3 Months of Coaching With Hector and Counting..

[rickpage]

Hey everybody,

This is my first time posting on the forums. I usually lurk on the main website. But I wanted to post about my experiences with Hector’s coaching so far.
I’m from Scandinavia. Viking country (and that’s what Hector keeps insisting I turn myself into).
I was pretty good with girls before I signed up with Hector (~30 lays). I was consistently getting laid, but I felt stuck in my social circles. Like no matter what I did, the top guys wouldn’t respect me and the hottest girls felt just within my grasp (part of it was me putting them on a pedestal; Hector pointed out that given my stories, thy actually gave me a lot of shots with them).
That’s where we started. Social circle game. Hector taught me how to befriend the coolest guys, win their respect, and also properly deal with disrespect when someone tried to tool me (happened a lot more than I realized). I kept getting laid, but it was my interactions with the cooler, hotter girls that were my focus. As I started spending more time with the Alphas in my social circles, I noticed that the girls I once considered just out of my league were paying me more attention and even chasing me at times. I’d sort of naturally did this already, but now it was happening more and I was becoming aware of it.

Eventually, my mind started to be “on fire” as I explained to Hector. He was pointing out every little social nuance in my interactions, even if he wasn’t there; he knew socializing that well that I could give him a rough story and he knew exactly what was going on. It was the smallest things that I didn’t pick up on that he showed were actually big deals.
As we neared the end of our first 3 months of coaching, I felt different. I didn’t really care about my rank in social circles all that much. Hector actually laughed and told me that he knew that was going to happen, but couldn’t tell me that in the beginning. He needed me to see for myself what it’s like to be at the top and why it doesn’t matter. It has to be experienced; it can’t be explained.
I’m still involved in these social circles, but now I’m more focused on day game and finding a girlfriend, since my main priority is my profession, not girls. Which is what makes the coaching so valuable. He cuts my learning curve by multiples that I can’t really explain.
I signed up for another 3 months with Hector to focus on day game and finding a girlfriend and we’re having a blast. I think that’s the best part, too. He’s fun to talk to and is always there to motivate me.

Hope this reaches some guys who are looking for a boost in their game, beginner or advanced. If you want to get better faster, check out his podcast that I originally listened to and sign up for a consultation. You won’t regret it.

https://www.girlschase.com/coaching/phone/hector

Yours,

W. L.

 

[Oskar]

No offense and kudos to your growth rickpage, but my bullshit sense is tingling: this reads like a fake testimonial to me. Would love it if you could provide some definitive evidence of services rendered, for authentication. Accusations aside, does anyone else consider this post suspicious?

 

[Marcellus]

Nah not really Oskar.

With the socializing arts it's pretty hard to provide an exchange of service or goods at times. The quid pro quo is pretty hard to see, I mean you can't just go and buy a package of 'Sleep with a new very hot girl every week'. Everything is more intangible and in the mind and that's why people like Hector and others who are very good stuff are paid for their services, they can see things that we can't. They know the required steps and they can help shorten your learning curve.

From what I can see the services Hector provided were that he allowed this guy to learn things that would have taken him so much time to learn on his own.
He also taught him how to befriend the cool Alpha guys of his Social circle, and he also laid out perfectly everything that was happening in the OP's interactions.

I can tell you from personal experience that going on a call with Hector will definitely help your game out for the better, but you never know until you experience it for yourself. It's also too bad that we can't order a package of 'Sleeping with new hot girls every week' it would make things sooooo much easier.

-M

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Oskar,

Always been suspicious of testimonials myself, so I understand your skepticism. It's fair that some others probably feel the same way. I could get some of my other clients to post if that helps, but unless it's been going on a while, you probably won't believe it, huh?

I think Kalyan over here has been posting a while, and mentions our coaching a few times, so unless there was a very detailed, sustained bullshit effort, might you find this more credible? He just got two lays in 3 days, one of which was an older woman who I gave him a "quick fix" in behavior for and that changed her tune right up to the smashy part.

I could ask Chase to post screenshots of the two purchases by Villy (my nickname for him, check the initials at the bottom of his post), since why would a guy spend that kind of money on bullshit? But even with the vulnerable data blocked out, I think that would violate privacy terms.

