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We were about to go home together but she ejected last minute

barneystin

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I have an incoming LR from this night with another HB9 but this would have been my preferred one so I've been thinking hard trying to figure out where thing went wrong.

Fashion: colorful yellow shirt, unique colorful necklace with loafers and black denim pants. I've gotten a lot of compliments on this particular outfit especially because of the shirt and necklace. Wearing nice, unique pieces has been a great way for me to peacock (almost essential to my night game now) whenever I go out - i consistently get compliments from men and women, and some women use my outfits as an excuse to open me.

Venue: most clubs i know suck for dancing so it's always hard for me to enjoy myself and feel loose enough to approach but this place plays great dancing music from the 60s/70s and it's been really good for my state.

This girl was the first one I talked to that night. She was around my height (5'11 ish), ginger with bangs and a crazy body - an HB9 for sure. She had an interesting necklace as well so I opened with that asking if it was a locket (it wasn't). On the open, I noticed her body language was pretty open (smiling at me, making strong eye contact and reducing her attention radius). We then introduced ourselves and i did the handclasp which she held onto for a while, I knew it was game on from here. After building rapport and doing some cold reading (just fun light stuff, all of which took about 5 minutes), I noticed her looking at my lips and so I pulled her in for a make out.

She was with one other friend, which I thought would be trouble down the line, but her friend was pretty cool and spent most of the night talking to other people/guys. She was still worried about her friend so I made sure to keep an eye on her as well. After a while we separate and I go on to talk to other girls. In the mean time, I make out with another girl and give some walk-by compliments to girls I was interested in but didn't want to commit to at the moment. This way i had other options in-case my ginger hb9 fell through.

After talking to a bunch of other girls, I scan the club for my ginger girl and i spot her. She was dancing with her friend and some other randoms on an elevated platform. Her friend sees me first and taps her to point out that she just saw me. My girl looked a bit flustered and I re-opened:

Me: "I lost you for a second there"
Her: "Yeah, I had to go with my friend for a bit. Just dancing with the girls now"
Me: "Ah, so it's girls night now?"
Her: "Yes!"
Me (i was thinking about ejecting for a bit to give her some space with her friend but her body language was too open so i decided to stay): "come down from the platform"
Her (steps down to join me): "i'm here"

At this point I take her hand and we start dancing. I've got my right thigh in between her legs to stimulate her in that region and we make out a couple times. I wanted to get her really horny and then go for the extraction so I tried to get some more mutual escalation.

I grabbed her left hand and put it under my shirt. She comments: "oh wow you have muscles underneath that shirt" (my shirt was baggy which hides my physique)
Me: "well there's a lot of other good things under that shirt"
She laughs and we continue escalating on each other. She's rubbing my abs and back under my shirt and I've got my hands on her ass and waist. We're making some small convo in between all of this as well.

I decide it's time to go for the pull so I mention that there's a quieter, chill bar near by that we should check out since it's getting loud. She mentions that she can't leave because she has to take care of her friend. I had my friends with me and one of them could have talked to her friend but i still felt i could handle it all by myself.

I escalate even further and try to set some helpful anti-ASD frames verbally and test her receptiveness to some sex talk:
Me: "You know what i love about you?"
Her: "what?" (smiling)
Me: "you're pretty nerdy and sweet but you also have a hint of a wild side"
Her, laughs: "how do you know that?"
Me, laughing as well: "I can just tell, and i love it"

She laughs, gives me a compliment as well and I attempt to go for the pull again.
She says "I really want to go but my friend comes first"
I ask if she wanted to go to the bathroom to which she laughs and says "no, we're not doing anything in there!"

I then pivot the conversation to asking her about the wildest places she's ever had sex and what her fantasies were. We exchange this information and the vibe is seeming a bit more positive and in my favor now. She was initially shy about divulging these details to her so I had to open up first before she felt comfortable enough to do it. At this point, her friend had left the club to go for a smoke outside. I then used a barrier to try to go for the pull:

Me: "The things i would do to you, it's a shame we can't leave here unfortunately"
Her (stops to think for a second): "let me go talk to my friend and find out where she'll stay tonight"

Bingo!

