Hormonal acne

Rodrigo

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Hello guys. I have hormonal acne on my face, back and a little on the upper arms and chest. I eat very, very healthy. I wash my face (water only, since anything with chemicals only make it worse) once in the morning and once in the evening. i do high intensity workouts/HIIT but, my facial skin specially, is still a mess once in a while.

I'm completely inexperienced with women (virgin), so yesterday i told my self: ''today i'll finally make my first direct approach on a girl''. So i weared nice clothes and when i looked at the mirror, my face had quite a few noticeable red bumps and one or two yellow ones, so i picked a little on the yellow ones so they became just red, but bigger... that discouraged me of going out. And the exact same thing just happened with me right now. Yeah, i feel comfortable being inside here right now, but i also feel terribly miserable and can't stop thinking about it, so i can't focus to do shit because of shame.

Am i being silly? Because this thought wandering in the back of my head is like: ''you're just giving yourself another excuse, because even if this acne makes you less attractive and confident, it doesn't matter, since you just have to start getting experience''.

Does anyone here had bad acne or still do? If so, how did you deal with it? Just not giving a fuck and approaching anyway?

Thanks.
 

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Hey man,

I've suffered from really serious acne in my time. Had it treated medically and now there are mainly the scars left.
I hadn't learned about pickup while my acne was at its worst so can't really give any guidance on how to motivate yourself during that.
But I can tell you that it WILL pass and you WILL get better with women if you just start making slight improvements here and there. Focus on one thing at a time, you wont become a champ in one night. It will take a looong time. Embrace the process. And don't pick those pimples, it makes them worse...

PS. Depending on the severity of the acne you might wan't to consult a doctor specialized in that stuff.
 

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Rodrigo,

Everyone has something about their appearance that they don't like. Even girls you would consider beautiful. You should definitely look for a way to fix your acne (try things that you haven't yet to some research or more research). But in the meantime realize that no matter how terrible you think your acne is , or how short you are or how bad your fundamentals are or how bald you are , or how skinny you are THERE IS a pool of the female population that will find you attractive. Now they may not be super models but girls are girls. Now fixing things like your acne , putting on muscles , improving your fashion and hairstyle will increase the pool of women that will be interested in you (they will probably also be more attractive physically).

Work on your game (with the girls who are currently attracted to you) and fundamentals and sometime in the future you will be shocked at the change when you see girls who you thought would never like you start furiously playing with their hair while in conversation with you.

And you know what? You've earned it.

Skid
 

Rodrigo

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WayOfHand said:
Hey man,

I've suffered from really serious acne in my time. Had it treated medically and now there are mainly the scars left.
I hadn't learned about pickup while my acne was at its worst so can't really give any guidance on how to motivate yourself during that.
But I can tell you that it WILL pass and you WILL get better with women if you just start making slight improvements here and there. Focus on one thing at a time, you wont become a champ in one night. It will take a looong time. Embrace the process. And don't pick those pimples, it makes them worse...

PS. Depending on the severity of the acne you might wan't to consult a doctor specialized in that stuff.
Hey WayOfHand, thanks for for your inpute mate. And yeah, i know that picking them makes it worse, but sometimes i'm very anxious so i end up picking them anyways. I will try to find a good dermatologist, but here in Brazil there's very few that really knows about acne. Most of them just put you into stupid antibiotics.
Skid said:
Rodrigo,

Everyone has something about their appearance that they don't like. Even girls you would consider beautiful. You should definitely look for a way to fix your acne (try things that you haven't yet to some research or more research). But in the meantime realize that no matter how terrible you think your acne is , or how short you are or how bad your fundamentals are or how bald you are , or how skinny you are THERE IS a pool of the female population that will find you attractive. Now they may not be super models but girls are girls. Now fixing things like your acne , putting on muscles , improving your fashion and hairstyle will increase the pool of women that will be interested in you (they will probably also be more attractive physically).

Work on your game (with the girls who are currently attracted to you) and fundamentals and sometime in the future you will be shocked at the change when you see girls who you thought would never like you start furiously playing with their hair while in conversation with you.

And you know what? You've earned it.

Skid
Thanks Skid, that's very true. I shouldn't be allowing myself to be worried with stuff that i can't change much (for now, until i can go into a good dermatologist).
 

