FR 3some Oppurtunity Help Needed!

[Sandman]

I started talking to two girls on okcupid, their profiles said host needed. They are both bi, activists, feminists in an open relationship. I realized later on that they were couples.

One of the girls (let's call her alex) said we should hang out before I asked her. The other said (let's call her Rita) I would love to when I asked. I got her number and we scheduled it for tonight (Tuesday). The other one didn't give me her number but told me we could talk on okcupid or she could give me her facebook (later on I learned she didn't have a phone, she talks to her girlfriend on fb).

I started talking with Alex. We met up. When I touched on her back lightly to lead her on the way to the pub. She told me no to do that. It might be normal for me because I was Turkish (she is Russian) but she didn't like that. I had the same reaction from a Russian HB9 last week lol. I gave her a sceptical look, said alriight, making it seem like she was a weirdo for raising that issue but didn't touch her the same way again.

We met up with Alex because she told me before Rita would not br able to make it (they stay in separate places).I was a bit let down when I read that message because I was looking forward to a 3some. Anyhow, Alex and I went to a pub. The vibe was neutral at first. We talked about her job, the places she had been. She asked me what I thought about the Syrian refugees issue.I told her my honest opinion which is Turkey ofcourse should help them. This is a nice guy view which is not a good side to be even though she is of the same opinion as well but I felt taking a different and more extreme side would be (i) incongrugent to me and (ii) I didn't have many compliance from her so it might have just made her hostile for me.

We also talked about her favorite types of girls, her favorite Hollywood actress stuff like that. She told me then that Rita was coming. I said great. She said she would pick her up and come back. I said no, let's go together. I said this to lead her in a way and I didnt wanna wait there. We weren't finished with our drinks so I told her let's just pay then come back later to finish our drinks. We did so and left.

We met up with Rita. She was warmer to me, when I took her hand and kissed her on the cheek, her kiss was sensual a bit and her hand lingered in mine. She was talking on her computer with the two guys she is staying with (hosts), they wanted to come. Alex told her "yeah! They should come!". I told them it was cool if they wanted to come, we could hang out another time but I was not in the mood for a big group. Alex told me "no stay!". I told her nah, I'll just go. She told Rita okay tell them to come after an hour. She asked me if I'll go right away, I said we'll finish our drinks then I'll go right away. Rita was like I understand (nonverbally). Alex turned to Rita and said let's go to the place we drank.

I could have insisted that the guya don't come. In a let's spend some time together kind of way. But I thought it was too early in the interaction to demand that kind of compliance plus she was already talking to those guys when we came. I could have stayed and tried to make something happen but there would be 2 more guys there and I had no idea what kind of people they would be. They definetely wanna fuck the girls. I didn't know what kind of guys they would be. Either I would have to compete with them or try to win them over and make a kind of orgy happen. The odds weren't good. So opted the other option and take my chances for a second date.

We went there. The vibe was good. I examined Rita's tats. She asked me if I loved my country. Apparently the guys she stayed with told her they hated it because of right wing politics.Then I gave a mini speech about how I chose to see the beauty in the world. It was a good speech lol they were mesmerized. Then I said politics bored me (changing the topic). Alex said "let's talk about beauty then". I turned to Rita and said "we were talking about the kind of girls we liked, what's your favorite hollywood actress look wise?". The vibe was really good at that point it was fun and sexual. Alex was sitting by my side and Rita was across me. She was looking at me somewhat sexually (can't really describe it but it was a sign of interest). We talked a bit and then I finished my drink and said I would go. Alex wanted me to stay again, she persisted a bit but I told her I would be going. There is no doubt I think in their minds that I wanted to fuck them and that was why I was leaving. We scheduled it for Thursday and I took my leave. Alex told me nice watch btw (before when I was examining her watch, complimenting it, she told me it was a gift from her ex) I said it is a gift from my ex (some callback humor and cementing).

When I left them the vibe was really great. I worry that I might have turned them on and got them ready for those guys. It will depend on their game I think.

So should I send hee a "had a great time yesterday" message tomorrow?

I am gonna try to get them in a hostel because I have no place of my own. It will be hard because they are used to living with hosts.

Any comments, any tips? It will be my 3rd threesome if it happens and I just learned my firm is letting me go so I really could use a win

As always, thanks in advance!

 

[Hue]

Yo,

This sounds fun man, I hope you get the double kill.

Does look like they're screening a decent amount with some of these questions. I think you played it off well with not going along with what they wanted and doing what you wanted - but you're totally right in that they could see the promising opportunity of those two guys and trade off dickings (2 is better than 1).

In total, I've fucked up three chances for a threesome.

The first, I got offered by one, then fucked it up when I met the other, but it sounds like you're doing a pretty good job of attracting them both.
The second, I just didn't go for it.
The third, I pushed away with attainability being too low with one of them, then chased as a stupid way to raise attainability. I also texted both girls in different ways and that made me incongruent.


I've talked to my friend about the ordeal, who's been offered a threesome but turned it down because he wants things to stay the way they are with his girlfriend and him.

Basically, he told me that THEY are the ones who must figure it out, and you simply have to recognize when to make your killshot and do so accordingly, with confidence and respect to both of them.



I can't say with 100% certainty on this, but I think it's important that you address the one you felt the strongest connection with, because she will be the one convincing the other to do it.

This whole "Queen" thing that Grand Pooba talks about in his threesome LR may help you, and while I may be stepping out of my bounds in my attempt to describe it, this is my understanding:

Tthe one you have the strongest connection with will be the most certain that you are worthy of the threesome. Similar to attraction to confidence in general, that certainty in and of itself attracts the other partner to assume leadership. At the same time it's compounded with preselection. Assuming the one you have the strongest connection is the social leader/dominant of the two, she takes this queen-like role.