At this point, i think it's in the bag so I let her go out to talk to her friend. She's talking to her friend for a good 5-10 minutes and at some point, I step outside because I thought she left. While I was outside, I saw another girl with really curly beautiful hair and compliment her on it. She compliments my necklace and says "I'll see you inside" while maintaining eye contact as she walks into the club. "Backup plan!", I think.

I find my girl still talking to her friend and her friend was fine with her leaving with me while she goes somewhere else. My girl says she only wants to go to her place which works for me so she orders an uber. All of a sudden, while we're waiting for the uber, she's suddenly worried about her friend even though her friend was insisting that she was fine. At this point, her friend was on my side and wanted her to go with me but my girl changes tunes and says that she wants to go home by herself tonight. I was in shock because I had no idea what just happened. Her friend literally pulled her to the side to convince her to go with me but she was set on going home alone.

At this point, their uber comes and they leave. I still end up having a great night but I'm just curious on what happened here. She was fully into me while we were inside the club. I think i didn't build up a solid floor so after the arousal from the club environment and physical escalation went away, she probably thought "wait i don't actually know this guy". We had some conversation inside the club but it was too loud for anything meaningful. I probably should have just pulled her to a quieter bar to build up that floor so she had something concrete to fall onto. Any thoughts?
 

Skills

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she had a stage change, you needed more comfort, second gen... But this happens:


 
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Bismarck

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Sounds like FSC, but I may be KJ'ing as I'm no NG hound...to my eyes, it was too much too fast (without connection, comfort, blablabla) but again could be KJ as uber-fast pulls are also possible in NG.
 

Will_V

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I have an incoming LR from this night with another HB9 but this would have been my preferred one so I've been thinking hard trying to figure out where thing went wrong.

Fashion: colorful yellow shirt, unique colorful necklace with loafers and black denim pants. I've gotten a lot of compliments on this particular outfit especially because of the shirt and necklace. Wearing nice, unique pieces has been a great way for me to peacock (almost essential to my night game now) whenever I go out - i consistently get compliments from men and women, and some women use my outfits as an excuse to open me.

Venue: most clubs i know suck for dancing so it's always hard for me to enjoy myself and feel loose enough to approach but this place plays great dancing music from the 60s/70s and it's been really good for my state.

This girl was the first one I talked to that night. She was around my height (5'11 ish), ginger with bangs and a crazy body - an HB9 for sure. She had an interesting necklace as well so I opened with that asking if it was a locket (it wasn't). On the open, I noticed her body language was pretty open (smiling at me, making strong eye contact and reducing her attention radius). We then introduced ourselves and i did the handclasp which she held onto for a while, I knew it was game on from here. After building rapport and doing some cold reading (just fun light stuff, all of which took about 5 minutes), I noticed her looking at my lips and so I pulled her in for a make out.

She was with one other friend, which I thought would be trouble down the line, but her friend was pretty cool and spent most of the night talking to other people/guys. She was still worried about her friend so I made sure to keep an eye on her as well. After a while we separate and I go on to talk to other girls. In the mean time, I make out with another girl and give some walk-by compliments to girls I was interested in but didn't want to commit to at the moment. This way i had other options in-case my ginger hb9 fell through.

After talking to a bunch of other girls, I scan the club for my ginger girl and i spot her. She was dancing with her friend and some other randoms on an elevated platform. Her friend sees me first and taps her to point out that she just saw me. My girl looked a bit flustered and I re-opened:

Me: "I lost you for a second there"
Her: "Yeah, I had to go with my friend for a bit. Just dancing with the girls now"
Me: "Ah, so it's girls night now?"
Her: "Yes!"
Me (i was thinking about ejecting for a bit to give her some space with her friend but her body language was too open so i decided to stay): "come down from the platform"
Her (steps down to join me): "i'm here"

At this point I take her hand and we start dancing. I've got my right thigh in between her legs to stimulate her in that region and we make out a couple times. I wanted to get her really horny and then go for the extraction so I tried to get some more mutual escalation.

