So if a girl offered me sex, and she was gonna me fully clothed - she was only gonna unzip her pants to let the dick in, then I'd feel like a total ripoff, cuz I wouldn't get to see any toplessness.

OneDate has a lot of stuff on just bringing her to the bedroom for sex, but what if you want to hire her as a model and take pictures of her in outdoor private places?

Fuck off Neal!

 

[NealIRC]

Re: Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she

Fuck off Neal!

So I take it you're aesthetic and not visual.

Aesthetic people love oral, no? They don't care how ugly the girl is, they'll even oral from an old lady, because it's not about looks, it's about the psychological.

Well it just so happens that I read an article about some White guy who broke off a girl relationship of 4 years. Because, she refused to do oral sex. They likely had regular sex, but no oral sex.

And so, he broke up with her. And then joked to his gay guy friend about wanting oral from him. Well, it happened, he did oral with a gay guy friend.

Because, he was aesthetic, he wanted oral.

I scratch my head on this.

This is something aesthetic people who love oral, would lean to?

Like I said, I'll like oral only if the girl is nude, oral from a fully-clothed girl is not meaningful to me.

 

[NealIRC]

Re: Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she

I've asked this question to a bunch of Latino guys, and they are all aesthetic, but I don't have a circle of White guys to profile with.

I take it most White men are insecure to answer this question? As it seems in this forum, that's the reason I asked, to get White guy surveys.

 

[ThePhoenix]

Re: Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she

Neal, sometimes a question is worth a thousand answers, so here are a few I'd like you to sincerely try answering:

1. What is the biological reason for males to be visually attracted to females' bodies?
   
   
2. Assuming she's not dressed like a nun, can the relevant biological information about a female still be communicated to a male, in spite of her wearing clothes?
   
   
3. Can having sex with a woman with most of her clothes on still make her pregnant?
   
   
4. Can watching a naked woman play basketball make her pregnant?
   
   
5. Based on your answers to (3) and (4), is it natural to prioritize nudity over sexual intercourse?
   
   
6. Would masturbating to pornography tend to create a mental association between pleasure and actually having sexual intercourse, or between pleasure and passively observing sex/nudity?
   
   
7. Based on your answers to (5) and (6), do you think masturbating to pornography is healthy?
   
   
8. How do you know that you wouldn't find it exciting or enjoyable to have some fully-clothed, beautiful hot Latina* sucking your dick or fucking you? Is this an experience you've had and didn't enjoy?
   
   
9. Bonus question: Quote me the definition from a reputable dictionary for the word "aesthetic" that matches your intended meaning.

* I'm just using this example, being Neal's type.

I'll give my own preferences on the matter, but first I want you to answer all of the above to the best of your abilities.

Phoenix

 

[NealIRC]

Re: Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she

Neal, sometimes a question is worth a thousand answers, so here are a few I'd like you to sincerely try answering:

1. What is the biological reason for males to be visually attracted to females' bodies?

1. 
   This is what I am. But I also look for confidence in visually-attractive women.
   
   

   [*] Assuming she's not dressed like a nun, can the relevant biological information about a female still be communicated to a male, in spite of her wearing clothes?

   Not as much as with cleavage.
   
   

   [*] Can having sex with a woman with most of her clothes on still make her pregnant?
   
   [*] Can watching a naked woman play basketball make her pregnant?

   Neither does oral.
   
   But a woman can get pregnant with clothes on.
   
   

   [*] Based on your answers to (3) and (4), is it natural to prioritize nudity over sexual intercourse?

   Depends if the guy is visual or aesthetic.
   
   It's possible for me to want to hire a girl as a model, and not get her pregnant. $$$.
   
   

   [*] Would masturbating to pornography tend to create a mental association between pleasure and actually having sexual intercourse, or between pleasure and passively observing sex/nudity?

   All of the above.
   
   

   [*] Based on your answers to (5) and (6), do you think masturbating to pornography is healthy?

   If you haven't ejaculated in a while, absolutely.
   
   

   [*] How do you know that you wouldn't find it exciting or enjoyable to have some fully-clothed, beautiful hot Latina* sucking your dick or fucking you? Is this an experience you've had and didn't enjoy?

   Because I'd rather kiss her snatch, than for her to kiss or suck mine.
   
   

   [*] Bonus question: Quote me the definition from a reputable dictionary for the word "aesthetic" that matches your intended meaning.

* I'm just using this example, being Neal's type.

I'll give my own preferences on the matter, but first I want you to answer all of the above to the best of your abilities.

Phoenix

Yea, it's not about the word, but about the description.