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Alright lad - the advice given so far is stellar and will absolutely help you with getting rid of that acne, i'm 17 and still have quite a bit here and there on the ol' cheeks so going to give foxes advice a go as well.

You do, however, need a mindset refresh. Looks are looks. Will you get a better reception with better looks? Yes. Will it prevent you from getting hurt by rejection? No. You need to get rejected a lot until it doesn't sting, till it feels funny almost. Take a look at RSD Tyler, literally an old balding ginger who sleeps with sexy ass models. It's your vibe, your sexuality, your game. Start going out now regardless, you will never truly have the look you want - so start gamin' and working on the things you can change.

A girl told me two nights ago via text that my mate had told her, 'Rob's a really sexy guy, it's a shame about his looks'. I laughed so hard, the fact that I worked on something I could change and cared not about something I could not allowed me to be confident enough to totally turn this girl on again by not being deterred. So go do the same, have stunning game and a sexy-confident vibe and you should be Gucci ^^

Hopefully this helps!

- Rob
 

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Incredible post by Fox and lots of other great general advice, I am not an expert with acne (I had very noticeable acne in high school and would get new spots most days, some of them quite painful, but I never really made a serious effort to treat it and the problem resolved itself eventually, I still get a few spots a week as an adult but nothing too noticeable)... BUT I want to say that even the most frustrating and seemingly insurmountable problems can be cracked with research, better knowledge and determination. I want to share an example which is my hearing aids -- when I started seduction my aids would whistle every time I smiled and I would have to put my hands to my ears to push them back in... only alternative was to turn volume down but then I could not hear and both things were incredibly unsexy. People had been complaining about this since I was a teenager and I had just brushed it off as the limitations of the technology and just gone right ahead putting my aids on full volume and whistling all the time. But it just wasn't good enough for seduction. Well I spent fucking MONTHS scouring the web for information, reading scientific papers etc, I was willing to do anything, buy new hearing aids or even design or build something myself if it meant the feedback problem could be stopped. However the solution turned out to be pretty simple, after 5mth or so I discovered this new material which was a heat-softened memory foam that earmoulds could be made of, and not only that but it had been commercialized and was available as an off-the-shelf product that fitted my hearing aids and made the whole problem go away instantly. Truly the web is an amazing resource. There is sure to be a lot of bullshit information there about acne, but the knowledge you need to solve the problem is also there if you are determined enough to sort through it.
Ray
 

Rodrigo

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Fox said:
Acne is very much a trial and error process to solve.
I don't know the science of it all, but I have managed to take my acne down to almost 0 on my face, still get a bit here and there, but nothing that noticeable. We're talking like 1 pimple that's barely visible.

What you are going to have to do, at least to try and make a dent in your condition, is experiment with different ways to treat it. Each time you experiment you need to try for 1-3 months, since some might break you out at first and get better overtime. With my tips, I doubt that will happen, but there are no guarantees, it's very individual based.


Here are some easy different methods and tips to try out:

- Count how many grams of sugar you eat per day. Yeah, you say you eat healthy, but there's sugar in so many items you wouldn't even think about (tomato soup at restaurants has 20-30g of sugar sometimes). You need to actually COUNT the sugar that you are eating. If it's above 40g per day, you need to lower that and you'll see some improvement definitely.

- Is your face too oily or too dry? Both will cause acne. My acne tends to go away the more moist my face is, which means dryness is my problem. I've known people who's skin is an oil factory, their issue is too much oil that it's clogging their pores. Figure out which is yours.

- Try out a MILD (for sensitive skin) facial cleanser. You have to experiment with different ones. Washing with water usually isn't enough for most people. A mild/sensitive facial cleanser shouldn't make your acne worse, in fact, it should only help a TINY bit at most (I doubt it will help drastically, but who knows).

- You don't even have to use a cleanser, some people just use an extremely sensitive soap to cleanse their face. Again, figure out what works for you.

- Wash with that facial cleanser ONCE a week, and over the course of 1-3 months, SLOWLY increase how often you wash your face with it. I used to wash my face and exfoliate EVERY day. My acne got better but it didn't get perfect for some reason. That reason was that I was washing/exfoliating TOO often that it was irritating my face skin. You need to find your sweet spot (very few people follow this advice, and that's why you hear horror stories of "I used ____ every day for a week, and now my face is horrible!!!!! What do I do!!!!")

