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Ratata · Saturday at 10:55 PM

KnownUniverse said:
Yeah i'm not sure on that myth. There seems to be a lot of theories that don't match reality when it comes to dating. Like the idea that being a health obsessed gym addict with a stable career is sexually attractive when in reality the substance abusing rock star type that can't bench 60pounds is the guy most women end up fucking not the gym nerd.

Let's address some of these myths.

A drug addict rock star offers drama, and women are addicted to it. Meanwhile, a rock star has fame, which women are also addicted to. With that said, healthy women will be attracted to healthy men. Gym nerds tend to attract other gym nerds. There are winners and losers within all categories. I know quite famous musicians that can't get laid to save their life.

KnownUniverse said:
I've heard the fix for flakey girls is banging them asap so she becomes invested. That means going for same day or same night lay.

This is to a large extent true. Or rather, you have a window of opportunity, and if you don't go through that window when offered it, you will almost never get another opportunity. Unless you're great at creating tension...

KnownUniverse said:
The other fix I've seen is gaming girls who are on holiday. She has no other people or life events to distract her so when you text her you'll still have all her attention and she's likely to commit to a date.

This is both true and a crutch at the same time. Or, well, if all you like are fast lays and zero-attachment sex (a.k.a. the meaningless sex we all know and love), then by all means go for this. If you like more of the "girlfriend experience" (lol), then this might still feel unfulfilling.

A friend of mine used to linger at the fountain in my home town, and fake a Scottish accent while pretending to be lost. Worked every time. I'd often find him surrounded by hot girls on weekends lol. But he told me it sucked if he forgot to fake the accent the next day, and instead spoke the local language lol. Never had the balls to do this myself tho. I don't like acting.

average_daygamer · Sunday at 2:40 PM

HeartOfChaos said:
Did you try any sort of physical escalation?

If she is not keep your eye contact but keeps "darting around" then it's an indicator she is not really interested. Vast majority of the girls I fucked gave me various strong non verbal indicators of interest, including a certain way of looking at me, and positioning their body in close proximity to mine. This tends to happen instinctively with women who are very disposed towards you.

Not always, of course. But these are indicators you should watch out for.

To go out on a limb a bit here, I think that all these girls that you are getting numbers of, were never deeply interested from the get go.

And of course, the attention span of girls is shorter and shorter nowdays, with the abundance of apps and social media making it harder. So if they were attracted, their attraction was fleeting and dissipated soon after you parted ways.

I wish Cobi was still around. I'd have been interested what would he have said to you.

That's pretty galling to read, HeartofChaos.

If the tiny fraction of girls who I manage to number close were never really interested, then what hope do I have?

Ratata · Sunday at 9:10 PM

average_daygamer said:
That's pretty galling to read, HeartofChaos.

If the tiny fraction of girls who I manage to number close were never really interested, then what hope do I have?

Honestly, you're asking the wrong question.

The question you should ask yourself is; how can you create enough attraction so as to not even have to ask for her number?

The right question to ask yourself is this: How should you behave so she'll want to see you again, and not use a "numberclose" to get rid of you?

My guess is that you're too eager to get the number, and too impatient to stay in the set and do the things that are necessary to get her to actually want to see you again, regardless of you getting her details or not. So, when you get that number, you instead get a false sense of a "win" ... until reality slaps you in the face and she flakes, or ghosts you - or worst of all - indefinitely uses you for attention or validation whoring without a single shred of intent to ever see you in person. Women will do that, you know.

The number, or IG details, isn't important at all. The question is, does she want to see you again? If so, then the details become irrelevant; just a means to an end. Most newbies fuck up by taking her details way too soon. This is why I advice asking if she wants to see you again, instead of asking for the number. Because if she does want to see you again, then the number will be just an afterthought.

So, to answer your question directly; what hope do you have? Well, my hope is that you keep working on your attraction game, your staying-power game, and your escalating-of-sexual-tension game, so she'll want to see you again ... so much that you no longer have to ask her for her deets ever again. I want you to get so good, that if she says yes to see you again, then she'll be the one number-closing you!

average_daygamer · Sunday at 10:01 PM

Ratata said:
Honestly, you're asking the wrong question.

The question you should ask yourself is; how can you create enough attraction so as to not even have to ask for her number?

The right question to ask yourself is this: How should you behave so she'll want to see you again, and not use a "numberclose" to get rid of you?