Oh and there's Marcellus, getting my back We did a coaching call a while back. Cheers, man. If only I could literally hand you guys pussy - urgh. But I think that's illegal pretty much everywhere in the world, right?

Hector

 

[rickpage]

I just wanna say I don't know how the conversation usually goes here. But in further detail, I can tell you I was mainly focused on social circle stuff the first period. The reason for that was that I'm what you guys would call "a natural" with girls.

But when you're hanging out with the cool kids, and taking on a role as the top guy(with access to the cutest girls), you better know what's going on. And you better stand up for yourself. That's exactly what he taught me.

After going out two nights a week to private parties or clubs for practice in addition to the coaching, I can tell you I feel vastly different. My social life is better than ever.

As for game, I've learned how to approach when I wanted, and go more directly. That I couldn't have figured out myself.

Hector also taught me how to take advantage of the status I already had in my environment by asking out girls I knew out via texts. I would just tell him the story I'd had with the girl, and he'd tell me how receptive she was gonna be. We would craft texts together. Usually he encouraged me to be bolder. It was very effective.

So, what I'm saying is that if you're serious about your time and progress, signing up is a good idea.

W.L.

 

[Oskar]

Apologies for not being clearer: I don't suspect a conspiracy here. The most likely untruthful version I can't rule out quite yet is that Hector himself wrote this specific post and now he's playing dumb, thinking he can fool us. Sorry Hector, I don't know you well enough to know whether or not you would be above something like that. I hope you would be, but transparency can be difficult in online businesses like this, and there are a lot of posers in this niche in particular -- so I hope you understand my insistence on the importance on verification. On another forum this would be a ridiculous request, but I think here at GC, we should hold ourselves to higher standards.

We should put to practice that old folk wisdom of "trust, but verify". If authenticity is verified, then up goes Hector's quality-assurance and honesty cred, and we can in that way help him attract more students. It's clear to me that Hector should contact Rickpage and work out a way of verification satisfactory to both parties' privacy while providing sufficient evidence to remove suspicion. Otherwise, there's always going to be this question mark.

One simple method could be for Rickpage to forward Chase key documentation of the services tendered between him and Hector while Hector was operating as an agent of GC Inc. -- like contracts, for example -- and then Chase can rubber stamp this thread as authentic or remove it if it is proven to be false.

And future testimonials could be verified in a similar way, as well, if other people so wish them to be verified -- at the very least when they come from a brand new user/account.

 

[rickpage]

Wow, you guys are really serious about this stuff. I guess that's okay since money's involved.

Hector's my friend and when he asked me to speak up about our successes here, I agreed. And sure, I can help out as long as my privacy isn't at risk.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Oskar,

I respect your respectful approach to this. I'll email Chase to see if he can produce a screenshot of the transactions with vital information blacked out (understand that he could refuse for privacy reasons). But I'm sure he'll come into the thread at the least.

As for Villy/Rickpage giving Chase proof of services rendered, you understand that our coaching sessions are done over Skype sessions and we share a Google Document where we document his interactions with girls and people, right?. The first would be impossible to reproduce since we didn't screen-cap and the latter would violate Villy's privacy, so the only thing I see is Chase showing/confirm that Villy has paid for two consecutive coaching packages.

Would you agree that's the only sensible option we have?

Edit: Villy, I'll make sure your privacy is secured.

Hector

 

[Oskar]

I wouldn't say it's the only option, but it would most likely do a good job of verifying the authenticity.

 

[Chase]

ONLY shared here because both client, W.L. ('rickpage'), and coach, Hector, were cool with request from Oskar.

All personally identifying information other than country and email TLD redacted.

(link to full size view)

Normally I would just say "no" to a request like this, since it involves a client transaction. Although it is a weird gray area where it's hard to verify people. So kind of a weird place that puts us in.