 

[ThePhoenix]

Re: Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she

Ahhh, Neal, ... if answering you wasn't so much fun, I'd never do it... ... cuz u won't listen anyway!

Not as much as with cleavage.

You're going to have to back that up. As far as I can tell, modern clothing does not conceal most important biological information.

For instance, genetic quality can be judged based on fluctuating asymmetry (FA). High FA is associated with poor gene conservation. FA is quite readily apparent from facial features, which, unless your chick is in a burqa, or a ski mask, are not concealed by clothes.

Female sexual maturity and fertility can be judged mainly from the overall level and pattern of fat deposition, primarily to the butt and breasts, as well as hip width. Hip to waist ratio is an important marker for fertility and overall health. Modern clothing in most cases doesn't materially prevent assessing the level of fat deposition nor hip/waist ratios.

Neither does oral.

...which is why, if you've noticed, this site would tend to discourage ending an encounter with some sexual escalation but without vaginal intercourse. There is a fundamental difference in a girl's mind between a guy who has had vaginal intercourse with her versus one who hasn't.

It's also worth noting that at least the physical sensations associated with impregnating a girl are somewhat emulated in oral sex, which is more than can be said of watching her play basketball topless.

But a woman can get pregnant with clothes on.

I hope you appreciate the significance of that fact to the present topic.

It's possible for me to want to hire a girl as a model, and not get her pregnant. $$$.

If your ancestors had been satisfied with hiring girls as models instead of shagging them, you wouldn't be here.

• Would masturbating to pornography tend to create a mental association between pleasure and actually having sexual intercourse, or between pleasure and passively observing sex/nudity?

All of the above.

But logically, which of those associations would you expect to be much stronger? The association with what you're actually doing (passive observation of sex), or the association with you hypothetically doing what some other person on the computer screen is doing?

• Based on your answers to (5) and (6), do you think masturbating to pornography is healthy?

If you haven't ejaculated in a while, absolutely.

See the emphasis I've added to my question.

There may be some health benefits to ejaculating, - or more specifically, there may be health detriments to not ejaculating, - but these are independent of watching porn. So, given that you can gain any possible health benefits of periodic ejaculation by masturbating without porn, how do you justify your answer?

Because I'd rather kiss her snatch, than for her to kiss or suck mine.

SMH. For one, this doesn't answer the question. The question was:

• How do you know that you wouldn't find it exciting or enjoyable to have some fully-clothed, beautiful hot Latina* sucking your dick or fucking you? Is this an experience you've had and didn't enjoy?

I ask you, "how do you know you would prefer A over B", and you answer me, "because I would prefer C over D", and there isn't any clear equivalence A = C or B = D. It's like me asking you what time it is and you answering by giving me directions to the library.

You also completely evaded the second part of the question, which is crucial:

Is this an experience you've had and didn't enjoy?

And on top of this, your non-answer begs another obvious question: how do you know you would rather kiss her snatch over her kissing or sucking yours? Have you kissed a girl's snatch? Have you had a girl suck you off?

Without having actually had these experiences, your expression of what you think you would prefer is essentially meaningless. You are not comparing actual acts. You are comparing your virginal ideations of these acts.

Look man, for the benefit of science. Go and fuck a hot Latina with her clothes mostly on. Pay her if you have to, cuz this is getting ridiculous. (But I didn't tell you to do that!) And then get another hot Latina to play basketball topless... I'm sure you can find escorts happy to play basketball topless for the right price. And then come back here and tell me, "Phoenix, I've fucked a hot chick with her clothes on and I've watched a hot chick play topless basketball, and I'll take topless basketball over sex any day", and I'll believe you.

Yea, it's not about the word, but about the description.

I don't know what the heck that's supposed to mean.

I do have some concept of what aesthetic means. Per Wiktionary, emphasis mine:

Adjective

aesthetic (comparative more aesthetic, superlative most aesthetic)

1. Concerned with beauty, artistic impact, or appearance.
2. (nonstandard) Beautiful or appealing to one's sense of beauty and/or art.

Seems pretty damned.... visual to me.


To answer your question...

I'm a little problematic to your little theory. See, for starters, I'm actually quite visual. Probably too much for my own damned good when it comes to game. I won't give a girl a second look unless she's a fair bit darker skinned than me, has a flatter, wider nose, bigger lips, kinky hair (for practical reasons I may begrudgingly let them get away with weave or relaxer), and near pure black eyes. And ideally she should be slim but curvy, have silky smooth really dark skin, be really tall, have high, wide cheeks, largish interpupillary distance, and perfectly symmetrical, soft, flowing Nilotic facial features, smallish nose, big lips, and have her hair in an afro or twist-out or high-side afro puff.

I am visual as fuck.