My guess is that you're too eager to get the number, and too impatient to stay in the set and do the things that are necessary to get her to actually want to see you again, regardless of you getting her details or not. So, when you get that number, you instead get a false sense of a "win" ... until reality slaps you in the face and she flakes, or ghosts you - or worst of all - indefinitely uses you for attention or validation whoring without a single shred of intent to ever see you in person. Women will do that, you know.

The number, or IG details, isn't important at all. The question is, does she want to see you again? If so, then the details become irrelevant; just a means to an end. Most newbies fuck up by taking her details way too soon. This is why I advice asking if she wants to see you again, instead of asking for the number. Because if she does want to see you again, then the number will be just an afterthought.

So, to answer your question directly; what hope do you have? Well, my hope is that you keep working on your attraction game, your staying-power game, and your escalating-of-sexual-tension game, so she'll want to see you again ... so much that you no longer have to ask her for her deets ever again. I want you to get so good, that if she says yes to see you again, then she'll be the one number-closing you!

So what is the difference between a girl who blows you out and one that stops and chats for 10 minutes if both aren't interested?

Oh, I have done what you are suggesting before as well. I only go for the number after suggesting an insta date and seeding a preplanned date.

It's not some magic formula, it just reduces chances of any follow up if the girl is unsure

Ratata · Sunday at 10:12 PM

average_daygamer said:
But the age gap suspicion is concerning.

I am just not seeing the reality of this "mid 30s Smv boost" that so many coaches and random posters online claim.

I date 20-somethings as a 48 year old.

The mid 30's SMV boost is real and only gets realer with time. From there on, just keep in shape, and keep meeting girls. Some will test you on it, if you're too forward too soon. And some have clear preferences you can't do dick about. But some have preferences for older men... And that's your sweet spot.

When I hit 30, I'd been doing PU for over half a decade. Do you think I suddenly got worse at game by 30? xD But here's the good part: Neither will you!

It was never easier than when I hit 30+. But it also bored me, and I wanted something "real" by then. So, I ended up settling down for a fairly long while. I got complacent, and truly thought women would continue to just magically appear in my life without me doing anything. It truly felt like when I was at the top of my game - like, I didn't have to work for it anymore, or it sure felt like it). But thank god then I snapped out of it, and found my way back to this forum! xD

average_daygamer said:
So what is the difference between a girl who blows you out and one that stops and chats for 10 minutes if both aren't interested?

Oh, I have done what you are suggesting before as well. I only go for the number after suggesting an insta date and seeding a preplanned date.

It's not some magic formula, it just reduces chances of any follow up if the girl is unsure

Man, I wish I knew! xD Women are validation whores. They meet a guy who seems a bit mysterious, a bit handsome, or weird, and they'll shoot the shit with you cuz ... cuz exciting, that's why! Doesn't mean they want to ever see you again. There's like a gazillion reasons, so you just gotta keep doing it until it clicks.

Anyway, if you're doing this the way you explained, then it's just a question of time before you get really smooth at it. While doing it, you'll also get better at reading her interest level, and how to boost it. How to cut through her bs, get some real compliance. Instead of the weak compliance I'm kind of sensing that you're getting now - because I'm guessing your weak and unsure when you perform these things. But it'll improve, I promise! Like, have you ever learned something, and gotten really confident at it? Same thing with applying new techniques. At first, do it like a slave. Always do it. Until ti becomes either completely boring or second nature. THen spice it up. Do something different, if only to amuse yourself. Then watch it work.

But thank god it's not magic dude! Man, if it was magic, I'd just put a spell on you, and you'd live out your life as a millionaire getting laid on your private jet every day, in the pool, in the Hollywood Hills, while driving a Lambo, while eating your face full of Dubai chocolate. Hey, f that, I'd put that spell on myself and hire a private PT dude so I don't get fat from eating all that Dubai choc!

KnownUniverse · Monday at 5:20 AM

Ratata said:
The mid 30's SMV boost is real and only gets realer with time. From there on, just keep in shape, and keep meeting girls. Some will test you on it, if you're too forward too soon. And some have clear preferences you can't do dick about. But some have preferences for older men... And that's your sweet spot.

In what way is it real? Is less effort required to hook when you're in your mid 30s than when you're in your mid 20s? That would mean guys like @average_daygamer would notice better results now than when he was young despite not developing better dating skills - women should just naturally make it easier for him to pull them because his attractiveness has increased with age alone. He is not finding that to be the case.