And what does that make you, now as the dominant male that's entered the queen's field of play? The king. The queen, as leader of the two, tells her follower that she herself is down.

So the other partner then follows the social forces of preselection, and the dominance of the queen, accordingly, giving you the chance to build a substantial connection / sexual tension with her.
Then, once logistics are handled, and the sexual tension has been built with your interactions with both of them, things fall into place. The important element here is that once the leader of the two submits, the other submits to her, then you - but that the queen get's the most attention during intercourse and seduction.

... I think.

If these two are a couple, I don't see why that would be vastly different than any heterosexual relationship dominance roles.

If I were you I would text the one you feel the strongest with / the most dominant (and hopefully that's the same one) on Thursday, be your sexy self, build tension, and recognize the kill shot. Once made, the emotional spike to the 3rd party (unless you start one of those tri-make-outs which are pretty fun) should be enough to succeedingly interweb your sexytime.

But then again, I'm 0 for 3. So don't listen to me lol.


Best of luck man,

Hueman

 

[Sandman]

As I understand it Grand Pooba's quuen was his FB. That's a different dynamic I think. My 3somes were with my ex. Then all I had to do was game the 3rd chick while giving them equal attention. Alex is definitely the dominant one (older, more mature). They didn't give off the vibe they were looking for dick at all tho more like lets meet some cool people while we're here if a second date happens I will have to bring my A-game

 

[Grand Pooba]

Very confusing situation.

One thing with threesomes is that you always, always, always HAVE to lead, and don't let the wild cards bug you. I think one reason that the two girls invited the other two guys over to hang with you guys is because they WERE attracted to you and courting you for a threesome, and they wanted to see if you'd be just as Alpha over the other guys, too - if you could out dominate them as well. So it's a tough call in my book whether leaving was the right thing or the wrong thing - basically to play the game with the guys involved or not - but the big question I did have is "why did you leave?" There's a good chance you could have ended up in a three guy two girl orgy setup.

We went there. The vibe was good. I examined Rita's tats. She asked me if I loved my country. Apparently the guys she stayed with told her they hated it because of right wing politics.Then I gave a mini speech about how I chose to see the beauty in the world. It was a good speech lol they were mesmerized. Then I said politics bored me (changing the topic). Alex said "let's talk about beauty then". I turned to Rita and said "we were talking about the kind of girls we liked, what's your favorite hollywood actress look wise?". The vibe was really good at that point it was fun and sexual. Alex was sitting by my side and Rita was across me. She was looking at me somewhat sexually (can't really describe it but it was a sign of interest). We talked a bit and then I finished my drink and said I would go. Alex wanted me to stay again, she persisted a bit but I told her I would be going. There is no doubt I think in their minds that I wanted to fuck them and that was why I was leaving. We scheduled it for Thursday and I took my leave. Alex told me nice watch btw (before when I was examining her watch, complimenting it, she told me it was a gift from her ex) I said it is a gift from my ex (some callback humor and cementing).

Yeah, they were definitely courting you for and interested in a threesome with you. Inviting the other guys may have just been a dominance test of some kind. Who knows. Russian girls are an interesting bunch!

I definitely play more on the "take the opportunity I have now and risk it all" side rather than "wait and play it safe" when it comes to such things.

This whole "Queen" thing that Grand Pooba talks about in his threesome LR may help you, and while I may be stepping out of my bounds in my attempt to describe it, this is my understanding:

Tthe one you have the strongest connection with will be the most certain that you are worthy of the threesome. Similar to attraction to confidence in general, that certainty in and of itself attracts the other partner to assume leadership. At the same time it's compounded with preselection. Assuming the one you have the strongest connection is the social leader/dominant of the two, she takes this queen-like role.

As I understand it Grand Pooba's quuen was his FB. That's a different dynamic I think. My 3somes were with my ex. Then all I had to do was game the 3rd chick while giving them equal attention. Alex is definitely the dominant one (older, more mature). They didn't give off the vibe they were looking for dick at all tho more like lets meet some cool people while we're here if a second date happens I will have to bring my A-game

Queen factor is generally only at play when emotions are involved on the girl's side and she wants to be #1 and wants to be seen as #1. In this case, the Queen girl doesn't want to risk losing her role to a competitor, so you have to play with that in mind. It's more similar to your "I had threesomes with my ex" setup. If it's just hedonistic sex with two new girls and there are no emotions or attachment, then the Queen role is less of a factor - instead, you have to court and be on good terms with the dominant girl between the two - the "leader" of her pack, and you have to sell them on the sex and the experience.

 

[Sandman]

Yeah actually let's see what the night brings attitude might have worked better, but the logistics were definetely not in my favor.

I texted Rita and she hasn't responded so I might have lost my chances. We'll see tomorrow I guess

 

[Grand Pooba]

Yeah actually let's see what the night brings attitude might have worked better, but the logistics were definetely not in my favor.

I texted Rita and she hasn't responded so I might have lost my chances. We'll see tomorrow I guess

It actually doesn't look good on YOU when girls are begging you to stay and you leave anyway (despite bad logistics) because they'll wonder if you were really attracted to them, especially if you transferred your vibes to the other guys. They might think they're being used. Better to stick around even if you lose the threesome. Anything can happen. My read was still "why did you leave?"

Anyway sometimes girls take a while to respond, up to 48 hours, let's see what happens.

 

[TrickyD]

Read up on Secret Society, and don't let either make you her boyfriend.