(a little dating advice industry history, back in late 2005 I signed up for a bootcamp with theApproach solely because of an incredible review I'd read for them on mASF by a guy named searchlight. The bootcamp was a life-altering experience for me. Sebastian, one of the two instructors, told me years later he'd written the review himself and the client, searchlight, never existed. Said they were trying to compete with RSD, most of whose testimonials saturating mASF at the time were fake and written by instructors. Not sure what the moral of the story is here, that reviews can be faked or that fake reviews work, but whatever it is, Oskar has a point)

Chase

 

[Oskar]

Excellent -- I am almost convinced of Anatman's innocence now. I've reread rickpage's original post, and my suspicions have lessened, reading it with the information now present. In my mind, the only thing still missing is proof that the client account (from Chase's screenshot) and the Rickpage account are the same persons. Otherwise, we still haven't knocked all reasonable doubt out of the park. However, we can easily narrow it to being almost certainly true past a reasonable doubt with one additional document.The Anatman and the Rickpage accounts both claim that Rickpage purchased two consecutive coaching packages.

To quote Anatman:

...so the only thing I see is Chase showing/confirm that Villy has paid for two consecutive coaching packages.

Would you agree that's the only sensible option we have?

And Rickpage:

I signed up for another 3 months with Hector...

***

So far we have evidence of only one transaction.

Therefore, if Chase can provide a redacted copy of the second receipt, and everything is in order there, this case would, at least in my mind, be officially closed, verdict to the defendant.

P.S. Chase: Interesting anecdote. It sounds like in retrospect, you're grateful to your coach Sebastian, even though his false pretense contested with your distaste for dishonesty. You are grateful you went with theApproach instead of RSD, I presume. You think GC stands for more honest seduction (ergo business) practices than past, or other still existing models? I'd love to hear your opinion on what makes this so.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

The email I receive when someone signs up for coaching. Notice the date April 17th, months after the date from Chase's purchase verification. 2nd purchase. Since he was being an asshole, he didn't insert his country. Oh well.

Hector

 

[Byron]

I've had like 5 calls with hector and he's legit, really useful and applicable stuff!
Not 100% sure what the issue is here (didn't read the whole thread) but yeah the calls were incredibly useful.
Byron

 

[Oskar]

Hector,

Thank you for providing evidence of another lesson in April. This continues to fill in the picture. Unfortunately, the identity of rickpage is not confirmed by this screenshot, as the only things coming close to tying this email to rickpage is the date being potentially correct and the alleged Norwegian humor. Perhaps if rickpage had more posts in the forum already, the email could be matched up with his personality portrayed in his forum posts, but in this case, I still hold that Chase providing a screencap of the receipt from rickpage's second purchase is necessary for the removal of reasonable doubt.

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Byron,

While your support of Hector is welcome -- it sounds like his lessons were helpful to you -- the extent of this discussion isn't so far as the legitimacy of Hector as a seduction coach, but simply verification of the author of the testimonial inaugurating this thread, which could be from a throw-away account used for marketing purposes -- a suspicion which Hector respects and understands as justified, and which Chase understands out of personal experience. To quote Hector,

Always been suspicious of testimonials myself, so I understand your skepticism. It's fair that some others probably feel the same way.

I have the same feeling about testimonials as Hector, and also think one of the unique things about GC is that, unlike some other dating forums, if one asks for a demonstration of transparency and legitimacy here, it will actually be provided. Thanks guys!

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Byron,

You're a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you sir Also, should be seeing you soon. Gonna be taking a vacation in the next few months and will probably drop by.

Oskar,

Unfortunately, the email contains his real name, so I could not share that. This is the best I can do at the moment. If Chase passes by again and wants to show the second purchase, that's up to him.

Hector

 

[readjusting]

Hey, I'm another client here.
He's good. I'm on the beginner side, but I did his advice and I came from zero lay to one lay.
Since then I got some dates.
Not exactly significant, but it saves you a lot of time figuring on your own. Also I think he had seen many wacky situations before, so he can see the problems and solutions.
He has a free 10 minutes phone call I think. Maybe you can give it a try, and see for yourself.

 

[Oskar]

The evidence of a second coaching session is extremely important, as it verifies the identity of Rickpage beyond a reasonable doubt. I hope Chase is able to provide this information, so that Anatman is cleared of any wrongdong and potential clients can rest assured that testimonials like the one inaugurating this thread really reflect the services provided, and aren't just made up. I think that's a fair request, and that the necessary evidence -- the screenshot of the second receipt (redacted of personal info -- same as the first) for rickpage -- is also a great way of Girlschase demonstrating (remember how important demonstration is in seduction -- not just talk) the authenticity of their testimonials. If Anatman is to be cleared of wrongdoing, what we need is, to quote Anatman himself:

...so the only thing I see is Chase showing/confirm that Villy has paid for two* consecutive coaching packages.