I grabbed her left hand and put it under my shirt. She comments: "oh wow you have muscles underneath that shirt" (my shirt was baggy which hides my physique)
Me: "well there's a lot of other good things under that shirt"
She laughs and we continue escalating on each other. She's rubbing my abs and back under my shirt and I've got my hands on her ass and waist. We're making some small convo in between all of this as well.

I decide it's time to go for the pull so I mention that there's a quieter, chill bar near by that we should check out since it's getting loud. She mentions that she can't leave because she has to take care of her friend. I had my friends with me and one of them could have talked to her friend but i still felt i could handle it all by myself.

I escalate even further and try to set some helpful anti-ASD frames verbally and test her receptiveness to some sex talk:
Me: "You know what i love about you?"
Her: "what?" (smiling)
Me: "you're pretty nerdy and sweet but you also have a hint of a wild side"
Her, laughs: "how do you know that?"
Me, laughing as well: "I can just tell, and i love it"

She laughs, gives me a compliment as well and I attempt to go for the pull again.
She says "I really want to go but my friend comes first"
I ask if she wanted to go to the bathroom to which she laughs and says "no, we're not doing anything in there!"

I then pivot the conversation to asking her about the wildest places she's ever had sex and what her fantasies were. We exchange this information and the vibe is seeming a bit more positive and in my favor now. She was initially shy about divulging these details to her so I had to open up first before she felt comfortable enough to do it. At this point, her friend had left the club to go for a smoke outside. I then used a barrier to try to go for the pull:

Me: "The things i would do to you, it's a shame we can't leave here unfortunately"
Her (stops to think for a second): "let me go talk to my friend and find out where she'll stay tonight"

Bingo!

At this point, i think it's in the bag so I let her go out to talk to her friend. She's talking to her friend for a good 5-10 minutes and at some point, I step outside because I thought she left. While I was outside, I saw another girl with really curly beautiful hair and compliment her on it. She compliments my necklace and says "I'll see you inside" while maintaining eye contact as she walks into the club. "Backup plan!", I think.

I find my girl still talking to her friend and her friend was fine with her leaving with me while she goes somewhere else. My girl says she only wants to go to her place which works for me so she orders an uber. All of a sudden, while we're waiting for the uber, she's suddenly worried about her friend even though her friend was insisting that she was fine. At this point, her friend was on my side and wanted her to go with me but my girl changes tunes and says that she wants to go home by herself tonight. I was in shock because I had no idea what just happened. Her friend literally pulled her to the side to convince her to go with me but she was set on going home alone.

At this point, their uber comes and they leave. I still end up having a great night but I'm just curious on what happened here. She was fully into me while we were inside the club. I think i didn't build up a solid floor so after the arousal from the club environment and physical escalation went away, she probably thought "wait i don't actually know this guy". We had some conversation inside the club but it was too loud for anything meaningful. I probably should have just pulled her to a quieter bar to build up that floor so she had something concrete to fall onto. Any thoughts?

Like Skills and Bismarck said, she needed to feel more comfortable that she wasn't just going to be your one-and-done sexual conquest that night.

Rapport, connection, qualifying her, all these things give her more of a sense of 'we're in this together' rather than 'you just want my body'. Instead everything here seemed to be pretty explicitly about sex.

You also stimulated her a lot - multiple makeouts and pussy rubbing - and it sounds like her buying temperature crashed at some point after that and left her cold.

This is the equivalent of yanking a plane up into the air before it has enough airspeed - it goes up fast for a few feet and then comes crashing back down. Instead you want to build up enough momentum that she's just waiting for a gentle pull so she can say yes.
 

KJ Francis

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Skills do you have a link or tips to how you build rapport/comfort in night game?

I believe Chase deep dives at night (w/ intermittent teasing and chase frames)... But maybe more lounge game than club game. Mystery sits and does shared life stories but he plays "love game" to make her his girlfriend... Even his escalation at home uses evidence of pair bond, romantic couple anchors, etc.