- If you find that the mild cleanser helps after 1-3 months of using it, but you still have acne problems, consider switching to a regular version ("combination skin") of your cleanser (a lot of cleansers will have 3 different versions, mild, combination, and oily)

- To exfoliate your skin, literally just use a washcloth with your cleanser (cinnamon-honey scrubs and exfoliating beads and all that shit are fucking STUPID and irritate way more than a washcloth despite what "experts" say.) You don't need to use a washcloth every time your wash your face, you should be using your hands most of the time (wash your hands beforehand). You should use a washcloth to exfoliate your face at least once a week. You will need to experiment with how hard you rub that washcloth into your face. On my nose, which got a lot of blackheads, I push that washcloth pretty damn hard there, and that keeps the blackheads at bay. On the rest of my face, rubbing too hard irritates my skin (of course). Again, err on the side of less pressure and be very gentle, and after doing that for 1-3 months, you can decide to up the pressure or not.

- Moisturize. You will have to find a moisturizer that works for you, generally the less chemicals in it the better. If your problem is your skin is too oily, moisturize less often. If your skin is too dry, moisturize once a day.

- I wouldn't recommend a toner, it often has alcohol in it, which badly affects your skin. I have always ignored this piece of advice, alcohol doesn't help in any way at all. If you feel you must have a toner, stick to "skin bracers or fresheners" that have no alcohol in them.

- Wash with colder water. Not freezing, but cold tepid. Hot waster irritates and dries out your skin. That whole "but it opens your pores" argument? It's bullshit, your pores don't open up as much as you'd like to believe, and even when they are open, they close pretty quick. Irritated skin stays with you longer than open pores, so it's better to avoid irritation. Use tepid water for showers, shaving, washing face, etc.

- Your problem might be shaving irritation as well. Shave using a thick lather (preferably with a shaving soap or foam or whatever with less chemicals), and shave USING COLD WATER. Using cold water keeps your stubble hair relatively normal, while hot water actually makes it weaker, making it more prone to being tugged on and not getting shaved as well, and again, hot water irritates your skin. Do you think shaving over irritated skin is a good idea? No, so shave with colder water.

- Shave using a razor with 3 or less blades. Ingrown hairs were my problem for the longest time, and this also helped solve the issue. You don't need 5 blades, and I read a whole article with citations to studies talking about how 2-3 blade razors causes less irritation, it was bookmarked on my computer that crashed, I backed up the data, but it's going to be hard to find. But yeah, 2-3 blades only. An example would be the Gillette Mach 3.

- Shave often, from once every day to once every two days (if your facial hair grows in but it's not enough to have a beard). I don't know why, but shaving more often than not seems to keep ingrown hairs at bay.

- Always moisturize after shaving, no matter your skin type. Do NOT use aftershave. Aftershave is an antiseptic (alcohol) meant to disinfect cuts and "reduce skin irritation." How on earth does an antiseptic reduce irritation? Does your skin feel less irritated after throwing rubbing alcohol on a cut? You don't need to disinfect your skin, and moisturizing your skin is a better way to go after shaving as that will keep irritation at bay. Irritation=acne.

- Stay AWAY from natural/home remedy treatments for now (bakingsoda/apple cider vinegar, honey bullshit, etc.). Don't fuck with them. I hear girls washing their hair with baking soda and apple cider vinegar, it is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of, and it damages your hair overtime. A lot of the anti-chemical rhetoric comes from this placebo based "medical condition" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_ ... ensitivity

- I am not saying to absolutely use chemicals nor to avoid natural remedies. I'm saying you need to figure out what's best for you, and the natural remedies section is not the best place to start for most people. Things like honey cinnamon masks, putting oil in your hair, etc. People think that chemicals are the problem, saying "Do you know they use that in car paint?" Fun fact, in order to create a normal bar of soap, you need to use "lye," which is a drain cleaner and can cause extreme chemical burns. But because of science, you put lye in with fat, and it creates soap. Even natural soaps use this.

