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mindful

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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anyone ever meet a girl and it just never gets off the ground from the very beginning?

I did a non-traditional meet up with a girl over the weekend where I was visiting a different city. She knew I was visiting so we planned to go biking for a little bit and then grabbed drinks, dinner, and walked around some more. We basically planned to spend the day together, and then depending how it went I was going to try and stay at her place or just go meet up with my friend who I was staying with.

However, from the moment I met her… it was just kind of awkward and weird. Now, I’ve been on a lot of dates, and my fundamentals are pretty solid… not a pro but my success with dating thus far proves that I know what I am doing for the most part.

We meet at the ferry and she is sitting on a bench. I casually walk up to her and greet her. She doesn’t get up off the bench or anything to greet me but just like sits there… lol. I sit down next to her after a moment and then give her a standard hug like I usually do when I meet women on dates.

After that we get up to catch the ferry and this girl isn’t even walking beside me… she is like 5 ft in front of me. She looks back at one point and I’m just sort of smiling to myself at how this girl’s actions are. We eventually get on the ferry and are seated waiting for it to take off. We are sitting side-by-side but she doesn’t really look at me. I begin talking, asking her questions and such, flirting the best I can which does get her smiling and laughing but she still doesn’t really look at me. When she does look at me it’s only for like a brief second.

So a quick recap so far - this girl is pretty standoffish from the very beginning. Her effort into the interaction is pretty minimal and I have to do a lot of heavy lifting to keep the convos going.

When we get to where we are going we walk to get the bikes. We have convo during this as well but it’s more or less the same, we talk but she doesn’t really look at me. When we get the bikes and start riding we are beside each other going at a slow pace. I make conversation as we ride too, ask her about her childhood and some other stuff. After like 20 mins of riding I tell her we should go grab a drink, I really wanted one at that point and also wanted to close the proximity between us.

We go to the bar area which over looks the bed of water. We still on the stools at the bar and order. We talk some more about different topics - dating, life, etc. She looks at me a little more here but it’s still not a lot where you feel like you are in a bubble with someone and they are interested in you.

After a drink we leave and return the bikes and get back on the ferry. I tell her we can go grab food or just end it right here. I told her not to feel obligated to continue hanging out with me and that I can just go meet up with my friend. She says she would like to grab dinner with me so thats what we do.

At dinner we are sitting face-to-face so she looks at me a lot more. Convo gets more interesting but at one point she mentions that “we would make good friends” and also another comment when we were talking about dating how she has never had a ONS. Then she thinks some more and said that she did but it once because she was really physically attracted to him from the start and that the chemistry was there or something. She then asks me how my dates usually go and how they end. I jokingly tell her they usually end with the girl in my bed. She laughs and says something but I can’t remember what. She then talks about only being super physically attracted to like 4 guys in the past 5 years or something. She only mentions this because I tease her about not looking at me much and also not being receptive to my touch. So she says that she doesn't like to touch a guy when she first meets him unless she is super physically attracted to him.

I’m pretty much over this girl at this point. She has already indirectly told me that she basically has no interest in me as a romantic option. I’ve only stayed this long because my friend wasn’t available til later in the evening.

Also, on the date I learn that she was seeing a guy on and off for like a year and a half and that ended. And that she took a break from dating for a bit and has only been on the apps for a month or so. It doesn’t seem to be going well from the dates she’s been on. As we are walking around after dinner we are just talking some more, and she tells me “you just wonder when you’re going to get that feeling for a guy again”. Which again, was another indirect jab at me lol. She also mentions “timing” and how “timing is also very important. I don’t think Im at a place now to have a relationship” or something like that. All the classic lines girls say ya know? lol.

Anyways, we end up parting ways and when I look down at my phone I had some tinder messages from this other girl I was talking to. She wanted to meet up with me that evening for drinks - if only I would have checked my phone 2 hrs earlier…

Writing this was kind of painful honestly, this was one of the worst meet ups i’ve been on lol.

I guess my only question is how can a girl be like this right at the start? Her investment in me was so low. It’s not like I cat-fished her or anything. Even early on in the date, I asked her if I looked like my pics - and she said I did and that it’s hard for a guy not to look like his pics where as a girl can look different because of make-up and such.

I also knew beforehand that she wasn’t “looking for a hookup” but then again, a lot of girls say that so I never even really flinch when this is said.