Curious how you accomplish the trust if not getting to know her on a deep personal level (WIA keeps it light/fun and uses his touch-and-go for example. This LR has a bit of that too)
 

KJ Francis

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Should add to the menu for barney too Teevster has sexual comfort gambits and this is his current focus for developing more next
 

KJ Francis

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She was still worried about her friend so I made sure to keep an eye on her as well. After a while we separate and I go on to talk to other girls. In the mean time, I make out with another girl
Curious what was the dialogue at "After a while we separate"?
 

Chase

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@barneystin,

Good attempt at a quick arousal-focused pull. Like the other guys mentioned, you spiked her arousal but she had a state crash and backed out (female state control).

A few remarks:

After building rapport and doing some cold reading (just fun light stuff, all of which took about 5 minutes), I noticed her looking at my lips and so I pulled her in for a make out.

Rapid make-outs are lots of fun.

In my experience they usually mean the girl will NOT come home with you later, because now she knows what it means (i.e., "We are going to fuck" / "He is going to expect me to fuck").

If you want to do these there's a bit of an art to it:


I don't know if you do them a lot, but if not, or if you do and girls often bail, you may find your close rate goes up by switching to making out at home (or at least waiting until you are mid-pull).

Her friend sees me first and taps her to point out that she just saw me. My girl looked a bit flustered and I re-opened:

"Flustered" usually indicates she is feeling indecisive about you.

Attracted + unsure, basically.

Me: "I lost you for a second there"
Her: "Yeah, I had to go with my friend for a bit. Just dancing with the girls now"

If she's more primed to see you usually she will reciprocate:

e.g., "I was looking for you!", "I'm so happy you found me!", "I was waiting for you!" etc.

The response here says she still has her guard up.

Me: "Ah, so it's girls night now?"
Her: "Yes!"
Me (i was thinking about ejecting for a bit to give her some space with her friend but her body language was too open so i decided to stay): "come down from the platform"
Her (steps down to join me): "i'm here"

At this point I take her hand and we start dancing. I've got my right thigh in between her legs to stimulate her in that region and we make out a couple times. I wanted to get her really horny and then go for the extraction so I tried to get some more mutual escalation.

Right now she is complying because the club environment is "safe."

She can go so far with a sexy guy like you, without having to worry about it going all the way.

I grabbed her left hand and put it under my shirt. She comments: "oh wow you have muscles underneath that shirt" (my shirt was baggy which hides my physique)

This is another "kind of neutral" comment (like the "Just dancing with the girls now" one).

You really want something like "You feel so big/strong" or "I love your chest" or just her squeezing you and smirking without saying anything.

She is still feeling guarded.

Me: "well there's a lot of other good things under that shirt"
She laughs and we continue escalating on each other. She's rubbing my abs and back under my shirt and I've got my hands on her ass and waist. We're making some small convo in between all of this as well.

I decide it's time to go for the pull so I mention that there's a quieter, chill bar near by that we should check out since it's getting loud. She mentions that she can't leave because she has to take care of her friend. I had my friends with me and one of them could have talked to her friend but i still felt i could handle it all by myself.

She's having fun, but using the friends as an excuse to prevent it going further.

I escalate even further and try to set some helpful anti-ASD frames verbally and test her receptiveness to some sex talk:
Me: "You know what i love about you?"
Her: "what?" (smiling)
Me: "you're pretty nerdy and sweet but you also have a hint of a wild side"
Her, laughs: "how do you know that?"
Me, laughing as well: "I can just tell, and i love it"

She laughs, gives me a compliment as well and I attempt to go for the pull again.
She says "I really want to go but my friend comes first"
I ask if she wanted to go to the bathroom to which she laughs and says "no, we're not doing anything in there!"

Having fun but using the friend as the barrier; then rejecting the bathroom outright when she can't use the friend.

I then pivot the conversation to asking her about the wildest places she's ever had sex and what her fantasies were. We exchange this information and the vibe is seeming a bit more positive and in my favor now. She was initially shy about divulging these details to her so I had to open up first before she felt comfortable enough to do it.

Well, the problem here is that you already have plenty of arousal.

You do not need to spike arousal even higher. The arousal is fine.

The issues is the lack of trust (comfort, attitude-similarity, etc.).

Building more arousal will not fix this.