Would you agree that's the only sensible option we have?

*[Bold, underlining, and italicization added for emphasis]


Yes, Hector, I agree. And I hope Chase also agrees, and that he cares enough to "pass by again", if only to clear you of any wrongdoing, but hopefully more out of a desire to take advantage of this situation to make a good point about demonstrating sincerity/authenticity/honesty/openness/etc. It could be a good topic for one of your guys' articles, too. We`ll see what happens.

 

[Chase]

Before I go to the trouble of screenshotting, redacting, uploading, and posting another receipt for your satisfaction, Oskar: are you asking because you genuinely want to purchase coaching with Hector, and this is the one assurance you need before you take the plunge?

Or is this concern trolling and the truth is you simply dislike and distrust Hector, or me, or you think date coaching is a scam? I notice you've never purchased a cent from this website, at least not under the email address linked to your forum account, despite having had an account here for almost four years.

Pardon me if this seems like I'm questioning your integrity. But, I suppose one good turn deserves another, no?

Chase

 

[Oskar]

I like you guys and I'm not trolling. For one thing I study law at uni, so I naturally am on the look-out for this kind of thing, and for another the first post came from a brand new account and reads odd and formal. And then since then, some posts have been curiously flighty -- with individuals deleting suspicious parts of their posts after publishing, as well as a handful of ego-oriented posts involving misdirection instead of info posts involving progression.

Please don't take this as a personal thing. This has nothing to do with egos, individuals' skills, or even really the integrity of any given individual. My sole concern is proving the authenticity of this specific testimonial, because I thought this specific testimonial sounded fake. It's that simple.

If you reread how I approached this, it should confirm this for you. I didn't want to get into accusations at all, but it eventually became necessary for getting to the bottom of this. And I was actually thinking that this would be great for boosting both your guys' cred, tbh, and think it still can be. Why wouldn't you want to take 5 minutes to comply with a long term supporter's request, if that request, if fulfilled, also makes both you and Hector look more honest, capable, beneficent, and open, as well as improving consumer confidence and being a request both you and Hector describe as understandable and reasonable, about a problem which you have personally had to deal with?

My request remains the same: simple verification on the standards that Hector laid out as "the only sensible option" from earlier in this thread. I'm sorry this inquiry dragged on for so long, but I don't understand why both receipts weren't included the first time around, as that was what was requested as sufficiently verifying the authenticity of the testimonial.

 

[Chase]

Hmm, all right. Not quite sure I get the doggedness here; if we're shady liars then it's easy for us to just make fake receipts to post up here too. Thus you get sort of an infinite rabbit hole of proof: "Sure, you've posted receipts, but how do I know these are real receipts and you didn't just cook them up on your computer?"

Or even if you avoid that rabbit hole, then you risk forming some weird expectation where if someone wants to post a testimonial about something, a moderator has to come on and post his redacted receipt because now people want that too or else they think he's fake.

Anyway, to close this thread out, here is the redacted screenshot of W.L.'s second package purchase:

As we're putting everything under a microscope, to avoid any further nitpicky questions:

• W.L. used PayPal for his initial coaching package and CC for his alumni package, which is why receipts look slightly different

• He also apparently purchased at the same exact hour and minute of the day for both purchases, which I guess means that's a convenient time of day for him to purchase stuff

This is the last receipt we will post here for anything. Partly because I do not want buyers to worry that an admin is going to post a copy of their receipt (even with personal details redacted), and partly because I do not want to get into a habit of any time anyone mentions buying something here we need to show a receipt for it. We have over 6,000 customers, and many of them have written testimonials about one thing or another. It'd be an absolute nightmare if we become the only business on Earth that now has to post receipts anytime someone writes something about us.

That said, should Amazon, Google, Apple, and Microsoft ever start printing copies of customers' receipts next to every testimonial they share, I hereby pledge to thoughtfully reconsider our "no more customer receipts again ever" policy.

Chase