The 30+ smv boost theory sets unreal expectations. I would say the margin for error gets narrower the wider the age gap. Your game has to become very very tight to pull girls half your age without utilizing wealth or status as a crutch.

average_daygamer · Monday at 5:23 PM

KnownUniverse said:
In what way is it real? Is less effort required to hook when you're in your mid 30s than when you're in your mid 20s? That would mean guys like @average_daygamer would notice better results now than when he was young despite not developing better dating skills - women should just naturally make it easier for him to pull them because his attractiveness has increased with age alone. He is not finding that to be the case.

The 30+ smv boost theory sets unreal expectations. I would say the margin for error gets narrower the wider the age gap. Your game has to become very very tight to pull girls half your age without utilizing wealth or status as a crutch.

I can maybe imagine it working in very specific circumstances for a specific type of guy.

For instance, someone who has been successful in their career, a certain look like Italian with slicked back hair, gym maxed wearing an unbuttoned shirt and a big expensive watch. They will probably feel quite good about themselves and quite "high value" in an almost arrogant way. Maybe to a materialistic 18-22 year old girl that might be appealing.

But for an average guy, who got a late start and has no experience, I just can't see it.

HeartOfChaos · Monday at 8:56 PM

average_daygamer said:
So what is the difference between a girl who blows you out and one that stops and chats for 10 minutes if both aren't interested?

That they are different human beings? That one might be in a bad mood, the other in a good mood?

Let alone that there are different levels of interest in the first place, as Ratata alluded to...

The easiest "fix" would be to max out your looks, sense of fashion and smooth out your behaviour approach patterns, as they seem extremely uncalibrated based on the reactions you get from passers by and other people. And then simply seek out girls (that's the hard part) who have a natural chemistry with you from the get go and ride this natural wave of chemistry.

G_shp · 2025-10-29T07:16:27+0000

average_daygamer said:
Well, she never replied to my opener. That's 4 non replies in a row, now. It's so very odd. I would say it was a solid interaction, I was expecting some kind of reply. I'm not sure what the point of all this is

average_daygamer said:

Well, she never replied to my opener. That's 4 non replies in a row, now. It's so very odd. I would say it was a solid interaction, I was expecting some kind of reply. I'm not sure what the point of all this is!

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How long (may hours) after getting her number have you texted this girl ? I noticed that this plays an important role in getting success with girls. I also got 6 or 7 numbers and did not get replies to about 3.How fast you text her is important, just look at it from a winning perspective rather than from a winning perspective, you realize that if the girl was very interested and not disinterested, that she would instead be waiting for your text rather than not care about it. Now imagine someone whom you like takes a while to text you whilst you sit there and wait for them,you're not gonna like it too much I guess, right ? Well now imagine that a much more soft, weaker and more sensitive creature had to wait in that position ? Well her brain would probablyovercook whilst waiting for you and she'll just move on considering it's a loss, by the time you text it's already late.That's what Chase meant on this website by saying "attraction has an expiration date". I actually discuss this phenomenon more in depth and share my own experience in a post. Unfortunately it appears in the community section rather than the advanced section where that post would should most likely belong in (but then again I lost access to my old account of years ago and this new one doesn't allow me to post in certain sections yet).

Here is the link to it, so you can see my own experience:

https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...et-girls-no-prior-exposure.31556/#post-201150

I'll definitely follow your activity because I do the exact same thing as you and go around campus finding girls. That being said lately I've been living in Paris (and will still be living there for some time) so I can make a lot of encounters off the streets.

It is also to understand that girls are the weaker element in the relationship. They want the man to be a man and do the man's job. Girl want you to not be insecure and worry about why she hasn't replied. She wants you to do the man's job. You'll be shocked to what extent this is the case. Just type in google "why isn't he..."
and see what results come up, "why doesn;t he chase harder", "why doesn't he text but always reply", "why doesn;t he respond faster..."

These are literally the first things that come up, this means that this is what thousands if not millions of girls are searching for the most with these keywords. Now after discovering this, do you still think a man-woman relationship is balanced 50/50 or 60/40, no it's 70/30 or 80/20 on the side of the man. Girls want to be feminine and not want to do anything, they just want to be desired and be passive. And many of these girls just end up thinking that if you don't chase hard enough that means you're not that interested... you should definitely send more than just hi. You're the guy in that interaction, you have more testosterone than her, you should desire her. You should initiate contact beyond just saying it was nice meeting her. Maybe it was, then what ? She expects you to make it happen...