At this point, her friend had left the club to go for a smoke outside. I then used a barrier to try to go for the pull:

Me: "The things i would do to you, it's a shame we can't leave here unfortunately"
Her (stops to think for a second): "let me go talk to my friend and find out where she'll stay tonight"

Bingo!

Well, you've got her thinking about it.

However, she is still using the friend as a fence. Notice it is not "let me make sure my friend gets back okay" (green light) but "let me find out stuff from my friend then make a decision from there" (she is weighing a decision -- which usually is not going to go your way if she has to leave the venue and include someone else).

You needed to go with her here.

When she says she needs to go talk to her friend, YOU SAY, "Cool; let's go," then lead the way to the friend. That way you are still in charge and you don't leave her side for her to have her emotions trough back down.

At this point, i think it's in the bag so I let her go out to talk to her friend. She's talking to her friend for a good 5-10 minutes and at some point, I step outside because I thought she left.

Yeah, it's bad; leaving the venue is a transition point. All the emotions she was feeling inside calm down, especially if you are not there with her to keep her emotions up.

At that point, you are relying on how much trust and connection you have built -- and you have not built much.

I find my girl still talking to her friend and her friend was fine with her leaving with me while she goes somewhere else. My girl says she only wants to go to her place which works for me so she orders an uber. All of a sudden, while we're waiting for the uber, she's suddenly worried about her friend even though her friend was insisting that she was fine. At this point, her friend was on my side and wanted her to go with me but my girl changes tunes and says that she wants to go home by herself tonight. I was in shock because I had no idea what just happened. Her friend literally pulled her to the side to convince her to go with me but she was set on going home alone.

She used the friend as the excuse.

The friend seems a little slow on the uptake, lol.

Either that or the friend is the sluttier one who has been encouraging her to "loosen up more", etc. Probably (sounds like the friend was hunting for guys herself all night). Friend wanted her to get laid with a sexy new guy but the girl herself got cold feet.

At this point, their uber comes and they leave. I still end up having a great night but I'm just curious on what happened here. She was fully into me while we were inside the club. I think i didn't build up a solid floor so after the arousal from the club environment and physical escalation went away, she probably thought "wait i don't actually know this guy". We had some conversation inside the club but it was too loud for anything meaningful. I probably should have just pulled her to a quieter bar to build up that floor so she had something concrete to fall onto. Any thoughts?

What happened was you spiked her arousal too high without also building trust.

At multiple points, her arousal hit a ceiling and crashed into a trough:

  • Following the make-out (you don't say why you separated, but going from "staring at each other and making out" to "okay well see you later" is a pretty big dip)

  • Feeling each other up and sex talking with her rejecting pulls / bathroom pulls, then running off after the barrier to "find out where my friend is staying" (then just staying outside rather than running back in to check on you -- girls have an internal clock; if they're away from a guy they want to pull for too long, they will go looking for him to not lose him... 5-10 minutes confabulating with her GF is too long)

  • Then finally a smaller arousal crash when she was debating going home with you (friend was probably pushing her to) but finally declared she wasn't and forced the friend to go home together with her

You were the "harmless fun sexy guy to make out and flirt with at a night at the club without actually doing anything TOO naughty" for the ginger girl. If you want to avoid that in the future:

  • Resist the urge to make-out in nightclubs. Save it for at home.

  • Resist the urge to get girls feeling you up in nightclubs. Save it for at home too.

  • Isolate girls it's going well with and deep dive them for a bit, elicit values, and establish some attitude-similarity.

  • Pay very careful to signs she feels flustered, guarded, distrustful, etc. -- and any time you see those, build MORE similarity!

  • Finally, do not let girls ditch during decision points. If she is making a decision, make sure you are with her -- lead her through it and stay with her so you can manage her emotions while she decides.

Also, for understanding these emotional crests/spikes and troughs/crashes, I recommend you read this article:


You've got the arousal down pat!

Compliance also looks good!

You just need to do a better job connecting with girls, building rapport, establishing that foundation of trust and connection, so you can maintain emotions through transition points and aren't running into girls keeping their walls up around you.

Chase
 
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