- I still recommend using more natural based shit though, like glycerin soap, soaps without sodium sulfates, parabens, etc. Just do a google search of irritants in cosmetic products, you'll see what to avoid better than I can explain and list off the top of my head.

- Speaking of soap, I noticed you mentioned your arm and body acne. If the problem is that your skin is dry, moisturize these areas, you'll likely see a huge decrease in acne there. I had extreme acne on my back, turns out the problem was the area was too dry, I started moisturizing up back there, problem solved.

- If your body skin is irritated, I recommend trying out glycerin soaps, African Black Soap, maybe check out Vermont Soaps, Castile Soap. Soap bars tend to have less chemicals than liquid soaps from what I've seen.

- Use benzoyl peroxide gel or Retin A to spot treat acne (I recommend Retin A since it doesn't damage your skin, which I guess benzoyl peroxide does? I don't know as much here). You will need to be VERY careful about getting sunspots though with both. Both will make your skin sensitive to the sun and can cause hyper-pigmentation, or basically fucking up your skin. Wear a strong ass sunscreen, use Retin A/Benzoyl Peroxide gel ONLY at night, and make sure to lightly use water to clear it off in the morning. To give you confidence, I have been using Retin A for years now, I have 0 sunspots. If you end up using these, and follow the instructions here, you'll be fine:)

- Also, don't use Retin A or Benzoyl Peroxide in huge smears and quantities. It is not a lotion. Use only a tiny amount, smaller than a pea size, and dab it onto pimples. And maybe don't do this every night. Again, start less frequent (maybe once a week), and gradually increase and figure out the sweet spot of how often to use it.

- Take less showers. Generally a good rule of thumb, showering once every 2 days should benefit most people.

- Figure out if your home's water is soft or hard, and figure out how to change that (I believe there are filters for this, and you will have to see if hard or soft water is better for your skin.)

-Even if there aren't soft/hard water filters or changing that is too expensive, get a filter for your shower or faucets or whatever to filter out the chemicals in it.

- Finally, STOP touching your face throughout the day. Touching causes acne.


Wrapping Up:
Like I said, a lot of this is going to be experiment based, and I recommend trying one thing at a time (start with the tips that don't require you to buy stuff, like showering less, tepid water, etc.). It may take only 1-2 months to solve your problem, it may take 1 year. But doing something to change what isn't working is way better than just sitting there with the problem.

One point I can't stress enough: It all depends on what works for you. I knew a girl who washed her face with a standard Clean&Clear cleanser, ate sugary shit all the time, slept with her makeup on, every sin in the book, but her skin without makeup was still clean as hell. If using hard chemicals or inorganic shit works for you, I'm not going to tell you to stop. Do what works for you. This is just a general map with ideas of where to start.
Hey Fox, thank you so much for the information. I already started applying most of the tips you mentioned. About my sugar intake, it's definitely almost non-existent. I don't even eat processed stuff for most of the time (usually once every two weeks).

About shaving every day or every two days: that's what i've been doing for the past few months and i'm pretty convinced that it's making my skin very irritated, worsening my acne. I guess i'll try shaving every three days even though i'll look like a bum a little bit... at least for a while. Because i'm pretty sure that my porn addiction was the main culprit of my hormonal imbalances, resulting in ugly acne. I'm doing nofap (day 11)... and i'm already starting to notice less irritation and sensibity off my skin. So perhaps in a few weeks i'll be able to shave more often once again without getting nasty red bumps.

And since i read your post, i'm making a big effort to not touch my face at all. I'd say that 90% of the time i don't touch it anymore and it's also helping for sure :)

Chemicals are definitely not for me, i've experimented with them for a good while in my adolescence. I was using some African Black soap, it was very good. Unfortunately i've to import it, since i can't find it here.

Again, i really appreciate your time and effort to putting this up. It's really helping me.
Robster1919 said:
Alright lad - the advice given so far is stellar and will absolutely help you with getting rid of that acne, i'm 17 and still have quite a bit here and there on the ol' cheeks so going to give foxes advice a go as well.

You do, however, need a mindset refresh. Looks are looks. Will you get a better reception with better looks? Yes. Will it prevent you from getting hurt by rejection? No. You need to get rejected a lot until it doesn't sting, till it feels funny almost. Take a look at RSD Tyler, literally an old balding ginger who sleeps with sexy ass models. It's your vibe, your sexuality, your game. Start going out now regardless, you will never truly have the look you want - so start gamin' and working on the things you can change.