That being said, given that you have a certain statistic, a certain data and experience speaking with girls in real life, I suggest you check my post as well and share your experience in terms of numbers. My analysis is almost scientific, I have literally broken it down to numbers. So anyway, that is something that may help you, as you actually went out and spoke to them girls and asked them in their face.

Many people here have "more advanced profiles" but they initiate much less and don't even have the data you have. You're much more pro-active as I see. So your data would definitely be welcome so that we can further analyzed it from the point of view of the question asked on the other post.

average_daygamer · 2025-10-29T08:49:47+0000

G_shp said:
How long (may hours) after getting her number have you texted this girl ? I noticed that this plays an important role in getting success with girls. I also got 6 or 7 numbers and did not get replies to about 3.How fast you text her is important, just look at it from a winning perspective rather than from a winning perspective, you realize that if the girl was very interested and not disinterested, that she would instead be waiting for your text rather than not care about it. Now imagine someone whom you like takes a while to text you whilst you sit there and wait for them,you're not gonna like it too much I guess, right ? Well now imagine that a much more soft, weaker and more sensitive creature had to wait in that position ? Well her brain would probablyovercook whilst waiting for you and she'll just move on considering it's a loss, by the time you text it's already late.That's what Chase meant on this website by saying "attraction has an expiration date". I actually discuss this phenomenon more in depth and share my own experience in a post. Unfortunately it appears in the community section rather than the advanced section where that post would should most likely belong in (but then again I lost access to my old account of years ago and this new one doesn't allow me to post in certain sections yet).

I'll definitely follow your activity because I do the exact same thing as you and go around campus finding girls. That being said lately I've been living in Paris (and will still be living there for some time) so I can make a lot of encounters off the streets.

It is also to understand that girls are the weaker element in the relationship. They want the man to be a man and do the man's job. Girl want you to not be insecure and worry about why she hasn't replied. She wants you to do the man's job. You'll be shocked to what extent this is the case. Just type in google "why isn't he..."
and see what results come up, "why doesn;t he chase harder", "why doesn't he text but always reply", "why doesn;t he respond faster..."

These are literally the first things that come up, this means that this is what thousands if not millions of girls are searching for the most with these keywords. Now after discovering this, do you still think a man-woman relationship is balanced 50/50 or 60/40, no it's 70/30 or 80/20 on the side of the man. Girls want to be feminine and not want to do anything, they just want to be desired and be passive. And many of these girls just end up thinking that if you don't chase hard enough that means you're not that interested... you should definitely send more than just hi. You're the guy in that interaction, you have more testosterone than her, you should desire her. You should initiate contact beyond just saying it was nice meeting her. Maybe it was, then what ? She expects you to make it happen...

That being said, given that you have a certain statistic, a certain data and experience speaking with girls in real life, I suggest you check my post as well and share your experience in terms of numbers. My analysis is almost scientific, I have literally broken it down to numbers. So anyway, that is something that may help you, as you actually went out and spoke to them girls and asked them in their face.

Many people here have "more advanced profiles" but they initiate much less and don't even have the data you have. You're much more pro-active as I see. So your data would definitely be welcome so that we can further analyzed it from the point of view of the question asked on the other post.

Hey thanks. The main thing I got from your post was "how long do you leave it before you text girls".

Yo answer that question, I normally approach in the day 12-3 and text in the evening 7pm onwards.

The reason I do that is because it feels more seductive to text them later on and also feels more high value rather than excitedly texting them within a couple of hours.

KnownUniverse · 2025-10-30T03:31:57+0000

G_shp said:
It is also to understand that girls are the weaker element in the relationship. They want the man to be a man and do the man's job. Girl want you to not be insecure and worry about why she hasn't replied. She wants you to do the man's job.

I dont think it's a man/woman thing i think it's a looks/league thing. If the girl you approach is in your "league" she will come closer to meeting you half way and putting equal effort in to developing the relationship. It's only when dealing with women that wouldn't typically date you that you have to carry the entire interaction all the way to the bedroom.

That's why i say as your looks decline your game has to increase to compensate.

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