So, by your theory, I should rather watch this African beauty play basketball topless, over pounding her pussy when she's dressed. Nope. Sorry. I actually have intact breeding instincts. If she played topless basketball and then went home without letting me hit it, I'd be thoroughly disappointed! What a damn tease.

 

[NealIRC]

Re: Would you rather sex with girl who was fully clothed, or basketball and she

ThePhoenix, you're missing some fundamental ideas here.

1st is I am too old to have kids. Per my own view. So I have no goals to procreate.

Does that mean I should cease a life of interactions with women?

So I will still desire to hire women as models.

Ad what good does it do me? Well for 1 thing, the idea that a woman is comfortable being naked in front of me and letting me take photos of her is itself an ego-booster, something for me to feel proud of, as an accomplishment. Even the idea of having a woman walk around nude in my house and okay with me looking.

Call it seeking validation if you will.

Now as the part about cleavage does not conceal most important biological functions, it does portray psychological functions. Particularly confidence. Confidence is very important to me.

So, I don't consider myself someone with a foot fetish. I thought I did, but when I found a definitions that included putting the mouth in or licking it and stuff, then no. But if a woman walks around barefoot, the turn-on is the confidence part. The non-conformist part. The standing-out-of-the-pack part. Like in public stores and such.

Same idea with cleavage, to me it portrays 2 things: confidence, and less conservatism.

As far as hip-to-waist ratio possibly true but I don't self-aware or think about it.

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Ejaculation would be healthy if you haven't done it in a while.

Because I'd rather kiss her snatch, than for her to kiss or suck mine.

SMH. For one, this doesn't answer the question. The question was:

• How do you know that you wouldn't find it exciting or enjoyable to have some fully-clothed, beautiful hot Latina* sucking your dick or fucking you? Is this an experience you've had and didn't enjoy?

I ask you, "how do you know you would prefer A over B", and you answer me, "because I would prefer C over D", and there isn't any clear equivalence A = C or B = D. It's like me asking you what time it is and you answering by giving me directions to the library.

Well gee, if some guys are boobs or ass, can you convert them to the other?

If some guys prefer big over small, or small over big, can you convert them to the other?

So I think I am visual.

You also completely evaded the second part of the question, which is crucial:

Is this an experience you've had and didn't enjoy?

Let's say my eyes are closed, and someone were to suck my dick, and I wasn't going to know who. It could be man or woman. Could be gay guy or straight woman. You think I can tell it apart? Why should 1 be more pleasurable than the other - can I tell a woman's tongue from a guy's tongue?

And on top of this, your non-answer begs another obvious question: how do you know you would rather kiss her snatch over her kissing or sucking yours? Have you kissed a girl's snatch? Have you had a girl suck you off?

The thought of me really turning a girl on, turns me on. Especially if it's an idea that they weren't inclined to come up with. So if I came up with the idea, even better.

What if the vast majority of guys don't do this to a girl, they only want her to suck him off? Then along comes me who does the other way around, and instead, makes her feel like a goddess. What an ego boost that is for both of us.

Yea, it's not about the word, but about the description.

I don't know what the heck that's supposed to mean.

It means, we don't care about what the title of the book or article is, only the article or book itself. The title of the book or article is just to make a general simplification of the idea.

I do have some concept of what aesthetic means. Per Wiktionary, emphasis mine:

Adjective

aesthetic (comparative more aesthetic, superlative most aesthetic)

1. Concerned with beauty, artistic impact, or appearance.
2. (nonstandard) Beautiful or appealing to one's sense of beauty and/or art.

Seems pretty damned.... visual to me.


To answer your question...

I'm a little problematic to your little theory. See, for starters, I'm actually quite visual. Probably too much for my own damned good when it comes to game. I won't give a girl a second look unless she's a fair bit darker skinned than me, has a flatter, wider nose, bigger lips, kinky hair (for practical reasons I may begrudgingly let them get away with weave or relaxer), and near pure black eyes. And ideally she should be slim but curvy, have silky smooth really dark skin, be really tall, have high, wide cheeks, largish interpupillary distance, and perfectly symmetrical, soft, flowing Nilotic facial features, smallish nose, big lips, and have her hair in an afro or twist-out or high-side afro puff.

I am visual as fuck.

So, by your theory, I should rather watch this African beauty play basketball topless, over pounding her pussy when she's dressed. Nope. Sorry. I actually have intact breeding instincts. If she played topless basketball and then went home without letting me hit it, I'd be thoroughly disappointed! What a damn tease.

So it seems you would not want oral from an ugly girl. That is fine. You jus still prefer having her oral with clothes on, then to not have oral and without clothes on.