A girl told me two nights ago via text that my mate had told her, 'Rob's a really sexy guy, it's a shame about his looks'. I laughed so hard, the fact that I worked on something I could change and cared not about something I could not allowed me to be confident enough to totally turn this girl on again by not being deterred. So go do the same, have stunning game and a sexy-confident vibe and you should be Gucci ^^

Hopefully this helps!

- Rob
Thanks a lot Rob, very real stuff there. I'm only giving myself more excuses to not face rejection in my life... be it on seduction or anything else.

ray_zorse said:
Incredible post by Fox and lots of other great general advice, I am not an expert with acne (I had very noticeable acne in high school and would get new spots most days, some of them quite painful, but I never really made a serious effort to treat it and the problem resolved itself eventually, I still get a few spots a week as an adult but nothing too noticeable)... BUT I want to say that even the most frustrating and seemingly insurmountable problems can be cracked with research, better knowledge and determination. I want to share an example which is my hearing aids -- when I started seduction my aids would whistle every time I smiled and I would have to put my hands to my ears to push them back in... only alternative was to turn volume down but then I could not hear and both things were incredibly unsexy. People had been complaining about this since I was a teenager and I had just brushed it off as the limitations of the technology and just gone right ahead putting my aids on full volume and whistling all the time. But it just wasn't good enough for seduction. Well I spent fucking MONTHS scouring the web for information, reading scientific papers etc, I was willing to do anything, buy new hearing aids or even design or build something myself if it meant the feedback problem could be stopped. However the solution turned out to be pretty simple, after 5mth or so I discovered this new material which was a heat-softened memory foam that earmoulds could be made of, and not only that but it had been commercialized and was available as an off-the-shelf product that fitted my hearing aids and made the whole problem go away instantly. Truly the web is an amazing resource. There is sure to be a lot of bullshit information there about acne, but the knowledge you need to solve the problem is also there if you are determined enough to sort through it.
Ray
Hey Ray, long time no see! I remember you posting on a Journal of mine looong time ago, even though i haven't done shit yet lol. You on the other hand have improved incredibly well by reading your posts.
This is a inspiring story, thanks for sharing. Indeed, with enough determination i can filter good information on the web and sort this out, that is, if it doesn't get better soon, since i just began nofap.
 

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Not reading Fox's wall of text, but assuming he didn't mention it, the best way is Accutane.
Accutane is basically a super high dose of vitamin A. I know a LOT of people on acne.org have had success treating hormonal acne with about 100,000 IUs of Vitamin A per day, and no other changes.

Accutane is probably most effective, but I get the sense you're wanting a "natural" treatment, and megadosing Vitamin A for a few months is going to be your best bet on that front.
 

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Rodrigo-

Your acne sounds worse than any I've had. Though I've had pimples off and on forever (got a couple on my face right now, and I'm in my thirties).

When I was still pretty new there was a night I was set to go out, and that evening I looked in the mirror and discovered a big red zit had emerged from nowhere right smack on either my nose or my forehead (I think it was my forehead), and it looked absolutely horrific. And at first I said, "Ah, geez, I'm going to have to scrap tonight's outing."

And then I said, "You know what? Screw it. I'm going to go out and talk to girls and if they run screaming in the other direction because of my horrible zit, well, I guess it'll be funny."

So I went out, chatted girls up, got the exact same receptions I always did, and probably took a phone number or two. I don't remember the exact outcome of the evening, just that I remember heading back home saying, "Whoa, I thought a big ugly zit would at least make women less excited to meet me, but there was zero noticeable difference."

I've pulled girls with pimples on my face, made out with them, slept with them, etc. I have a bunch of pimple-looking scars on my shoulders left over from my early twenties that girls occasionally ask about and then don't care about anymore after I explain it.

Maybe another way to think about it: if you met a really pretty girl with a really attractive personality, but she had a few red pimples on her face, would you go, "Ew, no way"? Looks are more important to men than women, so if your answer is, "No, I'd still make out with her!" you can feel pretty sure it's the same the other way around too.

Chase
 
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