Is this girl in the minority where she really cares about looks more than other girls and she wasn't into me from the moment she saw me? Because honestly, I never even had a chance, and it's not like im socially awkward or anything.

cheers!
 

lostnumber

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To me, this right here is a case study for why its important to keep things simple on your initial dates. You admitted to planning on spending the entire day together from the get go but you don't even know this girl yet.
Much better just to meet this girl for a drink and keep all this other stuff in your back pocket. You then have the option of pulling the girl right away if you are hitting it off, ditching her if its going poorly, or inviting her on additional activities at your discretion. Also that way you are showing leadership and dominance and SEEMING like an amazing spontaneous guy (even though you had the ferry times memorized and everything planned out beforehand).

This is admittedly much more difficult when you are just traveling through and its an area she is more familiar with than you, but I still think its the standard to aspire to. When you schedule such an elaborate date it leaves you trapped if things go poorly, and can also make pulling difficult if things are going very well. You also really want to be the one taking charge on the date, and here it sounds like things started off on the wrong foot with her leading the way (being there waiting for you before hand and not getting up to greet you, walking onto the ferry first with you trailing behind). I can see where you tried to establish the lead by stopping for drinks after 20, for example, but it might have been too little too late.

Who suggested the date activities? Based on the fact that she was leading you onto the ferry I'm guessing it might have been her. Thats generally a no-no as well.

I wasn't there so I can't comment on what you might have done/said to make things better, or if this really was an unwinnable scenario. But I think there were some fundamental flaws with the date setup that may have contributes to the outcome and also prevented you from cutting your losses early
 

mindful

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Who suggested the date activities? Based on the fact that she was leading you onto the ferry I'm guessing it might have been her. Thats generally a no-no as well.


The only definite thing was riding bikes which we had to take the ferry to do. After that it was fluid. Remember I was visiting, so she played "tourist guide" a little bit but she wasn't suggesting everything for us to do. This isn't a typical date I do either... it's usually just drinks then escalate. And I did give her an out once back from the ferry, but she still wanted to get dinner with me.

I honestly think she just wasn't into me from the moment she saw me which is odd but I guess it can happen.
 

lostnumber

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Yeah, I guess given that context there might not be much you could have done differently. How successful are your Tinder dates generally? If you get laid every single time this is clearly an outlier and not worth dwelling on.

If half the time you don't even get a goodnight kiss it could be that your fundamentals or conversational abilities could use sharpening.

I've been on 50+ Tinder dates and there are definitely girls that are slower to open up than others. I can't say I recall someone being closed off the entire date; usually there is a given level of interest in you by the time they are willing to follow through and actually meet up. You've been preselected and screened after all, its not like you are some random off the street.

Doesn't mean its impossible though. Maybe this girl was the 1/100 weird one, or maybe she was having a bad day. Or maybe your fly was down the whole date and it really threw her off ;)

Regardless, as long as there are more girls in the pipeline its not a big deal
 

mindful

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They go pretty well usually. Most dates with girls 23 and under usually end with sex. I get more varying results with girls 25-29.

but yeah it's more of an outlier so oh well. Yeah maybe my fly was down haha.
 

ProblemSolving

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Hey mindful,

The are 2 possible reasons for this type of behavior from a girl on the first date:

1) She's shy and really likes you, but she doesn't want to say anything to mess things up, so she chooses her words carefully and doesn't say much. These girls can look like they're not at all interested, but if you keep leading, they will follow you right into the bedroom.

2) She wasn't attracted to you. Did you dress or look any different from your pictures? I remember my first date from online. In my pictures, I wore sweaters and was clean cut, but I showed up to the date looking a lot edgier with facial hair and work boots. My date hit the eject button 5 minutes into the date haha. It taught me a valuable lesson: she was attracted to the pictures, so don't change your look when you meet in person. If you're dress preppy in your pics, then dress preppy for the date. If you're dressed like a gym douche in your pics, then dress like a gym douche for the date. If you're dressed like a hipster douche in your pics, then dress like a hipster douche for the date. Since learning that lesson, I have not repeated that experience.

On several occasions, I've hit the eject button very early on during a first date because the girl dressed and did her make up completely different from her pictures. It's borderline catfishing.

The girl in your scenario just didn't have the heart to end things, so she just went with the flow, most likely because it seems like a lot of planning went into this date and ducking out early would look bad on her.
 

mindful

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I've had this happen before a few years ago, and it was case #1 and I ended up bedding the girl.

And no, I don't dress any different from my pics and my pics are current and current with my hairstyle. I wore well-fitted jeans and a nice fitted t-shirt.


The girl in your scenario just didn't have the heart to end things, so she just went with the flow, most likely because it seems like a lot of planning went into this date and ducking out early would look bad on her.

Yep, and remember, I did give her an out to leave... and she still had dinner with me. And then after dinner she suggested we take a walk at this park.

It was obviously #2 for whatever reason, but I still remained pretty calm, cool and collected so she eventually had some comfort being around me which is why I think she still continued to hang out.
 
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